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Josef Huffenpuff
Caldari
Posted - 2011.03.08 11:21:00 - [31]
 

Confirming I'm an alt, but my mains will vote for Trebor. (and Seleene tbh)


Bayushi Akemi
Posted - 2011.03.08 11:43:00 - [32]
 

I listened to the podcast debate. Trebor had some good ideas, but sounded like he was standing on a soapbox. I'm sure he has been an effective member of CSM5, however, politicking is not something we need. Nor do we need what appears to be really terrible, potentially game breaking ideas like a pinball doomsday weapon.

There is no podcast for The Mittani yet, but I'd rather wait to hear what he has to say before shooting him down because of the corp he's in or because someone in his corp wanted to bring up some points that I have yet to see elsewhere on the forums.

Killer Gandry
Caldari
Shadow of the Pain
Posted - 2011.03.08 12:02:00 - [33]
 

Originally by: Bayushi Akemi

There is no podcast for The Mittani yet, but I'd rather wait to hear what he has to say before shooting him down because of the corp he's in or because someone in his corp wanted to bring up some points that I have yet to see elsewhere on the forums.


Reading the arrogance of The Mittani alone about how he's the saviour and will change everything because he's godlike is enough for me.

If I want to hear people like that I can just listen to certain politicians which I also don't take serious.

Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
Posted - 2011.03.08 12:21:00 - [34]
 

So let me get this straight: He would like changes to the stale and stagnant status quo to promote in-game conflict, cooperation and make Eve more of a challenge for the individual player.

Sounds like a truly horrible guy!!!!!111

Say no to anyone who wants alternatives uber-blobs funded by passive income and bots! So sayeth the Kitten .. errr, Mittens.

Lazy ass null-sec.

HeroInAHalfShell
Posted - 2011.03.08 14:13:00 - [35]
 

Edited by: ******AHalfShell on 08/03/2011 14:14:07
Originally by: Killer Gandry
Originally by: ******AHalfShell

How is being concerned about the character of Trebor an automatic vote for The Mittani? There are other people running, right? You guys are insane!


Why do you need to jump on it asif your life depended on it to point out it isn't an automatic vote for The Mittani.

To be clear. I am a 0.0 resident.
I am part of the NC
I don't want to see Goons in the CSM
And on a personal note which doesn't reflect my corporations stance.
I do actually not want to see Goons anywhere but in Jita.


I don't think my life depends on it (I play eve, so haha life etc) but:

You are posting as if it is an auto Mittani vote because - well, I don't know, but I guess it has something to do with hating Goons - but it isn't, so I am letting you know. I don't think this is something you should have an embolism over. You may disagree (I mean you are not exactly averse to hyperbole) but I think you're getting scared about something that isn't an issue.

If the only comeback to these claims is that I should vote for Trebor because it will upset the goonies then I don't think you are making a very strong case for your guy (I assume he is your guy, but maybe you are just posting in this angry manner because you think that not voting for Trebor is a vote for Mittani? Hehehehe).

edet for grammer

Berrik Radhok
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.08 14:32:00 - [36]
 

If you can't explain why any of Trebor's ideas are good with a straight face then you shouldn't be posting in this thread to support him.

HeroInAHalfShell
Posted - 2011.03.08 14:38:00 - [37]
 

See here for an example in his own thread where he is either incompetent or lying. This sums up better than anything else why I don't want him on the CSM (and the poster is very pretty too)

Killer Gandry
Caldari
Shadow of the Pain
Posted - 2011.03.08 14:53:00 - [38]
 

All I see is Goons and Goons alts trying to get ahead by smearing.

Nothing really new here.


Minerva Seraph
Caldari
Perkone
Posted - 2011.03.08 18:32:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: Hirana Yoshida
So let me get this straight: He would like changes to the stale and stagnant status quo to promote in-game conflict, cooperation and make Eve more of a challenge for the individual player.

Sounds like a truly horrible guy!!!!!111

Say no to anyone who wants alternatives uber-blobs funded by passive income and bots! So sayeth the Kitten .. errr, Mittens.

