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Nova Fox
Gallente
Novafox Shipyards
Posted - 2011.03.01 06:18:00 - [31]
 

At least CCP doesnt have an office in california where the local government is threatening to destroy video game industry from inside out. Where in Georgia the local government is inviting game developers by the dozens for the fact they just bring in local businesses.

Misanthra
Posted - 2011.03.01 06:35:00 - [32]
 

Originally by: Flex Nebura
But I do think ACLU and what else you have, will fight the new internet spying law with tooth and nail. And if not you should suggest they did.


YOu do know patriot act just legalised the thousands of illegal wire taps they were running before it passed right? "We got an anomyous tip" has had many meanings in the past lol.



Flex Nebura
Caldari
Posted - 2011.03.01 06:42:00 - [33]
 

Originally by: Nova Fox
At least CCP doesnt have an office in california where the local government is threatening to destroy video game industry from inside out. Where in Georgia the local government is inviting game developers by the dozens for the fact they just bring in local businesses.


Are you talking about the prohibition of selling violent games to minors? If that is the case I wont argue with your oppinion, even though I dont think it would destroy the industry.

Oh and nice one Georgia.. think I've heard of this one already so I wont bother fact checking it :P

Back on topic though:
Is it horribly unfair to have different prices for different markets? Even after tax. Especially on a global digital product?
Is CCP trying to fleece Europeans?
Can the higher price be justified?

The difference in price is negligable to me, So Im not really bothered. I only started posting here to correct some basic flaws in the premise of the OP.

Nova Fox
Gallente
Novafox Shipyards
Posted - 2011.03.01 06:48:00 - [34]
 

Edited by: Nova Fox on 01/03/2011 06:57:59
Originally by: Misanthra
Originally by: Flex Nebura
But I do think ACLU and what else you have, will fight the new internet spying law with tooth and nail. And if not you should suggest they did.


YOu do know patriot act just legalised the thousands of illegal wire taps they were running before it passed right? "We got an anomyous tip" has had many meanings in the past lol.




Points to wikileaks.

Too all you under educated out there let me spill some light here and there.

The US lines have been for illegally tapped well before the patriot act was even an inkling in the eyes of any law maker, well before terrorist who where fighitng a civil war in saudia arabia even considered the US an oppenent keeping thier rivals alive. The old system monitors for specific words then flags the conversaition for further investigation which is how some assintation plots have been intercepted in the past. Hostile subjects already had thier lines tapped after being tracked and trailed when they enter the coutnry in order to acheive or prove suspecion usually at a judges approval, patriot act just streamlines the process, removed months of paperwork and potentially allows to snare the criminal before he acts. Postcrime the simple and polite asking of any and every phone carrier then and now as any bad business isnt good for any phone business. Yet seems nobody seems to understand how they get records of phone conversations concerning conspirations to murder into the courts.

Your phones are listened to, your communications are monitored and eveyrthing you transmit is being listened on, because honestly there is no other choice there rarely anyway today you can mesage another person directly over great distances without involving a third party who cares little about your plight and probably never will. Because due to the proximity of information is to each other and interconnectivity. A point, there are people who exist on the internet, and yet they've never seen or even come close to a computer for more than 100 miles away and yet one can draw a pertty scary picture of thier life from infomration easily found on the net. Basically as time goes on you just talk louder and louder metaphorically if the government isnt listening, your advertisers are.

Luckily unlike china at least I can type Bomb in a thread such as this and the police wont show up to my door to make me dissapear.

Now end of rant.

Onto Topic

Yeah Georgia is trying to keep its budgets healthy by inviting new industries in and they see video games as one such "High Technology" jobs that may help the state in the long run. But California's meangering almost got super mario brothers banned on the grounds of animal cruelty twoards turtles and decry that ESRB rules are being followed despite numerous studies show that it wsa PARENTS failing the ESRB test, not the ESRB board who rates games.

As for europe they're struggeling. years of social ideas have created a workforce that isnt as pro productive than in the past and they're forced to find way to keep afloat, I belive the tax we are looking for is quoted to be the VATs tax which is a highly stressful tax the europeans have to shoulder espeically for online transactions which are determential to internet businesses. Something california already has in effect and it hurt my pocket seriously as they did charge a nice 350$ on my computer monitor I use to draw with.

