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Taross
Caldari
Laurentson INC
Posted - 2011.03.05 23:50:00 - [31]
 

If you're looking for a CSM that will represent your interest, if you're a WH dweller, DON'T vote for the AHARM guy. The interest he has got in mind are the AHARM interests, IE keeping all WH **** as obscure as possible, so he and his can benefit from ignorance as long as possible. Seleene is probably your man. He was a dev when they coded all the WH stuff, so he's probably to blame for half of it. Might be worth it to give him the chance to clean up his prior mistakes.

i'm a trebor supporter, for the record. feel free to contact me in-game if you wanna know why.

Two step
Aperture Harmonics
K162
Posted - 2011.03.07 00:31:00 - [32]
 

Originally by: hyperfly
CHEATER for CSM?? Does this really happen?



Aww, u mad? Just because we evicted you from w-space doesn't mean you shouldn't vote for me. I am interested in representing all wormhole space residents.

Originally by: Taross
If you're looking for a CSM that will represent your interest, if you're a WH dweller, DON'T vote for the AHARM guy. The interest he has got in mind are the AHARM interests, IE keeping all WH **** as obscure as possible, so he and his can benefit from ignorance as long as possible. Seleene is probably your man. He was a dev when they coded all the WH stuff, so he's probably to blame for half of it. Might be worth it to give him the chance to clean up his prior mistakes.



Untrue. I think it is important to separate my personal interests from those of the people I would represent. This is what everyone expects of all CSM members. Personally, I believe AHARM has made lots of information public about wormhole space. In fact, anyone who comes to our public channel (ApertureCOM) and asks a wormhole question gets an answer.

That being said, I like Seleene, and if I were not running he would probably be getting my votes.

Originally by: Some crazy guy

Hi Two Step. You're right, when it comes to WH the only "catastrophic, game breaking problem" I was aware of was the bug that you exploited for billions of isk. Embarassingly I don't know of any other "catastrophic, game breaking problems" in WH space. Perhaps you can share some of this "list about a mile long of issues".


Tell ya what windy... as soon as you dial the crazy down from 11 to around 2, I will talk to you. Until then, you should really go back to your crazy NC conspiracy theories and let the adults talk in the other room.

Catori Fala
Capital Construction Research
Pioneer Alliance
Posted - 2011.03.07 07:11:00 - [33]
 

Originally by: Two step
Aww, u mad? Just because we evicted you from w-space doesn't mean you shouldn't vote for me. I am interested in representing all wormhole space residents.


That kind of childish retort (albeit to a pretty childish post) doesn't do anything to convince me of your suitability for the CSM sadly. You surely had to expect that kind of response to your candidacy and it seems you have no real interest in rebuilding the bridges your corp burned so effectively with many people.

If you were truly serious about representing the wspace community it would have helped no end to start repairing the relationships and discussing all the issues months ago with the major players. We're a minority group as it is and getting a candidate in would require a serious combined effort (and no small amount of luck). Perhaps even sucking it up and admitting you have little credibility currently and throwing the weight of AHARM behind a more neutral candidate could have worked better *shrug*.

It also doesn't look good that you're effectively still trying to spin the whole Mag issue. You refer to it as an 'exploit' in your blog, implying that you do not agree with this terminology. You also continue to claim that it was never used in pvp before the RnK encounter, this is simply not true and again does you no favours.

What's the deal with Domania standing as well? Potentially splitting the vote seems counterproductive for all our interests.

HeroInAHalfShell
Posted - 2011.03.07 14:11:00 - [34]
 

Originally by: Catori Fala
Originally by: Two step
Aww, u mad? Just because we evicted you from w-space doesn't mean you shouldn't vote for me. I am interested in representing all wormhole space residents.


That kind of childish retort (albeit to a pretty childish post) doesn't do anything to convince me of your suitability for the CSM sadly. You surely had to expect that kind of response to your candidacy and it seems you have no real interest in rebuilding the bridges your corp burned so effectively with many people.



That was seriously shabby.

Two step
Aperture Harmonics
K162
Posted - 2011.03.07 17:00:00 - [35]
 

Edited by: Two step on 07/03/2011 17:01:07
Originally by: Catori Fala
Originally by: Two step
Aww, u mad? Just because we evicted you from w-space doesn't mean you shouldn't vote for me. I am interested in representing all wormhole space residents.


That kind of childish retort (albeit to a pretty childish post) doesn't do anything to convince me of your suitability for the CSM sadly. You surely had to expect that kind of response to your candidacy and it seems you have no real interest in rebuilding the bridges your corp burned so effectively with many people.