Lazy ass null-sec.


Mittani's campaign has stated thus far that he's in favour of re-balancing moon materials (again), despite apparently feeding his minions on the teet of his moon income. Hate him for his personality and his arrogance, but don't knock him for his positions if you don't understand them.

Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2011.03.08 18:57:00 - [40]
 

Edited by: Jade Constantine on 08/03/2011 19:23:41

All the words typed in the op would be better expressed by this single image (you'll have to google invasion of the body snatchers to properly understand the context if you are 11 or something.)

Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.


Berrik Radhok
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.08 19:42:00 - [41]
 

Originally by: Jade Constantine
Edited by: Jade Constantine on 08/03/2011 19:23:41

All the words typed in the op would be better expressed by this single image (you'll have to google invasion of the body snatchers to properly understand the context if you are 11 or something.)

Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.




Don't you have some more gay Gallente erotica you're supposed to be writing?

Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2011.03.08 19:46:00 - [42]
 

Originally by: Berrik Radhok
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Edited by: Jade Constantine on 08/03/2011 19:23:41

All the words typed in the op would be better expressed by this single image (you'll have to google invasion of the body snatchers to properly understand the context if you are 11 or something.)

Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.




Don't you have some more gay Gallente erotica you're supposed to be writing?


I'm guessing that means it was a pretty direct hit on the old collective ego Very Happy
Sensitive little flowers you chaps turned out to be!

Minerva Seraph
Caldari
Perkone
Posted - 2011.03.08 20:08:00 - [43]
 

Originally by: Berrik Radhok
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Edited by: Jade Constantine on 08/03/2011 19:23:41

All the words typed in the op would be better expressed by this single image (you'll have to google invasion of the body snatchers to properly understand the context if you are 11 or something.)

Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.




Don't you have some more gay Gallente erotica you're supposed to be writing?


She's not even running and you're mudslinging. Care to post substance to this allegation?

(is it... yuri?)

Jade: This is an example of some of the worst kinds of discourse. In that other thread, I can appreciate your positions, but how is a former chair helping to shape the only democracy that matters in eve by posting crappy image macros?

:(

Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2011.03.08 20:11:00 - [44]
 

I consider it an entirely on topic, concise and pointed TL:DR of the op post. If you don't understand the context then I suggest you check out the movie from your local dvd store.

Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.08 20:34:00 - [45]
 

Originally by: Jade Constantine

I'm guessing that means it was a pretty direct hit on the old collective ego Very Happy
Sensitive little flowers you chaps turned out to be!



trebor supporters literally believe an image macro is a direct hit to goonswarm's collective ego

this is probably the most damning evidence against him

Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.08 20:35:00 - [46]
 

like there's no way that could even be a hit to anyone's ego even if we cared what someone who roleplays a spacehooker thought; it's not insulting in the least

Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.08 20:36:00 - [47]
 

i apologize my memory failed me: roleplays as a space hooker and space madam of a space *****house

Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2011.03.08 20:40:00 - [48]
 


That triple post is you literally turning over in the harbour with a broadside full of holes below the waterline ...

You know that don't you?

Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.08 20:42:00 - [49]
 

Originally by: Jade Constantine

That triple post is you literally turning over in the harbour with a broadside full of holes below the waterline ...

You know that don't you?


i triple post to show I can

Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.08 20:43:00 - [50]
 

try it: your inferior posting skills won't let you do it

Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.08 20:44:00 - [51]
 

ccp's forums will recognize you as an inferior poster and require the forums to recover before suffering the insult of another post of yours

Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.08 20:45:00 - [52]
 

goonwaffe GARPA posting technology is state-of-the-art

xttz
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.08 20:50:00 - [53]
 

Originally by: Cearain
Actually that would be the mittani who refuses to answer questions about his past and current statements.

Did he call the current csm a crop of idiots?

Did he post that it wasn't until recently that ccp actually claimed they would start listening to csm?

He claims that csm has no input on the development of the game (well then whats the point?) But he says they need to come together to be powerfull.

Does he think he will get a consensus on csm by calling all the other candidates liars?

