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AristotleOnassis
Posted - 2011.03.16 02:08:00 - [121]
 

Why wouldnt I have the control over my agents quality, location, and my skills? Confused

Dawn Black
Posted - 2011.03.16 11:18:00 - [122]
 

Unless you are controlling the low secs, use fighter support and have a few other chars to rotate through missions your isk claims appear to be.. err... EXTREMELY optimistic..... So e.g. sacrificing DPS for unprobability etc increasing the time quiet a bit.. So in all optimal cercumstances i would even say ... ah well.. nvm.

AristotleOnassis
Posted - 2011.03.16 11:45:00 - [123]
 

Tengu never sacrifice gank for unprobeability.

They can be unprobeable with 6 launchers 2 rigor 2's, and 4 bcu's no problem.

Cipher Jones
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.03.16 16:05:00 - [124]
 

Originally by: AristotleOnassis
Why wouldnt I have the control over my agents quality, location, and my skills? Confused


Lol, don't play stupid. You don't control who is in local, you don't control the amount of LP items on the market, you don't control free amnufacturing slots, you don't control the tag market.


Astriell
Posted - 2011.03.16 16:39:00 - [125]
 

Originally by: AristotleOnassis


The game plan, is to reject low natural isk/hour mission (look at the excel in the first page, most missions are less then 10 minutes) , which i call the top-50%-acceptable-missions , which is where the tengu excels




If you are rejecting all the low isk/hour missions then you are either losing standing like crazy and won't be able to do lvl 4s anymore or you are spending a lot of time hoping between agents which you are not accounting for.

stoicfaux
Gallente
Posted - 2011.03.16 18:56:00 - [126]
 

Originally by: Astriell


If you are rejecting all the low isk/hour missions then you are either losing standing like crazy and won't be able to do lvl 4s anymore or you are spending a lot of time hoping between agents which you are not accounting for.


The trick is to get your *faction* standing high enough to use the agent instead of relying on your corporation standing. Declining a mission hits your *faction* standing for a tiny amount, allowing you to decline a lot of missions.

The hard part getting your faction standing that high though.


Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
Posted - 2011.03.16 20:40:00 - [127]
 

Originally by: Cipher Jones
Originally by: AristotleOnassis
Why wouldnt I have the control over my agents quality, location, and my skills? Confused


Lol, don't play stupid. You don't control who is in local, you don't control the amount of LP items on the market, you don't control free amnufacturing slots, you don't control the tag market.




no, but you can control enough of the other factors that those things don't matter much, plus most of those factors are pretty stable.

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2011.03.16 20:42:00 - [128]
 

Originally by: stoicfaux
Originally by: Astriell


If you are rejecting all the low isk/hour missions then you are either losing standing like crazy and won't be able to do lvl 4s anymore or you are spending a lot of time hoping between agents which you are not accounting for.


The trick is to get your *faction* standing high enough to use the agent instead of relying on your corporation standing. Declining a mission hits your *faction* standing for a tiny amount, allowing you to decline a lot of missions.

The hard part getting your faction standing that high though.




It also helps a lot if your storyline agent is in the same corp as your main agent.

AristotleOnassis
Posted - 2011.03.16 22:19:00 - [129]
 

Quote:
You don't control who is in local, you don't control the amount of LP items on the market, you don't control free amnufacturing slots, you don't control the tag market.


Local - Of course i can. No matter how you blob my local, my ship is unprobeable. my ship has 3 sec allign time, and my system i mission in has 3 to 4 entrances. i NEVER stop playing just because local is bloated. :)

Amount of LP items in the market - Of course i can, i can produce 6 different high LP items at high isk/lP

Free manufacturing slots - Of course i can, Its a border station, its always empty. If its filled, i just have to wait another hour before calling rf freight

Tag market - Of course i can. Its called MONOPOLY. Its also called cost- past through, which IS happening for all the items i produce :)

Songbird
Gallente
T.I.E. Inc.
Posted - 2011.03.17 06:50:00 - [130]
 

Why only trade?

I've talked with people (in the trade channels) who tell me they log in for an hour or so, put up their orders. Log out.
5 bil daily on weekends, for an hour of trading.
Less for weekdays but still.

