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Verone
Gallente
Veto Corp
Posted - 2011.03.02 00:09:00 - [1]
 


Apparently quite a few people on x64 based machines are having problems with Service Pack 1.

Just dropped the download on today through windows update and it killed both of my machines running x64 Ultimate, the two of which have completely different hardware and graphics layouts.

Thankfully I was able to recover my gaming rig without smashing its brains in, however my M11x netbook is shafted and is gonna need a re-install.

Beware when you're updating to SP1, there's a fair few people complaining about registry problems when applying the patch after Windows Update reboots their machine, as well as BSODs and various other issues depending on users hardware sets.

Confused

Alpheias
Euphoria Released
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2011.03.02 00:43:00 - [2]
 

Well, after googling on the subject, most of it is your usual software incompatibility problems with odd hardware issue if you are using something custom.

But as always, keep an updated backup handy.

Taedrin
Gallente
Kushan Industrial
Posted - 2011.03.02 03:15:00 - [3]
 

If I attempt to update to SP1 and I have to re-install, repair or revert to a previous installation, Windows will probably gank my Linux bootloader again.

*le sigh*

Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
Posted - 2011.03.02 05:45:00 - [4]
 

thanks for the heads up :<

Meiyang Lee
Gallente
Azteca Transportation Unlimited
Gunboat Diplomacy
Posted - 2011.03.02 06:59:00 - [5]
 

Installed SP1 a couple of days ago, but thankfully didn't run into any issues.
Guess I was quite lucky, as I do run W7 x64. Smile

Zhim'Fufu
Posted - 2011.03.02 07:01:00 - [6]
 

Are there even any programs out there that need the 64bit version of windows 7? Otherwise why even bother with it as its still pretty buggy from a driver and program point of view. Plus the extra memory it lets you access is of little realistic use unless you are the type to render video as you browse the web and play eve.

Alpheias
Euphoria Released
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2011.03.02 09:38:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Zhim'Fufu
Are there even any programs out there that need the 64bit version of windows 7? Otherwise why even bother with it as its still pretty buggy from a driver and program point of view. Plus the extra memory it lets you access is of little realistic use unless you are the type to render video as you browse the web and play eve.


If you were a milk carton, you'd be so out of date... by almost 10 years.

Tian Jade
Amarr
Bad Bumblebee Incorporated
Posted - 2011.03.02 09:44:00 - [8]
 

I am also using Win 7 64bit and had no problems with SP1 installation.

Cygnus Zhada
Viziam
Posted - 2011.03.02 11:05:00 - [9]
 

Win 7 x64 here, installed SP1 and got no issues. Didn't see any real changes either though.

thatbloke
Gallente
Posted - 2011.03.02 11:33:00 - [10]
 

Installed SP1 on two W7 x64 installs so far, had no issues whatsoever myself.

Furb Killer
Gallente
Posted - 2011.03.02 11:35:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Zhim'Fufu
Are there even any programs out there that need the 64bit version of windows 7? Otherwise why even bother with it as its still pretty buggy from a driver and program point of view. Plus the extra memory it lets you access is of little realistic use unless you are the type to render video as you browse the web and play eve.

W
T
F

Are you serious?

Zhim'Fufu
Posted - 2011.03.02 18:15:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Furb Killer
Originally by: Zhim'Fufu
Are there even any programs out there that need the 64bit version of windows 7? Otherwise why even bother with it as its still pretty buggy from a driver and program point of view. Plus the extra memory it lets you access is of little realistic use unless you are the type to render video as you browse the web and play eve.

W
T
F

Are you serious?
Name them. Nothing I see requires win7 64 unless its some specialty program for doing stuff thats non-gaming or general computing related which is still all pretty much 32-bit. Hell I even installed win7 64 on my computer(my os box has both versions) and experienced zero performance gains over the 32 bit install and actually ran into some compatibility issues for some of my older games and security programs. So yeah for the average everyday computer user there is little to no point in using win7 64 until the mainstream apps all catch up. As far as memory I don't even use all my 3.5 gigs with 5 eve accounts with resource cache on and several browser windows and vent running. Wtf would I need 8 or 16 gigs for? And don't start quoting synthetic benchmarks that give win7 64 uber gains in performance over win7 32. Those things are all useless except to sell new hardware to people who think numbers make a frak of a difference over real world results. So for me running win7 64 got me no real world gains but instead introduced some random but annoying incompatabilities. Hence my stance.

