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Moscow Blue
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.15 23:48:00 - [91]
 

mlyp?

EnderCapitalG
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.15 23:52:00 - [92]
 

mlmp :(

Lord Zim
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.15 23:53:00 - [93]
 

Originally by: Kalle Demos
always good to see JC putting others in their place

Interesting interpretation.

Lord Zim
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.15 23:54:00 - [94]
 

Edited by: Lord Zim on 15/03/2011 23:54:47
I can only assume the "place" (and position) is reverse cowgirl inside the space-pods.

Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2011.03.16 00:01:00 - [95]
 


take off the cool-aid shades daddy-o ...


FinnAgain Zero
Roving Guns Inc.
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2011.03.16 00:13:00 - [96]
 

Originally by: Kalle Demos
you have branded everyone that isnt in NC as a troll.


This trolling tactic is not really so smart, but it is predictable. Lying in order to troll, and then hopping up on the cross and complain about being accused of trolling, is blah. You are, naturally, lying that I've called every (or even most, for that matter) non-NC people as trolls. You're using that lie to troll.

That is why, naturally, I've pointed out that you're a troll. Not because you're not in the NC.

Originally by: Kalle Demos
always good to see JC putting others in their place


You mean that he's an obvious troll making absurd broad-brush accusations about people based merely on the alliances they're in while trolling about an argument that he's advanced dishonestly only to troll people, that he has no intention, at all, of backing up... since it's only a troll? I can understand your opinion, but I don' think "being trolled by Jade" is really anybody's place.

Oh, and speaking of how Jade is trolling and will not (because he can not) present an argument honestly, yet again as he's repeatedly been ignoring:

Quote:
Anyways, let me point out some of your fallacies to you, yes? There are a few, so I'm not going in any particular order.

1. Fallacy of Begging the Question: You have made an assumption about why things are the way they are in the game, provided no actual proof, and then demanded that someone else 'admit' that your conjecture is gospel truth.

2. ****Hoc Ergo Propter Hoc and Post Hoc Ergo Propter Hoc: You have used, as the foundation for your assumption, the sequence or co-incidence of certain events, but provided absolutely no proof of a causal relationship. This is similar to the "When they removed school prayer from schools, society went to hell" and "the rise of rap music has mirrored the rise of inner city crime" arguments.

3. Fallacy of Bifurcation. You have crafted a situation where, rather than multiple competing influences both internal and external to CCP, there is only one possibility and the only valid ways to interact with you on the topic are to "admit" that you are completely correct, or be a dishonest nogoodnik.

4. Fallacy of Ignoring Conflicting Evidence: CCP has made changes to the end-game alliance-level content. Some of it, like Dominion, had the express purpose of aiding smaller (e.g. non-Goon) alliances. It not only failed spectacularly, but ushered in an age of megalag that dwarfed the state of play during Apocrypha and is still wildly unpopular. This suggests a reason why CCP might be less than eager to engage in similar changes without over-thinking. Likewise, CCP attempted to end the Dysprosium bottleneck. We saw how well that worked. Again, this suggests why CCP may be less than enthusiastic about making certain changes, or may take too much time. Additionally, the fact that they are working on multiple other projects, including porting WoD's engine to EVE, points to a resource sink. To say nothing of the fact that reworking sov and/or fixing the UI are massive projects and CCP may believe it's a better business decision to alter other facets of the game.

I think the reason you can't address the fallacies in your argument is pretty clear, as is the reason why you're responding with "No, u r dum!"
But surprise me, actually address the substance of your logical failures rather than furiously trying to handwave them away and babbling about dungeons and dragons.


Everybody reading along knows full well why Jade can not answer such reasonable and clear criticisms of his argument, and has to respond with ad hominem trolling.

Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2011.03.16 00:16:00 - [97]
 


whatever is going on seems to have seriously dislodged your cool anyways.

Revan Neferis
Amarr
Propaganda Due
Posted - 2011.03.16 00:19:00 - [98]
 

It seems like csm discussions do bring the worst in some people.
Dissapointing, as always.

Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2011.03.16 00:20:00 - [99]
 


that they do, they always do.

