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grootgroot
Posted - 2011.03.02 23:17:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: grootgroot on 02/03/2011 23:18:15
Given that CCP has said that Dust, not Eve, is their highest priority, why has only 1 of the candidates mentioned this in their statements on the Candidates page?
?

This seems one of the biggest issues in Eve. Even the last CSM mentioned it in their minutes as a concern.

Shobon Welp
GoonFleet
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2011.03.02 23:32:00 - [2]
 

Where did CCP state that Dust is 'a higher priority' than EVE? Link to a specific quote please.

Manalapan
Dynasty Banking
General Tso's Alliance
Posted - 2011.03.02 23:57:00 - [3]
 

Dust and EVE are not the same developers. The guys in Iceland work on EVE and I believe Shanghai works on Dust (someone can confirm that).

Caiden Baxter
Posted - 2011.03.03 02:08:00 - [4]
 

Reykjavík works on EvE, Shanghai does Dust 514.

Jovan Geldon
Gallente
Lead Farmers
Kill It With Fire
Posted - 2011.03.03 02:09:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: grootgroot
CCP has said that Dust, not Eve, is their highest priority


lol no

Leil Ren'Do
Posted - 2011.03.03 02:16:00 - [6]
 

Dust is scrapped that's why. They've dropped the ludicrous idea of competing on the console fps market. Now if people like you stop posting questions about it, it can just start slowly fading away in time with the rest of ccp delusional ideas.

Scanner717
Posted - 2011.03.03 02:23:00 - [7]
 

Source please when did dust514 get scrapped. Besides the highest priority has always been World of Darkness

grootgroot
Posted - 2011.03.03 07:11:00 - [8]
 

Hmmmm... I can only imagine you guys have been living under a rock for the last 18 months, or you're just in a state of complete denial.

About a year ago, Dust was all CCP talked about. But after some pretty negative reaction from the Eve community, and the reaction by the CSM to the Incarna plans, it's hardly been mentioned in the last 6 months. It's almost like it was a media blackout.

Then, the live dev blog on 24th Jan 2011, this accidently slipped out.

CCP Omen:
Quote:
Team PI is working on the dust link. this pretty much takes precedence over everything. It's not ideal, but we believe the dust link is the priority



CCP Soundwave
Quote:

[pause] errr.. for our job's sake let's quickly move on from dust"



CCP Omen, being asked about a specific new feature:
Quote:
Once again, the dust link takes precedence, so it's hard to say. But we always want to make eve as real as possible. This is why tyrannis brought commodoties that are now in PI from NPC's into PI. It's a good guess at some point we try at some point to get those less valuable things into something. That's not a promise at all. We focus on the dust link.


CCP Soundwave:
Quote:
Yes of course, that is the focus right now.



Link to logs


Still waiting to hear what the CSM candidates have to say about this.



xestria
Posted - 2011.03.03 07:16:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Jovan Geldon
Originally by: grootgroot
CCP has said that Dust, not Eve, is their highest priority


lol no


lol Surprised

Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2011.03.03 07:19:00 - [10]
 

You are a bad poster and you should feel bad.

Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari
Sane Industries Inc.
Posted - 2011.03.03 07:22:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: grootgroot
Hmmmm... I can only imagine you guys have been living under a rock for the last 18 months, or you're just in a state of complete denial.

Lot's of out-of-context quotes does not make for an argument...

We already know they got at least one team working DUST link plus the Shanghai office doing the game itself, and that's likely to increase once they get closer to release. But what are you suggesting CSM do about it?

CCP can't change that now after such a heavy investment, no more than they could drop or delay Incarna due to WoD.

grootgroot
Posted - 2011.03.03 07:41:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Sokratesz
You are a bad poster and you should feel bad.


I'm sure your constructive attitude goes a long way in making you a quality and popular candidate.

grootgroot
Posted - 2011.03.03 07:48:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab
Originally by: grootgroot
Hmmmm... I can only imagine you guys have been living under a rock for the last 18 months, or you're just in a state of complete denial.

Lot's of out-of-context quotes does not make for an argument...

We already know they got at least one team working DUST link plus the Shanghai office doing the game itself, and that's likely to increase once they get closer to release. But what are you suggesting CSM do about it?



Please explain which quote is out of context.

I thought the CSM was to represent the players, not CCP's commercial interests (they already have people that do that). I don't see much popular demand for the Dust link, and certainly not enough to make it a higher priority than "Flying-in-Space".

More focus on Eve development is what I want to see the CSM champion. It's a little bizarre that some people find that so wrong.




Zelda Wei
Caldari
New Horizon Trade Exchange
Posted - 2011.03.07 14:35:00 - [14]
 


Try to realise, there is no elephant.

HeroInAHalfShell
Posted - 2011.03.07 14:40:00 - [15]
 

Kalrand does look like an excellent candidate though.