Flex Nebura
Caldari
Posted - 2011.03.01 06:51:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: Misanthra
Originally by: Flex Nebura
But I do think ACLU and what else you have, will fight the new internet spying law with tooth and nail. And if not you should suggest they did.


YOu do know patriot act just legalised the thousands of illegal wire taps they were running before it passed right? "We got an anomyous tip" has had many meanings in the past lol.



I didnt know that... They are on to us... RUN

That is some serious **** right there. Civil liberties are pretty hard to get in the first place. And if you lose them, they are even harder to get back.
It's damn hard to argue for the right to privacy when you are met with: "What do you need privacy for? To plot against us? Share kiddy **** or copyrighted material?"
Replying: "None of your damn business", doesnt really win that argument.

Flex Nebura
Caldari
Posted - 2011.03.01 06:58:00 - [36]
 

Originally by: Nova Fox
Originally by: Misanthra
Originally by: Flex Nebura
But I do think ACLU and what else you have, will fight the new internet spying law with tooth and nail. And if not you should suggest they did.


YOu do know patriot act just legalised the thousands of illegal wire taps they were running before it passed right? "We got an anomyous tip" has had many meanings in the past lol.




Points to wikileaks.

Too all you under educated out there let me spill some light here and there....

....because honestly there is no other choice there rarely anyway today you can mesage another person directly over great distances without involving a third party who cares little about your plight and probably never will.

Luckily unlike china at least I can type Bomb in a thread such as this and the police wont show up to my door to make me dissapear.


The point of the new law would be to compel comunication providers and encryption companies to keep decrypt keys so they would be able to comply with previous laws and actually hand over the chat logs or what not that are encrypted and to do so in decrypted format.

Sorry CCP & Kimli. I think this thread is hopelessly derailed and showing no sign of getting back on track.

Flex Nebura
Caldari
Posted - 2011.03.01 07:15:00 - [37]
 

Originally by: Nova Fox
Edited by: Nova Fox on 01/03/2011 06:57:59
Onto Topic

Yeah Georgia is trying to keep its budgets healthy by inviting new industries in and they see video games as one such "High Technology" jobs that may help the state in the long run. But California's meangering almost got super mario brothers banned on the grounds of animal cruelty twoards turtles and decry that ESRB rules are being followed despite numerous studies show that it wsa PARENTS failing the ESRB test, not the ESRB board who rates games.

As for europe they're struggeling. years of social ideas have created a workforce that isnt as pro productive than in the past and they're forced to find way to keep afloat, I belive the tax we are looking for is quoted to be the VATs tax which is a highly stressful tax the europeans have to shoulder espeically for online transactions which are determential to internet businesses. Something california already has in effect and it hurt my pocket seriously as they did charge a nice 350$ on my computer monitor I use to draw with.


I am not surprized parents failed the ESRB, it just seems like many parents aren't making much of an effort with their kids.

YAY back on the rails.. though perhaps its a different track Razz

As for the VAT the US has similar taxes and I previously mentioned that they are working on taxing online services such as subscriptions.
I see you are already feeling some of that.
But VAT isnt really the issue in this case, though I used it to explain away the majority of the pricing diference.
I asume the US equivalent of VAT would be added to the 14.99$ Atleast us europeans are told upfront what the total charge is. It really sucks having to mentally ad some percentage.. With 25% VAT it is aleast fairly easy to do. But its still a PITA, I should know as I have done accounting in the past.

But still we have a discrepancy of about 10%, assuming no US VAT. I would like to know if anyone is paying US "VAT" on their EVE subscription.

Airu Naari
The Noxious
Posted - 2011.03.01 07:27:00 - [38]
 

/signed

I am from Europe and soon moving to live in Australia, but I still want my buddies from Croatia to pay the same as the rest of the world (so everyone should pay the same amount - and make it 15$ not 15 :P).

Flex Nebura
Caldari
Posted - 2011.03.01 07:36:00 - [39]
 

Edited by: Flex Nebura on 01/03/2011 08:03:32
Originally by: Airu Naari
/signed

I am from Europe and soon moving to live in Australia, but I still want my buddies from Croatia to pay the same as the rest of the world (so everyone should pay the same amount - and make it 15$ not 15 :P).


Are you from croatia? If that is the case I would think you could choose to pay in USD as neither Iceland nor Croatia are members of the EU yet.

