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Not Kalle Demos
Amarr
Hedion University
Posted - 2011.03.11 16:19:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Not Kalle Demos on 11/03/2011 19:32:55
Hi everybody, its me Dr ****!

I have been busy in RL and I have noticed the more I focus on RL the more NC is easier to laugh at, taking the game way too seriously to a point where they have to control all CSM seats directly or indirectly, just for some security :/.

Thanks to Dierdra Vaal, the vote match is on, this isnt the first time the vote match has been used and I would love for you guys to see the one from last year, the reason is simply to show who is sincere and who isnt, for example last year Vuk Lau (queen of NC) was against number warfare and blobbing to the point where it was a priority however all through his term(s) he made sure numbers ALWAYS had the upper hand.

I was surprised Mittani didnt do the same thing of being insincere yet has done the error of making it once again obvious what his agenda is and in short it is "CCP hold NCs hand make us evade PvP make the broken mechanics stay, supercaps for all!". By now though he has already gotten all his flying monkeys to vote for him, so you can almost guarantee he will be in, if he isnt then I guess his coalition thinks he is a joke much like rest of EvE.

I like the vote match, it gives a clear idea of who is talking **** and who has contradicted themselves, NC should really read what they say, alot of the stuff they are against on the vote match is what they said they will improve :/

I did also notice Trebor Deahdoow have the same opinions of EVE now that he did a year ago, what people need to understand is the CSM need to have a balance, if everyone from NC are in EVE will just become pro-pve. Voting for Trebot isnít a bad thing, he has some really good ideas and having him as CSM creates that much balance we need which will be missing if only NC are there.

Most my votes went to Prom / Peter Power, reasons for this is because there has to be a balance, it would be nice to see someone focused on API and third party tools to get in as lets face it third party tools make your EVE life easier.

Degrading people who are not 100% 0.0 focused is really stupid, people that focus on each area should work in a team, whether they like it or not hisec is important and changes in highsec need to be made as well as lowsec and 0.0.

TLDR: If you voted for Mittani then you really are an idiot, according to the Vote Match, his priorities ARE keeping everything the same, buffing number warfare aka NC and the key areas he wishes to work on is "changing the UI, buffing macro mining and making it harder to claim space" OMFG, at least Vile Rat put an effort into his priorities

As for me, RL is getting really fun and sadly I donít have enough time to play alternative reality online, but good luck to all the people who want to help improve EVE, though I doubt in a year from now things will be different sadly by then there will be an estimated total of 10000+ supercarriers and unless there is a change NOW 500+ supercarriers will get pooped out monthly (bearing in mind theres approx. 4000+ supercarriers in 0.0 as we speak!

EDIT: Oh noes I used a ? instead of a !, so glad I changed it before the internet police noticed.

Draco Llasa
Thundercats
Posted - 2011.03.11 16:55:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: Draco Llasa on 11/03/2011 17:00:01
While I wonít deny that other NC based representatives are running solely to protect their 0.0 interests, some have clearly admitted so.

I want to confirm that I am not one of them.

While 0.0 and NC are a very important part of my eve life, I do care about the whole universe of people. From the high sec carebears to the 0.0 pvpers.
My campaign calls out specific areas of focus where I want to address low sec, and reduce blob warfare. I want to support the community and CCP in addressing concerns in all areas of the game.

Now letís address the 500 Lbs gorilla, most 0.0 reps, and many NC reps are here to stop the nerfing of jump bridges and titan bridges.

The joke of it is that so many people think axing titan bridges and jump bridges will prevent blobs and limit range.. They will not.. I donít care what anyone says.. With or without these things, fleets will still move around, and NC allies will still move to protect one another. It will just be slower.

So thatís what you want right? Limit range.. Think about it, range is not the issue. I have been in ops where we spent an hour getting to destination to help allies. Without JBs or Titan bridges we will just lag out 3 times as many systems in the process but the large fleet will still get there.. You have not prevented anything but upset players. Which I might add will not stop them from going after good fights.

So itís about speed? How is slowness a promoter of good pvp. The aggressor would then have the ability to move in attack and leave with less fear of counter attack cause they canít get there fast enough. You think thatís good game mechanics? Maybe it is, in some casesÖ

The real point is we have to find ways, through game mechanics to reduce the effectiveness of blob warfare. Find reasons to use varying ship types and split fleets up so there are multiple things that have to be done by multiple fleets.