Two step
Aperture Harmonics
K162
Posted - 2011.03.07 18:19:00 - [16]
 

I think the context you are missing is that the Dust link is the top priority for the *PI team*, not the whole company.

Certainly they are going to devote some resources to linking up to Dust, since if they don't Dust will be an even worse failure than it is likely to be already. At least this way they might sell a few copies to EvE players, I guess.

My CSM candidate position on this:
I would rather see them waste 1 team on Dust then waste 7 (or however many teams it is now) on Incarna. I hope that CCP is planning on not making Dust participation integral to PI or Sov or whatever they end up tying Dust to, since even in the best case few people are likely to be playing Dust a year or so after release.

HeroInAHalfShell
Posted - 2011.03.07 18:23:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Two step
My CSM candidate position on this:
I would rather see them waste 1 team on Dust then waste 7 (or however many teams it is now) on Incarna. I hope that CCP is planning on not making Dust participation integral to PI or Sov or whatever they end up tying Dust to, since even in the best case few people are likely to be playing Dust a year or so after release.


Why should they have to waste teams on anything? Your logic is nonexistent.

iP0D
Posted - 2011.03.07 18:30:00 - [18]
 

Teach the elephant to dance, tbh Cool


Terminal Insanity
Minmatar
Convex Enterprises
Posted - 2011.03.09 18:00:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: grootgroot
Edited by: grootgroot on 02/03/2011 23:18:15
Given that CCP has said that Dust, not Eve, is their highest priority, why has only 1 of the candidates mentioned this in their statements on the Candidates page?
?

This seems one of the biggest issues in Eve. Even the last CSM mentioned it in their minutes as a concern.


because the CSM (Council of Stellar Management) are not the CTM (Council of Terrestrial Management).
TBH, Dust 514 might interact with eve but its a completely separate game. I don't see why the CSM, a group devoted to the betterment of eve, should give a **** about other games the company has planned. They might care if it drains resources from eve, but with incarna coming so soon (tm) i cant see that being the case.

I really expected incarna to come long after Dust... i look at this as a welcome surprise

Peter Powers
FinFleet
Raiden.
Posted - 2011.03.09 18:18:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: grootgroot

Given that CCP has said that Dust, not Eve, is their highest priority, why has only 1 of the candidates mentioned this in their statements on the Candidates page?
?


Well, first of all "Team PI" is not the whole of CCP - so its the Planetary Interaction Team that has the highest priority on Dust.

Dust and PI have been named to go hand in hand (actually PI was called preparation for dust a few times before), so its logical that the PI Team is now working on this integration.

Now you can argue that PI itself could use some Work, because while it is an income source, there is little Fun in doing it - however, i have high hopes that with Dust being connected to EVE in PI PI needs to change a bit anyways.

Also, personally i rather see them putting efford in the EVE<->Dust connection then into Incarna. While i don't see how Incarna improves what EVE is about, Dust should introduce a few features that actually add to the gameplay that we know.

The only thing that i could think of to bring up with CCP about Dust would be to ask them about more information on how Dust will impact eve, but from what i have gathered so far they are still working that out.


Damarn Price
Posted - 2011.03.09 20:40:00 - [21]
 

Folks, I would not be afraid of DUST. Instead EMBRACE IT. Because from what I've read, it will expand the world of Eve. It is an added dimension where you can go there yourself and some day interact with those that are there from your spaceship or station. Some day when technology permits, it will mean walking on planets. A far step more than the current planetary interaction we have. It is a future only Eve have the possibility of bringing to life at this point. Only because of the uniqueness of Eve's online gameplay style. It is the way to go, and it is in the end for US.

CK Terson
Minmatar
Cadre Assault Force
Posted - 2011.03.10 09:44:00 - [22]
 

We play CCP's game.
I am a fan of this game.
If i wasn't, i wouldn't play anymore.
I am glad we have a say in the direction EVE may take in the future, i.e. CSM. -That is part of the reason i like and play the game.

Moreover, I am doubly glad that CCP has -as big of- and hopefully a bigger view of EVE than alot of our players seem to have.

I want EVE to be BIG.
If that means encompassing multiple consoles, multiple genres, i.e. RP/FPS/spase pew pew whatever, I support it. I want it to be a great game.
I want it to suprise me in the future like it suprised me when i discovered the game.

Korvin
Gallente
Shadow Kingdom
Best Alliance
Posted - 2011.03.10 11:14:00 - [23]
 

Let me put it this way.
I don't really care about the Dust, since I don't even have a console, neither I plan to buy one.

For me, as an EVE player and a member of a CSM, the words "CCP team is working on the dust link" means that CCP team is working on a combat system for PI, that I am waiting for almost a year.

For me, as an EVE player, there is no difference, if the combat system gets a random number generated or linked from the DUST database instead, and as for the Dust itself, that is another developer working on it and it doesn't takes EVE developers resources from me.

So the DUST is out of my concerns.


 

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