Pr1ncess Alia
Posted - 2011.03.02 19:11:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Zhim'Fufu
Originally by: Furb Killer
Originally by: Zhim'Fufu
Are there even any programs out there that need the 64bit version of windows 7? Otherwise why even bother with it as its still pretty buggy from a driver and program point of view. Plus the extra memory it lets you access is of little realistic use unless you are the type to render video as you browse the web and play eve.

W
T
F

Are you serious?
Name them. Nothing I see requires win7 64 unless its some specialty program for doing stuff thats non-gaming or general computing related which is still all pretty much 32-bit. Hell I even installed win7 64 on my computer(my os box has both versions) and experienced zero performance gains over the 32 bit install and actually ran into some compatibility issues for some of my older games and security programs. So yeah for the average everyday computer user there is little to no point in using win7 64 until the mainstream apps all catch up. As far as memory I don't even use all my 3.5 gigs with 5 eve accounts with resource cache on and several browser windows and vent running. Wtf would I need 8 or 16 gigs for? And don't start quoting synthetic benchmarks that give win7 64 uber gains in performance over win7 32. Those things are all useless except to sell new hardware to people who think numbers make a frak of a difference over real world results. So for me running win7 64 got me no real world gains but instead introduced some random but annoying incompatabilities. Hence my stance.


When I'm at work I get people all the time talking about how they are paying for a gig/tengig/whatever pipe and they can't use it.

It's amazing that some people cannot grasp the concept that just because their network isn't displaying the need or ability to utilize the circuit to it's higher potentials, this does not equate into the circuit not being capable of handling of performing to it's maximum potential.

Your stance is dumb. You initially state doubt that there are any programs out there that take advantage of 64bit, and then move on to explain you only use your pc for eve and as a walkie talkie. As if this somehow validates your previous wtf statement.


Zhim'Fufu
Posted - 2011.03.02 19:20:00 - [14]
 

Edited by: Zhim''Fufu on 02/03/2011 19:23:16
Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia
Your stance is dumb. You initially state doubt that there are any programs out there that take advantage of 64bit, and then move on to explain you only use your pc for eve and as a walkie talkie. As if this somehow validates your previous wtf statement.


Still waiting on a list of programs that require win7 64 and over 4 gigs of ram. Just because I don't do high end video editing or some other niche use that needs as much ram as possible doen't mean I don't use it productively for many common usages like basic video composition or graphics work or high end gaming or any of the thousand other things that don't need a 64 bit operating system and over 4 gigs of ram. When its beneficial to me to go 64bit I will but atm its just not worth the random bugs and incompatabilities. For you that may not be the case but then again your probably not a normal computer user who gets by just spendidly with a middle of the road machine that is 100% stable.

jason hill
Caldari
Clan Shadow Wolf
Fatal Ascension
Posted - 2011.03.02 19:25:00 - [15]
 

just installed the service pack for x64 bit systems ....no apparent problems at this end Question

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2011.03.02 20:15:00 - [16]
 

Updated quite a few days ago. Win7Ult64, no problems. Yet.

AlleyKat
Gallente
The Unwanted.
Posted - 2011.03.02 21:24:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Zhim'Fufu
Still waiting on a list of programs that require win7 64 and over 4 gigs of ram. Just because I don't do high end video editing or some other niche use that needs as much ram as possible doesn't mean I don't use it productively for many common usages like basic video composition or graphics work or high end gaming or any of the thousand other things that don't need a 64 bit operating system and over 4 gigs of ram. When its beneficial to me to go 64bit I will but atm its just not worth the random bugs and incompatibilities. For you that may not be the case but then again your probably not a normal computer user who gets by just splendidly with a middle of the road machine that is 100% stable.


I think you're missing the point.

The installed user-base of 64 bit operating systems today equates to over 53%, that includes PC and MAC. Windows 7 64-bit is currently the highest installed operating system of all, with over 35%.

You're in the minority, and the gap is increasing each day.

This means software in development today must take into account 64-bit.

OT: I have yet to encounter any bugs with SP:1 or Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit in any way, including beta testing.

AK

Vogue
Short Bus Pole Dancers
Posted - 2011.03.02 21:35:00 - [18]
 

For me Windows 7 64 bit is very stable. And I have had no problems with SP1. Though I am sure its possible other people have had problems.

I know corporate IT departments dread deploying Windows service packs to PC's.