Just had a quick look at GTC retailers:
Russian site sells the same 60d GTC as the North American sites for the same dollar price. quoted as being 28 EURO
German site sold it for about 30.5 EURO
Also looked at the Asian site that offered it for 2131 ePoints, and I then had a look at what it would set me back to buy those points: 44!! Euros with 219 ePoints to spare..Shocked Recon that comes out to about 42 Euros
Puts a bit of perspective on things

Belfelmalak
Posted - 2011.03.01 08:13:00 - [40]
 

It makes me wonder if the West at least would not be better off with a single currency for the US, Europe and other major industrialized countries.

It probably will happen sooner or later.


John Maynard Keynes
Posted - 2011.03.01 10:28:00 - [41]
 

Originally by: Kimli
Originally by: Antihrist Pripravnik
Originally by: Flex Nebura
In the VAT rules quoted, the wrong section is highlighted for the wrong reasons as CCP is not based in the EU.

Now if the one above had been highlighted.. thats the part that has to do with EU players.


Well, technically yes. Iceland is an acknowledged candidate for entering EU and a member of EEA (European Economic Area), and as such they have to pass some rules and regulations of the EU even if they are not members yet. It's possible that VAT is included in those regulations.

As you've said, it's not even important, because EU resident must pay VAT for e-services even if the country that is providing them outside of the EU. Basically, if you are in EU, you must pay VAT in any case possible.


No matter what its still BS , since blizzard are charging less in euro / pounds.

And how to the person who was stupid enough to comment about economy in europe about salaries, your so wrong , swedish salaries are not very high, though they have somewhat decent tax, we have decent to good salaries in denmark, but skyhigh taxes on everything, we basicly pay 3 times as much for the same car as a swedish person does f.x

don't comment on **** you dont know about, polish people are also being charged 15 euro a month, however their wages are really really ****, my gf which is polish has a college education within making commercials/advertisement for companies, basic pay a month there for that type of work would be 1500 zloty , which equals about 380 euro a month, tho however they have low living costs.

But dont talk about **** you dont know nothing about when it comes to europe, the arrogance of americans are hilarious isnt it.

So yes as a european, were getting ripped off for the same service, even though alot of countries within EU have lower salary wages than people in the US.

If blizzard can charge european customers less in , so can CCP, why should we resort to tax evation or otherwise in order to pay for gametime, basic math here for you.

15 USD is 82 dkk ,- a month.
15 euro is 112 dkk ,- a month.

The difference is quite high in the long run.


Holy ****, that is so hillarious!

Blizzard has like 12mil paying customers and CCP less than 500k, while both companies have most probably comparable fix costs.

I hope you are smart enough to understand what this means for CCP.

Besides that, why don't you just pay for your subscription in $ ?

Suiginryou Hitaiga
Caldari
Posted - 2011.03.01 11:32:00 - [42]
 

CCP will change nothing. Now move along.
[/thread]

Kimli
Posted - 2011.03.01 12:53:00 - [43]
 

Originally by: John Maynard Keynes
Originally by: Kimli
Originally by: Antihrist Pripravnik
Originally by: Flex Nebura
In the VAT rules quoted, the wrong section is highlighted for the wrong reasons as CCP is not based in the EU.

Now if the one above had been highlighted.. thats the part that has to do with EU players.


Well, technically yes. Iceland is an acknowledged candidate for entering EU and a member of EEA (European Economic Area), and as such they have to pass some rules and regulations of the EU even if they are not members yet. It's possible that VAT is included in those regulations.

As you've said, it's not even important, because EU resident must pay VAT for e-services even if the country that is providing them outside of the EU. Basically, if you are in EU, you must pay VAT in any case possible.


No matter what its still BS , since blizzard are charging less in euro / pounds.

And how to the person who was stupid enough to comment about economy in europe about salaries, your so wrong , swedish salaries are not very high, though they have somewhat decent tax, we have decent to good salaries in denmark, but skyhigh taxes on everything, we basicly pay 3 times as much for the same car as a swedish person does f.x

don't comment on **** you dont know about, polish people are also being charged 15 euro a month, however their wages are really really ****, my gf which is polish has a college education within making commercials/advertisement for companies, basic pay a month there for that type of work would be 1500 zloty , which equals about 380 euro a month, tho however they have low living costs.

But dont talk about **** you dont know nothing about when it comes to europe, the arrogance of americans are hilarious isnt it.

