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Rimsa Orion
Gallente
Federal Defence Union
Posted - 2011.03.10 01:29:00 - [1]
 

I am jumping in to Faction Warefare but don't want to jump in too deep.
I am thinking of using my Hyperion or my Deimos. Can anyone tell me what would be best for this sort of game play?

Mutnin
Amarr
Mutineers
Posted - 2011.03.10 01:56:00 - [2]
 

At first I was gonna say the Hyperion, then the Deimos and I'd offer to fleet you for a roam. However, I figured you would likely notice that I'm a war target of yours and flashy to boot, so the gig would be up.

This means I'll be nice, (for now)... Neither would be a good choice until you get a "few" people to fly with (pls don't join the blobathon). Anyway, stick to cheap stuff till you get the hang of whats going on and figure out the lay of the land.

Best to go frigs if you are soloing with no scout. If scouting or flying in a small gang cruisers & BC's tend to be pretty helpful, but Militia is filled with noobs, so only take your fancy stuff out when you trust whom you are flying with.

Mara Abraham
Minmatar
The Tuskers
Posted - 2011.03.10 04:48:00 - [3]
 

Greetings:

I'm still learning the Minmatar areas of low sec; and from what I know, if you are jumping into FW for the first time (or returning after a few years), it would work best for you to start small with t1 frigates and work your way up from there based on what you see, the corporation you are in, what fleets are running when, etc.

In the several months that I've been a Minmatar freedom fighter, after recently being freed as an Amarrian slave, I've seen too many brothers give up over losing ship after ship just because they did not take the time to start small and learn patiently.

Thank you.

X Gallentius
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Posted - 2011.03.10 06:41:00 - [4]
 

Edited by: X Gallentius on 10/03/2011 06:42:45
Key to FW is having many different ships available so you can "ship up" or "ship down" to meet the current threat.

Most of the time it's either faction/T2 frigs and BCs, with a smattering of dessies, cruisers, and T2 cruisers on occasion. Sometimes you'll need a BS and having a carrier on call is a good thing too (but definitely not required).

Get a variety of hulls to Heyd M19 station and then join the blob to p*ss Mutnin off. He only wants to engage you on his terms anyways. Very Happy

Kora Zilesti
Posted - 2011.03.10 07:15:00 - [5]
 

Edited by: Kora Zilesti on 10/03/2011 07:16:24
Haha! You think that there's actually any fighting in the militias!

LOL! ROFL!

Keep dreaming, brother. Do the math - less than a hundred kills per day in the Gallente militia - in any militia! - over the course of 24 hours... Seriously! Do an equation! Five or less kills per hour? Between THOUSANDS of pilots? HA! Just save yourself the trouble, man! Back away and forget you came down this road! Go wardec a 50-man corp by yourself or something. I guarantee you you'll have more fun!

ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
Posted - 2011.03.10 09:09:00 - [6]
 

I'll leave this here and quote myself for tl;dr people:

Originally by: ShahFluffers
Things to know about FW...

...
2. Buy ships and mods in bulk and have PvP ships of ALL types (ex, shield-fit, armor-fit, DPS/gank-fit, nano-fit, etc) prefit in an easy to access station (preferably a low-sec one that many other militia members use).
3. You will lose A LOT of ships in militia. Have a steady source of income to replace stuff.
...


Does this answer your question? Twisted Evil

X Gallentius
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Posted - 2011.03.10 13:35:00 - [7]
 

Militia kills are not the only kills.

Cearain
Caldari
The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
Posted - 2011.03.10 16:21:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Kora Zilesti
Edited by: Kora Zilesti on 10/03/2011 07:16:24
Haha! You think that there's actually any fighting in the militias!

LOL! ROFL!

Keep dreaming, brother. Do the math - less than a hundred kills per day in the Gallente militia - in any militia! - over the course of 24 hours... Seriously! Do an equation! Five or less kills per hour? Between THOUSANDS of pilots? HA! Just save yourself the trouble, man! Back away and forget you came down this road! Go wardec a 50-man corp by yourself or something. I guarantee you you'll have more fun!


I think you raise a good question. What is the best way to find allot of decent pvp?

I have done rvb and fw. Rvb offered more pvp quicker and I may go back but fw offers advantages over that as well.

