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Dr Sheepbringer
Gallente
Halinallen veroparatiisi
Inglorious Carebears
Posted - 2011.03.11 09:06:00 - [31]
 

leaving your corp? Christ, grow some cohones! Just think about it as a "spice" for eve from time to time. If you are really SO paranoid about wars...then join a npc corp and happily mine away untill someone suicides you with a lowcost ship (they should probably be banned from the game right?)

How about writing an email or telling people in the corp chat "okay, get yer guns out!". Of even better...take the role and HIRE mercenaries!

Tears.

Malema
Posted - 2011.03.11 11:51:00 - [32]
 

Just unjoin corp and make a protected chat channel with your mates is the easiest solution in general.Though as previously pointed out , you are not immune to suicide ganks in any way.

Hestia Mar
Posted - 2011.03.11 16:37:00 - [33]
 

My main's corp is also in a similar position - dec's by a corp that primarly play in US TZ, whereas we are mostly EU - so there is next to no action because neither side is on when the other side is!

We have stopped indy activities and when the bad guys are on we go looking for them, but to no avail; in fact the dec was extended into a second week.

Solution is to either ignore them and take chances in missions and stuff, or wake up the alts and do other stuff.

H

Dasola
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.03.11 17:39:00 - [34]
 

To OP, i believe wardeck was intended to disrupt your corporations normal operations, witch it seems to be doing too.

Those people that leave before any actual hostilities has ocured, they are worthless as others has allready sayd. This game has very strong PVP component on it and everyone that plays has to learn to live with it.

You should establish protocol to handle wardecks and keep corporation active during them. Nothing is more boing then logon just to realise theres no action. If theres someone to lead, theres plenty of people that follow. And dont forget to communicate with your members, its important. Corporation that communicates is live one.

Mutant Caldari
Caldari
Percussive Diplomacy
The Phoenix. Consortium
Posted - 2011.03.11 18:38:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: Debrie
Edited by: Debrie on 11/03/2011 03:26:58
Edited by: Debrie on 11/03/2011 03:25:28

aye I understand suicide ganking

but all im saying is we have a war dec immune NPC corp (but annoying as all heck because of the thousand members spread across the galaxy)

but what would it hurt to add a player run Carebear corp , that when war decced can scurry to ultra high sec for npc protection (possibly needing a certain nation Standing for that protection) , insteada disbanding that drives some from the game entierly : \ (you could still "suicide gank them" while there war decced)

It would hurt the game a lot considering the game has had the reputation for being one of the most cold and harsh games out. Making .8-1.0 systems unable to initiate hostilities gets rid of that, the sandbox aspect and, well, that is just ******ed. So enough with your ******ed ideas.

Daphne Q
Our Own Pirate Society
Posted - 2011.03.11 20:01:00 - [36]
 

EVE is not a mining/industrial game with a PvP component. It is a PvP game with a mining/industrial component.

Sometimes the choice to PvP (or not) is yours. Other times that choice is taken away from you. That is the nature of the game.

EVE does not need an "ultra-high-sec" area to accommodate more players. EVE needs more players willing to accommodate themselves to the nature of the game.

Cordo Draken
ABOS Industrial Enterprises
Posted - 2011.03.11 23:10:00 - [37]
 

Edited by: Cordo Draken on 11/03/2011 23:18:50
Originally by: Debrie
Edited by: Debrie on 11/03/2011 03:13:41
bet the majority of yall also think the newbie corp shouldnt exist or high sec for that matter

honestly , if yall had it "your way" (all pvp all the time) the game woulda failed years ago

although it matters little you have your opinions and I have mine and nuthing said will change the others mind , but mine would keep more peaple playing and in no way effect the overall game in the slightest :p


I smell Southern Chicken with those Yalls, but before you start "fixin' to" write another reply, just remember that this PvP game, pretty much as-is, started back in 2003, and continues to thrive regardless of the Rage/quiters fleeing back to WOW, to only realize they're extremely bored again over the same lame risk-free content.