So yes as a european, were getting ripped off for the same service, even though alot of countries within EU have lower salary wages than people in the US.

If blizzard can charge european customers less in , so can CCP, why should we resort to tax evation or otherwise in order to pay for gametime, basic math here for you.

15 USD is 82 dkk ,- a month.
15 euro is 112 dkk ,- a month.

The difference is quite high in the long run.


Holy ****, that is so hillarious!

Blizzard has like 12mil paying customers and CCP less than 500k, while both companies have most probably comparable fix costs.

I hope you are smart enough to understand what this means for CCP.

Besides that, why don't you just pay for your subscription in $ ?



I can buy GTC's like everyone else yes for is it 35$ from shatteredcrystal or any of the other retailers, but that would include me be willing to give my CC info to either google checkout, paypal or other sites which has had numerous security breakdowns, i think the last couple of years ive had to replace my CC 2-3 times a day due to sites being tampered with, and no its not on my end, i run with vpn and proxies , so all my data is encrypted and what not, dont even go there, i know how to cover my own ass, if just some of theese sites were just as good.

Then there is another option, tax evation, make a fake US address, oh wait allready got one, but using it for my iphone so i can get access to the US app store since its 100 times better.

Why can't we just get treated equally , then i'd pay for 6-12 month subscription packs and be on my marry way.

Doesn't matter if blizzard has 12 million subscribers and actually they don't , i think only like 3-4 million people actually bought cataclysm when it came out, wow still has alot of hype yes, but not that much anymore.

CCP is a much older company in mmo's than blizzard, but also less in expenses , so doesnt really matter that much with the subscriber base.

if we all get treated equally , there wouldnt be a problem.

Nova Fox
Gallente
Novafox Shipyards
Posted - 2011.03.01 13:46:00 - [44]
 

Then again considering the Euro is still unstable and stumbeling as a newborn in terms of strength, I mean the strength of the euro varies from country to country as well, where a country like spain weighs it differently from a country like frace would. It be entirely unfair to players who where paying 14 euros suddenly finding themselves having to pay more when its no longer worth its value.

The dollar has had similar turmiol in the past like a dollar in new york was highly undervalued while in the south is bought alot more. Now adays all 50 governments in the US value the dollar about the same with minor flux between them.

Also our 15 USD is pretaxed before it ever reaches our wallet so probably was around 20 USD before taxes wheren implied on it but thats very situational.

De'Veldrin
Minmatar
Norse'Storm Battle Group
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2011.03.01 14:00:00 - [45]
 

Originally by: Kimli
i think the last couple of years ive had to replace my CC 2-3 times a day due to sites being tampered with


Dude if I need to replace my CC it takes me at least a week. Who do you bank with that you can get a couple of them a day?!

Also, I'm still calling troll. If you're replacing your CC that often due to online purchasing, you're doing something wrong, or visiting dodgy websites you're not talking about here. I shop online at least once a month, pay 98% of my bills online, and use it to pay for my three Eve accounts when I can't be bothered to play enough to score plexes, and the only time I have to replace my credit card is when it expires.

Nova Fox
Gallente
Novafox Shipyards
Posted - 2011.03.01 14:04:00 - [46]
 

Edited by: Nova Fox on 01/03/2011 14:18:48

Then again we are talking about a country group of nations that now just decided to ban PS3 Console Imports entirely.

Spirulina Laxissima
Minmatar
TotalControl Inc.
Posted - 2011.03.01 17:57:00 - [47]
 

So the $ is currently lower than the ?
Anyone remember how it was only 4 years ago?

Here's the deal:
Lets say someone who works in Europe makes 10,000. He pays ~15 per month for EVE.
Someone in America works at a similar job making $10,000. He pays ~$15/month.

This is similar to the whole DVD/Blu-Ray region-code issue.
The data encoded on the discs is the same worldwide (respectively).
But people in, say India, can't afford the high prices in Europe (around 25), and so they sell them at a proportional price in India. Of course they in turn encode the discs with their region-codes so that westerners are locked-in to their pricing-scheme.
You might claim that U.S. uses NTSC, EU PAL, and the Indians whatever they use, and your claim has merit -correction: HAD merit- about ten years ago.
Nowadays TV's are also produced to a worldwide industrial standard, and only the 'graphics card' is different, unless its hard-coded in and resettable with a manufacturer's code.

