open All Channels
seplocked Jita Park Speakers Corner
blankseplocked Dear MD: I need your help.
 
This thread is older than 90 days and has been locked due to inactivity.


 
Pages: 1 [2] 3

Author Topic

Tutskii
Posted - 2011.02.27 17:50:00 - [31]
 

Well, I can give what help I may:

Take a look at Mittani's piece of fluff complete with a friendly picture of him and a dog. That is how politicians do things, if I didn't know of his garbage plan to hand CSM to 0.0, I would probably vote for him.

Yours is a series of impersonal points that are hard to relate to, not particularly relevant to the population at large, and not particularly alluring.

I'd fix that. You said you have done political stuff. Then turn into a politician. US VS them. Populist Rethoric, CCP is lying, etc. It works.

Second, start slinging ****. Mittani supports (or doesn't care about botting) for instance. There is the garbage about making CSM for null, lack of primaries, etc. All of those are valid points and if you are serious in that you are not a part of the goon block as you campaign, they are points you should press.

You should also lose the "We are not supposed to divide the goon vote" garbage. You got ****ed, Vile rat, a random scammer got your seat, or the one that would have been yours. He is getting to go to Iceland, and goon support without running a primary or having to do anything other than promise to give mittens bjs. Where is the outrage? Where is the lovable underdog against the hipocrisy of the forces of evil?

You know politics, politic.

Lastly, mittens "take over CSM" is not gonna do you any favors. There is no getting around the fact that you are running as a Goon on the year when mittens agenda is "Make CSM a tool of the 0.0 blocks"

There, some couch strategizing.

Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
Vahrokh Consulting
Posted - 2011.02.27 18:07:00 - [32]
 

Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 27/02/2011 18:07:49
@Above
Certainly, if someone wanted to play a game and relax from the sh!t of RL politics and logs in EvE, he's for a nasty surprise. How a faithful and realistic representation of RL shoddiness that EvE is.

...and they keep telling me I should not try finding connections between RL finance and EvE's...

Tutskii
Posted - 2011.02.27 18:14:00 - [33]
 

Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 27/02/2011 18:07:49
@Above
Certainly, if someone wanted to play a game and relax from the sh!t of RL politics and logs in EvE, he's for a nasty surprise. How a faithful and realistic representation of RL shoddiness that EvE is.

...and they keep telling me I should not try finding connections between RL finance and EvE's...


The thing is that humans are the same creature IRL and in the game. And there are certain things humans find alluring and convincing, and things they do not. That is true whether you are here or IRL.

In the end it comes down to pictures of babies, puppies, fluffy sweaters and how your opponent is the devil himself. There is, through history, little getting around that

By the way, I have read your real life finance and Eve thread, and I like it.

Liberty Eternal
Posted - 2011.02.27 18:22:00 - [34]
 

You can't have a campaign without a campaign team. First thing to do is to convince interns to work for you. Second thing is to appeal to some vested interests who can back you with finance and influence. Third thing is to get a legend or back-story about yourself. Fourth, get some more realistic policies that fit in with the platform of other power blocks while having enough difference to stand out. And finally, get some controversy going - hit a nerve somewhere.

Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
Vahrokh Consulting
Posted - 2011.02.27 18:30:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: Liberty Eternal
And finally, get some controversy going - hit a nerve somewhere.


I could teach people about how to do this Laughing

Dethmourne Silvermane
Gallente
Origin.
Black Legion.
Posted - 2011.02.27 19:57:00 - [36]
 

You know the dog in Mittens's picture? He kicks that puppy.

You wouldn't vote for a puppykicker, now would you? YARRRR!!

Wyke Mossari
Gallente
Posted - 2011.02.27 20:57:00 - [37]
 


Most of the other candidates are chasing the 0.0 voting block. None are targeting the high-sec, industrialist, missions voting blocks which took somebody into second place last time.

