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Aureleos
Void Angels
Wildly Inappropriate.
Posted - 2011.03.02 20:09:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Aureleos on 09/03/2011 09:08:58
Edited by: Aureleos on 02/03/2011 21:03:08
Lol, Eve politics is crap for sure. Like Mittani says, we are all going to lie to you if you expect the typical democratic process. But honestly, getting a block of guys that works together to block the horse***t ideas that get thrown up by every body who thinks their opinion matters is ultimately the most useful function of the CSM (which otherwise is a worthless organization). Some of the horse***t ideas come from CCP itself.

Ultimately, they want a free vacation to Iceland. Which a**holes do you want to give it to? What intelligence level do you want in the peeps that go to the CSM? And on the flip side, do you want intelligent council members who would love to screw up the game for everyone as part of a larger griefer-style meta-gaming scheme, or do you want intelligent reps that will spoil the plans of those meta-game fapping a**hats?

Caring about the game is one thing: the fact I've spent three years playing shows that, but you have to be realistic about what the CSM can or cannot do. Unified front is the only way to make it do anything. 0.0 needs to sweep the CSM in order for anything to happen or be stopped from happening that we don't want as 0.0ers.

Meissa Anunthiel
Redshift Industrial
Rooks and Kings
Posted - 2011.03.02 21:36:00 - [2]
 

Originally by: Aureleos
Edited by: Aureleos on 02/03/2011 21:03:08
Lol, Eve politics is crap for sure. Like Mittani says, we are all going to lie to you if you expect the typical democratic process. But honestly, getting a block of guys that works together to block the horse***t ideas that get thrown up by every body who thinks their opinion matters is ultimately the most useful function of the CSM (which otherwise is a worthless organization). Some of the horse***t ideas come from CCP itself.

Ultimately, they want a free vacation to Iceland. Which a**holes do you want to give it to? What intelligence level do you want in the peeps that go to the CSM? And on the flip side, do you want intelligent council members who would love to screw up the game for everyone as part of a larger griefer-style meta-gaming scheme (coughs PL), or do you want intelligent reps that will spoil the plans of those meta-game fapping a**hats?

Caring about the game is one thing: the fact I've spent three years playing shows that, but you have to be realistic about what the CSM can or cannot do. Unified front is the only way to make it do anything. 0.0 needs to sweep the CSM in order for anything to happen or be stopped from happening that we don't want as 0.0ers.


I don't lie, I know some others don't either. There's enough candidates with valid programs that can stand on their own without needing to resort to backhanded real-life lying tactics at this stage. Maybe it will come, but the time is not that yet.

Now, as pointed out in many posts made by me or other, the CSM is no vacation.
Picture this:
arrive on the evening before the meeting, or during the night.
3 days of meeting, starting around 8:30, ending around 6pm. 1 hour sessions, facing fresh dev teams every time, delving into details. Constant focus required. That's a grind if I've ever lived any. After 3 days, every CSM member who paid attention is exhausted.
Evenings are spent with devs, discussion more Eve matters, sharing stories from both sides of the fence, albeit in a more relaxed manner.
The morning after the meetings, plane takes off.

No time for vacation. CCP extends as a courtesy to members the ability to prolong their stay, on their own dime, to visit Iceland. But then it's not a free trip anymore, is it?
And that's not even taking into account all the time spent prior to the iceland meetings to read and discuss all player proposals.

I'd expect anyone touting the "free trip" aspect to be labelled an idiot, for that's all it is... there's enough reports now to be able to determine that there is no such thing...

Meissa Anunthiel, CSM 2, 3, 4, 5, and maybe 6.

Jonathon Silence
Thorny Rose Enterprises
Posted - 2011.03.03 04:19:00 - [3]
 

Edited by: Jonathon Silence on 03/03/2011 04:21:47
I am going to add my voice to the dissent to your post.

I am not in this for a Free trip to Iceland, fo rme it is not a simple flight. It would involve 36-44 hours of travel from leaving my door to getting to the hotel and then the same on return. It sucks, but I am willing to do it for a game I love.

Nor am I interested in getting hired by CCP. As Seleene has said 'Been there done that'.

What the CSM needs is a group of people representing the whole of the EVE players that can understand their common goals, accept differences and still work as a team.

