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Courthouse
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.07 09:05:00 - [1]
 

Shamelessly crossposted from goonfleet.com and presented to you here as a courtesy by Corps Diplomatique, because we're looking out for you :O'Reilly:

Be careful what you wish for...

Originally by: "Helen Highwater"
As loyal subjects of the Dear Leader we will all, of course, be casting our votes for the official GSF candidates in the CSM elections. This is almost guaranteed to get Mittens and Vile Rat comfy chairs near the window for the 6th CSM. However we should not only consider our duty in elevating these worthies to their rightful position but also to ensure that the company they find themselves in is conducive to convivial conversation. There are several candidates who are likely to get elected but who are utterly toxic to the CSM process.

Chief amongst these is Trebor Daehdoow. He's been quite possibly the most useless waste of flesh on CSM 5 and, thanks to his high-visiblity and that his idiocy has been largely camouflaged by the NDA, has built something of a following amongst the least perceptive parts of the Eve community. He has zero clue about how this game works but doesn't let his lack of knowledge get in the way of offering an opinion
He wrote some PASCAL games back in the 80s and still believes that this gives him an insight into modern MMO development. He also has a Wikipedia page that he wrote himself.

As this guy has a lot of name recognition going in to the election (he wrote most of the CSM communications that weren't done by either Teadaze or myself) he is very likely to get re-elected, he may even get the chair. This must not be allowed to happen. His weakness is game knowledge and I think it's important that he be challenged on this in his campaign thread to expose his cluelessness for all to see, he's pretty hard-headed and doesn't back down even when he has literally everybody else in the room telling him that he's wrong so this shouldn't be difficult.



I mean, if you live in empire and your biggest gripe with EVE is that you can't download a UI mod to make your sparklekestrel flight stick match your mind's eye hellokitty skin wrap, then you probably don't care about anything that would be of import to the CSM, so the 'UI guy' is a likely good vote.

If you live anywhere where your day-to-day concerns are more than 'do I have time to make one, or two, sandwiches while I autopilot to Jita' then this guy is going to be literal kryptonite for you as a rep.


Courthouse
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.07 09:06:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: Courthouse on 07/03/2011 09:09:00
Edited by: Courthouse on 07/03/2011 09:07:32
These have already been posted from a chatlog while I was discovering the depth of his lunacy, but I cleaned them up a bit for forumwhoring:

Quote:

He argued for a 'pinball' style Doomsday weapon change
He argued FOR the Dominion style sov changes, with smaller, expensive holdings that were easier to defend.
He wants to remove the ability to converse in local with a spam-timeout system (no more fofofofo chains, z0r, gfgfgf or ascii macro spam)
He's argued for highly exploitable features in the game with seemingly no understanding of game mechanics (especially as a self-claimed game developer)
Front loading the client with packets that are 'decrypted' at a later time that supposedly would be 'unreadable'
Fix blobs my making it so that you can't see anyone but the ships right next to you because of 'warp core interference' - Also Here
Don't ban RMT bots, remove CONCORD protection for them!
Allow 'shrink wrap' for more than just courier contracts - while this may be beneficial to goons because of the scamming opportunities, it essentially would destroy the contract system overall since none could be trusted.
He wanted to remove the MWD/Cloak trick
He's argued for and against changes to Local channel visibility.
He wants the titan's Jump Portal to suck up everything around the titan, including the titan, itself, and jump it all to a cyno for a sneaky ambush trap ship


Serious Internet Politician
www.seriousinternetpolitician.com
Posted - 2011.03.07 10:48:00 - [3]
 

People will see what they want to see and normally logical people with dismiss all evidence to contrary just to conform with everyone else. While I don't agree with everything Helen's said (he can be pretty witty and funny) I am constantly amazed with how my views of Trebor conflict with the majority of others. I'm often disgusted with how much of a politician he can be - especially when he won't state his stance on something (or writes something ambigious to deflect the topic) because it could reflect badly on his image, and his latent ability to twist reality into sensical lies, a lot of the candidates are prone to similar. This doesn't mean he can't be or wouldn't be useful on the CSM, there is always the paperwork and data entry, or temper rages to get attention to an issue.. waiiittt a seccconddd...