Large alliances and coalitions will ALWAYS have the ability to send 1500 people into single system, to blot out the sun with our drones. No amount of mobility nerfing will stop that. At the end of the day large groups like NC, Deklien coalition, and Droneland Russians will project there forces if and as needed.

Lets focus on reducing the need or effectiveness of blobs, not nerf the ability.

Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.11 17:04:00 - [3]
 

look it thinks its people

Not Kalle Demos
Amarr
Hedion University
Posted - 2011.03.11 17:41:00 - [4]
 

On the vote match what I found funny was NC saying yes to moving lvl 4s to low sec "because there is no risk" yet promoted blobbing and number warfare to the point where NC say "This is our sandbox if we want to feel secure by NAPing everyone then so be it".

I laugh at people doing lvl 4s or even lvl 5s when it is so much easier AND safer doing sanctums in the North, most people have an alt in a NC alliance to rat, TEST, Stella Polaris, WI and Mostly Harmless made this really easy and anyone can confirm how easy it is todo sanctums without ANY problems.

TLDR: NC, you talk about no risk / reward yet your actions and 'way of playing' is no different than lvl 4 mission runners, risk / reward should go both ways, there should be a risk involved in NAPing 50k people.

Draco Llasa
Thundercats
Posted - 2011.03.11 17:56:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Not Kalle Demos
On the vote match what I found funny was NC saying yes to moving lvl 4s to low sec "because there is no risk" yet promoted blobbing and number warfare to the point where NC say "This is our sandbox if we want to feel secure by NAPing everyone then so be it".

Don't generalize, i did not support moving all level 4's to low sec, nor do i promote blobbing mechanics, i just put a whole post about that above yours...

In fact, i have clearly stated that the risk/reward balance is low sec is a mess.. one of them has to be adjusted..

Not Kalle Demos
Amarr
Hedion University
Posted - 2011.03.11 18:10:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Draco Llasa
Originally by: Not Kalle Demos
On the vote match what I found funny was NC saying yes to moving lvl 4s to low sec "because there is no risk" yet promoted blobbing and number warfare to the point where NC say "This is our sandbox if we want to feel secure by NAPing everyone then so be it".

Don't generalize, i did not support moving all level 4's to low sec, nor do i promote blobbing mechanics, i just put a whole post about that above yours...

In fact, i have clearly stated that the risk/reward balance is low sec is a mess.. one of them has to be adjusted..



Can you really blame anyone for criticising NC?

Everytime Kim Jong Lau went up he lied out of his arse and contradicted everything he said, however he only got in because of his status.

Now we see a "LETS CONTROL AND RUIN EVE" campaign by NC, now I know some NC people genuinely dont want to ruin EVE but it doesnt help that you are in NC when theres a campaign set out and work in their favour AGAIN.

People may have different ideas of EVE but it doesnt help when you are NC and saying "I dont share NCs views", kind of makes you sound like a hypocrite dont you think?

Thats like working for CCP and saying I dont like CCP, wtf?!

If you want people to take you serious and believe you arent part of the problem you would have campaigned without being part of NC but lets face it you are more in favour of NC ruining EVE just by being in their coalition

Draco Llasa
Thundercats
Posted - 2011.03.11 18:24:00 - [7]
 

Ok let me set some things straight here

Originally by: Not Kalle Demos

Can you really blame anyone for criticising NC?

Everytime Kim Jong Lau went up he lied out of his arse and contradicted everything he said, however he only got in because of his status.

That may be so.. and i def cant speak to past events as i was not part of them. i do understand the overall point of what you are saying. but im not here to debate the validity or integrity of other players.

Originally by: Not Kalle Demos
Now we see a "LETS CONTROL AND RUIN EVE" campaign by NC, now I know some NC people genuinely dont want to ruin EVE but it doesn't help that you are in NC when theres a campaign set out and work in their favor AGAIN.

i am one of those people. in fact you might be surprised to know that i am not an official candidate for NC, in fact, the main NC leadership does NOT support my position as a candidate. I am actually only running as a representative of my alliance. Now that said, my alliance is in the NC, and i do have a stake in the NCs well being, but im not going to tailor my campaign to only suit those interests.