If you were truly serious about representing the wspace community it would have helped no end to start repairing the relationships and discussing all the issues months ago with the major players. We're a minority group as it is and getting a candidate in would require a serious combined effort (and no small amount of luck). Perhaps even sucking it up and admitting you have little credibility currently and throwing the weight of AHARM behind a more neutral candidate could have worked better *shrug*.

It also doesn't look good that you're effectively still trying to spin the whole Mag issue. You refer to it as an 'exploit' in your blog, implying that you do not agree with this terminology. You also continue to claim that it was never used in pvp before the RnK encounter, this is simply not true and again does you no favours.

What's the deal with Domania standing as well? Potentially splitting the vote seems counterproductive for all our interests.


Oh, come on. Hyperfly is mad because we evicted him from his space. He isn't treating me with respect, he has been smacking in local for 2 days.

As for repairing bridges that have been burnt, I have tried. I, along with several other corp members, have been asking to be unbanned from your public channel so I can chat with you guys. I certainly don't have any grudge with anyone in your corp.

I'm not sure just how much blame you are expecting me to take for not starting my campaign months ago. I didn't decide I wanted to run until fairly recently. If there had been a previously announced wormhole candidate that I respected, I would not have run, and would have worked hard to support them. There wasn't, so I ran. I understand that many w-space folks may have some really hard feeling for AHARM at this point, but like I keep saying, this is not AHARM running for CSM, this is me. I am not running on a "nerf everyone but AHARM" platform. I am doing my best to listen as much as I talk. I have talked to a bunch of folks in your own corp who have expressed their support, and given me some great feedback.

I agree that I am somewhat inconsistent with the exploit term. The reason is, I think the best term for it is a bug. It didn't require some special magic tricks to do, anyone could have (and several people did) figure it out. As for it not being used in PvP other than R&K, it wasn't. If you have other evidence, please let me know. This is the first I am hearing of it, and I don't like false accusations to be thrown around.

Domania wanted to run. As much as it would simplify things in corp, AHARM is not a dictatorship. I like Dom, but I think I would do a better job, which is why I am still in the race.

HeroInAHalfShell
Posted - 2011.03.07 17:06:00 - [36]
 

Originally by: Two step

Oh, come on. Hyperfly is mad because we evicted him from his space. He isn't treating me with respect, he has been smacking in local for 2 days.



Oh, well then go ahead and bring your grudges into the CSM Rolling Eyes

Two step
Aperture Harmonics
K162
Posted - 2011.03.07 18:08:00 - [37]
 

Originally by: ******AHalfShell
Originally by: Two step

Oh, come on. Hyperfly is mad because we evicted him from his space. He isn't treating me with respect, he has been smacking in local for 2 days.



Oh, well then go ahead and bring your grudges into the CSM Rolling Eyes


No, I will not be bringing grudges into CSM. I have no grudge with hyperfly, he is the one that has an issue with me. Running for CSM doesn't mean one has to sit there and accept insults and disrespect. If people want to have their voice heard, they shouldn't cry like and baby and throw poop around the room.

HeroInAHalfShell
Posted - 2011.03.07 18:11:00 - [38]
 

Originally by: Two step
If people want to have their voice heard, they shouldn't cry like and baby and throw poop around the room.


Couldn't hear you over your tears and poop. Welp.

Ace Secunda
AQUILA INC
Posted - 2011.03.08 09:44:00 - [39]
 

Edited by: Ace Secunda on 11/03/2011 11:13:21
Good luck Two step and Domania, when looking at your blogs you both have good ideas and I can't help think that if one of you ran on the behalf of both of you with both of your ideas you would do even better.

Two step
Aperture Harmonics
K162
Posted - 2011.03.08 19:51:00 - [40]
 

Thanks for the endorsement, Ace.

I just posted my 0.0 thoughts on my blog. Since I am not a current 0.0 resident, I would be relying on the community for what they like and don't like about 0.0. I do have some thoughts and ideas of my own though.

crazygirly
Caldari
Shadows Of The Federation
Posted - 2011.03.09 08:47:00 - [41]
 

I like your ideas on making changes on wormhole machinics (my personal idea was to introduce a gadget that can change/keep up/recharge mass/time on a wormhole, fuel required ofcourse), making it somewhat easier to move large fleets through wormholes, and ofcourse, improving the obvious nightmare managing POS's in wormhole space (or any other space for that matter) on all levels; individual/corp/alliance level.

