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SXmasteraccount
Posted - 2011.02.27 18:12:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: SXmasteraccount on 30/04/2011 01:50:34

Bold text is not just there for show. Please read this forum before posting "No" or "Seen this before"


Classic Scenario:

So I sold my character and purchased a new character on the Character Bazaar. It's name pretty much sucks and to top it off now there is someone in my corp with a name pronounced the same, only spelled different. Listening in on Comms (TS3 or Vent) is a nightmare.

The reason for purchase? Finding characters with exactly what you want is no small feat.

There is no option and has never been an option to rename this character. I petition to change it and get denied because it violates CCP's policies and procedures. .... *Facepalm*

-Implement this option as a stand alone service with a 5 to 10 dollar fee.
-Include a single time use to Rename the character and change the portrait upon purchasing the character.
-In the next patch add a 'Name History' tab similar to Employment History so the so called "identity" is never erased or just combine both tabs.

Not only will this give CCP another service to offer customers to actually make us happy it will also bring in new sources of revenue currently being denied. The demand is there and the only supply is to illegally sell the account and make a new one or to purchase a character.

So it's either supporting RMT or supporting Whoring yourself (My so called identity) out. Are these two options something CCP wishes to further promote? Blasphemy!



Edit in as of 3/6/2011:

I'd like to emphasize in this original post that creating a history like this creates API options as well.
For this option to be implemented these would also need to happen as well;

Name changes would be required to NOT remove or alter any standings or notes.

Name changes would be required to flag a character who has recently had a name change for x amount of days/weeks. (A simple small icon, color display, or even an asterisk would be enough.)



Edit in as of 4/30/2011: I have added a summary to page 9, the current last page. Find it here

SXmasteraccount
Posted - 2011.02.27 18:15:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: SXmasteraccount on 27/02/2011 18:42:08



CCP your top competition offers this service to their customers:

http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/2531/ccpdenies.jpg

So I challenge CCP, Please demonstrate how identity is lost with this service if you design a simple tab that records all histories.

Please see this image for a crude example: (CCP Character chosen at random)
http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/4020/historychange.jpg

Images changed to links. Spitfire

Kalia Masaer
Amarr Border Defense Consortium
Posted - 2011.02.27 19:13:00 - [3]
 

I am actually inclined to agree this should exist as many people chose stupid names when they start and only regret them as they grow older, and eve is a game where people play for a long time.

Mag's
the united
Negative Ten.
Posted - 2011.02.27 19:20:00 - [4]
 

No thanks.

Next time, make sure the name of the char you are buying, is one that you can live with. Wink

AnonyTerrorNinja
Minmatar
Atomic Geese
Posted - 2011.02.27 19:21:00 - [5]
 

If I recall there's a statement regarding name changes somewhere that amounts to

"As your name becomes associated with an identity in terms of both play style and personality, name changes are not permitted for the sake of maintaining community spirit. If name changes were allowed it would become too easy for any one player to remain entirely anonymous, which is already achieved to some extent via the character trade facility."


Anyway, I personally don't think this is something that should be allowed, because it would be too open to abuse and quite simply doesn't feel right.

A single name change permitted within a very limited timeframe? Fine.
A single character recustomization in terms of its appearance, limited to its race (not the current bloodline and sex restriction)? Fine.

But not a complete name change.


A changed name field wouldn't serve to remedy the above mentioned 'issue' as one could just as easily argue that your character was renamed after being donated to another player or anything of the sort, adding to confusion and/or issues when dealing with suspected corpthieves or corpie-killers, to name just two potentially volatile scenarios.

Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
Amarr
Posted - 2011.02.27 20:23:00 - [6]
 

Allow a single name change, paid for, and add name history tab to the character info the same as there's an employment history.

It could almost be cool:

Quote:
Character name: Starky Lucent, aka Suckmy Balls (2008/12/08 to 2011/01/09)


Disclaimer: I haven't checked those names so in case they do exist, that's purely coincidental.

SXmasteraccount
Posted - 2011.02.27 20:28:00 - [7]
 

Edited by: SXmasteraccount on 27/02/2011 20:32:06
Originally by: Mag's
No thanks.

Next time, make sure the name of the char you are buying, is one that you can live with. Wink


Okay, so you're only dispute is because you want to troll people. A "No thanks" doesn't contribute to the thread or my original point that there is revenue and customer satisfaction being missed by lack of this service.

Post something useful that establishes a point as to why you disagree or nothing at all.