It would be nice if corporates and home users had like a ten year run with Windows 7. But the Microsoft treadmill does not work like that.

Nowadays a home user can buy a PC that is as powerful as the most powerful supercomputer in the world from 1991 - can do 50 GFLOPS. And they mostly will use it for web browsing and general desktop applications.

For geeks like us its great as we get faster PC's to play games with and do other stuff. But for the other 97% of people who use a PC do they really need all this power. But I suppose the same logic that makes people buy cars for the road that can do 140mph when they legally can only do around 70mph - bragging rights. And people want their own computing real estate rather than cloud computing which is a good idea.

Zhim'Fufu
Posted - 2011.03.02 21:37:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: AlleyKat
This means software in development today must take into account 64-bit.
Again show me a list of programs that currently require a 64 bit os or would benefit running on it over a 32 bit system of the exact same hardware that take advantage of your majority of 64bit installed users. If and when all my favorite game developers and general software makers like photoshop or open office or whatever program I am using has 64 bit support that is somehow better than the 32 bit support I will glady dust off the win7 64 disk and do a nice fresh install. Hell I might even go with an ssd boot drive and raid up my two sata II drives on a nice promise caching controller card.

But again until I actually need that stuff for my day to day computing needs I just don't see the point of dropping my solid support and reliability for nebulous gains in performance and documented bugs that can be quite nasty if this thread is any indication.

You are the one missing the point.

AlleyKat
Gallente
The Unwanted.
Posted - 2011.03.02 22:44:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Zhim'Fufu
Again show me a list of programs that currently require a 64 bit os or would benefit running on it over a 32 bit system of the exact same hardware that take advantage of your majority of 64bit installed users. If and when all my favourite game developers and general software makers like photoshop or open office or whatever program I am using has 64 bit support that is somehow better than the 32 bit support I will gladly dust off the win7 64 disk and do a nice fresh install. Hell I might even go with an ssd boot drive and raid up my two sata II drives on a nice promise caching controller card.

But again until I actually need that stuff for my day to day computing needs I just don't see the point of dropping my solid support and reliability for nebulous gains in performance and documented bugs that can be quite nasty if this thread is any indication.

You are the one missing the point.


Interesting point regarding your personal opinion that 64 bit Windows 7 has made nebulous claims in performance. The claims are far from nebulous, they are quite stellar; providing an average increase in performance of 10% over 32-bit applications.

The current version of Adobe CS5, which includes Photoshop, is native 64-bit and I can attest the performance benefits are quite real.

If a person believes something, it is not my job to make them believe otherwise; I was merely pointing out very real facts regarding the installed userbase of all operating systems and it would be foolish to think that the future belongs to 32 bit or even 64 bit for that matter.

I would add that if you want a rock solid operating system, I wouldn't use windows full stop, as it will always have some sort of bug somewhere, apparently. Now, you can either enjoy the scenery and listen to the music, or you can complain about the unevenness of the lines on the side of the road - either way the destination is the same, like it or not.

AK

Barakkus
Posted - 2011.03.02 23:49:00 - [21]
 

Edited by: Barakkus on 02/03/2011 23:52:19
Originally by: Zhim'Fufu
Originally by: AlleyKat
This means software in development today must take into account 64-bit.
Again show me a list of programs that currently require a 64 bit os or would benefit running on it over a 32 bit system of the exact same hardware that take advantage of your majority of 64bit installed users. If and when all my favorite game developers and general software makers like photoshop or open office or whatever program I am using has 64 bit support that is somehow better than the 32 bit support I will glady dust off the win7 64 disk and do a nice fresh install. Hell I might even go with an ssd boot drive and raid up my two sata II drives on a nice promise caching controller card.

But again until I actually need that stuff for my day to day computing needs I just don't see the point of dropping my solid support and reliability for nebulous gains in performance and documented bugs that can be quite nasty if this thread is any indication.

You are the one missing the point.


64 bit windows eliminates privilege escalation via the 16 bit subsystem which is still vulnerable in 32 bit windows. Drivers must be digitally signed and aside from addressing memory past the 4 gig boundary, 64 bit windows uses hardware DEP as opposed to 32 bit windows using software DEP. Using the DEP on the processor or other harware is much faster than using software DEP.

There's some reasons besides just memory addressing for you.

