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Helicity Boson
Amarr
The Python Cartel.
The Defenders of Pen Island
Posted - 2011.02.27 16:03:00 - [31]
 

Originally by: Suiginryou Hitaiga
Originally by: Helicity Boson
So basically, you are telling me, that you are a complete pacifist in a sandbox PVP mmo, and then are upset when people might shoot at you against your wishes.

Not might. Are.
And I'm not worried about them shooting at me, no.
I'm worried about lack of a way to fight back properly: as they deprive me of fun by shooting me, because they like to shoot people, I should have some way to deprive them of their shooting fun in turn. But eve is stripped of possible options to do this, and all I can do is shoot them back, spiraling the violence up, thus defeating the purpose of defense.
Originally by: Helicity Boson
This strikes me as extremely amusing.

I imagine it does indeed. A sad thing. I'd rather like an intelligent being like you a few steps up the evolution ladder. But oh well... perhaps it can't be helped. Or, perhaps, it could. I'll try, that's for certain.


Or perhaps I am just more capable of suspending my real world morals for the purpose of playing a game than you are. There is nothing wrong with either, but there is little point in coming here and judging people who are playing in accordance with the rules as set forth by CCP.

That there are limits to your ability to retaliate passively (beyond being more cautious, or more tanked etc.) is not exactly -our- fault, and this is quite possibly the worst venue to argue -for- such things, this could possibly be better suited to the various suggestions forums. (while you're at it, you might want to talk about how silly it is some cargo boats are designed for armor tanking, while the oh so vital expander also requires low slots. I'm looking at you, Impel.)


WowThisGameIsAwesome
Posted - 2011.02.27 16:06:00 - [32]
 

Originally by: Jovan Geldon
Originally by: Suiginryou Hitaiga
I'm worried about lack of a way to fight back properly: as they deprive me of fun by shooting me, because they like to shoot people, I should have some way to deprive them of their shooting fun in turn. But eve is stripped of possible options to do this, and all I can do is shoot them back, spiraling the violence up, thus defeating the purpose of defense.


1. Right click -> Choose station -> Dock
2. Esc -> Log off

Or, my personal favourite,

3. Account Management -> Subscription Details -> Unsubscribe


Strange game. The only winning move is not to play (c)

Jones Bones
Burning Napalm
Posted - 2011.02.27 16:12:00 - [33]
 

I mourn every Heavy I backstab in TF2.

It's an immoral life.

Suiginryou Hitaiga
Caldari
Posted - 2011.02.27 17:34:00 - [34]
 

Originally by: Helicity Boson
Or perhaps I am just more capable of suspending my real world morals

Morals, you don't have to suspend - they bend freely, depending on the common unspoken laws of society you're in. In "real" world, you are moral when you pay taxes, care for others, etc. In eve, you are no less moral (maybe even more, because game mechanics make it very easy and extremely rewarding) when you gank and squeeze tears.
Don't mix up morals and ethics (well, it's actually meta-ethics, but no matter). To be moral is to abide by society's customs. To be ethical is to be the same no matter the surroundings, no matter the society.
In other words, capability of suspending the morals is capability to blindly obey.
Originally by: Helicity Boson
There is nothing wrong with either, but there is little point in coming here and judging people who are playing in accordance with the rules as set forth by CCP.

Yes. Just as little as doing otherwise.
Originally by: Helicity Boson
while you're at it, you might want to talk about how silly it is some cargo boats are designed for armor tanking, while the oh so vital expander also requires low slots. I'm looking at you, Impel.)

One of the first threads about this stuff was actually mine, though it was other toon and I was younger; also, much more (or maybe less by your standards?) foolish. ^_^

Samican Nutikor
Posted - 2011.02.27 21:24:00 - [35]
 

The Hulkageddon per se is not a big problem in my book - I can as well do something else than mining during the event. Previously I could run missions and clean them up afterwards in my Noctis (Catalyst). I always clean up my missions except for some very rare ones or when RL kicks in without warning.

Adding all industrial class ships (miners, haulers, salvagers (reading the rules I read that this includes and ship set up for pure salvaging)) as valid targets just made me play other games. Played through Dragon Age (origins and awakening) and am also playing EQ2 again. But I'd prefer playing EVE; I like the game but I also play games to relax, not to have to worry about the next person that could aggress me in game without any real repercusions...in real life I have more than enough non-physical means to put people in place and if needed also more radical ones.