So, to get a bit closer to the topic again, IMHO CCP is being very fair with their current practice, and you never know how currencies will fluctuate in the future.

entroncas
Caldari
Catalina Operations and Logistics Division
Supernova Federation
Posted - 2011.03.01 18:48:00 - [48]
 

/signed

i'm european also and would like to see this currency thing fixed since europeans pay more than americans to play this game.

Nova Fox
Gallente
Novafox Shipyards
Posted - 2011.03.02 00:47:00 - [49]
 

Edited by: Nova Fox on 02/03/2011 00:56:10
From 2000-2003 americans would paid more for eve than european players if eve existed for parts of it back then would it be fair to make americans pay less then? Would you calm thier quaint complaints by saying nothing is wrong and the differences is in taxes?

I think we are all getting a bit jaded here though. Protectism runs strong here.

Then again the most you ever paid for eve was back in 2008 in euros. Today its alot cheaper comparitively but if you look at taxes for corporations I do belvie europe is pertty bad for it which is why alot of businesses are moving to the states when and if they can to escape the extreme taxes that heavier social countries place on all organization and individuals.

Kimli
Posted - 2011.03.02 06:15:00 - [50]
 

Originally by: Nova Fox
Edited by: Nova Fox on 02/03/2011 00:56:10
From 2000-2003 americans would paid more for eve than european players if eve existed for parts of it back then would it be fair to make americans pay less then? Would you calm thier quaint complaints by saying nothing is wrong and the differences is in taxes?

I think we are all getting a bit jaded here though. Protectism runs strong here.

Then again the most you ever paid for eve was back in 2008 in euros. Today its alot cheaper comparitively but if you look at taxes for corporations I do belvie europe is pertty bad for it which is why alot of businesses are moving to the states when and if they can to escape the extreme taxes that heavier social countries place on all organization and individuals.


Except Eve was released what the summer 2003, so yea doubt that.

and the euro has allways been higher valued than the dollar, so don't really know what your talking about, and yes most companies do move their headquarters out of europe because of taxations from right and people, but the common man just can't pick up his roots and go away.

and compared that the average income salary in denmark is no more than 33.500 euro a year, before taxes ! , taxes are 38% , then you have church tax which is 1.2% , there is the arbejdsmarked ( worktax ) thing, best thing i can explain it to , which is 8%, so we allmost pay 50% out of our salaries.

I really doubt the common man in america pays even close to that in tax.

Kimli
Posted - 2011.03.02 06:18:00 - [51]
 

Originally by: De'Veldrin
Originally by: Kimli
i think the last couple of years ive had to replace my CC 2-3 times a day due to sites being tampered with


Dude if I need to replace my CC it takes me at least a week. Who do you bank with that you can get a couple of them a day?!

Also, I'm still calling troll. If you're replacing your CC that often due to online purchasing, you're doing something wrong, or visiting dodgy websites you're not talking about here. I shop online at least once a month, pay 98% of my bills online, and use it to pay for my three Eve accounts when I can't be bothered to play enough to score plexes, and the only time I have to replace my credit card is when it expires.


I meant 2-3 times a year, you should have been able to tell that was a obvious typo from my part, sometimes you think one thing and write/say another, depends on whats on your mind and how distracted you are, so don't try and troll me with it.

Kimli
Posted - 2011.03.02 06:25:00 - [52]
 

Originally by: Nova Fox
Then again considering the Euro is still unstable and stumbeling as a newborn in terms of strength, I mean the strength of the euro varies from country to country as well, where a country like spain weighs it differently from a country like frace would. It be entirely unfair to players who where paying 14 euros suddenly finding themselves having to pay more when its no longer worth its value.

The dollar has had similar turmiol in the past like a dollar in new york was highly undervalued while in the south is bought alot more. Now adays all 50 governments in the US value the dollar about the same with minor flux between them.

Also our 15 USD is pretaxed before it ever reaches our wallet so probably was around 20 USD before taxes wheren implied on it but thats very situational.


Well yes and no , the euro has been stable between 7.44 and 7.50 to 1,- dkk for an entire year, while the dollar swings from 5.50 last year in april to 6.22 around summertime last year and then rapidly dropping again to 5.23 in november and then a little up and down since that, but it has been staying low lately i can see.