How do you think CCP will react if all the members of the CSM are from Goonswarm and the NC or similar 0.0 blocks. They will be able to say, this is not an accurate representation of our player base, we do not need to listen to them. And that is one thing I never wish the CSM to become. The work of the previous CSM members, especially, CSM5 members has been outstanding in building the relevance of the CSM as a resource for CCP to make use of.

That could easily be destroyed by a badly select CSM built for 1 reason.

Now do not get me wrong I agree with a number of points from The Mittani, the CSM does have to work together, they have to be united, but this does not hinge on him being the Chairman, if he gets to be the Chairman and builds a CSM team then congratulations to him, but I also think there are other people that could do the job just as well. Vile Rat has valid points about the state of 0.0 warfare, I agree with most of his points, I do not agree with some of his fix recommendations, but that does not mean that, if I was on the CSM, I (as a non 0.0 player) would not support him to get the issues fixed (the actual solution comes down to CCP). I would support any issue the CSM as a whole brings to CCP to have resolved.

EVE is such a complex game that no part of it can be said to live in 'isolation', changes in any part of the game are going to have ripple effects in all other parts, it is trying to understand these and make sure that they are thought about and if they will be a negative impact, then dealing with them before they become an issue. A cross-sectional CSM is going to be better able to work as a team to do this kind of thought process than a single 'faction'.

So Agree on Unified front from the CSM, but strongly disagree that it all needs to be from 0.0.

Krutoj
Caldari
The xDEATHx Squadron
Legion of xXDEATHXx
Posted - 2011.03.03 05:33:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Jonathon Silence

Nor am I interested in getting hired by CCP. As Seleene has said 'Been there done that'.



Your forum posts say otherwise m8 =/

Jonathon Silence
Thorny Rose Enterprises
Posted - 2011.03.03 11:00:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Krutoj
Originally by: Jonathon Silence

Nor am I interested in getting hired by CCP. As Seleene has said 'Been there done that'.



Your forum posts say otherwise m8 =/


LOL. I have worked for CCP before, great bunch of people. Very cool company to work for, if you want to work in the computer gaming industry I can not recommend CCP highly enough as an employer and as a group of people.

But personally, while I enjoyed the experience, I am not looking to return to Iceland fulltime. I rather like my current job in NZ and am settled and really do not want to move 1/2 way across the world again. :)

Halaxi
Caldari
Veto Corp
Posted - 2011.03.03 12:44:00 - [6]
 

So, why should I vote for you? What is it that you personally plan to bring to the CSM process, other than a (very) concise version of Mittani's mission statement?

Hal.

Kor'kath
Posted - 2011.03.09 08:57:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Halaxi
So, why should I vote for you? What is it that you personally plan to bring to the CSM process, other than a (very) concise version of Mittani's mission statement?

Hal.


I prefer the conciseness. Mittani is a lawyer who likes to bloviate too much for the sake of reading his own words. Peeps that run for CSM w/o knowing anything about it, and who think they are gonna change the world (little Obamas?), end up being a huge disappointment. I imagine those of you who have served on the CSM previously know of other members who turned out to be worthless I did see mention about peeps being tired of the meeting IF they paid attention, yes?

Aureleos
Void Angels
Wildly Inappropriate.
Posted - 2011.03.09 09:02:00 - [8]
 

Essentially Mittani and I share a lot of views, but electing a single rep who believes one thing or another isn't enough. If you want to have any chance of making points to CCP and have them listen you have to have a united front so to speak. If the CSM was stacked with reps that had similar ideas to the Mittani, or he has similar ideas to anyone else (without saying one or another copied anybody's platform message) then the CSM might get a lot done in terms of fostering postive development as well as breed a new respect within CCP for the role the CSM could play as a voice of the community. So why should you vote for me? The Mittani is the goonboss. He's gonna get elected pretty much guaranteed, but do you really trust an unchecked goon? Really? No offense to my goon compadres (R3drum <3) but I'd prefer someone a bit more moderate and introspective.

Aureleos
Void Angels
Wildly Inappropriate.
Posted - 2011.03.09 09:06:00 - [9]
 

Edited by: Aureleos on 09/03/2011 09:07:11
I will forward you all to my more recent post on specific platform info. Thanks for continued commentary. Good to see peeps care about the process. It also counters the comment about "united front" but not "all from 0.0."

http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1479450


 

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