The problem with just looking at the number of pilots and dividing the number of kills is that in militia there may be many many pilots who donít often sign in or only run missions. Moreover FW is great for people who canít play eve as much as they would like (like myself) maybe only 10 hours a week. Their driving down the average kill/person does not mean someone actively looking for pvp wouldnít be well served joining fw.

To determine where you can get the most pvp *when you are looking for it* you may want to look at other things, like how many kills per week/month the top pilots are getting. So just going month to month through amarr militia the top spot for number of kills is between 300-500 per month.
http://www.amarr-empire.net/killboard/?a=awards&m=1&y=2011

So people who are dedicating themselves to pvp in fw are getting between 10-17 kills per day.

How that compares to other areas of the game, I donít really know. But I would be interested in finding out.

What are some other avenues to find allot of quality pvp?


Cearain
Caldari
The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
Posted - 2011.03.10 16:25:00 - [9]
 

op

I'm guessing you do not have much experience in pvp. I would recomend cheaper stuff at first. Expect to lose allot of ships before you get the hang of it.

Liang Nuren
Posted - 2011.03.10 18:19:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Kora Zilesti
less than a hundred kills per day in the Gallente militia


Ever wonder how many kills go unreported? It's a lot - I'll tell you that. I've got capital kills in the militia that went unreported FFS. Shocked

-Liang

Mutnin
Amarr
Mutineers
Posted - 2011.03.10 23:18:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: Mutnin on 10/03/2011 23:24:20

Originally by: Kora Zilesti
Edited by: Kora Zilesti on 10/03/2011 07:16:24
Haha! You think that there's actually any fighting in the militias!

LOL! ROFL!

Keep dreaming, brother. Do the math - less than a hundred kills per day in the Gallente militia - in any militia! - over the course of 24 hours... Seriously! Do an equation! Five or less kills per hour? Between THOUSANDS of pilots? HA! Just save yourself the trouble, man! Back away and forget you came down this road! Go wardec a 50-man corp by yourself or something. I guarantee you you'll have more fun!




Regardless if this is a troll or not he's fairly right. Most people in the Militia or anywhere else for that matter will sit in the station spinning ships till some FC comes forward to herd the sheep.

There is very little fighting in FW, just a lot of people ganking easy targets, but that's pretty much all of low sec and null sec for that matter if it's not some battle over something that matters.

Most people just want easy kills and really don't care how they get them.

Originally by: X Gallentius

Get a variety of hulls to Hey M19 station and then join the blob to p*ss Mutnin off. He only wants to engage you on his terms anyways. Very Happy


Don't be mad, that I don't make my self easy to gank. Besides that, my terms are fairly simple, if it looks like a reasonable or fun fight, I'm all for it. Hell sometimes I even go for the suicide just for the lols. (we attacked a WT Apoc, Omen & Drake last night with 2 Ruptures in OMS)

Just don't be mad that I wont engage your Faction navy ship in my Ranis and TBH, I typically never see you going out of your way to hunt me down, unless your in a gang, so lets be real here. Cool

X Gallentius
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Posted - 2011.03.10 23:41:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Mutnin
misses point Cool
You call out others for not engaging when you never engage unless you're certain you're going to win.

You repeatedly post in forums that you want a challenge, but nobody has seen you put yourself into a challenging situation.

Cearain
Caldari
The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
Posted - 2011.03.11 01:01:00 - [13]
 

We all know good fights are hard to come by in eve generally. But it seems to me that FW is the best place to find them.

I'd be interested in seeing killboards that suggest otherwise.

Mutnin
Amarr
Mutineers
Posted - 2011.03.11 01:41:00 - [14]
 

Edited by: Mutnin on 11/03/2011 01:56:20

Originally by: X Gallentius
Originally by: Mutnin
misses point Cool
You call out others for not engaging when you never engage unless you're certain you're going to win.

You repeatedly post in forums that you want a challenge, but nobody has seen you put yourself into a challenging situation.



I'm not going to get into an argument with you, as you only seem interested in trolling. However I'll say this.. I'm pretty sure my kill board history can show that I have a long history of engaging targets that aren't just a bunch of easy ganks and that I like to take risks.