Serious. IP












The Mittani
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.07 11:06:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Serious Internet Politician
People will see what they want to see and normally logical people with dismiss all evidence to contrary just to conform with everyone else. While I don't agree with everything Helen's said (he can be pretty witty and funny) I am constantly amazed with how my views of Trebor conflict with the majority of others. I'm often disgusted with how much of a politician he can be - especially when he won't state his stance on something (or writes something ambigious to deflect the topic) because it could reflect badly on his image, and his latent ability to twist reality into sensical lies, a lot of the candidates are prone to similar. This doesn't mean he can't be or wouldn't be useful on the CSM, there is always the paperwork and data entry, or temper rages to get attention to an issue.. waiiittt a seccconddd...


Serious. IP



I suspect he'll succeed and win the chairmanship, since he has the endorsement of last year's chairwoman, plus he'll pick up the anti-nullsec vote. Crying or Very sad

Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari
Sane Industries Inc.
Posted - 2011.03.07 12:37:00 - [5]
 

It's almost like you guys are intentionally trying to push as many voters as possible his way.

Rhes
Minmatar
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.07 12:42:00 - [6]
 


HeroInAHalfShell
Posted - 2011.03.07 13:50:00 - [7]
 

Thanks for drawing attention to concrete failings, because the one thing I have noticed while reading his 'Re-elect me' thread is that he seems to be cherry-picking questions and avoiding anything where anyone calls him on his past comments.

I don't think that makes for a decent representative - if you want someone who can hold CCP's feet to the fire, he or she needs to be able to stand up to the same level of scrutiny

Zelda Wei
Caldari
New Horizon Trade Exchange
Posted - 2011.03.07 14:22:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: "Helen Highwater"

http://networkmarketingplaza.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/shooting-yourself-in-the-foot.jpg



Conclusive proof the goons will only represent their own narrow interests to the detriment of Eve overall.

Vote against goons spamming local.

Image changed to link. Navigator

Cearain
Caldari
The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
Posted - 2011.03.07 15:00:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: ******AHalfShell
Thanks for drawing attention to concrete failings, because the one thing I have noticed while reading his 'Re-elect me' thread is that he seems to be cherry-picking questions and avoiding anything where anyone calls him on his past comments.

I don't think that makes for a decent representative - if you want someone who can hold CCP's feet to the fire, he or she needs to be able to stand up to the same level of scrutiny


Actually that would be the mittani who refuses to answer questions about his past and current statements.

Did he call the current csm a crop of idiots?

Did he post that it wasn't until recently that ccp actually claimed they would start listening to csm?

He claims that csm has no input on the development of the game (well then whats the point?) But he says they need to come together to be powerfull.

Does he think he will get a consensus on csm by calling all the other candidates liars?

I mean it’s not like he even needs to campaign. Plenty of good little goony lemmings will vote for him. So why start out by calling all those on the csm with you liars and idiots?

Is it his inflated self worth that allows him to blithely ignore common sense?

He is ignoring these questions which were asked in his thread because they pretty much expose his buffoonery.

But whatever, if the null sec alliance leaders get elected it will revert to the days when they used to control csm – i.e., csm won’t matter anyway.


HeroInAHalfShell
Posted - 2011.03.07 15:26:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Cearain
Originally by: ******AHalfShell
Thanks for drawing attention to concrete failings, because the one thing I have noticed while reading his 'Re-elect me' thread is that he seems to be cherry-picking questions and avoiding anything where anyone calls him on his past comments.

I don't think that makes for a decent representative - if you want someone who can hold CCP's feet to the fire, he or she needs to be able to stand up to the same level of scrutiny


Actually that would be the mittani who refuses to answer questions about his past and current statements.

Did he call the current csm a crop of idiots?

Did he post that it wasn't until recently that ccp actually claimed they would start listening to csm?

He claims that csm has no input on the development of the game (well then whats the point?) But he says they need to come together to be powerfull.

