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Killer Gandry
Caldari
Shadow of the Pain
Posted - 2011.03.09 16:46:00 - [31]
 

Originally by: Cearain
Edited by: Cearain on 09/03/2011 16:09:36
A week seems a short time. How do you know they even read the eve-mail?

Also my question is *why* is it now cut off. Not describe the cut off deadline. It seems pretty arbitrary.

Since it is clear at this point the Dierdra Vaal is not accepting all the candidates submissions, I would ask that it be unstickied. It's not fair that ccp stickies the views of some candidates and not others.

If all the candidates can contribute to this, and arbitrary deadlines that may have been enforced in a biased way, are not preventing anyone from submitting their views then I have no objection to the sticky.




I think I can answer that simply.

If you can't bother to check your mails during a candidacy campaign, how the hell are you gonna manage when you even get elected to represent people.
First thing I always do on all my accounts when logging in is check mails. My corpmates know this and they know they can talk as much as they want, my mails first.

As to the cut off. Equally simple. Candidates has sufficient time to respond and fill out the form. If they can't be bothered to either read their mails or fill out a form why would others bother to keep everything open?
A service was offered to those who didn't get onto the form. They, for some reason, didn't take up the offer and as such aren't included.

Simple enough?

Cearain
Caldari
The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
Posted - 2011.03.09 17:42:00 - [32]
 

Edited by: Cearain on 09/03/2011 17:43:07
Originally by: Killer Gandry
Originally by: Cearain
Edited by: Cearain on 09/03/2011 16:09:36
A week seems a short time. How do you know they even read the eve-mail?

Also my question is *why* is it now cut off. Not describe the cut off deadline. It seems pretty arbitrary.

Since it is clear at this point the Dierdra Vaal is not accepting all the candidates submissions, I would ask that it be unstickied. It's not fair that ccp stickies the views of some candidates and not others.

If all the candidates can contribute to this, and arbitrary deadlines that may have been enforced in a biased way, are not preventing anyone from submitting their views then I have no objection to the sticky.




I think I can answer that simply.

If you can't bother to check your mails during a candidacy campaign, how the hell are you gonna manage when you even get elected to represent people.
First thing I always do on all my accounts when logging in is check mails. My corpmates know this and they know they can talk as much as they want, my mails first.

As to the cut off. Equally simple. Candidates has sufficient time to respond and fill out the form. If they can't be bothered to either read their mails or fill out a form why would others bother to keep everything open?
A service was offered to those who didn't get onto the form. They, for some reason, didn't take up the offer and as such aren't included.

Simple enough?



Some players have real lives that sometimes may take them to places where they have no internet access for a week. And some players have real lives that means they do not even log in every week. Iím not sure that these candidates should automatically be ruled out. And yeah maybe a candidate canít get to answering your set of 40 questions in under a week.

Anyway Iím glad you have all sorts of time and log in checking your eve mail every day. But that is not a requirement of a good candidate.

Why do you think itís a bother to keep it open? The op never said it would be any sort of bother to allow those candidates to submit their views. I think the op doesnít like the candidates who didnít submit their answers so decided he would close it. CCP is giving this personís views of candidates he likes or doesnít like a top spot on the forum.

Bottom line: candidates were excluded from this (not just peter powers btw) and no good answer is offered as to why. CCP knows that, yet they are still going to give this persons biased website a top spot on the forum. Thatís not how you run an unbiased election.


Peter Powers
FinFleet
Raiden.
Posted - 2011.03.09 18:05:00 - [33]
 

Originally by: Cearain

Bottom line: candidates were excluded from this (not just peter powers btw) and no good answer is offered as to why.


i have to jump in here - as i explained, i decided not to put myself on that tool, because i think the selection of questions excludes people by ignoring their campaign topics in the questions.

imho the time that candidates had to fill in their information to this tool was ok, also its based on ccps schedule from announcement to voting etc.

if a candidate does not find the time in a week - which is the main campaign week, thats a different subject, and those candidates need to look at how important the hobby eve is to them, and if they can actually spare the time that the csm will require from 'em if they are voted in.

Anne Arqui
Minmatar
Diamonds in the Rough Enterprises
Posted - 2011.03.09 18:48:00 - [34]
 

I'll vote for the one who thinks we should be enabled to have a bloodline/race change. Now who's the one??

Kalrand
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.09 18:54:00 - [35]
 

As someone actually running for CSM, I've never heard of this website before today.