I mean itís not like he even needs to campaign. Plenty of good little goony lemmings will vote for him. So why start out by calling all those on the csm with you liars and idiots?

Is it his inflated self worth that allows him to blithely ignore common sense?



Also, can he prove he was born in the USA and is in fact not a terrorist? THESE ARE IMPORTANT QUESTIONS THAT DEMAND ANSWERS

Minerva Seraph
Caldari
Perkone
Posted - 2011.03.08 21:02:00 - [54]
 

Originally by: Weaselior
try it: your inferior posting skills won't let you do it


Please stop this. It's dumb.

You too, Jade.

Let the people enjoy the politics and the drama. Not pooping on the discourse.

Johnathan Walker
Caldari
Posted - 2011.03.10 04:09:00 - [55]
 

Originally by: Courthouse
Shamelessly crossposted from goonfleet.com and presented to you here as a courtesy by Corps Diplomatique, because we're looking out for you :O'Reilly:

Be careful what you wish for...

Originally by: "Helen Highwater"
As loyal subjects of the Dear Leader we will all, [blah blah blah]






Curious:

In this and this thread quoting the supposed "Goonfleet.com" post, I happened to notice your copy curiously omits a few key phrases.

Did you edit your post? Why?
If you are going to cite your sources and yet edit them, how does anyone of us know that all which you say is accurate and pre-edit?

Courthouse
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.10 04:53:00 - [56]
 

Originally by: Johnathan Walker
Originally by: Courthouse
Shamelessly crossposted from goonfleet.com and presented to you here as a courtesy by Corps Diplomatique, because we're looking out for you :O'Reilly:

Be careful what you wish for...

Originally by: "Helen Highwater"
As loyal subjects of the Dear Leader we will all, [blah blah blah]






Curious:

In this and this thread quoting the supposed "Goonfleet.com" post, I happened to notice your copy curiously omits a few key phrases.

Did you edit your post? Why?
If you are going to cite your sources and yet edit them, how does anyone of us know that all which you say is accurate and pre-edit?


The part in quotations was not editorialized in any way. I bolded a different series of sentences for focus, but did not change any text, words or grammar.

For clarity, here's a c/p of the original post on goonfleet.com without bolding any parts. I have included the underlined two words that appeared in the original as well as the emoticon that we have on our forums but does not work here, in its original form.

Quote:
As loyal subjects of the Dear Leader we will all, of course, be casting our votes for the official GSF candidates in the CSM elections. This is almost guaranteed to get Mittens and Vile Rat comfy chairs near the window for the 6th CSM. However we should not only consider our duty in elevating these worthies to their rightful position but also to ensure that the company they find themselves in is conducive to convivial conversation. There are several candidates who are likely to get elected but who are utterly toxic to the CSM process.

Chief amongst these is Trebor Daehdoow. He's been quite possibly the most useless waste of flesh on CSM 5 and, thanks to his high-visiblity and that his idiocy has been largely camouflaged by the NDA, has built something of a following amongst the least perceptive parts of the Eve community. He has zero clue about how this game works but doesn't let his lack of knowledge get in the way of offering an opinion, he's also even more of an unfunny ***got in real life than he is on the internet - a feat that I didn't think was possible until I ended up trapped in a room with him for 8 hours a day. He wrote some PASCAL games back in the 80s and still believes that this gives him an insight into modern MMO development. He also has a Wikipedia page that he wrote himself. :cripes:

As this guy has a lot of name recognition going in to the election (he wrote most of the CSM communications that weren't done by either Teadaze or myself) he is very likely to get re-elected, he may even get the chair. This must not be allowed to happen. His weakness is game knowledge and I think it's important that he be challenged on this in his campaign thread to expose his cluelessness for all to see, he's pretty hard-headed and doesn't back down even when he has literally everybody else in the room telling him that he's wrong so this shouldn't be difficult.

Goonrushing his campaign thread will be too transparent, so don't do that. It's important that this is done from anonymous alts and phrased in ways that lead him to say dumb things himself rather than put him on the defensive.

Seriously, **** that guy.