Does he think he will get a consensus on csm by calling all the other candidates liars?

I mean it’s not like he even needs to campaign. Plenty of good little goony lemmings will vote for him. So why start out by calling all those on the csm with you liars and idiots?

Is it his inflated self worth that allows him to blithely ignore common sense?

He is ignoring these questions which were asked in his thread because they pretty much expose his buffoonery.

But whatever, if the null sec alliance leaders get elected it will revert to the days when they used to control csm – i.e., csm won’t matter anyway.




What does this have to do with the efficacy of Trebor?

I'm voting for Kalrand at this point, but rage away, I guess.

Cearain
Caldari
The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
Posted - 2011.03.07 16:57:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: ******AHalfShell
What does this have to do with the efficacy of Trebor?

I'm voting for Kalrand at this point, but rage away, I guess.


The original post is:
Originally by: Courthouse
Shamelessly crossposted from goonfleet.com and presented to you here as a courtesy by Corps Diplomatique, because we're looking out for you :O'Reilly:


I don't care who you vote for. But if you are going to join in a goon thread attacking someone, don't be surprised if someone points out the goon candidate is worse than their intended target.


And, in any event, you failed to mention what specific questions Trebor was supposedly dodging.

HeroInAHalfShell
Posted - 2011.03.07 17:12:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Cearain
Originally by: ******AHalfShell
What does this have to do with the efficacy of Trebor?

I'm voting for Kalrand at this point, but rage away, I guess.


The original post is:
Originally by: Courthouse
Shamelessly crossposted from goonfleet.com and presented to you here as a courtesy by Corps Diplomatique, because we're looking out for you :O'Reilly:


I don't care who you vote for. But if you are going to join in a goon thread attacking someone, don't be surprised if someone points out the goon candidate is worse than their intended target.


And, in any event, you failed to mention what specific questions Trebor was supposedly dodging.


Are you serious? Here's a hint: all the questions he has not answered are the questions he has not answered. It isn't my job to keep on top of those - I'm not claiming that I am a suitable CSM candidate (I am not).

I guess what you are saying is that in a 'goon thread' even if stuff makes sense I should expect people like you to contribute irrelevant and angry posts? Okay, I'll take that into consideration.

So now that I'm not surprised, please explain how your post is relevant in any way other than that it gives you a chance to say 'I hate goons' while presumably attempting to do damage control for Trebor.

Hint: it isn't


roho816
Wife Aggro Productions
Posted - 2011.03.07 17:44:00 - [13]
 

I've got no dog in this show, and while "prevent goons from spamming local" isn't exactly a compelling reason to not vote for the guy, the goons do bring up an interesting list of things that ARE concerning.

Trebor sounds like he'd support something that sounds good, without thinking it all the way through. CCP does that by themselves enough (hi technetium!); if there's one thing everyone agrees the CSM is supposed to do its weed out the bad ideas or at least provide the dire warning that 'things will break.'

Add to that his penchant for deflection and I can't support him to be consistent or to do serious critical thinking on issues. Not sure who I'm going to vote for, but it has to be someone with a clear head on their shoulders.

Virtuozzo
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2011.03.07 18:33:00 - [14]
 

The Ankh Effect.



Habaticus
Gallente
Posted - 2011.03.07 18:42:00 - [15]
 

Vote for Trebor - keep CSM relevant

Don't be fooled by the Goon propaganda drones in lock step like Courtroom and Halfhead. They will treat the CSM like they treat all their interactions: Blow It Up


Sturmwolke
Posted - 2011.03.07 19:35:00 - [16]
 

Those are seriously, compelling evidences. He's a complete idiot.
Therefore I shall agree with the Goons and vote for Trebor - that would be the true Goon™ way!

My only regret was not joining the Goons when I started my career, alas it is too late now Sad
Be assured however, I'm a true goon at heart even when I'm not joined to the mother hive.

Mashie Saldana
Minmatar
Veto Corp
Posted - 2011.03.07 21:07:00 - [17]
 

Vote Trebor, troll the goons.

