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General Windypops
The Littlest Hobos
En Garde
Posted - 2011.03.14 13:39:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: General Windypops on 14/03/2011 13:39:15
So, if things go the way the polls suggest then the NC / Goon / TAPI partnership have already got 6 of the CSM seats secured. That means at least 2/3rds of the council will be run by a self-serving clique of players with a single political goal.

The majority of the votes have already been cast and the tactical voting manipulated by Mittens and his cronies will be hard to stop, but it's not too late to make a difference.

Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.

Let's stop these buggers stitching up the game for the rest of us, and making it even duller than it already is, shall we? Vote Windy for the Win.



White Tree
Gallente
Broski Federation
Tactical Narcotics Team
Posted - 2011.03.14 15:07:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: White Tree on 14/03/2011 15:07:25
General Windypops literally said this

E man Industries
Posted - 2011.03.14 15:20:00 - [3]
 

what polls?
can we view this?

Bomberlocks
Minmatar
CTRL-Q
Posted - 2011.03.14 15:24:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: White Tree
Edited by: White Tree on 14/03/2011 15:07:25
General Windypops literally said this
lol, posted by wt4csm. Very Happy

Kumi Katana
Caldari
Perkone
Posted - 2011.03.14 15:28:00 - [5]
 

it's a shame people refuse to unite against the goons, all non-goons together and we WILL make a difference. But nothing is lost just yet, even if we only get the last 3 seats we sure will be a menace for them. They simply can not keep ignoring people that do not wish the goons around.Rolling EyesCool

General Windypops
The Littlest Hobos
En Garde
Posted - 2011.03.14 15:31:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: White Tree
Edited by: White Tree on 14/03/2011 15:07:25
General Windypops literally said this


Hi White Tree. Can I ask why you have recently changed your forum settings so that it no longer shows that you're a member of TAPI? Why are you trying to conceal this during the CSM elections?

Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
Posted - 2011.03.14 15:34:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: General Windypops
Originally by: White Tree
Edited by: White Tree on 14/03/2011 15:07:25
General Windypops literally said this


Hi White Tree. Can I ask why you have recently changed your forum settings so that it no longer shows that you're a member of TAPI? Why are you trying to conceal this during the CSM elections?




Yeah, what he said

MUBARAK OUT!
WINDYPOPS INDYPOPS!

White Tree
Gallente
Broski Federation
Tactical Narcotics Team
Posted - 2011.03.14 16:55:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: White Tree on 14/03/2011 16:56:23
Originally by: General Windypops
Originally by: White Tree
Edited by: White Tree on 14/03/2011 15:07:25
General Windypops literally said this


Hi White Tree. Can I ask why you have recently changed your forum settings so that it no longer shows that you're a member of TAPI? Why are you trying to conceal this during the CSM elections?



I didn't change it at all. It always was that way. I actually couldn't figure out how to get it to show. It shows in some forums but not others. No sure why. :downs:

It's not like I'm hiding it. Am I?

You know, what with my name being plastered everywhere.

Originally by: Bomberlocks
Originally by: White Tree
Edited by: White Tree on 14/03/2011 15:07:25
General Windypops literally said this
lol, posted by wt4csm. Very Happy


Still doesn't mean he didn't say it.

Also don't pull me on directly calling out another CSM candidate when G.W. is doing the exact same thing.

General Windypops
The Littlest Hobos
En Garde
Posted - 2011.03.14 21:00:00 - [9]
 

My latest blog from my website. Feel free to comment there.

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About 150 years ago, in France, a political philosopher called Alexis de Tocqueville muttered darkly that “in every democracy, the people get the government that they deserve”. Well he presumably said it in French. But actually, that grumpy old cheese-eating surrender monkey was right. The governments we elect are a very accurate reflection of what we ourselves represent.

Ok, so the CSM's not a government, but it is the elected representative body of the universe of Eve players. As things stand, with only a few days to go, it looks certain that the NC/Goon block will succeed with their mission to seize control of your CSM. Early polls and surveys suggest that they will certainly secure 6 out of the 9 seats, through a combination of block and tactical voting. That's 2/3rds of all seats. The reality is that they'll take more.

And do you know what, it probably is the “government” we deserve. It seems likely that the CSM will now become a simple parallel of what's happened politically within Eve. We're always told that Eve is a sandbox. True, but if someone takes a great big **** in a sandbox then all the sand sticks to it, and that's the way we're headed.

If we allow the CSM to become a mirror for the political stagnation of the game itself then here's what we can expect.

1.Pitiful lack of political diversity:
They talk together constantly in game, plan operations together and share a single political and economic vision for our game. While 6 (or more?) of them will sit there smugly at the CSM table they'll bring with them just one agenda. They'll carry a majority without independent candidates voices even being heard. Motion passed, back slaps all round. Let's go to the pub.