I'm always looking for GF's, but just like anyone else I'll take opportunity when it knocks and will kill anything, I think I can or die trying/run if I can't. There is a big difference in that vs those that sit in stations never undocking unless they are sure it's a win or have safety hiding in their blob's numbers.

If you can't tell the difference, you obviously can't see the forest for the trees or are just RPing a troll.

X Gallentius
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Posted - 2011.03.11 03:08:00 - [15]
 

Just reviewed your kb. Yes, you are not a weasel who takes no risks.

It was a sampling error on my part as everybody I've asked says you hardly ever engage, and whenever you're lurking around you seem to disappear to a safespot (for whatever reason) and not even attempt to engage. Smart play on your part I guess.

Mutnin
Amarr
Mutineers
Posted - 2011.03.11 23:46:00 - [16]
 

Edited by: Mutnin on 11/03/2011 23:50:16

Originally by: X Gallentius
Just reviewed your kb. Yes, you are not a weasel who takes no risks.

It was a sampling error on my part as everybody I've asked says you hardly ever engage, and whenever you're lurking around you seem to disappear to a safespot (for whatever reason) and not even attempt to engage. Smart play on your part I guess.


Well TBH, I tend to stay away from FW engagements unless I've scouted out the area well. There is just a lot more baiting, that goes on up here vs what I was used to in Min/Amarr and being I pirate I pretty much will shoot at anything. I just use FW as a ISK source these days and hit targets of opportunity, but it's not really my primary source of PVP.

Part of my problem with FW targets, is I've always been a BC/cruiser fan and not so much a frig person, which means it's much harder to get away if things turn to a trap. I was always a big Vexor, Myrm, Cane fan but since I joined Caldari I've been flying a lot of Drakes and recently Recon ships because I've been giving it a go of dual boxing two combat toons.

Lately though, I've been trying to give the frigs a go, flying ranis, hookbills and suicidal drams, I'm still not that great in them, as I haven't flown them much. I'm pretty selective on my targets while flying them being I tend to try and bite off more than I can chew and still in the trial and error phase of what the ships are capable of vs what I want to do with it. (example trying to kill a tempest in a Ranis is likely not a good idea) Laughing

moneykeeper
Posted - 2011.03.12 11:53:00 - [17]
 

T1 frig to start. Especially if you just got started and dont have a lot of sp. Your main job will be getting a point on something, so that everyone else can shoot it. All fleets need fast tackle. plus you can warp out quicker if you need to make a quick getaway.

If you fly galente I'd say go with a t1 fitted incursus. With a basic t1 fit the ship cost next to nothing. dps doesnt matter, you just need to get a point on something.

If you ask me a warp disrupter is better than a scram for a small fleet as it has longer range. 10k is nothing on some of them massivly enormous gates. Last thing you want to do is sit there out of range as a juicy target like a cruiser warps off, because you are out of range.

Also I also advise you to dont take a hyperion through amamake unscouted. FCs a blackbird more than they love a battleship, so bring one if you got it.

DrDan21
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2011.03.22 21:56:00 - [18]
 

Edited by: DrDan21 on 22/03/2011 21:56:39
Originally by: Kora Zilesti
Edited by: Kora Zilesti on 10/03/2011 07:16:24
Haha! You think that there's actually any fighting in the militias!

LOL! ROFL!

Keep dreaming, brother. Do the math - less than a hundred kills per day in the Gallente militia - in any militia! - over the course of 24 hours... Seriously! Do an equation! Five or less kills per hour? Between THOUSANDS of pilots? HA! Just save yourself the trouble, man! Back away and forget you came down this road! Go wardec a 50-man corp by yourself or something. I guarantee you you'll have more fun!


You clearly haven't tried FW, it's a lot of fun shooting at the frogs (or squids if your on the gallente side) and being a pseudo pi YARRRR!!


Nano J
Posted - 2011.03.23 02:17:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Cearain
We all know good fights are hard to come by in eve generally. But it seems to me that FW is the best place to find them.


I agree with this statement, especially since I shoot at this guy a few times a week. Anyone who can't get kills in FW needs to give up pvp. Sure I gank plenty of stuff with buddies, but when we're outnumbered (or if I'm solo) we turn to alternative skirmish tactics. The constant change in shiptypes, tactics, and targets is what makes FW fun.