So while our euro is steady and has been so for an entire year, were still paying the same high price for eve a month for years.

http://www.valutakurser.dk/currency/showgraph.aspx?valutaid=233058

this graph will show you for 5 years, our euro has gone from 7.44 to 7.50 to 1 dkk, for the last 5 years have it been stable, ccp has no excuse for charging the ass out of europeans.

Nova Fox
Gallente
Novafox Shipyards
Posted - 2011.03.02 06:57:00 - [53]
 

Edited by: Nova Fox on 02/03/2011 07:07:19
Well according to the flash charts on a few money exchange websites the Eruo is on a semi decline since 2008 though. Which is less stable than oh say Yen vs the Dollar which has been for about a good 20 years 100 yen to the dollar.

While Ill have no idea how much a Denmark Currency is weiged the euro verses the dollar at 1.3(2010) dollars to buy one euro is current trending and highest its ever been is 1.6(2008)USD to buy one eruo and the lowest is one dollar buying 0.8 (2002) euros.

There was also a nice economic report if I can ever find it again that points out on how much overprices is made with the euro in various countries, basically paying more for goods that would nomrally have costed in other currencies. But you know how college papers are, they wind up on the internet then get buried by it.

14$USD will barely get you cheap t-shirt with print on it as thats the only thing that I can easily come up with that would help measure valued good between countries and its probably the only appropiate casual wear you can get at 14usd. As pants shoes and additional stuff is far more expensive.

Kimli
Posted - 2011.03.02 09:34:00 - [54]
 

Originally by: Nova Fox
Edited by: Nova Fox on 02/03/2011 07:07:19
Well according to the flash charts on a few money exchange websites the Eruo is on a semi decline since 2008 though. Which is less stable than oh say Yen vs the Dollar which has been for about a good 20 years 100 yen to the dollar.

While Ill have no idea how much a Denmark Currency is weiged the euro verses the dollar at 1.3(2010) dollars to buy one euro is current trending and highest its ever been is 1.6(2008)USD to buy one eruo and the lowest is one dollar buying 0.8 (2002) euros.

There was also a nice economic report if I can ever find it again that points out on how much overprices is made with the euro in various countries, basically paying more for goods that would nomrally have costed in other currencies. But you know how college papers are, they wind up on the internet then get buried by it.

14$USD will barely get you cheap t-shirt with print on it as thats the only thing that I can easily come up with that would help measure valued good between countries and its probably the only appropiate casual wear you can get at 14usd. As pants shoes and additional stuff is far more expensive.


hell even a pair of boxers in denmark of the semi no-name brand "Brand-o" will cost you a minimum of 10 usd , everything is expensive in denmark because of our semi high standards within salary, a cleaning lady job pays 20-25 usd a hour, people at cash registers in supermarkets get 20 dollars tops i believe, cleaning jobs pay more.

but then again we have skyhigh taxes and skyhigh taxes on everything else, and then we have companies like ccp trying to rip us off for the only joy a man can have after a hard days of work.

Spirulina Laxissima
Minmatar
TotalControl Inc.
Posted - 2011.03.02 14:44:00 - [55]
 

Originally by: Kimli
[...]the euro has allways been higher valued than the dollar[...]


Check this nice presentation (relevant data on page 8), where you can clearly see a period between 2000 and 2003 where the was smaller than the $.

But no matter the current currency conversion rates, IMO EVE is competitively priced based on what the players earn in their respective countries.

De'Veldrin
Minmatar
Norse'Storm Battle Group
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2011.03.02 15:23:00 - [56]
 

Originally by: Kimli
Originally by: De'Veldrin
Originally by: Kimli
i think the last couple of years ive had to replace my CC 2-3 times a day due to sites being tampered with


Dude if I need to replace my CC it takes me at least a week. Who do you bank with that you can get a couple of them a day?!

Also, I'm still calling troll. If you're replacing your CC that often due to online purchasing, you're doing something wrong, or visiting dodgy websites you're not talking about here. I shop online at least once a month, pay 98% of my bills online, and use it to pay for my three Eve accounts when I can't be bothered to play enough to score plexes, and the only time I have to replace my credit card is when it expires.


I meant 2-3 times a year, you should have been able to tell that was a obvious typo from my part, sometimes you think one thing and write/say another, depends on whats on your mind and how distracted you are, so don't try and troll me with it.


