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dexington
Caldari
Baconoration
Posted - 2011.03.20 16:30:00 - [151]
 

Edited by: dexington on 21/03/2011 01:01:35
@AristotleOnassis

I was looking are you spreadsheet, and i don't really understand how you are getting close to 250M isk/h. On average you use around 10 min all included pr missions and on average get 10K LP, 60K LP/h.

What is that average you make on isk rewards pr missions?, and what is you average bounty income pr mission?. The information may be in the spreadsheet, but i could'nt see it.

Sixtina KL
The Shoop Group
Posted - 2011.03.20 22:10:00 - [152]
 

Quote:
I'm not sure how to respond to this post! Maybe if I dismiss him as one of those 'trolls' I heard so much about, everything will be okay.


^ This thread

oldmanst4r
Minmatar
oldmanst4r's Corporation
Posted - 2011.03.20 22:18:00 - [153]
 

Originally by: Straight Edged
Quote:
Actually it isn't too flawed.. I didn't say nobody couldn't.. I said, the average pilot will probably not be able to do it. Again unless you have 12 trade alts all over the place and spend hours and hours undercutting and browsing the markets... But then.. add that time to the ISK/per hour plz... so i'd expect it to go down very fast :)


Mission running is the most deep gameplay in EVE.

Tons of research have been made by individual players. Try out every corp in the universe. Check their stores. run some. Find good web sites. 3-5K isk/LP could be done quite easily as long as you do enough research, and you could do it in large quantities (millions of millions of LP in volume)

The poop argument was simple.

Every nay sayer (mostly gallente, as they are known for being bad at mission running), says my isk/hour should be reduced, as i need to poop, i need to eat, i need to sleep, and i need to "take a break" by wasting time in Jita.

Im just saying that, if you really want to discount all these factors, you can poop while playing, eat while playing, and never take a break and get the isk/hour.

Its too rigorous to discount pooping time in isk/hour.

Sure, i poop twice a week, and theoratically if i make 300m isk/hour, i need to waste 20minutes for every 25200 minutes for pooping. But really. i cant really give a damn.


You really should be pooping more than twice a week and it shouldn't take twenty minutes. You need to eat more fiber and get some exercise.

AristotleOnassis
Posted - 2011.03.21 01:27:00 - [154]
 

Quote:
@AristotleOnassis

I was looking are you spreadsheet, and i don't really understand how you are getting close to 250M isk/h. On average you use around 10 min all included pr missions and on average get 10K LP, 60K LP/h.

What is that average you make on isk rewards pr missions?, and what is you average bounty income pr mission?. The information may be in the spreadsheet, but i could'nt see it.



my weighted average mission completion time is 6.2 minutes (at the bottom) (all included)

This translates to 90-100K LP per hour (around 180-500m isk/hour, depending on conversion)
Pure isk/hour is approximately 50-100m depending on mission from rewards and bounties

the weighted average numbers are all on the line below the mission list.

Crabs Collector
Posted - 2011.03.21 07:30:00 - [155]
 

Soooo, in average the shooting part take syou only 5,2 minutes (warping around takes a minute), and those give you average of 10k LP anyway? What do you mission with, one of those GM pods?

AristotleOnassis
Posted - 2011.03.21 07:35:00 - [156]
 

Please take a look at the attached file in the OP for individual mission completion times and LP payout.

And no. I only spend on average 0-4minutes shooting, and 2-3 minutes accepting mission, undocking, traveling, moving, jumping gates, ETC

dexington
Caldari
Baconoration
Posted - 2011.03.21 13:51:00 - [157]
 

Originally by: AristotleOnassis
my weighted average mission completion time is 6.2 minutes (at the bottom) (all included)

This translates to 90-100K LP per hour (around 180-500m isk/hour, depending on conversion)
Pure isk/hour is approximately 50-100m depending on mission from rewards and bounties

the weighted average numbers are all on the line below the mission list.



Quote:

My average completion time is 6.4 minutes , the variance is plus minus 0.07 minutes.
Average time spent traveling/accepting mission/rejecting mission/jumping gates/undocking is 4.2 minutes.



Does that not make the total time spend on one missions 10 min, on average. If so the LP/h would be closer to 60K.

