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Mr Mickey
Posted - 2011.03.07 13:42:00 - [1]
 

There are plenty of topic surrounding BOTS in eve and the damage they do to the game. Unless you use bots you will not like them!

Therefor i propose we use this topic to put forth ideas / suggestions to assist resolve the problem.

Rules for topic
1 - please be contructive
2 - ideas that are technical to help stop botting
3 - ideas that focus on underlying issues for botting

1 - My suggestion would be to put a captcha code on the login screen - stoping bots automatically logging in after downtime / system crash.

2 - The drop down menus are randomised at login. This would assist resolve screen/mouse location macros. Although could be somewhat anoying!!



shady trader
Posted - 2011.03.07 14:11:00 - [2]
 

You forgot the main criteria, does not negatively impact on real players to much, this is the one that CCP consider before making any changes.

Your first idea will not work. The bots are managed by people so the person can do the log in. Also Catcha have been beaten by the bots for years, two years ago you could buy them with over 60% accuracy in solving catacha's on web pages.

As for the menu, not sure that effect that would have for long on the bots since they can read the text of the command. However it would prove very annoying to players like myself who tend to remember commands based on their position.

This is not the first thread to try and gather idea's to stop macro's they normally die within a day or two after people post idea's that have been beaten to death several times like catcha.

As every game designer who has worked on a MMPOG will know, you cannot stop the bots you can only limit their value.

As for suggestions, perimi-ban players and all their accounts when they are court buying isk or otherwise profiting form bot farming. Kill demand and the people behind the bots will move to a more profitable game.

Zasx
Posted - 2011.03.07 17:56:00 - [3]
 

Please Please fix mining get rid of the bots.
I, as a miner who uses multiple accounts but does not use bots, would like to see something a bit more randomized and interactive while doing mining. I wanted to get into production as well but the prices people sell things are so low it honestly is not worth my time. These bots are killing almost all aspects of being a non combat pilot. We need something like a mini-game where you maybe solve a simple puzzle to I don't know, align the mining crystals. Or some sort of manual visual targeting or calibration.


The problem I am seeing is:
These mining mission and salvage bots are killing the prices on the items they acquire.
I have months of training invested in my two pilots.
I get shot at or wined at by players looking to scam or for easy targets.
The career path has little reward for long tedious boring effort.
The price of ore has hit rock bottom. I can make easily twice as much money running DED's and eight times more money doing worm holes.
Honestly I might just stop paying for a second account and petition for a SP refund for my main so I can put that into combat skills. Sigh If I only had it to do over again and could erase the last year. Yes, I know someone will flame me. Thanks ahead of time, if they fix this bot problem I will look forward to charging you more. (WINK)

Van Derka
Posted - 2011.03.08 08:21:00 - [4]
 

CCP write an algorithm which tests mining and missioning behaviour.
Anyone who meets the criteria get flagged and....pop.

pod appears in home station and a popup appears.

CONCORD NOTIFICATION
Your behaviour has been identified as a risk
Your ship has been impounded.
You will be notified of the outcome of the
investigation within 24 hours.

Have a petition spefically for being CONCORDED for botting.

This has always been an option for CCP... the question is, why haven't they done it already?.. even with a 23 hour delay.
Sure, there will be a few false positives, but eveb if it stop 100 bots for every false, thats manageable.

Lork Niffle
Gallente
External Hard Drive
Posted - 2011.03.08 10:38:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Van Derka
CCP write an algorithm which tests mining and missioning behaviour.
Anyone who meets the criteria get flagged and....pop.

pod appears in home station and a popup appears.

CONCORD NOTIFICATION
Your behaviour has been identified as a risk
Your ship has been impounded.
You will be notified of the outcome of the
investigation within 24 hours.

Have a petition spefically for being CONCORDED for botting.

This has always been an option for CCP... the question is, why haven't they done it already?.. even with a 23 hour delay.
Sure, there will be a few false positives, but eveb if it stop 100 bots for every false, thats manageable.


If you are combating bots there are a few things that must be acheived.

It must have zero false positives. That is the only acceptable number.

It must in no way negatively impact real players, checks, captchas etc impact us negatively, they do not impact bots at all.

Since mining as a concept at the moment is a method based on pure repetition then the only solution is to change the mechanics of mining to require human thought and become dynamic. No other method will work.

Cruthensis
Gallente
Xeno Tech Corp
Self Destruct.
Posted - 2011.03.08 10:52:00 - [6]
 

Subtle anti-bot technique:

For any character which is logged in and constantly active for over 10 hours (or some other amount), every single day, without fail, flag the character [Potential bot].

Now, for each [Potential bot] on random occasions, randomly multiply the damage that belt rats do to their ships by some large amount. Eg: some hours into their mining, a particular spawn of NPCs will do 10x normal damage (or more) to their mining ship.

This needs to be balanced to be enough to kill their ship, provided they fail to react. You could build in some sort of delay, such that sheilds are quickly shot to 50%, then a pause - enough to align and dock - then you're finished off, fast.

At the keyboard players will notice this and do something about it. Semi-afk players may well get caught out (but only if they play one heck of a lot!), but bots would routinely get their ships smashed up.

Botting "players" aren't about to invite GM/CCP scrutiny by petitioning the loss and if they do, you permaban. Genuine players who do semi-afk mine for >10 hours per day (every day, for weeks one end?!) can petition and explain their case, get deflagged and carry on playing (though this would then make their character immune "botable", so we'd have to address that issue)

I first had this idea about L4 isk selling mission farmers. Once flagged for excessive NPC ship kills (some ludicrous amount only ISK farms can manage), random missions would pulverise their ships - petitions would result in permaban. Missioning would be much less profitable for them as they would never know when their ship would be toasted - no more CNRs, no more T2 gear, lots more module purchaes.
You could ramp up the toasting frequency on persistent attempts to farm on the same character, such that the character becomes basically unusable for missions.

Belfelmalak
Posted - 2011.03.08 11:51:00 - [7]
 

CCP doesn't install any softwhere to detect bots or permaban accounts that have been caught. The only reasonable excuse for this is that they don't really care. Bots buy plex and provide revenue. I don't believe CCP wants to change that. I wish they did but the fact remains that little is done to prevent it.


 

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