Mag's
the united
Negative Ten.
Posted - 2011.02.27 20:31:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: SXmasteraccount
Originally by: Mag's
No thanks.

Next time, make sure the name of the char you are buying, is one that you can live with. Wink


Okay, so you're only dispute is because you want to troll people.

Hey you bought the char, I think you trolled yourself. Laughing

SXmasteraccount
Posted - 2011.02.27 20:37:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: AnonyTerrorNinja
If I recall there's a statement regarding name changes somewhere that amounts to

"As your name becomes associated with an identity in terms of both play style and personality, name changes are not permitted for the sake of maintaining community spirit. If name changes were allowed it would become too easy for any one player to remain entirely anonymous, which is already achieved to some extent via the character trade facility."


Anyway, I personally don't think this is something that should be allowed, because it would be too open to abuse and quite simply doesn't feel right.

A single name change permitted within a very limited timeframe? Fine.
A single character recustomization in terms of its appearance, limited to its race (not the current bloodline and sex restriction)? Fine.

But not a complete name change.


A changed name field wouldn't serve to remedy the above mentioned 'issue' as one could just as easily argue that your character was renamed after being donated to another player or anything of the sort, adding to confusion and/or issues when dealing with suspected corpthieves or corpie-killers, to name just two potentially volatile scenarios.



Why all the technicalities? They serve no further purpose in name changing and only that in securing trade. This idea was not to improve trade securities. The Name change history field I presented in the OP is as much security as an individual will find in eve as the game stands now.

SXmasteraccount
Posted - 2011.02.27 20:40:00 - [10]
 

Edited by: SXmasteraccount on 27/02/2011 20:41:31
Originally by: Mag's

Hey you bought the char, I think you trolled yourself. Laughing


I'm fine with using the character, however I want to change the name now because of the situation.

The point of this thread is to establish that a service can be established without negative impacts to game-play that will improve customer satisfaction. This service would NOT affect you in anyway and would even allow CCP to obtain more income. All you are doing is trolling and not contributing a reason or argument as to why you do not want this feature..

Selinate
Amarr
Posted - 2011.02.27 20:43:00 - [11]
 

I think they should be allowed when buying a character.

This is the only instance in which I can agree that they should be allowed.

I actually would like to be able to change my name, but I understand the reasoning on both sides.

Mag's
the united
Negative Ten.
Posted - 2011.02.27 21:09:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: SXmasteraccount
I'm fine with using the character, however I want to change the name now because of the situation.

You can't expect CCP to change there stance, simply because of your situation.
And those 'technicalities' are CCP's reasoning for not allowing the change. As it's their game, they can use whatever reason or technicality they want. They didn't just pluck the idea out of thin air, it would have been discussed at length.
It's also a regular idea, in this section.


Originally by: Selinate
I think they should be allowed when buying a character.

Too easily abused.

shady trader
Posted - 2011.02.27 22:00:00 - [13]
 

The idea of being able to change a characters name comes up every couple of months.

CCP have been very clear on that your actions have consequences and that they are tided to the character name.

Any type of name change (other then if its offensive) allows you to avoid the consequences of you actions. Rip of a crop? sell your character to your alt account and get a free name change, know you are effectively untraceable.

The arguments for against name changes have been beaten to death along with most of the possible solutions to the history problem. The end result CCP still want to retain the rule that you cannot change your name.

As for the original poster, the solution to your chat problem is simple, agree two shorted names for chat, For example you take SX and the other person takes Master as call signs to eliminate confusion.

SXmasteraccount
Posted - 2011.02.27 22:38:00 - [14]
 

Edited by: SXmasteraccount on 27/02/2011 22:40:19
Originally by: shady trader
The idea of being able to change a characters name comes up every couple of months.

CCP have been very clear on that your actions have consequences and that they are tided to the character name.

Any type of name change (other then if its offensive) allows you to avoid the consequences of you actions. Rip of a crop? sell your character to your alt account and get a free name change, know you are effectively untraceable.

The arguments for against name changes have been beaten to death along with most of the possible solutions to the history problem. The end result CCP still want to retain the rule that you cannot change your name.

As for the original poster, the solution to your chat problem is simple, agree two shorted names for chat, For example you take SX and the other person takes Master as call signs to eliminate confusion.




The point both shady trader and Mag's make is : Name changing allows you to avoid the consequences of your actions. Both of you are refusing to read my actual idea of implementing a Name Change History tab. How can you avoid the identity if it is tied to your character?