The other candidates plan for the "0.0 alliances to take over the CSM" is setting themselves up against pretty much everbody else in Eve. That will hand a seat to anybody who can/will effectively call them out on that.


Breaker77
Gallente
Reclamation Industries
Posted - 2011.02.27 21:01:00 - [38]
 

Originally by: Wyke Mossari

None are targeting the high-sec, industrialist, missions voting blocks which took somebody into second place last time.



Sadly, for every character in 0.0 space there is a high-sec, industrialist, mission running alt.


Estel Arador
Posted - 2011.02.27 22:33:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: Wyke Mossari
The other candidates plan for the "0.0 alliances to take over the CSM" is setting themselves up against pretty much everbody else in Eve. That will hand a seat to anybody who can/will effectively call them out on that.


That'd be very hard for Kalrand to do, considering his background.

Liberty Eternal
Posted - 2011.02.27 23:21:00 - [40]
 

There is undoubtedly a large constituency that Kalrand could appeal to as his base - not just for votes, but for organisation and financing.

There's little point in Kalrand defining his position as contra the zero-sec position - he won't get those votes anyway, and it will just reduce his tactical influence if he does get into the CSM.

The important thing is that there is a clear hi-sec economically-oriented constituency that needs representing and that can contribute not just votes, but also organisation and campaign work.


The question is whetherthe candidate and his policies will be sufficient to mobilise what is potentially a quite large vote.

To develop my point earlier, I think that some form of party politics will always be inevitable in a parliamentary system, as proved by the triumph of party machinery in all elected houses since the 19th Century. I'm willing to help you Kalrand, in performing some of the duties necessary for you to run for office.

Block Ukx
Forge Laboratories
Posted - 2011.02.27 23:26:00 - [41]
 




My Four accounts won't be voting for you.




Myra2007
Millstone Industries
Posted - 2011.02.28 00:08:00 - [42]
 

There is probably not more than 100-200 votes to gather from the readers of this forum. To get elected I'd say your best bet is to present yourself as the guy who is going to help random joe. That is the biggest pool of potential voters you just have to get them to actually vote. Look at the programme of the 'Take Care' party. It's tried and tested!

Some random ideas:

- talk about how suicide ganking is too easy and has no risk at all and how you're going to change it
- complain how scamming is rampant and needs to be penalized
- stress how lowsec needs more sentry guns, npc patrols to protect the innocents and how people with negative security standing shouldn't be allowed to dock at npc stations
- insinuate at all times that not participating in ship combat makes you a better human
- promise that lvl4 missions aren't going to be moved to lowsec as long as you are on the csm
- ask for mothership bpcs(?) to drop in hisec incursions
- make strong use of words like "griefing", "gankers", "gankbears" and most importantly "player killing"
- incorporate some incarna stuff too people dig that
- talk about how miners make and break eve and how the gankers would be boned without them

It's also vital that you promise a lot. It doesn't matter that you don't really get to decide anything. People prefer to vote for people with strong agendas. Possibly that would be in conflict with your actual opinions but that is politics.

I'm pretty damn sure this is the ticket to the csm. It has worked in the past just like that. You would have to drop your alliance though as the type of player you're going for has an inexplicable yet deeply rooted hate for anything "goon".

As for getting voted in purely based on a reasonable low-key programme and a passion for the game: good luck with that.


Breaker77
Gallente
Reclamation Industries
Posted - 2011.02.28 00:14:00 - [43]
 

All you have to do is promise everything then deliver nothing. Thats how politics work!


Tutskii
Posted - 2011.02.28 00:37:00 - [44]
 

Originally by: Myra2007
There is probably not more than 100-200 votes to gather from the readers of this forum. To get elected I'd say your best bet is to present yourself as the guy who is going to help random joe. That is the biggest pool of potential voters you just have to get them to actually vote. Look at the programme of the 'Take Care' party. It's tried and tested!