I realise there is some credability issues here, but voting on one the most experienced wormhole players seems like an easy choice for me. I have no grudges with aharm, in fact i enjoyed everytime we got a chance to fight you guys. (the 2 bil isk bhaal was for you!).

+1

Two step
Aperture Harmonics
K162
Posted - 2011.03.09 15:23:00 - [42]
 

Originally by: crazygirly
I like your ideas on making changes on wormhole machinics (my personal idea was to introduce a gadget that can change/keep up/recharge mass/time on a wormhole, fuel required ofcourse), making it somewhat easier to move large fleets through wormholes, and ofcourse, improving the obvious nightmare managing POS's in wormhole space (or any other space for that matter) on all levels; individual/corp/alliance level.

I realise there is some credability issues here, but voting on one the most experienced wormhole players seems like an easy choice for me. I have no grudges with aharm, in fact i enjoyed everytime we got a chance to fight you guys. (the 2 bil isk bhaal was for you!).

+1


Thanks crazygirly, and we are definitely gonna get your corpse next time, crazyfists has been asking about you again recently.

Voting is now live, please go vote. My RL name is Joshua Goldshlag.

Two step
Aperture Harmonics
K162
Posted - 2011.03.09 19:55:00 - [43]
 

I've spent some more time talking to a bunch of different wormhole corporations this morning, and have been having some great discussions. I'd love to hear from more of the smaller w-space corps, please drop me a not if you have any questions, comments or complaints.

Allamarr
Posted - 2011.03.10 02:54:00 - [44]
 

Originally by: FlameGlow
So you live in a wormhole, that makes you a worm real minority in eve, why should you be in council?


Thatís an interesting statement considering that WH space makes up half the systems in EVE. Itís not like he is asking for a majority membership of WH occupants vs K-Space occupants on the CSM. You really think that out of 8 CMSs that not even 1 of them should represent 1/2 of the space in EVE?

I think it would be great to have at least one CSM who can represent the interest of WH residents.

+1 Vote

Linoya Del
Posted - 2011.03.10 03:08:00 - [45]
 

Yea I've been living in Worm space for a while now and while I was impressed with how much was added to it initially I'm very sad that they havn't added anything in a while. Worse they have been making life only harder.

1) Now sleepers Neut so you can't solo even low end sites anymore without spending billions on faction fit ships.
2) Its hard enough to move all the bookmarks from one person to another in wh space since you can't open a trade like in k-space but now you can't even put bookmarks into another players jet can? What was that for except to make it that much harder on us.
3) All the active tank fits my corp used were voided overnight when the sleepers started neuting so fleets of ships were instantly obsolete.
4) There was no increase in reward for doing sites in WH space since

80% of isk from sleeper sites comes fro blue books. The remaining 20% is the only part controled by the player driven market. So even accounting for a decress in supply it adds only a tiny fraction to the expected payouts for any given site. Basically it takes a lot longer now to make a lot less isk.

Meanwhile in 0.0 you can toss up a upgrade hub and farm the best plexes around all day long over and over and they just keep respawning.

No I dont have anything against CCP and obviously I like living in WH space regardless of all this compared to k-space that is but it would be nice to have a CSM who would at least get them to address concerns like this.

Halgirsand Verneraal
Posted - 2011.03.10 05:44:00 - [46]
 

Originally by: De1rdre Lear
Here we have a member of the ally, found guilty in the most notorious exploit-usage in wormholes to date (particulary that bug with infinite turret range in Magnetars). Member of the ally, dreaming of all-WH domination, who will likely continue serving this ally as a CSM member, with all his work there being first of all with the idea of his ally-corp, and only then of all the other wormhole dwellers.

Personally, I do not understand not only why he is here (criminals should not get to politics), but why he was not banned together with everyone else in his corp for that exploit usage.


If he was not banned, then CCP deemed it not an exploit, I suppose.

After all, it's not an exploit to thieve from wrecks to get aggro from FOF missiles and avoid CONCORD response in high security space, when this perfectly fits the definition of "using a game mechanic to obtain a result you are not supposed to obtain".

My point is: CCP decides what is an exploit, and may or may not change its stance at its own discretion. YOU don't.

MisterAl tt1
Posted - 2011.03.10 12:24:00 - [47]
 

Originally by: crazygirly
(my personal idea was to introduce a gadget that can change/keep up/recharge mass/time on a wormhole, fuel required ofcourse), making it somewhat easier to move large fleets through wormholes, and ofcourse...
oh spare me! That's a change AH would celebrate for a week if this ever comes true! As is would be a change designed for THEM! but not for all other corps in class 5-6, as this would result in AH eviction cap-fleet being able to come to every door with little problem, and that is what they need THEIR people in CSM for.