The reason this issue is "beaten to death" is because there is that much demand for it. All arguments in this thread have NOT been about my total idea and only been about the concept of a Name Change.

The problem: CCP's policy and vision; CCP and players INCLUDING myself do not want other players to escape from their choices and identities. However players want to change their name and don't care if their identity follows or not. As a matter of fact I WANT my identity to follow.

The solution: Implement an unchangeable history tab exactly like Employment History as seen in the MS paint picture I posted.

Kalia Masaer
Amarr Border Defense Consortium
Posted - 2011.02.27 23:05:00 - [15]
 

I would have to say since people mess with the meta game and alt so much a name change now and then is insignificant. I know of people who basically ruin a characters reputation then simply buy another character and sell the old one. Which is exactly the same as a name change, but also ends up with some poor sap buying a character whose name is worse than mud.

SXmasteraccount
Posted - 2011.02.28 00:27:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Kalia Masaer
I would have to say since people mess with the meta game and alt so much a name change now and then is insignificant. I know of people who basically ruin a characters reputation then simply buy another character and sell the old one. Which is exactly the same as a name change, but also ends up with some poor sap buying a character whose name is worse than mud.



Exactly! The ability to buy and sell characters is even actually worse in standing to CCP's whole "vision" an "policies" of keeping an identity. With the name change history you could at least see when a person changed their name in game.

Misanthra
Posted - 2011.02.28 02:23:00 - [17]
 

Edited by: Misanthra on 28/02/2011 02:24:15
your answer lies in sql database design.

What you want to do is change value of a primary key (name) and append old name to history data entry. This data entry I will bet isk is blob data type (as it has 3 corps if you joined 3 corps or 30 if you joined 30). These most likely aren't separate entries as would be a horrendous database schema...blob data field (actual name btw), delimit it for ease of formatting on the history tab. This what I would do anyway.

You avoid searches on blob datatype as much as possible. There are no tricks to search it. Its pure brute force. You see SXmasteraccount is easy to find where it is now. Read column called names. Starts with S...don't hit A,B,C,D, etc. Got the S, search for X, m.....till the end. Hell its probably indexed and hashed for real quick retrieval.

Now...you get your name change. SXmasteraccount is changed, and listed in history. History is related to the primary key that is your new name. I want to find you...don't know you new name so no primary key to filter out the search. Means brute force time So...code now has to search history which is a blob data type. Search of blob starts character 1 till last character (well you can code to have it searhc for lenght of search string).

Got 20 corps starting S and have characters after that to meet size requirement....20 points algorithm goes lets plug in the rest. this is per char on the server till name is found. Blob data value doesn't index well to cheat..your server will tell you to diaf most likely.

Arrakis Shai
Caldari
Deja Vu Holding
Posted - 2011.02.28 03:22:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: AnonyTerrorNinja
If I recall there's a statement regarding name changes somewhere that amounts to

"As your name becomes associated with an identity in terms of both play style and personality, name changes are not permitted for the sake of maintaining community spirit. If name changes were allowed it would become too easy for any one player to remain entirely anonymous, which is already achieved to some extent via the character trade facility."


Anyway, I personally don't think this is something that should be allowed, because it would be too open to abuse and quite simply doesn't feel right.

A single name change permitted within a very limited timeframe? Fine.
A single character recustomization in terms of its appearance, limited to its race (not the current bloodline and sex restriction)? Fine.

But not a complete name change.


A changed name field wouldn't serve to remedy the above mentioned 'issue' as one could just as easily argue that your character was renamed after being donated to another player or anything of the sort, adding to confusion and/or issues when dealing with suspected corpthieves or corpie-killers, to name just two potentially volatile scenarios.


If your name must remain the same to maintain your ingame persona/continuity, then when a character is traded ingame, their effectively having a psychotic break as that original persona will never exist again.

also, a name change would help prevent accidental contact by a long lost ingame mate of the original owner if when they tried to evemail or contact the original char name, a warning message could pop up notifying them of the name change (and subsequent sale) and ask if they still wish to contact them via the new name.


SXmasteraccount
Posted - 2011.02.28 03:34:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Misanthra
Edited by: Misanthra on 28/02/2011 02:24:15
your answer lies in sql database design.

What you want to do is change value of a primary key (name) and append old name to history data entry. This data entry I will bet isk is blob data type (as it has 3 corps if you joined 3 corps or 30 if you joined 30). These most likely aren't separate entries as would be a horrendous database schema...blob data field (actual name btw), delimit it for ease of formatting on the history tab. This what I would do anyway.