Originally by: Not Kalle Demos
People may have different ideas of EVE but it doesnt help when you are NC and saying "I dont share NCs views", kind of makes you sound like a hypocrite dont you think?

Thats like working for CCP and saying I don't like CCP, wtf?!

If you want people to take you serious and believe you aren't part of the problem you would have campaigned without being part of NC but lets face it you are more in favour of NC ruining EVE just by being in their coalition


Please get it straight, i never said i don't support the view of the NC.. what i said is i am not one of the people campaigning solely for 0.0 interests. i didn't claim to have no 0.0 interests. i do.. but only in the overall view of the game. i am not here to make sure NC stays what it is or keep what it has.. in fact anything that brings us more pew pew is wonderful.

Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.11 18:55:00 - [8]
 

anger will tear you down and tear apart your soul

join me, in praising the lord and spreading our message of forgiveness

Not Kalle Demos
Amarr
Hedion University
Posted - 2011.03.11 19:27:00 - [9]
 

Edited by: Not Kalle Demos on 11/03/2011 19:27:28
Originally by: Weaselior
anger will tear you down and tear apart your soul

join me, in praising the lord and spreading our message of forgiveness


10/10 that was so funny and original, well done mate

:UNIRONIC:

Imigo Montoya
Wildly Inappropriate
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.11 21:40:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Draco Llasa
Originally by: Not Kalle Demos
On the vote match what I found funny was NC saying yes to moving lvl 4s to low sec "because there is no risk" yet promoted blobbing and number warfare to the point where NC say "This is our sandbox if we want to feel secure by NAPing everyone then so be it".

Don't generalize, i did not support moving all level 4's to low sec, nor do i promote blobbing mechanics, i just put a whole post about that above yours...

In fact, i have clearly stated that the risk/reward balance is low sec is a mess.. one of them has to be adjusted..



This.

What you've done is summarised a whole group of candidate responses, and done so with flagrant disregard for accuracy. Your alt posting is infact so far off the mark that it doesn't really seem to summarise any candidate's position. Is this deliberate misdirection or just poor reasoning?

You also seem to be exuding a highly toxic amount of butthurt. Please show me on the doll where the big bad NC touched you... Razz

The Mittani
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.11 21:43:00 - [11]
 

Kalle Demos, the worst poster on these forums, hates me.

Vote Mittani.

Not Kalle Demos
Amarr
Hedion University
Posted - 2011.03.11 23:25:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Imigo Montoya
Originally by: Draco Llasa
Originally by: Not Kalle Demos
On the vote match what I found funny was NC saying yes to moving lvl 4s to low sec "because there is no risk" yet promoted blobbing and number warfare to the point where NC say "This is our sandbox if we want to feel secure by NAPing everyone then so be it".

Don't generalize, i did not support moving all level 4's to low sec, nor do i promote blobbing mechanics, i just put a whole post about that above yours...

In fact, i have clearly stated that the risk/reward balance is low sec is a mess.. one of them has to be adjusted..



This.

What you've done is summarised a whole group of candidate responses, and done so with flagrant disregard for accuracy. Your alt posting is infact so far off the mark that it doesn't really seem to summarise any candidate's position. Is this deliberate misdirection or just poor reasoning?

You also seem to be exuding a highly toxic amount of butthurt. Please show me on the doll where the big bad NC touched you... Razz


Actually you can have the 10/10 for being a clichť, honestly what is it with WIDOT and generic comments

Lets once again look at all the facts shall we.

1. Mittani didnt even understand half of the points on the Vote Match, check his comments, he even comments and gets confused with basic questions and prefers to focus on UI changes over everything.

2. For the past several years NC have branded themselves as one voice, one opinion, one thought, can you blame everyone for thinking you guys are all the same, after all you are who your (best) friends are

3. You set out in a "NC TO TAKE OVER CSM" campaign, then complain when people criticise you, if you had issues with this then you would have done what Two Shots did and left NC

4. Now that it is obvious why NC are getting branded as one Big F*cking Fail, how can you expect anyone to take their candidates serious when half of them are contradicting themselves and openly saying they ONLY want CSM seats so they dont have to PvP

5. Your thought 'may' be different but lets face it you are in NC and NC only have one thought, after all "there will be no diplomacy".