Call it sandbox if you wish - but a kid destroying another's sand castle they may well end up eating sand, even though their castle was bigger and better. In a sandbox players can meet at "game level" (sand castles) or in the case of griefing (you destroy my castle for whatever reason) they can meet "out of game", potentially resulting in a verbal or non-verbal fight.

garus banta
Posted - 2011.02.27 21:48:00 - [36]
 

Originally by: Samican Nutikor
The Hulkageddon per se is not a big problem in my book - I can as well do something else than mining during the event. Previously I could run missions and clean them up afterwards in my Noctis (Catalyst). I always clean up my missions except for some very rare ones or when RL kicks in without warning.

Adding all industrial class ships (miners, haulers, salvagers (reading the rules I read that this includes and ship set up for pure salvaging)) as valid targets just made me play other games. Played through Dragon Age (origins and awakening) and am also playing EQ2 again. But I'd prefer playing EVE; I like the game but I also play games to relax, not to have to worry about the next person that could aggress me in game without any real repercusions...in real life I have more than enough non-physical means to put people in place and if needed also more radical ones.

Call it sandbox if you wish - but a kid destroying another's sand castle they may well end up eating sand, even though their castle was bigger and better. In a sandbox players can meet at "game level" (sand castles) or in the case of griefing (you destroy my castle for whatever reason) they can meet "out of game", potentially resulting in a verbal or non-verbal fight.


Maybe playing a game so you can be "left alone" is best spent outside an MMO, no?

Also the people who GANK are usually bored, they are trying to achieve something, weather it's lulz or tears or kills, whatever. Try joining a gank corp, see if you think it's easier. If you're up for the challenge you might try to join one then you would understand just how difficult being a ganker can be, nevermind highsec, just try to kill ANY ship at a gate. It takes practice, and is very rewarding once you learn how to do it well.

It also helps to keep the game from being a stale NPC run, dull sand box.

But gankers are not the problem, they help to keep the circle of life in check, the whole predator and prey system, the real problem is the alliances who willingly engage in botting, entrenched in deep 0.0

They are far worse for the ecosystem, because they actually do ruin and eat away the fun out of the game.

Samican Nutikor
Posted - 2011.02.27 22:09:00 - [37]
 

Originally by: garus banta
the real problem is the alliances who willingly engage in botting, entrenched in deep 0.0

They are far worse for the ecosystem, because they actually do ruin and eat away the fun out of the game.


Some event to make "incursions" there - if at all feasible - would be a good step to take, and even one I'd be willing to join. If a bot gets shot I'm all for it; shooting an active miner in high sec is different though in my book.

It's just the way I'm acting and reacting...shooting an active miner hurts EVE way more in the long term than focussing on bots, again in my opinion (the bot WILL return, the griefed player might leave). "Tears" or "hate mails" may be fun sometimes but as said, any bot (this includes 90% AFK alts) is a better target in my book.

EVE revolves around different opinions and their applicability though. It's just that most players only see their own opinion as the right one.

Sullen Skoung
Posted - 2011.02.27 22:47:00 - [38]
 

an if you thing helicity does this for bots you are delusional

its the tears.

Umega
Solis Mensa
Posted - 2011.02.28 00:24:00 - [39]
 

Edited by: Umega on 28/02/2011 00:25:46
Originally by: Suiginryou Hitaiga
Says the maker of an event dedicated to destroying ones who can't fight back. Delicious irony ^_^


They can fight back.. and on their terms. Kill Rights.

The complete failure to utilize a Kill Right to its full potential falls on the player, not the game. Jonny-weekend-warriors partcipating in Hulkageddon are going back to Uedama/4-4 gank camps, mission running, exploring, or mining themselves. In which case.. said 'griefed' miner can produce revenge beyond what was done to them, and still keep their ship. Ganker minus 2 ships.. miner 1.

Yeah, I know you and your friends would have to turn off your bot programs and actually pilot your ships to achieve this.. and take time away from precious isk farming, tough ****.

Infact I think the really problem is there are too many stiff penalities on gankers and not enough on miners. Miners, unlike mission runners.. can sit in an NPC corp and not worry about the tax rate, nor wardecs, or anything for 49ish weeks outta the year. Gankers could lose isk, sec status, priviliges to certain systems and stations, and risk giving Kill Rights to the wrong person that actually is going to bend them over with it.

CCP can keep the subs, but give players a better range to handle the problem of botters themselves.