Some random ideas:

- talk about how suicide ganking is too easy and has no risk at all and how you're going to change it
- complain how scamming is rampant and needs to be penalized
- stress how lowsec needs more sentry guns, npc patrols to protect the innocents and how people with negative security standing shouldn't be allowed to dock at npc stations
- insinuate at all times that not participating in ship combat makes you a better human
- promise that lvl4 missions aren't going to be moved to lowsec as long as you are on the csm
- ask for mothership bpcs(?) to drop in hisec incursions
- make strong use of words like "griefing", "gankers", "gankbears" and most importantly "player killing"
- incorporate some incarna stuff too people dig that
- talk about how miners make and break eve and how the gankers would be boned without them

It's also vital that you promise a lot. It doesn't matter that you don't really get to decide anything. People prefer to vote for people with strong agendas. Possibly that would be in conflict with your actual opinions but that is politics.

I'm pretty damn sure this is the ticket to the csm. It has worked in the past just like that. You would have to drop your alliance though as the type of player you're going for has an inexplicable yet deeply rooted hate for anything "goon".

As for getting voted in purely based on a reasonable low-key programme and a passion for the game: good luck with that.




I think its actually quite easy to explain, come to think of it.

trance atlas
Posted - 2011.02.28 01:58:00 - [45]
 

you can go to iceland with the help of my AX!

Kalrand
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.02.28 16:00:00 - [46]
 

The conclusion I've come to is that I have no chance of winning while I'm in goonswarm.

Caldariftw123
Posted - 2011.02.28 17:18:00 - [47]
 

Edited by: Caldariftw123 on 28/02/2011 18:26:49
Originally by: Kalrand
The conclusion I've come to is that I have no chance of winning while I'm in goonswarm.


Give it a chance, put some of the tips given into practice, don't forget it's not just about winning votes in your favour it's also about whether the other asshats can get votes too. Some of them may say something stupid killing their chances, have some scam found out about them, might get hit by a bus before election, there might be ten thousand votes from "mr random doesn't read forums just reads the CSM page with the brief summaries on it" etc. .. last time I voted in the csm election I simply voted with all my accounts on the guy that had the highest letter count in his proposal, regardless of what it said :D

Durin Sarga
Posted - 2011.02.28 18:22:00 - [48]
 

So this would be a good time to ask:

Is Kalrand the only MD person to be running for CSM?

If so, then it does stand to reason that he is the only person in MD that actually wants to do something proactive about all the groaning and moaning going on around here. For example, Akita T et. al. have been complaining for a year about moon mineral balancing and restructuring. This is a clear 0.0 agenda item that they don't want mentioned. Why? Because they love it.

Kalrand has said in his points that he will try to get that addressed. He makes a solid point that it is not up to the CSM to decide the solution. It is up to the CSM to spark the fire, and then help direct the resulting blaze. Sometimes they even have to help fan the flames.

Unless anyone else around here is stepping up, then Kalrand is (by default) the only choice for MD. Now, you may not like that fact. You may decide that MD doesn't need a dedicated voice, and thus vote for someone else, but the logic stands.

Kalrand, you have my vote, and my pledge to try and get the rest of my alliance (however small we may be in the grand scheme of things) on board with your candidacy. If I pull it off, that's about 100 votes. Good luck sir.

Side note: If anyone else here is actually standing up for the economy of EVE I will do the same thing for them. Because I do believe it is an area which needs serious attention.

Grimhowl
Heroes of NewEden
Posted - 2011.02.28 20:00:00 - [49]
 

Edited by: Grimhowl on 28/02/2011 20:29:03
Originally by: Kalrand
The conclusion I've come to is that I have no chance of winning while I'm in goonswarm.


Even if you don't make it this time around, you could at least get your name out there so that next time around you've got a leg up. That said, don't play for second place. In it to win it or not at all.

Edit: ps - I'll be very cross with you if I don't see your name on the list of people to vote for. This is the first time I've taken the time to care about who to vote for on CSM. Sorry, you don't have a choice in the matter anymore.