Lord Zim
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.16 00:22:00 - [100]
 

You know Jade has lost when his post isn't even scrolling the page.

FinnAgain Zero
Roving Guns Inc.
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2011.03.16 00:22:00 - [101]
 

Edited by: FinnAgain Zero on 16/03/2011 00:22:59
Jade, speaking of how you're trolling because you're trying to annoy Goons and anybody who gets in the way of your weird obsession with them:

Quote:
Anyways, let me point out some of your fallacies to you, yes? There are a few, so I'm not going in any particular order.

1. Fallacy of Begging the Question: You have made an assumption about why things are the way they are in the game, provided no actual proof, and then demanded that someone else 'admit' that your conjecture is gospel truth.

2. ****Hoc Ergo Propter Hoc and Post Hoc Ergo Propter Hoc: You have used, as the foundation for your assumption, the sequence or co-incidence of certain events, but provided absolutely no proof of a causal relationship. This is similar to the "When they removed school prayer from schools, society went to hell" and "the rise of rap music has mirrored the rise of inner city crime" arguments.

3. Fallacy of Bifurcation. You have crafted a situation where, rather than multiple competing influences both internal and external to CCP, there is only one possibility and the only valid ways to interact with you on the topic are to "admit" that you are completely correct, or be a dishonest nogoodnik.

4. Fallacy of Ignoring Conflicting Evidence: CCP has made changes to the end-game alliance-level content. Some of it, like Dominion, had the express purpose of aiding smaller (e.g. non-Goon) alliances. It not only failed spectacularly, but ushered in an age of megalag that dwarfed the state of play during Apocrypha and is still wildly unpopular. This suggests a reason why CCP might be less than eager to engage in similar changes without over-thinking. Likewise, CCP attempted to end the Dysprosium bottleneck. We saw how well that worked. Again, this suggests why CCP may be less than enthusiastic about making certain changes, or may take too much time. Additionally, the fact that they are working on multiple other projects, including porting WoD's engine to EVE, points to a resource sink. To say nothing of the fact that reworking sov and/or fixing the UI are massive projects and CCP may believe it's a better business decision to alter other facets of the game.

I think the reason you can't address the fallacies in your argument is pretty clear, as is the reason why you're responding with "No, u r dum!"
But surprise me, actually address the substance of your logical failures rather than furiously trying to handwave them away and babbling about dungeons and dragons.


It's okay, pretty much anybody whose neurons are on speaking terms knows exactly why you won't answer such simple, straight forward challenges of your "argument", and what it means that your argument was neither made nor is being defended honestly. Politics doesn't "bring the worst out in people", only, it seems, in folks who can't support their opinions honestly and would rather troll.

So yet again, you feel like stopping trolling?

Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2011.03.16 00:32:00 - [102]
 

Edited by: Jade Constantine on 16/03/2011 00:32:50

I hardly think sidestepping the nonsensical doublespeak of your tenuous grasp of junior rhetoric counts as anything other than a completely understandable reaction to a somewhat frantic street-corner frother trying desperately to make eye contact at this point.



EnderCapitalG
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.16 00:39:00 - [103]
 

z

Lord Zim
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.16 00:42:00 - [104]
 

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Prometheus Exenthal
Genos Occidere
Posted - 2011.03.16 00:57:00 - [105]
 

Sorry I don't enjoy getting blobbed?
Gloaters gonna gloat, blobbers gonna blob Razz

Seriously though; for every person who may agree with that generalization, there are many times more who will stand for the exact opposite.
I've always been someone to converse, discuss, and shoot the **** with. I'm often helpful and typically quite friendly.
I'm routinely messaged by players (be them fans/enemies/voters) with whom we randomly discuss whatever and part with a wave.

As for the gloating? In my experience, egging people often results in their performance being hampered and piloting mistakes are taking advantage of.
Meta-gaming tip, free of charge.

As for the rage? Yep, I get ****ed when a challenging fight gets **** on because someone felt 20-1 were fair odds Rolling Eyes

EnderCapitalG
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.16 01:12:00 - [106]
 

You broke my z0r chain to rage that people don't fight one vee one pee vee pee e-hounoure dualz?

Seriously?