Delayed local + more/buffer rats appear in nullsec belts the more their friends keep getting squished. Force bots to get eaten, or move around to other systems, leading them to be caught in bubbles and camps. Legit players can more easily adapt to the latter scenario than a macro-ratter.

Increasing tax on NPC corps. Start at say 5%.. say each five days that passes, ching.. 1% tax increase. Flush out macro-missioners. Plenty upon plenty of player run mission corps for legit players to eventually escape the inflated tax. Anyone leaving player corp for NPC, BAM.. ram the tax rate they left right back in them.

Implement some kind of taxing system on ore that goes beyond refining them in NPC stations. Tax each player that moves ore from their cargohold to an NPC station item hangar. And again, add an increasing compounding rate to this that forces people out NPC corps.. more importantly, pushes bots into wardec'able corps.

Spare me the crap about 'not fair to legit players wanting to be alone in NPC corps'.. I honestly don't give a **** about you. This is an MMO.. want to be alone, play a single player based game.

Bots have turned this game into the stage where it is no longer player influenced.. it really isn't anymore, and it is only getting worse. Null and the foundation of the game, the Market.. is bot driven, held where it is by what the bots do.. not by real legit players influences.

EVE isn't EVE anymore.. thanks in large part to over use of bots in every sector of space and CCP's amazing ability to address the problem with either ignorance or a 3-7 day ban. Petition closed.

Melkath Bandrom
Posted - 2011.02.28 00:54:00 - [40]
 

I would like to say a few things about the ongoing conversation.

First off, @helicity, I enjoy hulkageddon. I TRULY get what it's all about. A lot of folks are trying to make HAG into an activity directed at RMT botting. I know, as does the majority of others who get it, that this isn't true. You have stated this many times but folks just won't listen. Boo to them...lol

You did, however, make a comment that I have to disagree with on page 1 of this thread

Originally by: Helicity Boson

Don't delude yourself, CCP is a business, and bots bring income to them.




It may seem that indeed the more accounts CCP has, bot or not, the more money they make. The reasoning being that each account = RL cash income. This isn't true.

Bot accounts and RMT are not making CCP any money. or at least not as much as you may think. This has to do with the PLEX system.

As an example, A single bot making several hundred million to a billion isk a day can afford to purchase enough PLEX to fund a fleet of bots for a very long time over a months worth of dedicated mining. The issue is that if this single bot owner can purchase a dozen accounts and bot them and not have to pay a single pence of RL cash, then CCP is NOT making any money. Multiply that by a couple dozen or so single players that may or may not own several or up to a dozen bots. Who knows exactly how many? Then you figure out what each EXTRA bot is making that is translating into RMT income that is bypassing CCP's pockets. THAT is the crux of the issue here as to RMT, botting and CCP not liking either.

As I said earlier I get HAG and I have to say I admire what you are doing but I think you got it wrong about RMT etc, even though HAG and RMT/botting have nothing in common.

Keep up the great work!

MB

Urziel99
Posted - 2011.02.28 01:31:00 - [41]
 

Originally by: Melkath Bandrom
I would like to say a few things about the ongoing conversation.

First off, @helicity, I enjoy hulkageddon. I TRULY get what it's all about. A lot of folks are trying to make HAG into an activity directed at RMT botting. I know, as does the majority of others who get it, that this isn't true. You have stated this many times but folks just won't listen. Boo to them...lol

You did, however, make a comment that I have to disagree with on page 1 of this thread

Originally by: Helicity Boson

Don't delude yourself, CCP is a business, and bots bring income to them.




It may seem that indeed the more accounts CCP has, bot or not, the more money they make. The reasoning being that each account = RL cash income. This isn't true.

Bot accounts and RMT are not making CCP any money. or at least not as much as you may think. This has to do with the PLEX system.

As an example, A single bot making several hundred million to a billion isk a day can afford to purchase enough PLEX to fund a fleet of bots for a very long time over a months worth of dedicated mining. The issue is that if this single bot owner can purchase a dozen accounts and bot them and not have to pay a single pence of RL cash, then CCP is NOT making any money. Multiply that by a couple dozen or so single players that may or may not own several or up to a dozen bots. Who knows exactly how many? Then you figure out what each EXTRA bot is making that is translating into RMT income that is bypassing CCP's pockets. THAT is the crux of the issue here as to RMT, botting and CCP not liking either.