I've also had no interaction with the owner, and don't see why she's presenting this as some table of who you should vote for based on all of the CSM candidates' positions.

Dierdra Vaal
Caldari
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2011.03.09 19:01:00 - [36]
 

Edited by: Dierdra Vaal on 09/03/2011 19:07:40
Originally by: Cearain

Why do you think itís a bother to keep it open? The op never said it would be any sort of bother to allow those candidates to submit their views. I think the op doesnít like the candidates who didnít submit their answers so decided he would close it. CCP is giving this personís views of candidates he likes or doesnít like a top spot on the forum.

Bottom line: candidates were excluded from this (not just peter powers btw) and no good answer is offered as to why. CCP knows that, yet they are still going to give this persons biased website a top spot on the forum. Thatís not how you run an unbiased election.


Oh how wrong you are Rolling Eyes

The cut off date was set when I sent evemails to everyone, regardless of which candidates did or did not fill in. If you're campaigning for a seat on the CSM and you cannot manage to check your evemails once during that week then I'm sorry but I have to enable voting before the election starts. Even now voters only had a day to use the website BEFORE voting opened. Personally I feel a week during a promotion period should be sufficient for any candidate who is serious about wanting to get elected.

If you're donating money to have the system rewritten so candidates can ADD a profile but not EDIT an existing profile during the voting period, I'd happily give you my bank account.

As for implying I'm excluding candidates I don't like is ridiculous since I really hope Peter Powers will get elected, while there's several people who did make profiles whom I hope won't get elected.

Originally by: Kalrand
As someone actually running for CSM, I've never heard of this website before today.

I've also had no interaction with the owner, and don't see why she's presenting this as some table of who you should vote for based on all of the CSM candidates' positions.


You received an evemail from me with your login details on 2011.03.02 00:31, you also received a reminder evemail 2011.03.04 13:41. I'll happily provide screenshots of my Sent folder :)

Kalrand
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.09 19:06:00 - [37]
 

Originally by: Dierdra Vaal

Originally by: Kalrand
As someone actually running for CSM, I've never heard of this website before today.

I've also had no interaction with the owner, and don't see why she's presenting this as some table of who you should vote for based on all of the CSM candidates' positions.


You received an evemail from me with your login details on 2011.03.02 00:31, you also received a reminder email 2011.03.04 13:41. I'll happily provide screenshots of my Sent folder :)


If you had any idea how many eve-mails I get, you would know why that's a bad way to reach out to people.

A forum post will always attract my attention. Why was this the first announcement of this project?

Dierdra Vaal
Caldari
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2011.03.09 19:15:00 - [38]
 

Originally by: Kalrand
If you had any idea how many eve-mails I get, you would know why that's a bad way to reach out to people.

A forum post will always attract my attention. Why was this the first announcement of this project?


I'm sorry you didn't pay attention to your evemails. This is the first announcement of this project (this election round, there were announcements for the CSM5 and 4 elections too) because this is the part where it is useful for the community at large. I'm a bit surprised none of the other 4-5 goons mentioned this to you; the mittani was one of the first people to fill out his profile and I'm quite sure he too gets a lot of evemails.

Kalrand
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.09 19:19:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: Dierdra Vaal
Originally by: Kalrand
If you had any idea how many eve-mails I get, you would know why that's a bad way to reach out to people.

A forum post will always attract my attention. Why was this the first announcement of this project?


I'm sorry you didn't pay attention to your evemails. This is the first announcement of this project (this election round, there were announcements for the CSM5 and 4 elections too) because this is the part where it is useful for the community at large. I'm a bit surprised none of the other 4-5 goons mentioned this to you; the mittani was one of the first people to fill out his profile and I'm quite sure he too gets a lot of evemails.



If I was in league with those other goons for this election, I'm sure they would have mentioned it to me. I'm not. They didn't.

Something I've noticed in this game, is that when someone runs a site from year to year, they do eventually burn out. I don't take for granted that a player will run anything again, just because they have before.

Cearain
Caldari
The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
Posted - 2011.03.09 20:18:00 - [40]
 

DV
This is the first time you indicated it would cost extra money. How much extra would it cost to add a profile late? Who charges it? And can you offer a link to what you are talking about?

I guess I question this because the first time I asked why you won't add candidates you said nothing about money. It would seem that would be the obvious and easy first answer to my question, if it were true.