Saying you are not part of the problem yet holding the Razor banner just makes you a hypocrite, but by the looks of it anyway on Vote Match most people wont require alot of time to work out what NCs agendas is.

Imigo Montoya
Wildly Inappropriate
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.12 01:06:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Not Kalle Demos

Actually you can have the 10/10 for being a clichť, honestly what is it with WIDOT and generic comments

Lets once again look at all the facts shall we.

1. Mittani didnt even understand half of the points on the Vote Match, check his comments, he even comments and gets confused with basic questions and prefers to focus on UI changes over everything.

2. For the past several years NC have branded themselves as one voice, one opinion, one thought, can you blame everyone for thinking you guys are all the same, after all you are who your (best) friends are

3. You set out in a "NC TO TAKE OVER CSM" campaign, then complain when people criticise you, if you had issues with this then you would have done what Two Shots did and left NC

4. Now that it is obvious why NC are getting branded as one Big F*cking Fail, how can you expect anyone to take their candidates serious when half of them are contradicting themselves and openly saying they ONLY want CSM seats so they dont have to PvP

5. Your thought 'may' be different but lets face it you are in NC and NC only have one thought, after all "there will be no diplomacy".

Saying you are not part of the problem yet holding the Razor banner just makes you a hypocrite, but by the looks of it anyway on Vote Match most people wont require alot of time to work out what NCs agendas is.



"Facts" huh? Looks like you need to look up the definition of fact so you can distinguish them from rumour, speculation, marketing, and opinion. Let me demonstrate:

1. You seem of the opinion that Mittani is confused. Opinion is not fact.

2. You seem of the opinion that NC has one voice, one opinion, one thought. I can tell you from my perspective that I have seen considerable evidence to the contrary.

3. People have speculated that the fact there is a large number of NC candidates means that the NC is trying to take over the CSM. There are however plenty of other perfectly reasonable explanations for this, such as the other fact that there are a lot of NC members. Speculation is not fact.

4. Branding a group a one "Big F*cking Fail" is marketing. Also, which half are openly saying they want to be on CSM to avoid PvP? Please make a list with quotes rather than starting a rumour. Rumour is not fact, but here's a fact: one of the issues I'm standing for is more opportunities for PvP.

5. That the NC only has one thought and that is "there will be no diplomacy" is something you pulled out of your ass. Something you pull out of your ass is not fact.

On that note I'm calling you out as being full of excrement. I'll be happy to continue this discourse if you have some actual facts that are relevant to the CSM discussion to discuss.

FinnAgain Zero
Roving Guns Inc.
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2011.03.12 04:33:00 - [14]
 

The degree of inchoate hate directed at the NC by people who have a fingernail's grip on reality is impressive. And it definitely shows that whatever we're doing, if it drives some people this nuts, we're doing it right. I wish that a lot of NC candidates had run in years past, we might have caused someone to start throwing grenades into their local post office or something.

Not Kalle Demos
Amarr
Hedion University
Posted - 2011.03.12 08:26:00 - [15]
 

Its cool when people call me angry and mad considering how entertaining this is for me watching you all get emo, whats cooler is Finn calling anyone mad, its like someone rolling around in horse **** then jumping up and down and calling everyone **** face.

Finn, at the risk of being generic like every WIDOT / GOON / TEST member, STOP POSTING NOW!

Marconus Orion
D00M.
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2011.03.12 09:27:00 - [16]
 

My question is; With the NC completely dominating the list of RMT that was leaked to evenews24.com and spreading like wildfire across all gaming websites, what steps is NC taking to get ride of the RMTers riddled all through their coalition?

Does any leaders within the NC have any statements about this so voters don't think, "By voting for a NC candidate, I'm voting for someone who harbors RMTers."

Killer Gandry
Caldari
Shadow of the Pain
Posted - 2011.03.12 10:41:00 - [17]
 

I think there are a few miss conceptions.

First: I am a 0.0 resident and also member of the NC.
Second: Not every NC member votes for a NC representative or atleast not with all accounts.
Third: FinnNotAgain Zero is as relevant as the last part of his name states.