As I said earlier I get HAG and I have to say I admire what you are doing but I think you got it wrong about RMT etc, even though HAG and RMT/botting have nothing in common.

Keep up the great work!

MB


You do realize every PLEX was bought by someone with real cash right? They just put it on the market for others to buy with ISK.

As for Hulkageddon. Nothing done this week. On the bright side I can fly a Covetor now that I've been docked for the last week waiting for the rest of you to finish releasing your inner @$$hole.

Excuses or not, HG participants only do it because they can 4uck with other people and CCP lets them. May it die the slow painful death it deserves.

Melkath Bandrom
Posted - 2011.02.28 02:00:00 - [42]
 

Yes I do. The thing is that the botter isn't paying RL cash but is bringing in RL cash that CCP is missing out on. While a plex may have been paid for in cash at some point, the idea is that the plex used for botting purposes is making persons other then CCP RL cash. Every RL pence that a botter makes is one less that CCP ISN'T making therefore is money lost to CCP.

Umega
Solis Mensa
Posted - 2011.02.28 02:01:00 - [43]
 

Edited by: Umega on 28/02/2011 02:02:35
Originally by: Urziel99
Excuses or not, HG participants only do it because they can 4uck with other people and CCP lets them. May it die the slow painful death it deserves.


It's that kind of assuming that makes You into everyones own lil *****. And you only have yourself to blame.

If you want tho, beg CCP to make highsec completely safe from any kind of player on player induced explosions.. I'm sure that and the growing bot count will have zero effect on your Isk/hour mining. Highly unlikely you'll show up in the forums again to put blame on something that has little to do with your decreasing income.

Sarcasm aside.. if a player really wants to '**** with' other players.. they don't need Hulkageddon to do so. They'll just do it.. and just like you can be a prissy princess in the castle, other people should have the option to lay seige to your castle and hurl cannonballs at your walls.

If you're going to make your candy ass so fine and sweet, expect players to want a piece. Get it? Probably not. Why am I even trying...

Urziel99
Posted - 2011.02.28 02:14:00 - [44]
 

Originally by: Umega
Edited by: Umega on 28/02/2011 02:02:35
Sarcasm aside.. if a player really wants to '**** with' other players.. they don't need Hulkageddon to do so. They'll just do it..


And without HG they wouldn't have any prizes to compete for and lose a great deal of the incentive, wouldn't they?

Quote:
Get it? Probably not. Why am I even trying.


My sentiments exactly, the tools need to justify their worthless existence. The again they could actually, you know, target combat ships. But they can't **** a Drake or even a decently geared Caracal so they resort to attacking barges, exhumers and industrials.

Countess FookMe
Posted - 2011.02.28 02:51:00 - [45]
 

Well yes BOTS are a BIG problem in Eve and it is true that they are one of the downfalls of this game.
I believe that these types of people are a waste of human skin and breathing oxygen that others are more deserving of.
CCP has the tools available to catch alot of these BOT programs but they choose to ignore it.
You scream and say "Oh yeah? Then why did they ban 6k+ accounts for it then?" Those accounts were banned for RMT not for running BOTS although some of those RMT accounts were running BOTS they still have not used their "GOD Tools" in order to watch them and remove them. Many, Many players have pointed out that simply looking at DOTLAN that they can detect a large majority of these accounts. This is true and CCP should create a separate reporting scheme as they did with the isk spammers which are btw still occurring in great numbers. And a separate investigative division to deal with these reports.
I have run many game servers and there is always someone developing tools to detect hacking and exploits in each of them and those willing take the proper steps to apply these protections to their servers to make the game better and their server more desirable to play on.
CCP is constantly changing the game to make it more exciting and appealing to the masses but if they wanted to make more money the right way it would be to simply clean up the game rather than handing us a bunch of fluff and shining things to distract us.