As an added bonus you can get your life back and don't have to poop while missioning with a laptop.

But as people say - no accounting for taste - if you like to max out your income from missions by all means :)

I have to say - my char has 20m sp in missiles and tengu is maxed out and still I can't finish missions as fast as you do.

Respect

AristotleOnassis
Posted - 2011.03.17 10:00:00 - [131]
 

dood.

if you are large alliance accountaints with trillions of iskies, of course you can make good money doing that.

However, i only have a bit over 100b of liquid isk. I dont think i can make 5b in 1 hour sitting

Secondly, my argument is, if i have the ability to make 5 billion in one hour of sitting, i would have made more isk/hour to spend the same 1 hour missioning at the same time

ie: 5b+ one hour of isk missioning.

Chesty McJubblies
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
Posted - 2011.03.17 10:09:00 - [132]
 

Originally by: AristotleOnassis
I dont think i can make 5b in 1 hour sitting


But you're not entirely sure, am I right?

Kadoes Khan
Posted - 2011.03.17 15:15:00 - [133]
 

Could you post the fitting you use on your tengu?

Cipher Jones
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.03.17 16:03:00 - [134]
 

Originally by: AristotleOnassis
Quote:
You don't control who is in local, you don't control the amount of LP items on the market, you don't control free amnufacturing slots, you don't control the tag market.


Local - Of course i can. No matter how you blob my local, my ship is unprobeable. my ship has 3 sec allign time, and my system i mission in has 3 to 4 entrances. i NEVER stop playing just because local is bloated. :)

Amount of LP items in the market - Of course i can, i can produce 6 different high LP items at high isk/lP

Free manufacturing slots - Of course i can, Its a border station, its always empty. If its filled, i just have to wait another hour before calling rf freight

Tag market - Of course i can. Its called MONOPOLY. Its also called cost- past through, which IS happening for all the items i produce :)


lol. who cares if your ship is unprobable? Your Mission isnt.

You cant produce 6 high ticket items in the same area.

If you have to wait an hour and you were making 200 mil an hour, you are now making 100 mil an hour.

If you had a monopoly you would make far more money from it than missioning could ever bring you.


Dawn Black
Posted - 2011.03.17 17:44:00 - [135]
 

Edited by: Dawn Black on 17/03/2011 17:45:01
Well you are lucky to make 1000/1100 ISK/LP now with trade alts all over the place and endless dropping prices by 0.01 so any discussion about 100 or 200 mil is void anyways as the average pilot will never get close. Sure 1 or 2 may still find some stupid fool willing to overpay for his stuff but that is not average.

SpyGirl
Posted - 2011.03.17 21:11:00 - [136]
 

Originally by: Dawn Black
Edited by: Dawn Black on 17/03/2011 17:45:01
Well you are lucky to make 1000/1100 ISK/LP now with trade alts all over the place and endless dropping prices by 0.01 so any discussion about 100 or 200 mil is void anyways as the average pilot will never get close. Sure 1 or 2 may still find some stupid fool willing to overpay for his stuff but that is not average.


He makes 400m/hr, for 10 hours a day, please do not question him.

Thanks.

Dawn Black
Posted - 2011.03.17 21:27:00 - [137]
 

Originally by: SpyGirl
Originally by: Dawn Black
Edited by: Dawn Black on 17/03/2011 17:45:01
Well you are lucky to make 1000/1100 ISK/LP now with trade alts all over the place and endless dropping prices by 0.01 so any discussion about 100 or 200 mil is void anyways as the average pilot will never get close. Sure 1 or 2 may still find some stupid fool willing to overpay for his stuff but that is not average.


He makes 400m/hr, for 10 hours a day, please do not question him.

Thanks.


Ofc.. and i'm George Clooney

Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
Posted - 2011.03.17 21:45:00 - [138]
 

Originally by: Cipher Jones

lol. who cares if your ship is unprobable? Your Mission isnt.