True Story. Wink

Debrie
Posted - 2011.03.11 23:24:00 - [38]
 

Edited by: Debrie on 11/03/2011 23:25:24
Edited by: Debrie on 11/03/2011 23:24:54
currently in 0.0 taking my fair share of lumps

was just an overall suggestion to retainment that CCP themselve seem bent on retaining the "WoW crowd" with its added fairytale incursion "raid" content ect only logical this may be one of there next steps to retaining those not currently retained , because of silly old "pvp logic"

Stiffen2010
Posted - 2011.03.12 03:34:00 - [39]
 

If you're not willing to PvP when needed, dont play EVE. EVE is a PvP game, plain and simple Rolling Eyes

GURISTA SHEWOLF
Caldari
Posted - 2011.03.13 21:24:00 - [40]
 

Originally by: Stiffen2010
If you're not willing to PvP when needed, dont play EVE. EVE is a PvP game, plain and simple Rolling Eyes


Life is a pvp experience as well but that does not mean i could buy a license to beat the crap out of you.

Celeste Chevalier
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2011.03.13 21:59:00 - [41]
 

Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
Originally by: Svenia Angel
Hello!
Two weeks ago we got a wardec. From this point no wartarget were seen 6jumps around the place we are mining.
No fighting, no ransom, no contact from the corp.
Now the Members leaving our corp.
What is the reason to do war like this?
What can we do to stop this?
Thx for the help!


Wow... a war with no aggression and your members are still running away?

Good riddance, I say. Looks like you managed to get rid of some truly worthless pilots.

QFE

Un Khanni
Posted - 2011.03.13 22:41:00 - [42]
 

Originally by: GURISTA SHEWOLF
Originally by: Stiffen2010
If you're not willing to PvP when needed, dont play EVE. EVE is a PvP game, plain and simple Rolling Eyes


Life is a pvp experience as well but that does not mean i could buy a license to beat the crap out of you.
But you miss the point. EVE is a PvP game. There is no requirement for it to emulate real life. Thankfully!

Lost Greybeard
Gallente
Posted - 2011.03.14 18:05:00 - [43]
 

Originally by: Debrie
Edited by: Debrie on 11/03/2011 03:13:41
bet the majority of yall also think the newbie corp shouldnt exist or high sec for that matter

who would it hurt to allow player to play together without fear of wardec actions in ultra high sec (less than .25 % of the game)


Nothing is stopping you from playing together with other people in an npc corp and thus being completely immune to wardecs. Create a channel, invite people you want to play with, *bam* all the benefits of being in a corp together (except for being able to wardec people, and the corp hangar... one of which you explicitly don't want and the other being something you don't need as a group of newbies).

Basically, the solution to your problem already exists, it's your own fault that you aren't using it.

Debrie
Posted - 2011.03.14 22:11:00 - [44]
 

wouldnt work anyways

what makes it impossible = Pos ownership

and believe me I know about scope , the endless spam in that corp is enough alone to make one quit the game , theres more hate there then here and thats saying alot since every third post is "then quit and go play another game loser" Crying or Very sad

Mikalya
Amarr
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers
The 0rphanage
Posted - 2011.03.14 23:55:00 - [45]
 

Originally by: Debrie
wouldnt work anyways

what makes it impossible = Pos ownership


So you want ALL the benefits of being in a PC corp, but don't want any of the drawbacks. POSs are one of the primary reasons for wardecs to exist; without the wardec system a POS is license to print money.

You have to take the good with the bad if you want to be other than just a drone farming NPCs.

Belfelmalak
Posted - 2011.03.15 04:58:00 - [46]
 

Edited by: Belfelmalak on 15/03/2011 04:59:42
Originally by: Debrie
wouldnt work anyways

what makes it impossible = Pos ownership

Crying or Very sad


Wait, hold on a sec. Am I getting this right? You are advanced enough to own and operate a POS and you have members fear-quiting over a wardec that has never so much as brought a WT into your system?

You have got to be s***** me. Who would even consider putting up a billion ISK operation with out the slightest ability and willingness to defend it?

Unbelievable (facepalm)

Dynast
Osirians Of Eve
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2011.03.15 05:32:00 - [47]
 

Originally by: Joe McAlt
Okay, I do understand where you are coming from. I have been through it many times so I know how you feel.

First, to the question of why the Dec? Most likely it was simply to keep you out of the nearby belts and to otherwise disrupt your operations. Or they might just be watching to see if you will come out and then jump on you once you do.

Either way it does not matter. They are playing the game their way and by causing you grief they are winning. (This is quite as intended as a game mechanic. They have as much right to do so as you have to mine.)

What you need to do. First, leave 1 alt to hold your corp and the have everyone drop out to the same NPC corp. Then create a channel just for your corp mates. This will allow you to operate just as you did before the Dec. If they attack you, Concord will blow them away.

Do not communicate with them. Do not respond to them . And what ever you do, do not pay them. Ignore them and stay in your NPC corp. Name the Alt holding the corp something like Holding Alt777 so that they will know that further griefing will be pointless.

