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Duchess Starbuckington
Posted - 2011.05.29 21:45:00 - [91]
 

Why does this not have a support post from me in it?
Tier system needs to go. It's outdated, poorly designed and has no place in this game.

Val'Dore
Word Bearers of Chaos
Word of Chaos Undivided
Posted - 2011.05.29 23:37:00 - [92]
 

Originally by: Ai Mei
you can eliminate the tier system but what is it going to do? if you stream line the costs and make them all equal there will be no variation.


I never said there should be no variation. Only that any variation should be based on roles not tiers.

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Do we really need to make this game so bland like the character creator?


You mean how everyone looks like a Drake, Abaddon, Nyx, or Aeon with slightly different hair?

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Hey remember when bloodlines meaned something?


Yeah, I remember that. Then I remember Achura... and the insanity sauce that followed that.

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Now every character starts out practically the same with no advantage over another in areas, no weaknesses in areas, just a cookie cutter.


Oh I dunno, my character looks better than yours.

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Removing the tier system would do that just to ships, they would be bland boring and there would be no advantage to flying one ship over another.


I have no idea why you would think such a ridiculous thing. Unless you own a bunch of bpos.

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now lets break down the 1-6 on the list.


You can try Wink

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1. This is to prevent those little kids who buy buy plex from buying lots of big ships before they are really able to fly them. Seriously do you want someone in a sniper abbadon with only amarr bs 1 on your fleet op?
- NO. This is there to ensure people are ready to fly the ship properly.


They would only need Amarr BS 1 to fit the requisite rack of 1400s. Anyone is welcome to my fleet ops, I don't discriminate.

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2. So what change nothing? The heavier ships already weigh more. Also dont fix what isnt broken with material costs.


So you DO own bpos!

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3. No, we dont need cookie cutter ships, we already have cookie cutter characters we dont need them in ships. There is no reason the dominix should have the same cap as a thron or a hyperion.


I never indicated they should. You came up with that on your own.

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4. they are already like that.


Thank you Captain Obvious.

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5. elaborate - tweaks should be done on some ships.


Hyperion and Megathron. Even without Tiericide they are prime examples of tweaking being necessary.

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6. NO, tech 1 is exactly that. TECH 1. they are not supposed to have super powers like their tech 2 variants. If you start giving tech 1 ships those special role powers like the tech 2 variants then you are going to erase the line that defines the need to shoot for tech 2 ships.


The relationship between Tech I and II should be about technology advancements, not roles. Lots of Tech I ships have role bonuses.

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Eve is already getting too easy as it is, not make it any easier and bland.


Rolling Eyes

Duchess Starbuckington
Posted - 2011.05.30 10:31:00 - [93]
 

Edited by: Duchess Starbuckington on 30/05/2011 11:44:56
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you can eliminate the tier system but what is it going to do? if you stream line the costs and make them all equal there will be no variation.


I really wish it was painful being as stupid as this guy.
Is a Drake the same as a Ferox? Not by a long shot.
Is a Drake better than a Ferox? Yup...
Why?

If they both had the same role, the tier system would be justified - but they don't, which means it's not just ships that get shafted for no real reason - it's entire playstyles.

The Breacher is laughably inferior to the Rifter but flies completely differently. The only reason it's in the sorry state it is is, you guessed it, the tier system.

If it was eliminated, you'd see nothing but greater variation.
More viable ships = more variety = more choice = better game.

Having said all this, I am actually in favour of Gypsio's suggestion in another thread of eliminating the tier system among BCs by nerfing the tier 2s. Frankly they really are way too good for their cost.

Mithfindel
Zenko Incorporated
Posted - 2011.05.30 11:56:00 - [94]
 

The tier system is just a sorry excuse of not trying to balance T1. As a result, there are ships that essentially exist only for completeness. Admitted, they have some flavour, such as minor speed and play style differences, but "buffing" these aspects would help considerably to see more of these lower-tier ships.

CCP's method of selecting tech two models in the past was "pick those ships with a cool model which are under-used" (according to some document). How about balancing a bit to make the ends meet right where things start, T1. After all, in today's EVE, a smart-ish player who follows the tutorials has a million or two after day one. It isn't like the old days when we needed to warp uphill both ways and mine veldspar to afford that mighty tier 2 frigate.

Cyberus
Caldari
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
Posted - 2011.05.30 20:55:00 - [95]
 

Originally by: Tub Chil
while supporting this I realize that nothing will change in the space for the next 2-3 years. shoes, jackets, sunglasses and sexy asses are way too important.


110% true.

Wolves are after kiddies $$$$$$$$$$$$.

Val'Dore
Word Bearers of Chaos
Word of Chaos Undivided
Posted - 2011.06.03 07:34:00 - [96]
 

Right, this topic is not going away.

Val'Dore
Word Bearers of Chaos
Word of Chaos Undivided
Posted - 2011.06.13 21:26:00 - [97]
 

I hate how the good ideas tend to drown... throwing out the life ring.

Val'Dore
Word Bearers of Chaos
Word of Chaos Undivided
Posted - 2011.06.26 04:57:00 - [98]
 

Maybe it is a waste of time, but I'm bumping this anyway.

Mattio11
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Posted - 2011.06.26 05:20:00 - [99]
 

yeah i like the idea of tweaking the ships so that it's their unique abilities/bonuses that set them apart. rather than being simply superior in HP and resists etc.

Runawaypally
Amarr
24th Imperial Crusade
Posted - 2011.06.26 07:03:00 - [100]
 

I definatly support the removal of the Tier system. I dont appreciate being herded into a certain hull to keep up with others. I would rather choose my own path without having to swallow a whole lot of disadvantage with it.

Hansi Shimpansi
Posted - 2011.06.26 19:21:00 - [101]
 


Val'Dore
Word Bearers of Chaos
Word of Chaos Undivided
Posted - 2011.06.28 16:16:00 - [102]
 

Thanks for the support.


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