If his ship's unprobable, and he isn't using drones, how can he be scanned down? Idea

Patient 2428190
DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School
Posted - 2011.03.17 21:46:00 - [139]
 

Edited by: Patient 2428190 on 17/03/2011 21:50:48
Edited by: Patient 2428190 on 17/03/2011 21:50:30
Originally by: Dawn Black

Well you are lucky to make 1000/1100 ISK/LP now with trade alts all over the place and endless dropping prices by 0.01 so any discussion about 100 or 200 mil is void anyways as the average pilot will never get close. Sure 1 or 2 may still find some stupid fool willing to overpay for his stuff but that is not average.


Flawless logic there, assuming just because you can only get ~1K ISK/LP, nobody else can get higher than that.

Originally by: Cipher Jones
lol. who cares if your ship is unprobable? Your Mission isnt.


I'd love to see you try to explain how you think a mission is probable.

Maverick2011
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2011.03.17 22:41:00 - [140]
 

what a normal human can do per hour in level 4 missions with a maelstrom/vargur? tengu is better than these 2?

Heanna
Posted - 2011.03.17 23:25:00 - [141]
 

AristotleOnassis What can a normal eve pilot take from this thread, I certainly feel inferior as I can only pull about 25-30M an hour (granted thats a CNR in high sec, I'm training for a tengu to blitz on my mission runner :) )

So what should we do -> unprobable tengu and mission in low sec?

Darth Zarthinon
Posted - 2011.03.18 06:32:00 - [142]
 

Tengu can't tank. Right. Had one in a 5/10 in high with subs to 4 no amp sub and 2 small b shield boosters and 3 bs, 20 cr, and 12 dd serpentis were pounding away while I sat there with no speed tank laughing. They couldn't break the tank. No loss to dps with fit and easily could have with max skills and a better fit while using speed tanked even more. Got bored and popped the scramming frigs and warped away to go live in a wormhole.

Dawn Black
Posted - 2011.03.18 08:20:00 - [143]
 

Originally by: Patient 2428190
Edited by: Patient 2428190 on 17/03/2011 21:50:48
Edited by: Patient 2428190 on 17/03/2011 21:50:30
Originally by: Dawn Black

Well you are lucky to make 1000/1100 ISK/LP now with trade alts all over the place and endless dropping prices by 0.01 so any discussion about 100 or 200 mil is void anyways as the average pilot will never get close. Sure 1 or 2 may still find some stupid fool willing to overpay for his stuff but that is not average.


Flawless logic there, assuming just because you can only get ~1K ISK/LP, nobody else can get higher than that.




Actually it isn't too flawed.. I didn't say nobody couldn't.. I said, the average pilot will probably not be able to do it. Again unless you have 12 trade alts all over the place and spend hours and hours undercutting and browsing the markets... But then.. add that time to the ISK/per hour plz... so i'd expect it to go down very fast :)

Crabs Collector
Posted - 2011.03.19 23:01:00 - [144]
 

Excellent wishfull thinking!

oldmanst4r
Minmatar
oldmanst4r's Corporation
Posted - 2011.03.20 00:44:00 - [145]
 

I decided you were trolling after the pooping while missioning comment, regardless of whether or not you actually make this kind of isk from missions.

Straight Edged
Posted - 2011.03.20 02:20:00 - [146]
 

Quote:
Actually it isn't too flawed.. I didn't say nobody couldn't.. I said, the average pilot will probably not be able to do it. Again unless you have 12 trade alts all over the place and spend hours and hours undercutting and browsing the markets... But then.. add that time to the ISK/per hour plz... so i'd expect it to go down very fast :)


Mission running is the most deep gameplay in EVE.

Tons of research have been made by individual players. Try out every corp in the universe. Check their stores. run some. Find good web sites. 3-5K isk/LP could be done quite easily as long as you do enough research, and you could do it in large quantities (millions of millions of LP in volume)

The poop argument was simple.

Every nay sayer (mostly gallente, as they are known for being bad at mission running), says my isk/hour should be reduced, as i need to poop, i need to eat, i need to sleep, and i need to "take a break" by wasting time in Jita.

Im just saying that, if you really want to discount all these factors, you can poop while playing, eat while playing, and never take a break and get the isk/hour.

Its too rigorous to discount pooping time in isk/hour.