Rorriana
Posted - 2011.02.28 20:26:00 - [50]
 

Originally by: Kalrand
The conclusion I've come to is that I have no chance of winning while I'm in goonswarm.


I don't think that is the case; quite frankly I'd vote for someone in Goonswarm over someone in some no-name corp I've never heard of, because I know at least that you have played the game, and have some exposure to a broad range of experiences. I'd rather have you than a random mouth-breather who has only ever seen the game in high-sec through the window ports of his Drake/Raven.

The fact that you are active on MD will also net you votes as many people who lurk the MD forums will be given the opportunity to vote and only recognize your name from the list that is presented.

You've got 1-3 votes from me, depending on what accounts are up at the time; also probably a few from my more easily influenced friends who could generally give a crap less about the CSM.


Kalrand
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.02.28 20:31:00 - [51]
 

That wasn't a defeatist statement, at this point I've been doing the math, and it would appear that I have a decent shot at being a high-level alternate, and knowing how long the term is, makes it likely that I'll end up on the CSM eventually anyway.

I really think there's only about three seats up for grabs to the "general public", and I think I'll be polling well, just not top three.

Not that I'm not doing everything in my ability to change that, I am. Dropping goonswarm is an idea, so are some ~other things~ that I'm doing.

Cheque Please
Hot Like Mexico
Posted - 2011.02.28 20:50:00 - [52]
 

Edited by: Cheque Please on 28/02/2011 20:57:18
Edited by: Cheque Please on 28/02/2011 20:51:13


How many people not seriously entrenched in 0.0 pay attention to CSM politics? I can't imagine the majority of high-sec, non-forum readers caring one way or another, certainly not enough to notice that you dropped your Goonswarm tag. To them, it's probably just a list of unrecognizable names.

I will vote for you for whatever its worth. You might be able to get in on the 50 or so MD votes (although Mittani def. has you beat with a larger and more dedicated base)
Laughing


edit: And to outdo the picture of Mittani and his dog, strike back hard. Have your photo taken/photoshop yourself into pictures with a: 1) fireman, 2) policeman, 3) gaggle of kids + orphanage, and 4) the American flag w/ optiional bookshelves in the background. Preferably do a thumbs up in all of them.


Tutskii
Posted - 2011.02.28 20:50:00 - [53]
 

Originally by: Kalrand
That wasn't a defeatist statement, at this point I've been doing the math, and it would appear that I have a decent shot at being a high-level alternate, and knowing how long the term is, makes it likely that I'll end up on the CSM eventually anyway.

I really think there's only about three seats up for grabs to the "general public", and I think I'll be polling well, just not top three.

Not that I'm not doing everything in my ability to change that, I am. Dropping goonswarm is an idea, so are some ~other things~ that I'm doing.



I am not sure how much dropping GS would help that much unless there is no doubt that its not just a ploy to hand mittens even more control over the CSM and hand more seats to GS.

This would be my primary objection to you. I think you are a swell dude, but its hard to trust what anyone with the Goon tag does, due to precedent. What stops you from simply rejoining after the election and voting whatever way Mittens wants you to anyway (if there is coercion)?. And if there is no coercion and you agree with the 0.0 csm control bs, then what is the difference between voting for you or them?

From where I stand it would seem that the 0.0 block is pushing a very different view of the game than what I would like to support for instance. Most of the game does not take place on 0.0, and the positions against "shinies" "non pvp/pve content" and "change" in general give me quite a bit of pause. (those positions are either stated or implied, here or in say kugutsu or scrapheap).

Kalrand
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.02.28 20:58:00 - [54]
 

A preview of my "official" campaign statement:

Vote KALRAND for CSM


The reason you don't know who I am is that I've had much better things to spend my time on than making funny websites or gimmicky new characters just to try to convince the average EvE player that I can grasp the second and third order effects of changes made in a complex system. I can, and that's actually what I do for a living when I'm not playing EvE.