The first part was meant as a bit of humor. Sorry you missed that. I would have thought that would have been o bvious, since no one with any experience using a bank would reasonably assume you could get a new card in less than a day, much less two or three of them.

It's the second part that was serious, and that still stands. If you have to replace your card every few months due to your account security on some website being hacked, you are either doing something very wrong, or using some dodgy websites you shouldn't have been at in the first place.

Alternatively, you cold just be overly paranoid, which would also fit in with your "CCP discriminates against Europeans" stance.

Nova Fox
Gallente
Novafox Shipyards
Posted - 2011.03.02 15:30:00 - [57]
 

Originally by: Kimli

hell even a pair of boxers in denmark of the semi no-name brand "Brand-o" will cost you a minimum of 10 usd , everything is expensive in denmark because of our semi high standards within salary, a cleaning lady job pays 20-25 usd a hour, people at cash registers in supermarkets get 20 dollars tops i believe, cleaning jobs pay more.

but then again we have skyhigh taxes and skyhigh taxes on everything else, and then we have companies like ccp trying to rip us off for the only joy a man can have after a hard days of work.


Unfourtunately the states is a collection of fifty countries each one with thier own tax laws, as of now i if moved to texas ill pay no state tax at all becuase of my status as a veteran. Where in california I get taxed regardless. Unfourtuantely america has evolved into a nation of spending, the more it spends the more jobs it has even if that money isnt there anymore.

I would love to see a further reduction in prices of eve though what would be a welcomed change by everyone. Knock it down to 12 or lower but I think ccp is going to wait until they have two chickens in the basket before letting all the eggs drop. CCP doesnt have the revenue juggernaughts of companies like acitivsion or EA but they're on the path on becoming a major developer at least. But at the rate EU keeps destroying the video game industry they may move out entirely and not have to deal with VATS and additional fees and fines and into georgia where they would actually enjoy a tax break because they are a technology sector job hiring people. Despite Blizzard is in california the worst they have to deal with is california laws and they're big enough the taxes dont bother them or thier 10% profits (illegal in the states to have companies make more than 15% in profit, money has to be spent back into the compnay or on customers, most voulenteer spending it back into the company) Though im not sure how much pure proftis ccp makes they seem to be spending alot into RnD and breaking game industries firsts.

Gary Aramachi
Posted - 2011.03.02 16:38:00 - [58]
 

/signed. Regardless of whats said about VAT/exchange rate i still think that EVE does cost a lot to play, where i used to pay around 9.00 per month back in 2005, i now pay in 2011 about 11/12 per month (ive got 3 accounts) after the change over in payment currencies with CCP for EU players.

The price of the game has been one of the main reasons why i have taken breaks in the game from time to time. And it may actually attract more people to play EVE if it was reduced by 1/2 to bring it in line with mmo's like WOW (heck may even attract some of the older wow player :P)

Flex Nebura
Caldari
Posted - 2011.03.02 17:22:00 - [59]
 

Good to see that the discussion is back on track.

And it just occured to me, that it is more expensive to sell games in the EU cause of Germany.

They require you to make localized versions.
Russians get that service for free though. But I would hazard a guess that localized clients is more important for bringing in players from russia than it is for german players, legal issues aside.

Atleast that is one are where CCP could have a reason for a higher subscription cost.

And if CCP werr to balance the prices, wouldnt it make more sense to increase the price in USD? I mean our wages should have increased in the past 10 years and yet PC games havent really gone up in price.(not sure actually) Atleat the subscribtions havent gone up. In fact they have gone down in a bid to grab market shares.
But EVE being a rather specialized game, it doesnt really have to fight for market shares on prize. Even if it does so on initial cost and free expantions.
Its not often a product keeps the same price for 10 years or even gets much cheaper once it has established itself on the market. The cost usually goes up to follow inflation.

Avon
Caldari
Versatech Co.
Raiden.
Posted - 2011.03.02 18:58:00 - [60]
 

It is worth pointing out that if you live in the EU and buy GTCs in US$ you are legally obliged to declare the VAT you have evaded paying.

Now, I doubt that any individuals actually do this, either because they know they are unlikely to get caught or they don't realise they are comitting an offence.

CCP, however, aren't going to get away with defrauding the European VAT system.

The relative value of the $ vs the will fluctuate, but the majority of the difference is due to tax. Realistically I don't expect CCP to adjust the prices on a daily basis in order to mitigate the effect of the currency fluctuations.


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