2.Dearth of genuine debate and disagreement: But it's not just that the agenda of the CSM will become massively skewed towards one alliances interests. Sure – Mittens hopes that by bringing 9 people with the same view of the game to the table will put the CSM in a stronger, more combative position to negotiate with CCP. But it will also mean the death of any meaningful debate, discussion and disagreement between CSM members. We'll lose the richness, finesse and careful consideration that comes from having multiple voices heard at the table.

3. Huge increase in the potential for exploitation: What's particularly sinister and calculating about the NC / Goon takeover is that the candidates put forward have been from alliance leadership. This has several consequences. Firstly it means that we will be represented by people who are already spending huge amounts of their game time organising their own members, with less time to focus on the CSM. More worrying, though, is what it means for the NDA (Non disclosure agreement) that members of the CSM have to sign to ensure they don't gain in-game advantage from their privileged access to information. However the NC / Goon alliance leaders from the CSM can freely plan and plot to make sure their alliances are perfectly placed to benefit from coming game changes without even breaking the NDA.

4. A big 'two fingers' message for the wider playerbase: A homogeneous CSM made up almost entirely of carbon-copy 0.0 alliance leaders sends a very clear message to the Eve universe. “You don't matter”. It's bad enough that the blob mentality has largely destroyed dynamic, fast paced PVP in Eve. You've not got to blob the CSM to get your voice heard. Whilst 0.0 alliances may thing they're the be-all-and-end-all of Eve the simple fact is that they're not. There's as much excitement, intrigue, innovation and colour taking place throughout low sec and empire. It's a huge world out there – with thousands and thousands of mercenaries, traders, industrialists going about their business every day. Sadly, though, their voice will not be heard.

FinnAgain Zero
Roving Guns Inc.
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2011.03.14 21:03:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: White Tree
Edited by: White Tree on 14/03/2011 15:07:25
General Windypops literally said this


****ing win.

General Windypops
The Littlest Hobos
En Garde
Posted - 2011.03.14 21:03:00 - [11]
 

5. An inexperienced CSM: Planetary interaction. Role playing. Empire warfare. Industry. New player experience. Small corp management. Contract warfare. Mission running. FW. Every single one of these aspects of Eve life have passionate, enthusiastic, knowledgeable players. Every singe one of these aspects of Eve a complicated, nuanced, and highly specialised. By electing a CSM comprised entirely of 0.0 warmongers we lose all of this experience and diversity.


I don't care if you don't vote for me. There are candidates available that can stand up against the NC and Goons more eloquently than I can. Opponents will accuse me of being 'mad' about the NC / Goonswarm campaign to take over the CSM. Do you know what? They're right. I am bloody mad about it. We do get the government we deserve, and my political activism means I'm probably partly to blame for the 'us and them' mentality that led to blob warfare. Some of us may deserve that fate, but there a thousands of Eve players that neither want that fate nor deserve it.

Make a difference in CSM 6 - Vote Now.


lisa herrick
Posted - 2011.03.15 00:36:00 - [12]
 

WINNING !

+1 intorwebs

i dont care that i live in 0.0, only a candidate who is this honest and open can be voted for imho.

go windy !

White Tree
Gallente
Broski Federation
Tactical Narcotics Team
Posted - 2011.03.15 02:55:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: lisa herrick
i dont care that i live in 0.0, only a candidate who is this honest and open can be voted for imho.


No deception is being woven before you and no one is being dishonest and closed with you with regards to their intentions. An artificial champion of your salvation has been created and you have chosen to side with it against a phantom threat. General Windypops' call to arms against the NC has been born out of a personal disagreement with Goonswarm and TEST who have spent the last year laughing at him, Kalle Demos and Snot Shot on CAOD. Their wild horror stories about the dreaded Northern Coalition are routinely fictitious as are their Nostradamus-like predictions about events which never unfold. These sorts of acts of unabashed lunacy are well documented in the forums archives, and are readily available for viewing. And history repeats itself with a fair number of General Windypops CSM platforms being outright lies.

LondDanger
Posted - 2011.03.15 19:42:00 - [14]
 

We should have limits on the number of CSMs allowed from each alliance block, just like there are limits on the number of representatives from each geographic region for real countries.

We need more CSMs like General Windypops to help balance the CSM council, or least slow down the takeover by a faction of Eve that does not represent everyone.

Admiral Feelgood
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.15 21:00:00 - [15]
 

I agree, in fact I don't think we should vote at all. What CCP needs to do is just go around polling you and your friends to see who should be on the CSM. Who needs elected representatives when General Windypops and LordDanger can give us selected ones. I am an Admiral so I figure that makes me just about as good as a Lord or a General so I should have a say in these things too. Well anyway just my .02 isk !!

lisa herrick
Posted - 2011.03.17 00:04:00 - [16]
 

i have just finished reading this:

http://windyforthewin.wordpress.com/null

it makes a lot of sense - much simpler than most other threadnoughts and it actually doesnt make promises about the 'game' (that lets face it, other have made and will not be able to impact). what it clearly states is that windy will stay honest and true and represent the playerbase.

he will be a voice amongst the clouds that threaten to engulf the CSM.

a vote for windypoop is a vote for sanity. let windy guide 'your' torpedoes of truth

Pirokobo
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.17 00:33:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: General Windypops
Edited by: General Windypops on 14/03/2011 13:39:15
So, if things go the way the polls suggest then the NC / Goon / TAPI partnership have already got 6 of the CSM seats secured. That means at least 2/3rds of the council will be run by a self-serving clique of players with a single political goal.