The Empire community and Alliances outside the NC can blame themselves more than the NC if the NC get's a more prominent representation in the CSM.
Why blame the NC for getting more people to vote? Isn't the real issue that Empire and the other alliance blocks just don't care a lot less who is in the CSM and thus generating a lot less votes?

The reason the NC works is because the alliances in it realise that being a solo Alliance or only a small block alliance won't help you survive.
xDeathx, RA, WN etc work like a team too where certain intrests are at stake.

IT made the big fubar to allienate most Alliances in the game which at a certain point made them stand virtually solo. The end result is well known.

This doesn't mean the NC will live forever. Nothing remains, everything changes. But you shouldn't be mad about the fact some people work together. You should more focus on why others can't.

Imigo Montoya
Wildly Inappropriate
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.13 02:16:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Marconus Orion
My question is; With the NC completely dominating the list of RMT that was leaked to evenews24.com and spreading like wildfire across all gaming websites, what steps is NC taking to get ride of the RMTers riddled all through their coalition


Just to clarify, those people caught in the RMT exposť were customers. Not that this excuses them, buying ISK outside of PLEX is still against the EULA, it's just not quite as bad as running the ISK selling racket.

I just don't want people to get the two confused.

Marconus Orion
D00M.
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2011.03.13 04:10:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Imigo Montoya
Originally by: Marconus Orion
My question is; With the NC completely dominating the list of RMT that was leaked to evenews24.com and spreading like wildfire across all gaming websites, what steps is NC taking to get ride of the RMTers riddled all through their coalition


Just to clarify, those people caught in the RMT exposť were customers. Not that this excuses them, buying ISK outside of PLEX is still against the EULA, it's just not quite as bad as running the ISK selling racket.

I just don't want people to get the two confused.


So what is the NC going to do with all those people in their coalition on that list that were customers of a RMT site?

Since Wildly Inappropriate. is #1 on that list, does that mean they encourage this behaviour?

Is it a sign of having a nonprofitable section of space that is being rented to you? Forcing members to seek alternate ways to gain income?

Has Vuk Lau, leader of the NC, made any statement condemning or embracing RMT since this list was leaked?

Has anyone at all been kicked from the NC that was on the list?

Imigo Montoya
Wildly Inappropriate
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.13 06:06:00 - [20]
 

Edited by: Imigo Montoya on 13/03/2011 07:39:08
Originally by: Marconus Orion
So what is the NC going to do with all those people in their coalition on that list that were customers of a RMT site?

Since Wildly Inappropriate. is #1 on that list, does that mean they encourage this behaviour?

Is it a sign of having a nonprofitable section of space that is being rented to you? Forcing members to seek alternate ways to gain income?

Has Vuk Lau, leader of the NC, made any statement condemning or embracing RMT since this list was leaked?

Has anyone at all been kicked from the NC that was on the list?


Let's also be clear that there are a lot of players from a lot of alliances involved here. I can imagine what NC/WI. leadership would say about this, but I'm not going to put words in somebody else's mouth.

That said, an alliance couldn't and shouldn't have any control over what one of their members does with their own credit card, against the rules of the game or not.

I just had a good look through the spreadsheet on EVE News 24 and noted the 85% of those involved being in unaffiliated/NPC corps so as not to tie back to their main. How many of those are associated with your corp/alliance I wonder...?

Personally, they should all be banned, plain and simple. But that's up to CCP. I would like to know as part of my campaign how much they do actually do about RMT, including this event.

Not Kalle Demos
Amarr
Hedion University
Posted - 2011.03.14 19:58:00 - [21]
 

You want to know about NCs policy on botting, except Mostly Harmless, WIDOT, Goonswarm FEDERATION, TEST, Majesta Empire and Stella Polaris the other alliances have a "Dont ask, dont tell" policy when it comes to botting / RMT.

Even when a player loses a bot the leader will shrug it off.

Goonswarm FEDERATION have an open policy on botting and Venal probably has more botters than all of the East, sadly due to 'AFK cloaking', the bots arent very effective, Mittani personally has said "its not my job to stop botters, its CCPs".

WIDOT / Mostly Harmless / Stella Polaris bot near in branch, they have the worst management of any other NC alliance and tbh they are merely there as meatshields, so why not take advantage of botting heh, Morsus Mihi created Stella Polaris just so they can bot and bring in ISK for them.