"Ace Secunda, Allamarr" - started asking old friends to damage control? Think noone will check corp histories?

Originally by: Halgirsand Verneraal

If he was not banned, then CCP deemed it not an exploit, I suppose.
...
My point is: CCP decides what is an exploit, and may or may not change its stance at its own discretion. YOU don't.

He himself admits it was an exploit and he himself admits that CCP found it an exploit and fined their corp for 60bil or so (though I too think it was a bannable offence). Seems like you did not bother to read the topic, but for 2 posts.

I am a full-time WH dweller too, and I think that AH coming to CSM is their next step to take control of wormholes for themselves, and their corp prospectives is what they bother about, not all the rest of WH dwellers.

Pocurk
Bite me inc.
Narwhals Ate My Duck
Posted - 2011.03.10 15:55:00 - [48]
 

First of all, i used to be in AHARM, but i hope that doesnt disqalify me from posting here.

Two step was ceo when i was with AHARM, and ive allready voted for him. I would like for atleast one member to be representing the wormhole community and our issues, and since my current ceo isnt running, Two step is as good as it gets, based on the many good people i have run across in eve.

I can apreciate the subject of the whole infinete tracking issue, and i would like to adress it shortly.

The issue was raised by AHARM to CCP - several times as i understand it. That CCP didnt react at the time, i will not blame AHARM - or Two step for tht matter. I have myself spend 3 months explaining CCP about bugs with no effect, and i would not expect anyone to do the same, no matter the issue.

As i see it, the only people that was negatively effected by this, was Rooks and Kings (who attacked AHARM, and (re-)noticed the bug - i tip my hat to them). I would understand them not being happy with the way this was handled - by AHARM and/or CCP.

It is however likely - to me- that AHARM made a ton of isk killing sleepers, while knowing (and using) the tracking issue. But i find it very likely they would have run near the same ammount of sites, had the tracking issue not been in effect.

I will not speak for Ace or Allamar, but i find it VERY unlikely that Ace in particular is posting here by request of Two step. Nor am i for that matter.

Im posting here, because i think Two step will make a good candidate.

+1 vote

Regards,
Pocurk

Two step
Aperture Harmonics
K162
Posted - 2011.03.10 16:57:00 - [49]
 

Originally by: MisterAl tt1
Originally by: crazygirly
(my personal idea was to introduce a gadget that can change/keep up/recharge mass/time on a wormhole, fuel required ofcourse), making it somewhat easier to move large fleets through wormholes, and ofcourse...
oh spare me! That's a change AH would celebrate for a week if this ever comes true! As is would be a change designed for THEM! but not for all other corps in class 5-6, as this would result in AH eviction cap-fleet being able to come to every door with little problem, and that is what they need THEIR people in CSM for.

"Ace Secunda, Allamarr" - started asking old friends to damage control? Think noone will check corp histories?



I didn't ask anyone to post in this thread. There is certainly no love lost between Ace and I, since I was part of the group that asked him to step down as CEO. I would also point out that crazygirly is not in AHARM, and there are plenty of other folks out there that have suggested similar changes. I personally would love to see some way for a player to do interesting things to wormholes. I would also point out that we seem to have no problems moving our "eviction cap fleet" around just fine with the current mechanics, but our targets have a lot more trouble getting reinforcements.

Quote:

Originally by: Halgirsand Verneraal

If he was not banned, then CCP deemed it not an exploit, I suppose.
...
My point is: CCP decides what is an exploit, and may or may not change its stance at its own discretion. YOU don't.

He himself admits it was an exploit and he himself admits that CCP found it an exploit and fined their corp for 60bil or so (though I too think it was a bannable offence). Seems like you did not bother to read the topic, but for 2 posts.

I am a full-time WH dweller too, and I think that AH coming to CSM is their next step to take control of wormholes for themselves, and their corp prospectives is what they bother about, not all the rest of WH dwellers.


Well, I invite you to take some time to talk to me in a convo or something. All I can do is keep repeating that I don't see getting on CSM as step 1 in the "AHARM dominates the world" plan you seem to think we have. I would also point out that if we "took control" of all wormholes all the sudden, we would be very bored. I understand there is a lot of resentment from plenty of folks we have evicted/shot at/whatever, but I am truly trying to represent us all. It seems like most of the other w-space corps/alliances are behind me, and I am pleased they are. While we may shoot at each other, we can all get behind changes like corporation bookmarks, fixing POS mechanics and the like.