Btw: the typical user suffers from a lot of bloat as well...a lot of the time it's not abnormal to see windows using up around 1 gig just sitting there doing nothing due to all the garbage that makes its way on to the PC. Start up a few apps then play something like EverQuest 2 while running some other stuff and you will easily reach the 4 gig mark...something you don't want to have happen is paging ram to disk unnecessarily...it's a huge performance hit...now a days 4 gigs is barely cutting it.

Glarion Garnier
Thermal reaction
Posted - 2011.03.03 02:14:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Barakkus



something you don't want to have happen is paging ram to disk unnecessarily...it's a huge performance hit...now a days 4 gigs is barely cutting it.


Yeah. It's just poor code. I dont mean to say Windows 7 sucks. I mean to say I have seen realtime audio editting beeing done with C64.
That is some optimized code right there. Offcourse the job of MS as a company is not to make optimized code. Their job is to increase the value of the shares of the MS share holders.

Source for my claim. Cubase realtime audio editting for C64. Check the specs of a C64 if you dont remember at the end of the vid. Wink
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDrqBYkco-Y



Barakkus
Posted - 2011.03.03 02:57:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Glarion Garnier
Originally by: Barakkus



something you don't want to have happen is paging ram to disk unnecessarily...it's a huge performance hit...now a days 4 gigs is barely cutting it.


Yeah. It's just poor code. I dont mean to say Windows 7 sucks. I mean to say I have seen realtime audio editting beeing done with C64.
That is some optimized code right there. Offcourse the job of MS as a company is not to make optimized code. Their job is to increase the value of the shares of the MS share holders.

Source for my claim. Cubase realtime audio editting for C64. Check the specs of a C64 if you dont remember at the end of the vid. Wink
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDrqBYkco-Y





LOL
That's ****in great. Just from my experiences doing audio editing with nuendo and how that is sooooooo heavily dependant on having good harware to do more than just 8 tracks, that's quite impressive lol.

Headerman
Minmatar
Quovis
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
Posted - 2011.03.03 06:17:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Zhim'Fufu
Originally by: AlleyKat
This means software in development today must take into account 64-bit.
Again show me a list of programs that currently require a 64 bit os or would benefit running on it over a 32 bit system of the exact same hardware that take advantage of your majority of 64bit installed users. If and when all my favorite game developers and general software makers like photoshop or open office or whatever program I am using has 64 bit support that is somehow better than the 32 bit support I will glady dust off the win7 64 disk and do a nice fresh install. Hell I might even go with an ssd boot drive and raid up my two sata II drives on a nice promise caching controller card.

But again until I actually need that stuff for my day to day computing needs I just don't see the point of dropping my solid support and reliability for nebulous gains in performance and documented bugs that can be quite nasty if this thread is any indication.

You are the one missing the point.


Please stop trolling

William Walker
Amarr
House Aratus
Fatal Ascension
Posted - 2011.03.03 08:04:00 - [25]
 

I also had BSODs and crashes and just on Sunday I couldn't login anymore as it said it could not load the user profile :<

I just quickly reinstalled Windows, most of my games are on Steam anyway and EVE was redownloaded quickly. It is just very annoying.

Tarn Kugisa
Caldari
Estrale Frontiers
Posted - 2011.04.27 22:19:00 - [26]
 

I have a thread with my problem on it after installing SP1 HERE

Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
Posted - 2011.04.27 22:33:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Tarn Kugisa
I have a thread with my problem on it after installing SP1 HERE
Nice necro.

RutilusUnus
Posted - 2011.04.28 00:39:00 - [28]
 

I have had so many random problems with Windows 7 64 bit. I installed a security update and for some strange reason it invalidated half a dozen certificates for drivers on my computer...no drivers for sound, usb ports, wifi card and the mouse. Yeah that was a ****ing blast.

thatbloke
Gallente
Posted - 2011.04.28 14:45:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: RutilusUnus
I have had so many random problems with Windows 7 64 bit. I installed a security update and for some strange reason it invalidated half a dozen certificates for drivers on my computer...no drivers for sound, usb ports, wifi card and the mouse. Yeah that was a ****ing blast.


There was a recent-ish security breach at a number of major security certificate vendors that caused a massive number of very high profile companies to be issued with fake certificates. When found, it caused a number of patches to be very quickly released to revoke these certificates - you may have just been particularly unlucky.

Creepy CousinRoger
Posted - 2011.04.29 13:35:00 - [30]
 

FWIW, I've got Win7 64 SP1 running on 3 different PCs, all custom built, and having no problems.

I'd be real curious to see what exactly it is on some machines that causes the issues.


 

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