Let them rage, threaten, whatever. Even if they gank one or two of you do not respond. Sooner or later they will get bored and go away. This is how you farm griefer tears.

Forty-five posts and only one that answers the OP and offers actionable advice. But hey, at least it's on the first page.

To reiterate: They do it because they can. Same reason kids set ants on fire with a magnifying glass, seeing you squirm and burn is enough. If your corp isn't of a mind to do some recon with locator agents and killboards, and engage them on your terms, drop to a NPC corp for the duration and ignore them.

As for the people leaving corp, it's unfortunate.. but contrary to most posters in this thread I'll claim it's quite understandable. Most of the people in this game are here for the internet spaceships, not the l33t pvpz, and in a sandbox environment there's really no reason they shouldn't tune out the bunny-hoppers when they can and blue-ball them when they can't.

Dark DeC
Posted - 2011.03.15 12:45:00 - [48]
 

Originally by: Jean Luc Bathana
I am currently in a Carebear industry Corp who lives in high sec. We recently were War Dec'd as well "just for the fun of it" they said. I must say, EVERY member of our Corp came together and fought. They bought ships and fit them accordingly. We did OPS to practice. And when it came time to fight? We actually rocked them several times. They quit the War Dec because they were not expecting us to be such difficult fight. I was proud of my Corp for that. AND to be honest? It was the most fun I have had since I joined EVE 8 months ago.

The problem is now that the War is over? I don't want to be in a Carebear Corp anymore. Lol!




that is the spirit.

Ezekeil Rage
Posted - 2011.03.15 13:22:00 - [49]
 

Like others have said, they're doing it because they are getting enjoyment out of it, and at the same time, maybe getting some more elbow room in the systems your corp has been inhabiting.

Welcome to the sandbox.

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2011.03.15 15:53:00 - [50]
 

Originally by: Debrie
wouldnt work anyways

what makes it impossible = Pos ownership

and believe me I know about scope , the endless spam in that corp is enough alone to make one quit the game , theres more hate there then here and thats saying alot since every third post is "then quit and go play another game loser" Crying or Very sad


You know you can just minimise the NPC corp chat and only look at your private channel, right?

In essence, what you're asking for is to be able to compete with an unfair advantage against other player corps who can be wardecced. How about we let you create your unwardeccable corps but you're only allowed to sell your minerals and ships for the base NPC price?

Mister Smithington
Posted - 2011.03.15 22:25:00 - [51]
 

Why the war dec? Just to **** with you probably.
What to do about it? Pretend your in low sec. Go about your business as usual, but move your haulers to an NPC corp, put your WTs on watch list, set their standings to red, dock up when reds enter system. Just take up all the precautions that all the people who don't live in empire have made part of their natural routine. Empire even affords you quite a bit more intel gathering capabilities by allowing your neutral alts to blend in with the crowd. Keep in mind that your enemies have the same advantage though.

HOW TO AVOID WAR DECS IN EMPIRE: Join an alliance. Seriously, it's not that hard. Once you're in an alliance your corp cannot be wardec'd without dec-ing the entire alliance. The cost of doing so is prohibitive to most griefer corps.

This in fact is the reason why "ultra-high sec" doesn't exist. Eve is a sand box. The players should be policing these kinds of activities, not CCP. The mechanic to protect yourselves from war decs already exists. It's called making friends.

Dr BattleSmith
PAX Interstellar Services
Posted - 2011.03.15 22:43:00 - [52]
 

Originally by: Debrie
if for example you could not initiate hostilities even on a war target in 0.8-1.0 systems or even if only 1.0 systems , (as many just play only to pve/mine) we would have a system to accomidate everyone without forcing anyone from the game


Go back to WoW with the rest of those lame ideas.

As for the wardec, it's a good thing, you just cleared out some completely worthless members, people who would have stopped good members from joining.

Debrie
Posted - 2011.03.16 08:48:00 - [53]
 

Edited by: Debrie on 16/03/2011 08:51:32


lol this is why I love the forums

make a comment you know cannot happen , because of the ability to own a pos

sit back and watch

bluster bluster bluster pvp bluster bluster bluster (add insult) bluster bluster bluster just quit the game bluster bluster bluster

edit- even posted letting peaple know I knew it wasnt possible , and they still keep at it ugh


ah , my job is done onto the next topic

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2011.03.16 12:59:00 - [54]
 

Ah, the old "Get caught out posting something proveably dumb and then pretend IT WAS ALL A TROLOLOLOL!" routine.