TEST did have an anti botting policy however it was leaked during the Fountain campaign that they encouraged all their members to not only bot but find and abuse exploits.

Majesta, well they mass recruited everything to save their dying alliance and now are filled with bots.

The only reason NC are so emo over DRF bots is because more people AFK cloak in the north making it harder for NC to bot, while in the East it is much easier but that doesnt mean DRF have more botters ;)

CCP need to have a look at where that ISK from moon goo is going, why are certain alliances giving ISK / supercaps freely to random players ;)

If anything NC WANT to be CSM so they can protect their botting / RMT, why else do you think they are complaining the most about logistics and jump bridges.

If you check NC candidates focuses on the Vote Match, its really quite funny, Mittani's key interests are "UI changes" and half the questions he didnt even know what was asked hahaha, rest of NC were just as bad.

FinnAgain Zero
Roving Guns Inc.
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2011.03.14 20:45:00 - [22]
 


Originally by: Not Kalle Demos
Its cool when people call me angry and mad considering how entertaining this is for me watching you all get emo


Nope, you're pretty clearly emoraging in the OP here, and trying to say that those attempting to talk you down are is, well, kinda obvious in its absurdity. Good try though.

Originally by: Not Kalle Demos

If anything NC WANT to be CSM so they can protect their botting / RMT, why else do you think they are complaining the most about logistics and jump bridges.



Speaking of your emoraging conspiracy theories and your not-cited claims about dastardly dealings that, naturally, totally happened and stuff but you can't link to them...
Rather obviously, the percentage of names engaged in RMT versus the number of members in even a small alliance is infinitesimal. We're talking about stats that are less than one percent. Painting that as some sort of grand conspiracy is, simply, paranoid.

Originally by: Killer Gandry

Third: FinnNotAgain Zero is as relevant as the last part of his name states.


Gandry, trolling?
I'm shocked, shocked!
Oh, no, sorry, I'd be shocked if Gandry was actually decent at trolling. I kinda expect the trollfail from him.

Imigo Montoya
Wildly Inappropriate
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.14 21:38:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Not Kalle Demos
blah blah


Seriously, you're delusional. Have a look at my campaign and what I stand for (anti-botting, pro PvP). From my experience in the NC, flying in NC/DC fleets (from small gang to sov war), I've gathered the impression that the vast majority of NC members feel the same way.

At best you're over-generalising and using terrible reasoning skills.

Not Kalle Demos
Amarr
Hedion University
Posted - 2011.03.14 21:54:00 - [24]
 

Edited by: Not Kalle Demos on 14/03/2011 21:56:22
Originally by: Imigo Montoya
Originally by: Not Kalle Demos
blah blah


Seriously, you're delusional. Have a look at my campaign and what I stand for (anti-botting, pro PvP). From my experience in the NC, flying in NC/DC fleets (from small gang to sov war), I've gathered the impression that the vast majority of NC members feel the same way.

At best you're over-generalising and using terrible reasoning skills.


You kidding right, everytime I link or prove something about NC, mods come in and erase what I say, you should know how it works, take any leak thread on CAOD as an example.

All the proof gets deleted and even when it doesnt you just get NC emo babies trying to spin it, like "well if DRF can bot so can we".

Besides I posted about your RMT scandal only last week and guess what happened about 20 mins later, CCP delete the thread, people read enough kugu to know what has been leaked anyway Razz

Oh and like most people (even NC haha) I ignore what EmoAgain Zero says, I think he should just create another alt and spam, that way I will bother to read his ****

FinnAgain Zero
Roving Guns Inc.
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2011.03.14 22:15:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Not Kalle Demos

You kidding right, everytime I link or prove something about NC, mods come in and erase what I say


Obviously because they're working for the Men in Black, now because you're emoraging about conspiracy theories.
Obviously.

Quote:
NC emo babies trying to spin it, like "well if DRF can bot so can we".


Quote even one single example of this actually happening, rather than you dreaming it up to emorage about.
Yeah, didn't think so.

Quote:

Oh and like most people (even NC haha) I ignore what EmoAgain Zero says


By ignore you mean "constantly respond to and/or mention", yes?


 

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