My evemail is constantly blinking because of agents telling me missions expire or some garbage about insurance etc. I and as you can see others that play this game do not always check their evemail. Checking your evemail is not a requirement to run. Moreover if someone came back from a business trip on the fifth day after you sent it, it is not really reasonable to assume they will get right to it.

Karland is yet another person that you seem to be excluding. If youíre saying it will cost more money to add new candidates explain this. If you are just excluding them because you donít like them, then that is something different. CCP shouldnít be promoting your own agenda in this campaign.

Osunn
Posted - 2011.03.09 22:14:00 - [41]
 

Thanks for the tool - it helped. As for the folks who did not respond to email, you are a poor politician.


Dierdra Vaal
Caldari
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2011.03.10 00:04:00 - [42]
 

Originally by: Cearain
This is the first time you indicated it would cost extra money. How much extra would it cost to add a profile late? Who charges it? And can you offer a link to what you are talking about?


No I'm saying in order to change the websites programming to allow candidates to be added later you're looking at at least a few full days' work. Time which I don't have, or at least not time I can just spend on that project.

Despite some of them being being very busy corp and alliance level CEOs, 45 candidates managed to fill in the survey in the week that was allotted to this. I was a director every time I ran and despite getting 40+ new mails every day (this was back when directors still got a mail for every person that applied to their corp) I was able to check my mails and act on/reply to them in a timely fashion. Now you may not like it, but I'm happy with the signup period and the messaging and it's not going to change. Checking your evemail is not a requirement to run but trust me, it becomes a requirement to be a good CSM once you're elected.

I'm not excluding anyone, people exclude themselves by not keeping track of their evemails and that is not my fault.

Shalamar Bladesinger
Posted - 2011.03.10 00:58:00 - [43]
 

Edited by: Shalamar Bladesinger on 10/03/2011 00:59:36
i went to use it and i got an error. all i did was answer the questions on what i want and got this. i am posting this since i don;t know were else it would go since it relates to this site. i also wrote down the time that it broke for me too. i tried e-mailing them, but for a mail demon error. here is what it said:

Internal Server Error

The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request. Please contact the server administrator, webmaster@match.eve-csm.com and inform them of the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that may have caused the error. More information about this error may be available in the server error log.

it happened at 1:39PM CST(-6 UTC)

Imigo Montoya
Wildly Inappropriate
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.10 01:52:00 - [44]
 

Originally by: Cearain
*snip*


This is a non-issue. CCP had all sorts of requirements for candidates like filling in the forms, providing passport details, formatting the candidate's blurb, all of which had deadlines. These deadlines have been added for technical and administrative purposes, it really is that simple.

This service is no different.

Major Lucky
Posted - 2011.03.10 02:00:00 - [45]
 

Great Product Thank you !!!!!!

Linna Excel
Posted - 2011.03.10 03:16:00 - [46]
 

I tried using it, but I ended up getting a 500 error. :\

Cearain
Caldari
The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
Posted - 2011.03.10 03:23:00 - [47]
 

Originally by: Imigo Montoya
Originally by: Cearain
*snip*


This is a non-issue. CCP had all sorts of requirements for candidates like filling in the forms, providing passport details, formatting the candidate's blurb, all of which had deadlines. These deadlines have been added for technical and administrative purposes, it really is that simple.

This service is no different.


CCP enforced those requirements to make sure the enforcement was not done in an arbitrary or biased way. Not so with this. Who gets to post their views on this site is totally up to the arbitrary and biased views of one player.

Nyabinghi
Minmatar
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
Posted - 2011.03.10 03:26:00 - [48]
 

Just wanted to say thank you for this useful tool in helping me decide who to vote for.

Thank you, your effort is appreciated.

Varnik
Proposition Thirteen
The Third Rail
Posted - 2011.03.10 03:46:00 - [49]
 

Originally by: Linna Excel
I tried using it, but I ended up getting a 500 error. :\


Me too with 2 different browsers

Alteran Commander
Posted - 2011.03.10 04:09:00 - [50]
 

Thanks for the help. I still wish I could do a preference vote though Smile

Habaticus
Gallente
Posted - 2011.03.10 05:16:00 - [51]
 

Great tool - Thanks

Darius III
Caldari
Interstellar eXodus
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2011.03.10 08:09:00 - [52]
 

Funny, I took the survey and it said to vote for

Joseph Ward Morris as Darius III

He was singled out as best candidate.

Weird-it said he was 100% compatible....