You avoid searches on blob datatype as much as possible. There are no tricks to search it. Its pure brute force. You see SXmasteraccount is easy to find where it is now. Read column called names. Starts with S...don't hit A,B,C,D, etc. Got the S, search for X, m.....till the end. Hell its probably indexed and hashed for real quick retrieval.

Now...you get your name change. SXmasteraccount is changed, and listed in history. History is related to the primary key that is your new name. I want to find you...don't know you new name so no primary key to filter out the search. Means brute force time So...code now has to search history which is a blob data type. Search of blob starts character 1 till last character (well you can code to have it searhc for lenght of search string).

Got 20 corps starting S and have characters after that to meet size requirement....20 points algorithm goes lets plug in the rest. this is per char on the server till name is found. Blob data value doesn't index well to cheat..your server will tell you to diaf most likely.




But they already have the database queries for corp histories. It wouldn't take much alteration at all to display the same or even display it similar to how they display deleted corps. What is the issue?

Nova Fox
Gallente
Novafox Shipyards
Posted - 2011.02.28 04:21:00 - [20]
 

Edited by: Nova Fox on 28/02/2011 04:22:34
Hi I've just stolen seval trillion isk from your allaince war chest and managed to become the most wanted person the galaxy, now I just change my name and make a clean get away no longer worrying about being assintated by those who I've backstabbed.

BTW this is the fourth time I have done this but because I change my name every time ive bailed out a of an allaince and they cant do a proper history check.

SXmasteraccount
Posted - 2011.02.28 04:31:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Nova Fox
Edited by: Nova Fox on 28/02/2011 04:22:34
Hi I've just stolen seval trillion isk from your allaince war chest and managed to become the most wanted person the galaxy, now I just change my name and make a clean get away no longer worrying about being assintated by those who I've backstabbed.

BTW this is the fourth time I have done this but because I change my name every time ive bailed out a of an allaince and they cant do a proper history check.


If they couldn't do a simple search of ANY of the other names they would be robbed by the person anyways because they would have not even searched for the first name. You're point is invalid.

DrDooma
Posted - 2011.02.28 05:34:00 - [22]
 

If you can rename any account whenever you feel like it how can people keep track of how can players keep track of who you are? And if they cant then nothing that you do has any consequences and this is exactly what game EVE is all about.

GizzyBoy
Posted - 2011.02.28 07:31:00 - [23]
 

This comes up all the time :/
you char traders should know exactly what the story is,

any way how about this,
Like a regular army your rank and serial number is probably more important than your name.
eve doesn't have ranks as such, so what about you get a serial number, and name no longer relevant.
then people cant pick crap /offensive names,
No one gets a name change again ever, your # is your #

Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
Posted - 2011.02.28 09:03:00 - [24]
 

No... you reputation is all in your name. And as for complaining that a char you bought has a name you dont like, well tough, you knew the name when you bought it.

As for the CCP quote, someone mentioned....

CCP Zymurgist said the following in this thread

Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
EVE characters are built on reputation. Your name is who you are and will always be. Really the only way to "change" this would be to buy a new character and sell the old one off. All that will change is who is playing the character though as the name will always represent the character's past deeds.

AnonyTerrorNinja
Minmatar
Atomic Geese
Posted - 2011.02.28 10:00:00 - [25]
 

Op, having a 'name history' field doesn't solve the issue of people changing names to cover up past deeds.

As someone else also mentioned, you could simply sell off your character to an alt account on the forums, leaving a character sale paper trail, then change the name once it's been transferred since you get a free name change out of the transaction anyway.

These people can see the sale occurred, they cannot see that it's your alt account, they end up being more confused than if only a character sale occurred because now they don't know if someone really did buy the character and just change its name or not.


The current situation means that you cannot change your name at all. By doing this, even if you created the character trade paper trail, after one or two corp/alliance-scams, people will begin to associate that with the character's name and will be weary of ever trusting that particular name again, even if they see another character trade for it. By adding the name history field, you only add to their confusion, giving a scammer an effective blanket protection, even if not particularly foolproof, which he can use to convince people he really is not the same person as the scammer that had the character last.

SXmasteraccount
Posted - 2011.02.28 13:44:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: AnonyTerrorNinja
Op, having a 'name history' field doesn't solve the issue of people changing names to cover up past deeds.