Theodoric Darkwind
Gallente
PonyWaffe
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2011.03.17 08:29:00 - [55]
 

Faildecs are petitionable. If they dec you and then dont make any attempt to engage you at all you can petition and have the war invalidate.

Yarda
Posted - 2011.03.17 10:02:00 - [56]
 

Wait... What?! You can petition a wardec if you're not attacked? What kind of childish BS is that?

As for handling the wardec: Good leadership as already mentioned. Communicate what you are doing and how it affectsa people. If they still leave, they leave because the idea of getting shot scares them. Can't really do anything about that apart from giving everybody a fitted cruiser or 2 and go out hunting. First time getting blown upo is emo. After that, they'll get over it.

Aerion Va'rr
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2011.03.17 11:14:00 - [57]
 

Originally by: Theodoric Darkwind
Faildecs are petitionable. If they dec you and then dont make any attempt to engage you at all you can petition and have the war invalidate.


Lies.

You can however petition players/corps that repeatedly leave/join a corp/alliance during a dec with the intention of temporarily dodging the war. This usually results in a dec fee being refunded depending on the senior GM that handles the escalation of the petition. More often then not, it doesn't lead to anything though.

People get dec'd all the time; maybe you ****ed someone off, maybe someone wants the moon your POS is anchored at, maybe you bumped someone (for some reason this annoys the **** out of people), maybe you mined in someones 'home system', maybe your macro mining/plexing ****ed off someone... maybe someone just thinks you need to die.

Best way to dodge a griefer is to not pay any attention to them.

rumncock
Posted - 2011.03.17 16:35:00 - [58]
 

Edited by: rumn**** on 17/03/2011 16:36:03
Originally by: Svenia Angel
Hm, i'm failed!
The question wasn't why the players leave the Corp, because i said: the wardec is the reason without fighting!?
The question is:
What is the reason for the wardec?
No fight, no ransom, no aggression, no answers from the CEO!?
And how to stop the wardec?
No wartargets, no conversations, no ransom?


you're feeding him tears in this post, stop, ask a friend or anywhere but here for starters.

either he's just waiting to laugh at posts like this or he's not so active/haven't found juicy enough targets/mad at you for some reason but too much of a newb to act on it beyond the declaration (freighters are scary).

edit: also, welcome to the game.

Tom Peeping
Posted - 2011.03.17 17:36:00 - [59]
 

Originally by: Svenia Angel
Hm, i'm failed!
The question wasn't why the players leave the Corp, because i said: the wardec is the reason without fighting!?
The question is:
What is the reason for the wardec?
No fight, no ransom, no aggression, no answers from the CEO!?
And how to stop the wardec?
No wartargets, no conversations, no ransom?


Your corp is (according to you) falling apart with zero effort on their part. You're also posting a whine post.

You've just answered your own question... that's enough motivation right there.

Maverick2011
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2011.03.17 20:53:00 - [60]
 

The situation is always the same:

The big guy picking on the small guy. The veteran picking on noobs. Nothing new here.

Some said the noob is a coward for avoiding a lost fight. How impressive it is the inversion of values. The coward is ALWAYS the one picking on targets that can't put up a fight. Why don't you war deck a corp in 0.0 and go fight them? chicken? Ah it isn't smart you say. Yeah like noobs can't say the same.

Yea there was one case of one dude here that decided to fight back, congrats to him and the heroes of his corp.

One thing I have to agree. War deccing pretty much proves how good your leader is. If he does nothing and people start to leave the leader is the only one to be blamed for. Loyalty to someone who paics in War? Only a ****** would be loyal to this.

If the leader decides to fight even a lost fight just to avoid paying a ransom most will join just for the sake of not being abused in the future. But if the leader decides to hide, or move systems or even worse, paying the ransom...

Then yea you know you have a bad leader and hopeless corp. Time to move on and find another one or even better. Stay in NPC corp till you can get into s strong corp that recruits ppl by SP.

Cowards never war decs the NPC corps or a Strong Corp and go fight them. They only pick easy targets because they suck and they know it. Someone might say "u mad?"

Im cool, you newbie there don't listen to ppl who really just want to make your life in game miserable. Don't rush into a corp. Learn the game into a NPC corp (the TOUGH guys wont touch you, afraid of being concorded).

And when you learn the basics, yea then look for a corp that recruits BY SP REQUIREMENTS. Thats your guarantee that you wont be in a corp of sheeps.

U mad griefers?


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