Sure, i poop twice a week, and theoratically if i make 300m isk/hour, i need to waste 20minutes for every 25200 minutes for pooping. But really. i cant really give a damn.

Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
Posted - 2011.03.20 04:23:00 - [147]
 

Originally by: Dawn Black
Edited by: Dawn Black on 17/03/2011 17:45:01
Well you are lucky to make 1000/1100 ISK/LP now with trade alts all over the place and endless dropping prices by 0.01 so any discussion about 100 or 200 mil is void anyways as the average pilot will never get close. Sure 1 or 2 may still find some stupid fool willing to overpay for his stuff but that is not average.


most tags sell at or around npc price and hardly have any competition. so Very Happy

Millia Severasse
Posted - 2011.03.20 07:08:00 - [148]
 

Originally by: Straight Edged
Quote:
Actually it isn't too flawed.. I didn't say nobody couldn't.. I said, the average pilot will probably not be able to do it. Again unless you have 12 trade alts all over the place and spend hours and hours undercutting and browsing the markets... But then.. add that time to the ISK/per hour plz... so i'd expect it to go down very fast :)


Mission running is the most deep gameplay in EVE.

Tons of research have been made by individual players. Try out every corp in the universe. Check their stores. run some. Find good web sites. 3-5K isk/LP could be done quite easily as long as you do enough research, and you could do it in large quantities (millions of millions of LP in volume)

The poop argument was simple.

Every nay sayer (mostly gallente, as they are known for being bad at mission running), says my isk/hour should be reduced, as i need to poop, i need to eat, i need to sleep, and i need to "take a break" by wasting time in Jita.

Im just saying that, if you really want to discount all these factors, you can poop while playing, eat while playing, and never take a break and get the isk/hour.

Its too rigorous to discount pooping time in isk/hour.

Sure, i poop twice a week, and theoratically if i make 300m isk/hour, i need to waste 20minutes for every 25200 minutes for pooping. But really. i cant really give a damn.


0/10

Dawn Black
Posted - 2011.03.20 10:57:00 - [149]
 

Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton
Originally by: Dawn Black
Edited by: Dawn Black on 17/03/2011 17:45:01
Well you are lucky to make 1000/1100 ISK/LP now with trade alts all over the place and endless dropping prices by 0.01 so any discussion about 100 or 200 mil is void anyways as the average pilot will never get close. Sure 1 or 2 may still find some stupid fool willing to overpay for his stuff but that is not average.


most tags sell at or around npc price and hardly have any competition. so Very Happy


I highly doubt the few taggs here and there for every 8th mission will make you hundruds of millions an hour especially when there is so much competition on them. Also this involves actually looting (and or salvaging) which according to a lot of people is a waste of time. Me, i'm starting to think more and more that EVE itself is a waste of time.

Chesty McJubblies
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
Posted - 2011.03.20 13:03:00 - [150]
 

Originally by: Millia Severasse
Originally by: Straight Edged
Quote:
Actually it isn't too flawed.. I didn't say nobody couldn't.. I said, the average pilot will probably not be able to do it. Again unless you have 12 trade alts all over the place and spend hours and hours undercutting and browsing the markets... But then.. add that time to the ISK/per hour plz... so i'd expect it to go down very fast :)


Mission running is the most deep gameplay in EVE.

Tons of research have been made by individual players. Try out every corp in the universe. Check their stores. run some. Find good web sites. 3-5K isk/LP could be done quite easily as long as you do enough research, and you could do it in large quantities (millions of millions of LP in volume)

The poop argument was simple.

Every nay sayer (mostly gallente, as they are known for being bad at mission running), says my isk/hour should be reduced, as i need to poop, i need to eat, i need to sleep, and i need to "take a break" by wasting time in Jita.

Im just saying that, if you really want to discount all these factors, you can poop while playing, eat while playing, and never take a break and get the isk/hour.

Its too rigorous to discount pooping time in isk/hour.

Sure, i poop twice a week, and theoratically if i make 300m isk/hour, i need to waste 20minutes for every 25200 minutes for pooping. But really. i cant really give a damn.


0/10


You're too generous.


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