AristotleOnassis
Posted - 2011.03.21 14:01:00 - [158]
 

6.4 minutes =/= 10 minutes.Rolling Eyes

dexington
Caldari
Baconoration
Posted - 2011.03.21 14:07:00 - [159]
 

Originally by: AristotleOnassis
6.4 minutes =/= 10 minutes.Rolling Eyes


6 min + 4 min = 10 min, or are you on average able to complete the mission in 2 min, and the 4 min travel, etc is included in the 6 min.

AristotleOnassis
Posted - 2011.03.21 14:10:00 - [160]
 

2-3 minutes shooting 3-4 minutes traveling. please look at the spreadsheet in the OP

dexington
Caldari
Baconoration
Posted - 2011.03.21 14:42:00 - [161]
 

So you are basically says that if you blitz missions, and try to sell the lp for 5 times the going rate you can make 250M isk/h. Okay, i guess i understand why most people in this tread are saying it does not work.

With a scheme like that i would stop doing the missions and just buy the lp items of the trade hubs, seeing how you are able to sell them a double the price of everyone else, why then go through all the trouble of doing the missions.

AristotleOnassis
Posted - 2011.03.21 14:48:00 - [162]
 

what are you talking about?

please read the first post.
153m isk/hour at 1K isk/lp - Liquidate Infinite LP / week
246m isk/hour at 2K isk/lp - Liquidate Max 10-20m LP / week
338m isk/hour at 3K isk/lp - Liquidate Max 10-20m LP / week
430m isk/hour at 4K isk/lp - Liquidate Max 5-10m LP / week
522m isk/hour at 5K isk/lp - Liquidate Max 2-3m LP / week

at 5x isk/lp it is 522m isk/hour

you cannot "buy" the item and expect to make profit, as the item itself already counts in the lowest-large-sell-order each ingredient of the item, ie, if you buy the item from the market, its already sold at the premium of whatever isk/lp, nullifying any gains.

u cant interchange items to lp into items
nor u can buy lp from players.
nor is letting everyone know what item to produce, is going to be able to retain your profit margins in the long run.

secrecy, prudency, and god speed is needed in taking oppurtunities yourself.

Cipher Jones
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.03.21 15:19:00 - [163]
 

Saying you can do something outrageous that you could prove with a few screenshots or one video and then not posting them is in fact trolling.

AristotleOnassis
Posted - 2011.03.21 15:58:00 - [164]
 

please look at the example, the 2nd attachment in the first page.

also please look at the first link to the old thread, on further data and calculations

Cipher Jones
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.03.21 16:31:00 - [165]
 

Originally by: AristotleOnassis
please look at the example, the 2nd attachment in the first page.

also please look at the first link to the old thread, on further data and calculations


I speak for most of when I say we could give 2 ****s about data and calculations when you could simply squash the beef with screenshots (yet don't).

AristotleOnassis
Posted - 2011.03.21 16:45:00 - [166]
 

Edited by: AristotleOnassis on 21/03/2011 16:46:35
Quote:
when you could simply squash the beef with screenshots


please look at the second link on the first page the 1620110306115017.jpg for the example.

Frau Klaps
Amarr
Posted - 2011.03.21 16:56:00 - [167]
 

lol this thread. 10/10 op

dexington
Caldari
Baconoration
Posted - 2011.03.21 17:19:00 - [168]
 

Originally by: AristotleOnassis
Edited by: AristotleOnassis on 21/03/2011 16:46:35
Quote:
when you could simply squash the beef with screenshots


please look at the second link on the first page the 1620110306115017.jpg for the example.


The LP gained from that hours is what?, like 75K. If 100K LP/h is a sure thing, why are you then using a screen shot where you are 25% below average?

AristotleOnassis
Posted - 2011.03.22 00:19:00 - [169]
 

Please understand about the law of average
Its an example screenshot. On how many missions that can be completed in a single hour.

LP/hour is mostly about what missions do you draw. Because missions given are random, your LP/hour is also random. My 100K LP/hour calculation is obtained from running EACH MISSION ONCE, IE: equal chance to get every mission. that does not mean u are going to get 100K lp/hour every time, as your lp fate pretty much depends on the dice roll.

If i were to draw more of the 400m+ isk/hour missions (on 2K isk/lp), like the assault, recon, smash suppliers, damsel distress, blockade, i will get more isk/hour. These missions only take up to 5 mins each

Its just by luck that i drew 200m- isk/hour missions (on 2K isk/lp).