Cassus Temon
Aliastra
Posted - 2011.03.10 07:40:00 - [57]
 

My personal 'gut' feeling; is that Trebor is dirty. I really don't have an opinion on Goon stance; but I did drop a vote for Mittani on my alt. Wouldn't vote for Vile Rat though; one Goon is enough, and it might as well be the one I might actually like.

Johnathan Walker
Caldari
Posted - 2011.03.10 11:40:00 - [58]
 

Edited by: Johnathan Walker on 10/03/2011 11:40:39
Originally by: Courthouse

The part in quotations was not editorialized in any way. I bolded a different series of sentences for focus, but did not change any text, words or grammar.




This IS A **LIE**.


Given the character limits of the forums, I'll summarize:

Original Post:
Quote:
he's also even more of an unfunny ***got in real life than he is on the internet - a feat that I didn't think was possible until I ended up trapped in a room with him for 8 hours a day.



Quote:
Goonrushing his campaign thread will be too transparent, so don't do that. It's important that this is done from anonymous alts and phrased in ways that lead him to say dumb things himself rather than put him on the defensive. Seriously, **** that guy.




Both are missing from your quote. To say no edits were done is false. Now that I've proven the issue, what claims do you make to back-pedal out of this one?

Mara Rinn
Posted - 2011.03.10 11:52:00 - [59]
 

Edited by: Mara Rinn on 10/03/2011 11:52:32
Originally by: Cassus Temon
My personal 'gut' feeling; is that Trebor is dirty.


That's called projection.

And +1 to Jade Constantine's "YOU ARE NOT A GOON" summary of this whole stupid thread :)

Andrea Griffin
Posted - 2011.03.10 17:11:00 - [60]
 

Edited by: Andrea Griffin on 10/03/2011 17:11:59
Originally by: Courthouse
He argued for a 'pinball' style Doomsday weapon change
Seems to me that he was talking about a weapon that would chain damage, from ship to ship, gradually decreasing. His exact words "Think of it as a giant pinball of pain bouncing through the grid." He wasn't actually advocating turning Eve into a pinball game.

Originally by: Courthouse
He wants to remove the ability to converse in local with a spam-timeout system (no more fofofofo chains, z0r, gfgfgf or ascii macro spam)
Yeah, because that's what Eve needs more of: ascii macro spam. Rolling Eyes Granted, I don't like the idea, but your biggest complaint is that you can't spam ascii? Seriously?

Originally by: Courthouse
Front loading the client with packets that are 'decrypted' at a later time that supposedly would be 'unreadable'
If there's a need to front load the client with important information, but not allow the client to read it until a certain time, then this is a way to do it. As long as the key is long enough it's perfectly secure. What's your problem with this?

Originally by: Courthouse
Fix blobs my making it so that you can't see anyone but the ships right next to you because of 'warp core interference'
I found this to be an interesting idea. In a way it breaks up a large gang into smaller areas of fighting. This brings a host of problems - being able to see what is on the field, where the snipers are, logistics having trouble projecting - and it doesn't fix big blob vs. small gang. But, at least the guy is being creative and thinking outside of the box. Even a bad idea has the potential to become a good idea over time.

Originally by: Courthouse
Allow 'shrink wrap' for more than just courier contracts
Yup, an idea proposed for, essentially, dynamically sized containers. That's so terrible. What is the world coming to?

Originally by: Courthouse
He wanted to remove the MWD/Cloak trick
Try reading it again. He wanted to allow certain ships to activate a cloak while still under gate cloak. There's nothing in there about preventing someone from using the MWD/Cloak trick.

Originally by: Courthouse
He's argued for and against changes to Local channel visibility.
Yeah, because after a year and a half between posts, he might not have had enough experience to change his mind?

Originally by: Courthouse
He wants the titan's Jump Portal to suck up everything around the titan, including the titan, itself, and jump it all to a cyno for a sneaky ambush trap ship
Yup, a tongue-in-cheek, goofing off thread for "funny" fixes to titan jump bridges...

TL;DR: Goons once again display their lack of character by lying and twisting the truth. Or, their inability to read. Probably both.


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