Cearain
Caldari
The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
Posted - 2011.03.07 21:15:00 - [18]
 

Edited by: Cearain on 07/03/2011 21:15:31
Hero-in-ahalfshell: Trebor is dodging questions
Cearain: which ones?

Originally by: ******AHalfShell
Are you serious? Here's a hint: all the questions he has not answered are the questions he has not answered. It isn't my job to keep on top of those - I'm not claiming that I am a suitable CSM candidate (I am not).


Ah ok thank you for your contribution to this thread. Rolling Eyes

edit: the forum didn't want me to post your name for some reason.

Killer Gandry
Caldari
Shadow of the Pain
Posted - 2011.03.07 21:57:00 - [19]
 

Not all 0.0 people want to see The Mittani in a CSM seat. I think that's only reserved by those who miss some chromosomes.

The fact alone that Goons are trying to keep people from voting for Trebor should be proof enough that the Asylum inmates fear him.

As for The Mittani. I know Blimps that hold less hot air than him. He is so used to the sheep following his every command that he really thinks that wolves would follow him too.


HeroInAHalfShell
Posted - 2011.03.07 22:10:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Cearain
Edited by: Cearain on 07/03/2011 21:15:31
Hero-in-ahalfshell: Trebor is dodging questions
Cearain: which ones?

Originally by: ******AHalfShell
Are you serious? Here's a hint: all the questions he has not answered are the questions he has not answered. It isn't my job to keep on top of those - I'm not claiming that I am a suitable CSM candidate (I am not).


Ah ok thank you for your contribution to this thread. Rolling Eyes

edit: the forum didn't want me to post your name for some reason.


I would go look here if you're still having trouble finding those questions he's avoiding answering. If you want me to tell you what to think then I would suggest you calm down and do some reading and make up your own mind, like what I done did. If you don't want me to tell you what to think then why would you believe anything I would tell you when you could source it yourself?

Sorry if that is kind of content-free but you didn't really give the impression of someone who had come here to do anything other than whine about something that is tangential at best.


HeroInAHalfShell
Posted - 2011.03.07 22:13:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Killer Gandry
Not all 0.0 people want to see The Mittani in a CSM seat. I think that's only reserved by those who miss some chromosomes.

The fact alone that Goons are trying to keep people from voting for Trebor should be proof enough that the Asylum inmates fear him.

As for The Mittani. I know Blimps that hold less hot air than him. He is so used to the sheep following his every command that he really thinks that wolves would follow him too.




How is being concerned about the character of Trebor an automatic vote for The Mittani? There are other people running, right? You guys are insane!

Killer Gandry
Caldari
Shadow of the Pain
Posted - 2011.03.07 22:45:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: ******AHalfShell

How is being concerned about the character of Trebor an automatic vote for The Mittani? There are other people running, right? You guys are insane!


Why do you need to jump on it asif your life depended on it to point out it isn't an automatic vote for The Mittani.

To be clear. I am a 0.0 resident.
I am part of the NC
I don't want to see Goons in the CSM
And on a personal note which doesn't reflect my corporations stance.
I do actually not want to see Goons anywhere but in Jita.

Camios
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2011.03.07 23:19:00 - [23]
 

Oh so now goons hate Trebor, and write bull**** about him.

I'm definitely going to vote for Trebor!!


Bomberlocks
Minmatar
CTRL-Q
Posted - 2011.03.07 23:30:00 - [24]
 

If there was ever a way to get more players to vote for Trebor, I haven't heard of it. Some random Goon above wrote, "Be careful what you wish for....". Indeed.

Courthouse
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.08 03:27:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Camios
Oh so now goons hate Trebor, and write bull**** about him.

I'm definitely going to vote for Trebor!!




I resent the implication that anything I wrote was manufactured or bull****. I have provided links to posts made by Trebor and a quote from a CSM 5 rep and made no recommendations as to where your vote(s) should go.

I merely pointed out the hypocrisy of the terrible players who bandy behind Trebor as if he's some sort of messiah when in fact his ideas and platform are very likely going to make your EVE experience /worse/.