Dierdra Vaal
Caldari
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2011.03.10 09:28:00 - [53]
 

Sorry guys, server errors will happen occasionally as my little server strains under the load. Pressing F5 after 30 seconds or so should fix it :)

Sapphire Fangborn
Gallente
Posted - 2011.03.10 10:08:00 - [54]
 

I'm a new player, just upgraded my trial acct. :) Found the link very useful, so it looks like Kumi Katana will get my vote! I'm very excited about the coming Incarna expansion; all good space operas have live people in them after all!

Cheers,

Sapph

Ms PacMan
Caldari
Eye of God
Intergalactic Exports Group
Posted - 2011.03.11 02:59:00 - [55]
 

The questions didn't match my campaign, so i did not participate.

Next year i would like to see some other questions in vote match or have the community pick the questions.

Kind regards.

Ms PacMan


Cassus Temon
Aliastra
Posted - 2011.03.11 07:10:00 - [56]
 

Well.. appreciate the insight; but that was absolutely useless for me.

Best match was Mike Azaria at 63%; and down the list from there. The problem however, is that each canditate; either feels strongly, opposing me, about something, or identifies something as important, while opposing my opinion. Some of these are non-issues; but others, I can't agree with. Good.. good.. goo.. bad.. bad.. bad... Crap! Which tells me I shouldn't vote for anyone.

Nerf Titan Jump Bridges? Couldn't care less! Nerf Sov Jump Bridges? You bet your ass!

CCP should spend all it's time improving nullsec? Not likely.

CCP should develop an entire expansion to improving the UI? I'm sure Trebor would love this; I however, do not, and think not. Some time? part of an expansion? Sure, why not.

..oh yeah.. let's make everything keyboard short cut's, and clickies; so it can be fully hackable. Good idea! yeah.. right. I don't think so.

Let's see.. what else was there?


How about, a monthly rebalance of ships and weapons? Nope. I agree, it should be done; but I'm not going to agree with anyone who feels strongly about it; much less, concludes that it is 'Very Important.' Once would be great; followed again, in six years, or six months. Whichever comes first.

..let's not waste any more time than we have too.

Lot's more. Can't remember it all.

Site was running fine by the way; didn't have any lag whatsoever. ..maybe it was just quiet time :)

Cheers,

Temon


Daneel Trevize
Gallente
Posted - 2011.03.11 10:53:00 - [57]
 

Filled in form, hit submit

Quote:
Notice: Undefined index: grid in /home/fhlinux130/m/match.eve-csm.com/user/htdocs/step_3.php on line 65 Fatal error: Call to a member function getQuestions() on a non-object in /home/fhlinux130/m/match.eve-csm.com/user/htdocs/step_3.php on line 36


Go back, form's reset. RAGE! Evil or Very Mad

Cearain
Caldari
The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
Posted - 2011.03.11 14:49:00 - [58]
 

Originally by: Cassus Temon
Well.. appreciate the insight; but that was absolutely useless for me.

Best match was Mike Azaria at 63%; and down the list from there. The problem however, is that each canditate; either feels strongly, opposing me, about something, or identifies something as important, while opposing my opinion. Some of these are non-issues; but others, I can't agree with. Good.. good.. goo.. bad.. bad.. bad... Crap! Which tells me I shouldn't vote for anyone.


If the website had not excluded certain candidates, it would be very nice.

It is really the only mechanism that tells you how these candidates will actually vote on proposals. The campaign posts herein Jita are mostly fluff.

Of course if someone says they ďdisagreeĒ that ccp have one thing be a priority over all others and you think they should Ė well that may cause a big discrepancy in the percentage. Maybe that candidate thinks ccp should spend allot of their time on that but not more than everything else therefore they disagree.

It was pointed out that these sorts of questions cause problems to the mechanic if they are answered honestly. So you have to sort it out for yourself and not just go by the percentage. If someone ďagreesĒ ďagrees stronglyĒ to one thing being a priority over everything else then the only truly honest answers to the rest these sorts of priority questions would be disagree or disagree strongly. But that doesnít necessarily give an accurate overall reading of their perspective.

Chinwe Rhei
Minmatar
Tribal Liberation Force
Posted - 2011.03.11 17:12:00 - [59]
 

Oh god the website is telling me to vote for seriousinternetpolitician.com.

Kumi Katana
Caldari
Perkone
Posted - 2011.03.14 03:25:00 - [60]
 

Originally by: Dierdra Vaal



Thanks for the website Dierdra! This should help a lot of capsuleers to vote for those that come closest to their needs. Although unfortunately a lot still will have some difficulties.


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