Indulge us, what is that goal?

Tehg Rhind
Posted - 2011.03.17 01:09:00 - [18]
 

Edited by: Tehg Rhind on 17/03/2011 01:10:44
Originally by: General Windypops
Originally by: White Tree
Edited by: White Tree on 14/03/2011 15:07:25
General Windypops literally said this


Hi White Tree. Can I ask why you have recently changed your forum settings so that it no longer shows that you're a member of TAPI? Why are you trying to conceal this during the CSM elections?



Yeah, honestly I hate dishonest/unethical practices. Like I don't know, spamming CSM forum with barely disguised 'vote for me' threads. How many is it now?

Enriana Shlirapen
Posted - 2011.03.17 01:42:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: General Windypops
Edited by: General Windypops on 14/03/2011 13:39:15
So, if things go the way the polls suggest then the NC / Goon / TAPI partnership have already got 6 of the CSM seats secured. That means at least 2/3rds of the council will be run by a self-serving clique of players with a single political goal.

The majority of the votes have already been cast and the tactical voting manipulated by Mittens and his cronies will be hard to stop, but it's not too late to make a difference.

Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.

Let's stop these buggers stitching up the game for the rest of us, and making it even duller than it already is, shall we? Vote Windy for the Win.





You really are a ****ing moron :(

Kayl Breinhar
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.17 02:07:00 - [20]
 

"Vote for me! God knows I post enough so I've got at least some recognition. In regards to my *plans* though, I think glaring meanly at Mittens & Co. the entire time and calling every idea they have stupid merely to be an obstructionist just about covers it. Oh the free trip to Iceland would be p cool as well k thx bye vote4me plz I drive a turbo diesel estate sportscar."

lisa herrick
Posted - 2011.03.17 09:26:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Kayl Breinhar
"Vote for me! words......."


sorry, i have a short attention span. tbh i would have but you asked just a little too late - maybe next year.

Originally by: Enriana Shli****n

Originally by: General Windypops

blah...


You really are a ****ing moron :(


whilst i appreciate your political viewpoint is an entitlement you hold dear, i find your debate somewhat lacking. thank god windyplop has at least out-sentenced you.

Originally by: Tehg Rhind
Edited by: Tehg Rhind on 17/03/2011 01:10:44
Originally by: General Windypops
Originally by: White Tree
Edited by: White Tree on 14/03/2011 15:07:25
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Yeah, honestly I hate dishonest/unethical practices. Like I don't know, spamming CSM forum with barely disguised 'vote for me' threads. How many is it now?


indeed, nothing at all like overinflating posts to 12, 15 or even 19 pages for that very reason huh?

General Windypops
The Littlest Hobos
En Garde
Posted - 2011.03.21 20:48:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Kayl Breinhar
"Vote for me! GOh the free trip to Iceland would be p cool as well k thx bye vote4me plz I drive a turbo diesel estate sportscar."


Actually it's a turbo diesel touring sportscar. Even faster than my turbo diesel hothatch.

lisa herrick
Posted - 2011.03.22 03:35:00 - [23]
 

i will be travelling interstate when the campaign ends.

good luck to all candidates, it has been fun, fun, fun all the way.

especially good luck to Windy, his goon made campaign speech will contnue to haunt my children's sleep long after he has won.

DurrHurrDurr
Posted - 2011.03.22 17:51:00 - [24]
 

My God, Windypops is doing so well at trolling this CSM election cycle.

I love it so much.

Janos Saal
Amarr
Posted - 2011.03.22 18:44:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: General Windypops
Edited by: General Windypops on 14/03/2011 13:39:15
So, if things go the way the polls suggest then the NC / Goon / TAPI partnership have already got 6 of the CSM seats secured. That means at least 2/3rds of the council will be run by a self-serving clique of players with a single political goal.


Cool, maybe this CSM term will actually be interesting.

Awesome Possum
Original Sin.
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
Posted - 2011.03.22 19:00:00 - [26]
 

i still ♥ goons, would have voted for goons, but know a cool dude running so voted for him instead.

ModeratedToSilence
Posted - 2011.03.24 07:21:00 - [27]
 

Is windy about to start crying cause other than in eve-o forums no one likes him, cares about him, or even knows of him?

lisa herrick
Posted - 2011.03.24 12:01:00 - [28]
 

i would hope so.

but knowing windy as well as i do, i guess he is grabbing another beer and PHL at you lot posting here :)

Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.24 14:30:00 - [29]
 

voting is over windy you can stop altposting

Goddess Ishtar
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.26 16:14:00 - [30]
 

Dear General Windypops,

Sorry nobody voted for you.

The Greater Eve Community


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