If i go back home this weekend i can probably keep on doing missions until i draw a set of 140K LP/hour of missions. But whats the point? i gain nothing from it.

Jackie Fisher
Syrkos Technologies
Joint Venture Conglomerate
Posted - 2011.03.22 09:58:00 - [170]
 

Originally by: AristotleOnassis

153m isk/hour at 1K isk/lp - Liquidate Infinite LP / week
246m isk/hour at 2K isk/lp - Liquidate Max 10-20m LP / week
338m isk/hour at 3K isk/lp - Liquidate Max 10-20m LP / week
430m isk/hour at 4K isk/lp - Liquidate Max 5-10m LP / week
522m isk/hour at 5K isk/lp - Liquidate Max 2-3m LP / week


So that's c.61 mil ISK + 91 mil LP per hour.
Originally by: AristotleOnassis

My 100K LP/hour calculation is obtained from running EACH MISSION ONCE, IE: equal chance to get every mission. that does not mean u are going to get 100K lp/hour every time, as your lp fate pretty much depends on the dice roll.


So are the figures you quote in your original post actual measured typical/average figures or a peak amount you could earn if you consistently got only the good missions?

Holdout
Posted - 2011.03.22 13:38:00 - [171]
 

I can't believe this thread is still going on...

/bump

AristotleOnassis
Posted - 2011.03.22 13:44:00 - [172]
 

isk/hour = isk per hour of running each mission in the list once (ie: assumption is equal distribution of missions)

time = average time to run a single mission (total minutes running all missions/number of missions)

Qui Shon
Posted - 2011.03.22 14:09:00 - [173]
 

Edited by: Qui Shon on 22/03/2011 14:14:50


I no longer care about isk/h from missioning, so long since I did a mission. BUT, this thread did give me the urge to go back and finish my ->9.9 standings, seems this would be the fastest way to blitz for standings as well.

At the bottom of your first pic you list 11 missions in one hour, correct?

Hmm, I wonder what could be done if you could not decline missions, but you could now do low lp missions that were still blitz-able.



If I get that done I kinda want to repair my Gal/Min standing enough so they stop shooting at me.

Prolly won't get either done though. Confused

C Gabriel
Caldari
1st. Pariah Malefactor corp.
Posted - 2011.03.22 15:07:00 - [174]
 

Originally by: pussnheels
no offense but is running missions with a stopwatch and a spreadsheet really that much fun

Is mission running any fun at all???!?!

rumncock
Posted - 2011.03.23 07:46:00 - [175]
 

made four million $ per hour today at the atm, would have been more but there was a que.

Milken Gekko
Posted - 2011.03.23 10:24:00 - [176]
 

Originally by: C Gabriel
Originally by: pussnheels
no offense but is running missions with a stopwatch and a spreadsheet really that much fun

Is mission running any fun at all???!?!


Like Yathzee said... EVE is just another job you have to pay for.

oldmanst4r
Minmatar
oldmanst4r's Corporation
Posted - 2011.03.23 18:39:00 - [177]
 

Originally by: rumn****
made four million $ per hour today at the atm, would have been more but there was a que.


I make more $/hr from my illegal organ harvesting business, $/organ conversion rate is pretty good right now.

Cipher Jones
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.03.23 18:51:00 - [178]
 

Originally by: AristotleOnassis
Edited by: AristotleOnassis on 21/03/2011 16:46:35
Quote:
when you could simply squash the beef with screenshots


please look at the second link on the first page the 1620110306115017.jpg for the example.


That in now way shape or form indicates your actual hourly income, you know it, I know it, we all know it.

Chesty McJubblies
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
Posted - 2011.03.24 10:14:00 - [179]
 

Originally by: Cipher Jones
Originally by: AristotleOnassis
Edited by: AristotleOnassis on 21/03/2011 16:46:35
Quote:
when you could simply squash the beef with screenshots


please look at the second link on the first page the 1620110306115017.jpg for the example.


That in now way shape or form indicates your actual hourly income, you know it, I know it, we all know it.


Sshh, maybe he'll go away.

AristotleOnassis
Posted - 2011.03.24 11:35:00 - [180]
 

Im sorry. of course i know how much isk/hour im churning. Just finished another round of 1m LP.

took me 11 hours of grinding


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