As I always say, "blobbed" is a term used by people who don't understand the game. Know what you're engaging before you engage it. You either had bad scouts and intel, or you are using poor tactics against a superior force.

Spit Chew
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.03.23 03:23:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Nano J
Originally by: Cearain
We all know good fights are hard to come by in eve generally. But it seems to me that FW is the best place to find them.


I agree with this statement, especially since I shoot at this guy a few times a week. Anyone who can't get kills in FW needs to give up pvp.


Agree with the second portion, but not sure FW is the best place for everyone. The gangs tend to be on the large side (amarr/minmatar was the FW I experienced, never paid much attention to Cal/Gal). I get a lot more of what i'd term 'good fights' just roaming lowsec/npc null with half a dozen friends.

Not saying FW is bad (I join my mate's militia corp from time to time), but it's not the last bastion of pvp either.

Jamradar
Minmatar
Autocannons Anonymous
Posted - 2011.03.24 02:06:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Nano J

As I always say, "blobbed" is a term used by people who don't understand the game. Know what you're engaging before you engage it. You either had bad scouts and intel, or you are using poor tactics against a superior force.


No no no, nano. As someone mentioned in another blobing thread; the word "blobing" is used by the party that lost.

Mara Abraham
Minmatar
The Tuskers
Posted - 2011.03.24 12:46:00 - [22]
 

Greetings:

When I first joined FW, I used the word, "blob" almost every time a bunch of war targets ganked me. More and more, while most of the time it is still ganking (i.e. the you, their target, don't have much of a chance to even escape), I've come to terms the enemy is just in a fleet; and sometimes their fleet is large.

I do have to laugh because the more I come out of blob denial, the more I see others (new and old players alike) calling three to five ships a blob.

Yes, Minmatar vs. Amarr factional warfare does include solo to small gangs (my definition of a small gang is less than or equal to one squad) to medium size fleets (two to three squads) to large fleets (greater than three squads).

If you are mindful, understanding there are no guarantees, you can avoid most blobs... especially if you fly cruiser hull and down.

Thank you.

Othran
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2011.03.24 13:17:00 - [23]
 

Got an alt in TLIB as its the quickest/cheapest way to bump minnie standings up so he just runs missions.

Compared to late 2009/early 2010 the Amarr/Minmatar area is utterly dead. It was pretty quiet before (DT+/-3) but there's literally nothing happening now except people running missions. Oh and sasawong slowly taking over Devoid single-handed Laughing

The alt has run maybe 40 missions and the only time anyone came into them was one PIE guy. I've had more "pirates" in the missions than FW people.

Maybe Amarr/Minnie FW is OK if you play in EU or US prime-time (so 1900-0500) but its pretty pointless if you play outside those hours. I guess it gives you the option of more targets, but if you're only shooting FW wts then it'll be VERY slim pickings.

Nano J
Posted - 2011.03.24 17:09:00 - [24]
 

Edited by: Nano J on 24/03/2011 17:12:11
Originally by: Othran
Got an alt in TLIB as its the quickest/cheapest way to bump minnie standings up so he just runs missions.

Compared to late 2009/early 2010 the Amarr/Minmatar area is utterly dead. It was pretty quiet before (DT+/-3) but there's literally nothing happening now except people running missions. Oh and sasawong slowly taking over Devoid single-handed Laughing

The alt has run maybe 40 missions and the only time anyone came into them was one PIE guy. I've had more "pirates" in the missions than FW people.

Maybe Amarr/Minnie FW is OK if you play in EU or US prime-time (so 1900-0500) but its pretty pointless if you play outside those hours. I guess it gives you the option of more targets, but if you're only shooting FW wts then it'll be VERY slim pickings.


I can somewhat sympathize. The minmatar/amarr warzeon is in something of a lull atm for various reasons. The excitement comes in waves though, and this is not the first slow period FW has seen. With that said, here are a couple very fun fights a few buddies and me had just recently:

5v5 (most friendlies were from a harbinger kill from earlier, notice kills/losses from 8:27 onward. it was about 5v5 with escalation)

BC Stompage (larger pirate BC gang fails to recognize the power of a falcon and scimitar)


 

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