I came up with a list of **** that the average player would like. (here) Either because they're something that should actually happen (Example: Moon goo rebalancing) or because the average player would ****ing love it (a T2 Orca). Doing these things would be good for the game, either to fix broken **** or Give People What They Want.

But CCP really doesn't give two flying ****s about ideas the CSM comes to the table with. They really only care about their own ideas. I'm sure they've got all kinds of stupid **** they want to put in (Incarna! Dust 514! Sparkle Vampires in Space!), that really needs to be shot down with a better reason than "**** you that's stupid.".


I'm that guy. Vote for me. Fly Kalrand to Iceland.

Kalrand
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.02.28 21:02:00 - [55]
 

Originally by: Tutskii
What stops you from simply rejoining after the election and voting whatever way Mittens wants you to anyway (if there is coercion)?. And if there is no coercion and you agree with the 0.0 csm control bs, then what is the difference between voting for you or them?



1) Me leaving would be entirely window dressing for my campaign. I would be rejoining with the Kalrand character once it's over. I just don't want to turn off the "casual" empire person who doesn't know me anymore more than my normal likable personality would.

2) I don't take coercion very well. I mean, without you knowing how bullheaded and stubborn I am in the real word, there's really no way to explain that here. It's something I dismiss as an issue out of hand, and haven't come up with an effective way to express it in game. I guess you'd just have to trust me.

Cheque Please
Hot Like Mexico
Posted - 2011.02.28 21:03:00 - [56]
 

Kalrand, you are doing it wrong

Requoting myself:

"Have your photo taken/photoshop yourself into pictures with a: 1) fireman, 2) policeman, 3) gaggle of kids + orphanage, and 4) the American flag w/ optiional bookshelves in the background. Preferably do a thumbs up in all of them."

Tutskii
Posted - 2011.02.28 21:07:00 - [57]
 

Originally by: Cheque Please
Kalrand, you are doing it wrong

Requoting myself:

"Have your photo taken/photoshop yourself into pictures with a: 1) fireman, 2) policeman, 3) gaggle of kids + orphanage, and 4) not the American flag w/ optiional bookshelves in the background. Preferably do a thumbs up in all of them."


A lot of the EVE playerbase is European and the US may not be the most popular country to flag with at this time (or maybe at any, who knows).

I recommend pets/kittens or hot women.

Cheque Please
Hot Like Mexico
Posted - 2011.02.28 21:10:00 - [58]
 

Edited by: Cheque Please on 28/02/2011 21:10:35
Originally by: Tutskii
Originally by: Cheque Please
Kalrand, you are doing it wrong

Requoting myself:

"Have your photo taken/photoshop yourself into pictures with a: 1) fireman, 2) policeman, 3) gaggle of kids + orphanage, and 4) not the American flag w/ optiional bookshelves in the background. Preferably do a thumbs up in all of them."


A lot of the EVE playerbase is European and the US may not be the most popular country to flag with at this time (or maybe at any, who knows).

I recommend pets/kittens or hot women.


Hot women + American flag bikini w/ a kitten in the background? Brillant

Grimhowl
Heroes of NewEden
Posted - 2011.02.28 21:14:00 - [59]
 

Edited by: Grimhowl on 28/02/2011 21:15:22
Originally by: Cheque Please

Hot women + American flag bikini w/ a kitten in the background? Brillant


What if people get confused and vote for the kitten? The sort of people this would appeal to may be less than... of clear and present mind. That said... I would add a bazooka and rambo costume with cgi muscles.

Tutskii
Posted - 2011.02.28 21:16:00 - [60]
 

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l7/primacyone/Budweiser_Wallpaper_15_sml.jpg

Contributing to campaign. Photoshop some kittens, America **** yea, and insert Kal and we are in business.

Image changed to URL. Zymurgist


Pages: 1 [2] 3

This thread is older than 90 days and has been locked due to inactivity.


 


The new forums are live

Please adjust your bookmarks to https://forums.eveonline.com

These forums are archived and read-only