In CSM5 he was a recorder and editor and his "recommendations" all reflect that he put a basement dweller's level if interest and work into the menial tasks that no one else wanted to do, which is remarkable, if only to note that he's a perfect secretary, but he's not exemplified himself as a leader, someone who can prioritize tasks and delegate work to attain success, coupled with gameplay ideas that can only be described as CCP'esque'.

My hope is that people will see him for the sham he is and spare your votes for other more deserving candidates that will better represent your own selfish interests, as a democratic system demands.

Thus far people have been very receptive to this and I look forward to seeing more deserving candidates on CSM6.

PC l0adletter
Posted - 2011.03.08 03:34:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Camios
Oh so now goons hate Trebor, and write bull**** about him.

I'm definitely going to vote for Trebor!!



Confirming that this is an extremely bizarre way to rally support for someone.

No doubt this was what the goon hive mind intended....

...BUT WHY???


Serious Internet Politician
www.seriousinternetpolitician.com
Posted - 2011.03.08 09:26:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: PC l0adletter
Originally by: Camios
Oh so now goons hate Trebor, and write bull**** about him.

I'm definitely going to vote for Trebor!!



Confirming that this is an extremely bizarre way to rally support for someone.

No doubt this was what the goon hive mind intended....

...BUT WHY???




I doubt this was a sanctioned post. There is absolutely no doubt that Trebor was useful on the 5th CSM, he has just been awarded more credit that is his due. Alot of what made CSM5 successful is the other members, the CSMs new status, decisions within CCP itself and how they interact with the CSM. Don't get me wrong, Trebor contributed administratively for some things that needed to be done (and quite well), but giving him credit for things outside his control has created this uberversion of him that I just don't think is actual reality. If this image was intentionally crafted (whether by himself or Virt and Co) it is extremely diabolical and successful especially on SHC, and this is why he's deserving of credit.

Personally I'd like to see The Mittani and Trebor as co-chairpeople.

Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari
Sane Industries Inc.
Posted - 2011.03.08 09:46:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Serious Internet Politician
I doubt this was a sanctioned post.

That sounds dubious... How could it NOT have been sanctioned when Courthouse posts it on goonswarm forums and The Mittani starts using the quotes on SHC soon after?

Originally by: Serious Internet Politician
There is absolutely no doubt that Trebor was useful on the 5th CSM, he has just been awarded more credit that is his due. Alot of what made CSM5 successful is the other members, the CSMs new status, decisions within CCP itself and how they interact with the CSM. Don't get me wrong, Trebor contributed administratively for some things that needed to be done (and quite well), but giving him credit for things outside his control has created this uberversion of him that I just don't think is actual reality. If this image was intentionally crafted (whether by himself or Virt and Co) it is extremely diabolical and successful especially on SHC, and this is why he's deserving of credit.

While he has campaigned for his image like everyone else is supposed to do, it seems to have been very specific on differentiating what tasks HE did (e.g. crowdsourcing) and what CSM5 as a whole managed to do. That überversion is the product of angsty bees.

Payne666
Posted - 2011.03.08 09:55:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: The Mittani
Originally by: Serious Internet Politician
tralala

Serious. IP



I suspect he'll succeed and win the chairmanship, since he has the endorsement of last year's chairwoman, plus he'll pick up the anti-nullsec vote. Crying or Very sad


Damage control already....why I never.

Killer Gandry
Caldari
Shadow of the Pain
Posted - 2011.03.08 10:32:00 - [30]
 

What is more amazing is the amount of alts that pop up during these kinds of things which then go sling there dungheap opinions.

Those people must really suck badly or be overly concerned to be not posting with their mains.
This can have several reasons.

- The main trolled soo darn much in the passt so it lost it's credibility ages ago already.
- The main is afraid of being kicked out of it's current corp / alliance by some "fearless" leader.
- The main is such an insignificant speck that it's postings are just as insignificant and by hiding behind a new alt it want's to give it's postings a sort of importance.
- Some people metagame soo darn much they just can't do anything else than use new alts time and time again to keep the feeling of playing EVE.



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