MisterAl tt1
Posted - 2011.03.10 17:13:00 - [50]
 

Edited by: MisterAl tt1 on 10/03/2011 17:13:26
Well, what I have to admit is that Two Step is very confident in his answers here, and I respect it. Yet, I will stay with my attitude towards all this.

AFK Master
AFK Chartered System Management
Posted - 2011.03.11 00:21:00 - [51]
 

Originally by: Two step
I think I have been pretty consistent about what happened with the tracking disrupter bug. I made mistakes, my corp made mistakes,

You were very consistent, in taking full advantage of that bug/exploit for months.
I don't call that a mistake.

Weltact
INVICTUS.
Posted - 2011.03.11 00:50:00 - [52]
 

Thread title should state:

[CSM 6] Two step exploits in a wormhole, do you?


Two step
Aperture Harmonics
K162
Posted - 2011.03.11 04:20:00 - [53]
 

I understand some folks are still upset about the whole tracking disrupter thing, but I think I have covered this pretty thoroughly on my blog. If you don't like it, don't vote for me, but there is no need to keep posting the same thing over and over again.

Mag's
the united
Negative Ten.
Posted - 2011.03.11 08:33:00 - [54]
 

Edited by: Mag''s on 11/03/2011 08:33:13
Originally by: Two step
I understand some folks are still upset about the whole tracking disrupter thing, but I think I have covered this pretty thoroughly on my blog. If you don't like it, don't vote for me, but there is no need to keep posting the same thing over and over again.


Pretty thoroughly? If you mean basically saying 'It wasn't me gov' is thorough, then you did a great job in that blog.

You and your corp are nothing but cheating exploiters and now you want in on the CSM for insider knowledge. I'd hate to think what you'd do with that.

Ace Secunda
AQUILA INC
Posted - 2011.03.11 09:17:00 - [55]
 

Edited by: Ace Secunda on 11/03/2011 11:11:57
Good luck Two step

Furb Killer
Gallente
Posted - 2011.03.11 11:36:00 - [56]
 

Quote:
The issue was raised by AHARM to CCP - several times as i understand it.

Raised several times as in: they kept making petitions with different wordings until they found a GM who didnt understand the issue and gave them permission after having a list of GMs declaring it an exploit.


@Two step, even if we ignore that you used it during pvp (honestly i dont get why it would matter if you used it before RNK came or not, you used it in pvp) is it a correct deduction then that you think botting is okay since it is only used for pve?


If people vote for K162 members then that is their choice, but they lose the right to complain when exploits are used (against them) imo.

Two step
Aperture Harmonics
K162
Posted - 2011.03.11 12:48:00 - [57]
 

Edited by: Two step on 11/03/2011 12:48:50
Originally by: Furb Killer
Quote:
The issue was raised by AHARM to CCP - several times as i understand it.

Raised several times as in: they kept making petitions with different wordings until they found a GM who didnt understand the issue and gave them permission after having a list of GMs declaring it an exploit.



Again, if you read my blog, that isn't what happened.

Quote:

@Two step, even if we ignore that you used it during pvp (honestly i dont get why it would matter if you used it before RNK came or not, you used it in pvp) is it a correct deduction then that you think botting is okay since it is only used for pve?



No, that isn't correct. Botting is clearly against the EULA. People should be perma-banned for doing it. Period, end of story.

Quote:

If people vote for K162 members then that is their choice, but they lose the right to complain when exploits are used (against them) imo.


Oh of course, that makes perfect sense.

Look, one of the criteria for being allowed to run as a CSM is that you cannot have any serious warnings or bans against your account. CCP has allowed me to run, therefore *they* consider me not to have been found guilty of exploiting. I understand that people are concerned about the whole thing, and as I have said many many many times by now, it was clearly a mistake, both by me personally and by the corp as a whole. What I am asking is that I am judged only on my personal mistakes, which is that I didn't ask clearly enough about exactly what the GMs said when we were told it was OK to use tracking disruptors.

Detective BigLeg
Posted - 2011.03.11 14:02:00 - [58]
 

Vote to re-elect Mayor Goldie Wilson!

Two step
Aperture Harmonics
K162
Posted - 2011.03.11 23:52:00 - [59]
 

Originally by: Detective BigLeg
Vote to re-elect Mayor Goldie Wilson!


Um, thanks for the obscure Back to the Future reference. Is there some meme going around that I missed?

Two step
Aperture Harmonics
K162
Posted - 2011.03.12 21:55:00 - [60]
 

Thanks to the lost in eve guys, I just participated in a great debate, which should hopefully be posted early next week.


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