FinnAgain Zero
Roving Guns Inc.
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2011.03.16 01:22:00 - [107]
 

Edited by: FinnAgain Zero on 16/03/2011 03:17:57
Edited by: FinnAgain Zero on 16/03/2011 01:26:00
Originally by: Jade Constantine
nonsensical doublespeak


More ad hominem trolling rather than responding to clear and concise logical criticisms? How surprising!

So do you honestly not understand what logical fallacies are, or are you trolling some more? (Do I ever need to ask?) Naturally, if you weren't trolling, it would be trivially easy to show how I was wrong. Ya know, just like I did for your fallacy-riven trolling argument?

Again, the reason why you can't respond is clear, I'll just point out again that you're trolling now and you were trolling when you advanced your arugment since you never had any intent in defending it. The logical and factual challenges to your trolling, by the way, are:

Quote:
Anyways, let me point out some of your fallacies to you, yes? There are a few, so I'm not going in any particular order.

1. Fallacy of Begging the Question: You have made an assumption about why things are the way they are in the game, provided no actual proof, and then demanded that someone else 'admit' that your conjecture is gospel truth.

2. ****Hoc Ergo Propter Hoc and Post Hoc Ergo Propter Hoc: You have used, as the foundation for your assumption, the sequence or co-incidence of certain events, but provided absolutely no proof of a causal relationship. This is similar to the "When they removed school prayer from schools, society went to hell" and "the rise of rap music has mirrored the rise of inner city crime" arguments.

3. Fallacy of Bifurcation. You have crafted a situation where, rather than multiple competing influences both internal and external to CCP, there is only one possibility and the only valid ways to interact with you on the topic are to "admit" that you are completely correct, or be a dishonest nogoodnik.

4. Fallacy of Ignoring Conflicting Evidence: CCP has made changes to the end-game alliance-level content. Some of it, like Dominion, had the express purpose of aiding smaller (e.g. non-Goon) alliances. It not only failed spectacularly, but ushered in an age of megalag that dwarfed the state of play during Apocrypha and is still wildly unpopular. This suggests a reason why CCP might be less than eager to engage in similar changes without over-thinking. Likewise, CCP attempted to end the Dysprosium bottleneck. We saw how well that worked. Again, this suggests why CCP may be less than enthusiastic about making certain changes, or may take too much time. Additionally, the fact that they are working on multiple other projects, including porting WoD's engine to EVE, points to a resource sink. To say nothing of the fact that reworking sov and/or fixing the UI are massive projects and CCP may believe it's a better business decision to alter other facets of the game.

I think the reason you can't address the fallacies in your argument is pretty clear, as is the reason why you're responding with "No, u r dum!"
But surprise me, actually address the substance of your logical failures rather than furiously trying to handwave them away and babbling about dungeons and dragons.


It's okay Jade.
Anybody reading along, who has a functional brain at least, knows why you're unable to answer the very simple challenges put to you.
P.S. the person who is more like a "street corner frother", do you think that's A) the person making a logical argument and asking someone to respond to it, B) or the person continually freaking out with ad hominem trolling? Which is more like a street-corner raving preacher, someone who says A) evolution is a fact because of... or B) your cool is seriously dislodged! You're frothing! You think you're slaying dragons!!! You're like an organ grinder's monkey! It's not an ad hominem fallacy if I use it on you!! It's quite the modern tragedy!

(Hint: it's B)

Time Funnel
Posted - 2011.03.16 02:58:00 - [108]
 

Originally by: Jade Constantine
Edited by: Jade Constantine on 16/03/2011 00:32:50

I hardly think sidestepping the nonsensical doublespeak of your tenuous grasp of junior rhetoric counts as anything other than a completely understandable reaction to a somewhat frantic street-corner frother trying desperately to make eye contact at this point.





Why do you refuse to entertain anti-Goon and anti-NC ideals. You are obviously an alt of one of those corporations.

Time Funnel
Posted - 2011.03.16 03:02:00 - [109]
 

Edited by: Time Funnel on 16/03/2011 03:06:00
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Edited by: Jade Constantine on 16/03/2011 00:32:50

I hardly think sidestepping the nonsensical doublespeak of your tenuous grasp of junior rhetoric counts as anything other than a completely understandable reaction to a somewhat frantic street-corner frother trying desperately to make eye contact at this point.