As someone else also mentioned, you could simply sell off your character to an alt account on the forums, leaving a character sale paper trail, then change the name once it's been transferred since you get a free name change out of the transaction anyway.

These people can see the sale occurred, they cannot see that it's your alt account, they end up being more confused than if only a character sale occurred because now they don't know if someone really did buy the character and just change its name or not.


The current situation means that you cannot change your name at all. By doing this, even if you created the character trade paper trail, after one or two corp/alliance-scams, people will begin to associate that with the character's name and will be weary of ever trusting that particular name again, even if they see another character trade for it. By adding the name history field, you only add to their confusion, giving a scammer an effective blanket protection, even if not particularly foolproof, which he can use to convince people he really is not the same person as the scammer that had the character last.


I see no difference to that from selling/buying a character. When you sell a character the only proof you have of that is a forum post which people CAN erase and people do that. With a history field they can't. Your argument goes both ways in that scammers can try to use it, but scammers always use ANY means to prove themselves and when it comes down to it the only thing it changes is another tab to check when doing a background check. If said individual has had 2 - 3 names changes before you are considering giving him access to your Alliance's war chest... That would throw up a few red flags and anyone stupid enough to not question it deserves to get internally disbanded.

Implementing a name change system with the history field keeps EvE as CCP intended and it gives people in situations like the one I mentioned to actually change their name without "losing their reputation."

SXmasteraccount
Posted - 2011.02.28 13:47:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Jint Hikaru
No... you reputation is all in your name. And as for complaining that a char you bought has a name you dont like, well tough, you knew the name when you bought it.

As for the CCP quote, someone mentioned....

CCP Zymurgist said the following in this thread

Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
EVE characters are built on reputation. Your name is who you are and will always be. Really the only way to "change" this would be to buy a new character and sell the old one off. All that will change is who is playing the character though as the name will always represent the character's past deeds.




You failed to read the entire thread. Please reread it and post an actual argument besides "No."

I've already presented a fair and ample idea alas the point of the thread to always have the character's name attached to the character thus following and actually complimenting CCP Zymurgist's post.

De'Veldrin
Minmatar
Norse'Storm Battle Group
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2011.02.28 14:01:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: SXmasteraccount

You failed to read the entire thread. Please reread it and post an actual argument besides "No."



Actually, for an idea posted as frequently, and discussed as thoroughly, as this one has been in the past, for your thread a No is really all that's required. However, I will, once again, summarize my stance.

I have read your arguments, I have read the past threads and arguments (some of which were fairly creative), but they all boil down to three simple things:

1. The "I bought a character I don't like the name of" argument. Really? Why would you spend billions of ISk and not be 100% happy with the character?

2. The "I made a character with a name that was funny at the time (ala Suckmy Ballz) but now I regret" argument. Next time, don't be an immature asshat unless you're really sure you want to be thought of as an immature asshat forever.

3. The "I have a shady past I'd like to cover up" argument (the argument almost no one admits to). Too bad. In eve, who you are is built around what you do, what you say, and how you behave in game in the persona of your chosen character. Part of that persona is the name.

My response in short:
Deal with it and quit whining about the choices you make of your own free will.

Da Trader
Posted - 2011.02.28 14:59:00 - [29]
 

I support the rename with history, but seems it will not happen. Key name issue can be circumvented quite easily, one does not need to display the key name, but the currently active name in another field.

Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
Posted - 2011.02.28 15:45:00 - [30]
 

Edited by: Jint Hikaru on 28/02/2011 15:48:18
Edited by: Jint Hikaru on 28/02/2011 15:46:34
Originally by: SXmasteraccount
You failed to read the entire thread. Please reread it and post an actual argument besides "No."

I've already presented a fair and ample idea alas the point of the thread to always have the character's name attached to the character thus following and actually complimenting CCP Zymurgist's post.


I did read the thread, and all I saw was people proposing ways which may make the coding work, despite having no idea how CCP run and manage their coding and having listings of old names in places like corp history.

All this to change something that IMHO had no business being changed.

I'm not going to bother typing out why it does not need changing, De'Veldrin explained that very well a couple of posts above this one.

For all your database searches and listings of old names like corp history, it just wont work. Everytime I meet someone in game I dont want to have to search to see if they have old names that I recognise.


If someone has done something so bad to me in game, that I remember their name.... from that point on I dont want to have to look at the name history of EVERYONE I meet in case they are that person with a namechange.


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