When I feel I have lost an argument, my words get longer to make myself look like an intellectual superior.

Edit: I know you are, but what am I?

Edit: Edit.

FinnAgain Zero
Roving Guns Inc.
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2011.03.16 03:19:00 - [110]
 

Jade can totally show that the cogent, specific, explicit and well reasoned claims of fallacious logic in his argument are false, and he totally will do that and hey look over there!!!

Psilocin
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.17 07:43:00 - [111]
 

He's literally the Glenn Beck of eve-o.

HEY LET ME ANSWER YOUR QUESTION WITH ANOTHER QUESTION THAT'S GOT NOTHING TO DO WITH THE SUBJECT. NOBAMA LOL

Myra2007
Millstone Industries
Posted - 2011.03.17 16:39:00 - [112]
 

OP: CSM doesn't "lead" ****. You're not voting for a ****ing government. Case closed.

Rgarcia
Posted - 2011.03.17 18:54:00 - [113]
 

There is a saying "When you throw a rock into a pack of dogs, the one that got hit is the one that yelps". I see lots of yelping lol. Good job Jade :) Good points too.

Time Funnel
Posted - 2011.03.17 19:51:00 - [114]
 

Originally by: Rgarcia
There is a saying "When you throw a rock into a pack of dogs, the one that got hit is the one that yelps". I see lots of yelping lol. Good job Jade :) Good points too.


Jade alt spotted.

The PitBoss
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers
The 0rphanage
Posted - 2011.03.17 20:26:00 - [115]
 

I <3 Jade


General Windypops
The Littlest Hobos
En Garde
Posted - 2011.03.17 20:58:00 - [116]
 

You know I GENUINELY thought the human race had evolved beyond the point at which it was possible to be trolled by Jade Constantine, but I guess that dude who runs Eve Tribune proved me wrong.

Incredible work Jade - you've still got it, babe.


Wombat942
0perational Security
Posted - 2011.03.18 13:23:00 - [117]
 

I dont get why vile rat and jade are arguing so much. Why dont you just shut up jade and let the man talk about how he thinks he could improve Eve Online instead of you ruining his thread?

Are you just mad that you aren't on the CSM this time around? No one needs your giant massive posts.

Damarn Price
Posted - 2011.03.18 23:08:00 - [118]
 

Eve actually needs a bank. And we actually need a way to transfer money clear across the eve universe to another player. That broken trust sets us all back a few years in being able to use any bank that anyone sets up. And that said, Krutoj, that xDeathx Squadron legion of xXDEATHXx looks kinda suspect to be talking about starting a bankVery Happy. I don't mean any dis-respect, I'm just saying. . .maybe a little thought should be given to what others may see in a name, even. But if you're serious, I can use a bank, . . . that can be trusted. But the point is why would we send a message forward like thievery is ok, when it hurts us so bad when it is blatantly done in game like that. Thanks for the info, he won't get my vote. Vote for Issler Dainze, she's a good person. For real.

Originally by: Krutoj
Originally by: The Mittani
i had no idea who manalapan was but now that i do that's pretty chill, hi5 duder


Strange, am surprised you didnt. I knew about it, was pretty big and I think made it on IC news as well as forums.

Anyway, one thing is to scam on a personal level, but scamming a lot of people who trusted a bank, kinda sad. I am trying to start a PLEX BANK, once I have enough ISK and maybe get Chribba and other rich guys onboard, but getting people to trust in that since that scam, is tough :(


FinnAgain Zero
Roving Guns Inc.
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2011.03.19 00:24:00 - [119]
 

Originally by: Rgarcia
There is a saying "When you throw a rock into a pack of dogs, the one that got hit is the one that yelps". I see lots of yelping lol.


There's also a saying "When you accuse people of something that isn't true, they'll often point out your errors."

Funny how that works, yes?

Zelda Wei
Caldari
New Horizon Trade Exchange
Posted - 2011.06.01 19:02:00 - [120]
 


The truth gets out in the endExclamation


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