Now on to the major point of Hulkageddon.
Hulkageddon was the result of an idea from Goonswarms "Jyhadswarm".
Helicity Boson from The Python Cartel had obtained a Hulk BPO and decided the best way to make money from it was to create this event. This is a smart business move on his part but a deception to others.
Hulkageddon was merely a means to an end, forget the prizes, forget the bot excuses, forget all of numerous reasons for this event.
Helicity Boson seeing how successful his business venture was has increased his campaign as of late because with the isk from each of the events from his hulk sales. He has increased and widened his widened his abilities to the T1 mining barge BPO's as well as all of the industrial BPO's.
With plenty of money accruing in his wallet from each successful event he has managed thru his multiple accounts to acquire a vast fortune.
And publicly showing the involvement of donations from a CSM (CSM mynxee) he has gained my attention. This CSM is also involved in his "Business venture" hence the donations to the prize groups of his 1 Bil isk and a Navy Armageddon. IS this the way we industrialist want to be represented by a CSM? I think not!
My friends ask me "Why are you against Hulkageddon when you own a Hulk BPO yourself? Doesn't it make you alot of isk too?"
Yes it does but it's the principal of the thing I earn my isk by honest means not deception of the masses and my prices are lower than the rest I don't inflate them before or after the event as Helicity Boson and his "Good ole boy Network" does.

Some of may think this rant is some tears to be harvested but let me assure you as a grown man of many years, there are no tears for any of you in a video game. Mine is anger and that anger is directed at the stupidity of the masses and CCP as to this event and its real motivations behind it and a CSM that involves himself in the griefing of other players of a game he is supposed to be a representative of. He is probably one of those free trip to Iceland CSM's anyway because until the reference to him I didn't even know who he was.

Lets continue to involve ourselves in this event make Helicity Boson and his friends alot more isk. Lets continue to let CCP pay for the ships thru their unfair insurance practices with ships involved in this event by paying for their ships to do it.
And lets not forget to praise CSM mynxee for sponsoring griefing aka terrorism of the player honestly playing the game while fattening his wallet

Umega
Solis Mensa
Posted - 2011.02.28 02:56:00 - [46]
 

Originally by: Urziel99
Originally by: Umega
Edited by: Umega on 28/02/2011 02:02:35
Sarcasm aside.. if a player really wants to '**** with' other players.. they don't need Hulkageddon to do so. They'll just do it..


And without HG they wouldn't have any prizes to compete for and lose a great deal of the incentive, wouldn't they?

Quote:
Get it? Probably not. Why am I even trying.


My sentiments exactly, the tools need to justify their worthless existence. The again they could actually, you know, target combat ships. But they can't **** a Drake or even a decently geared Caracal so they resort to attacking barges, exhumers and industrials.


Didn't think you'd get it. But keep working your candy ass, babe.. I'll give it some good spanks..

No one's existence is worthless. That was a pretty bold statement you made there.. you sound more ruthless and much more of a rl **** than a griefer/ganker. Pretty much makes it clear that you believe everything should be Your Way.. and if it isn't Your Way, then it is the wrong way. I'd say that's the urban definition of an Asshat. Well, you are what you are I guess.

You're the type of person that would be better off finding a different game to play, one that doesn't involve people stepping on your pretty flowers causing you to have a mental aneurysm.

I respect the option that people have to mine, build, mission, explore.. just as much as I respect those that want to destroy and create mayham. How one goes about it to find their enjoyment is upto them.. if they follow the rules, it's 'whatever' to me. This is a Game. EVE isn't EVE without either.. Chaos and Order.. both are part of human nature.

And so The old EVE analogy still stands.. a person can build a castle in the sandbox if he chooses to do so.. just as he has the choice to kick over someone else's castle instead.

Maybe you should care less about people's motives, and how it conflicts with your moral opinions.. and concenrate more on making yourself successful with what you got, instead of acting like you need divine intervention to make it in this world. What a ***** that makes you quite honestly. You have the same tools before you as a griefer does.. what you do with them is on You, not them. Remember that.

Countess FookMe
Posted - 2011.02.28 02:56:00 - [47]
 

"Lets continue to let CCP pay for the ships thru their unfair insurance practices with ships involved in this event by paying for their ships to do it."

To elaborate:
CCP was to implement a very long time ago 0 insurance payout from any kill involving Concord.
Wonder why this wasn't implemented? Were they distracted by the CSM's or a CCP employee playing the game who thought it wasn't in his/her best interest to their wallet?

Guess we will never know.

Chopper Rollins
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.02.28 05:41:00 - [48]
 

This thread! What a hoot!
Confirming i mined in a Hulk for two hours every single day of Griefergeddon.
Thanx for the HAG4 intel channel, 2007 characters with no clue about aggro mechanics or fitting were a real entertaining distraction from warning miners they mentioned. Not because i care, just because it seemed right to make loose lips miss kills.

Ha HA Ha OH WOW.


Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy
Black Sun Alliance
Posted - 2011.02.28 06:50:00 - [49]
 

Originally by: garus banta

But there is a more serious threat, while hulkageddon is a threat to miners there is a much more sinister and real threat.

Bot mining.



I believe the number of bot miners is really lower than most players estimate. Regular mining looks quite the same as bot mining. Are there some miners that seem like bots and are annoying.. yes. I see a couple of them every day. I mine every day.. some days all day long.. and people have called me a bot because of it. Nothing could be further from the truth. I don't bot.

The rise in prices is partly due to hulkagedden but please recognize that the event stifled many legit miners from getting their minerals to market to take advantage of prices were already on their way up with the release of Incursion. Prices will fall a little after the hulk event not because of botters.. but because all miners will flood the market suddenly.

The fact is many people mine to make all their money without bots.. and more people play the game than ever before. It's called growth. Are the few botters a "serious danger" to me? Well, I hardly believe a botter is going to try to gank my freighter full of trit.

I don't care about hulkageddon; it's not my thing. As far as it can discourage botting I applaud. but I just think it's not that effective at killing botters... because there are more regular miners.. and those miners are the victims of bot hate (not the bots themselves) ..especially during this event.

(This is if you actually believe that the "bot hate" is anything more than artificial rage/role play to make hulkageddon more fun.)

Ramma Lamma DingDong
Posted - 2011.02.28 07:18:00 - [50]
 

Originally by: garus banta
Edited by: garus banta on 27/02/2011 09:55:12
I know many of you are glad that hulkageddon is about to end soon so you can return to mining and other ops.



Some of us never stopped.

Dorn Val
Posted - 2011.02.28 08:30:00 - [51]
 

Originally by: Helicity Boson

Google "Summer of 10 expose on RMT", go to the first link, and in particular begin reading on page 8 of that forum thread, post number 365.

I think you will be as thoroughly shocked as I was.

don't get me wrong here, I'm on your side, I just don't believe CCP are -actually- doing their best to stop it.


Look at thread number 527. The poster is Italian, so English isn't his first language. But he is a botter admitting that CCP won't do anything about botting because it generates more GTCs and therefore more money for CCP (when it's not used in the RMT).

Burnharder
Posted - 2011.02.28 08:39:00 - [52]
 

Yea I experienced some strange behaviour from a couple of other toons in system yesterday. I assumed they were bots, although at first glance they look legit. Bots don't reply to friendly conversation openers. It's a kind-of Turing test :p.

I don't know what happens when you petition them, if anything.




Feligast
Minmatar
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.02.28 10:09:00 - [53]
 

Originally by: Countess ****Me
And lets not forget to praise CSM mynxee for sponsoring griefing aka terrorism of the player honestly playing the game while fattening his wallet


Quote of the year. The tears are strong in the one.

Originally by: Countess ****Me
Some of may think this rant is some tears to be harvested but let me assure you as a grown man of many years, there are no tears for any of you in a video game.


With an alt named Countess ****Me? Your maturity shines through like a beacon to us all. Your entire post belies this one statement.

Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
Posted - 2011.02.28 13:38:00 - [54]
 

This thread is like an idiot-magnet. Thanks for the entertainment. <3

Ingvar Angst
Amarr
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
Talocan United
Posted - 2011.02.28 14:27:00 - [55]
 

Even as a newer player I can see that the main problem with people getting their hulks blown is simply greed. It's been demonstrated that a well tanked hulk can withstand significant damage... often more than enough to last until Concord arrives. However, people choose to go the cargo route instead... trying to squeeze that last iota of ore possible into their ships. Get rid of the cargo rigs and the cargo expanders and tank it up. You've made your hulk into a large glass bubble, yet complain when it gets popped.

Or, find a nice, warm loving wormhole, keep an eye on the d-scan and mine in peaceful bliss. This works too.

WowThisGameIsAwesome
Posted - 2011.02.28 14:30:00 - [56]
 

Originally by: Ingvar Angst
Even as a newer player I can see that the main problem with people getting their hulks blown is simply greed. It's been demonstrated that a well tanked hulk can withstand significant damage... often more than enough to last until Concord arrives. However, people choose to go the cargo route instead... trying to squeeze that last iota of ore possible into their ships. Get rid of the cargo rigs and the cargo expanders and tank it up. You've made your hulk into a large glass bubble, yet complain when it gets popped.

Or, find a nice, warm loving wormhole, keep an eye on the d-scan and mine in peaceful bliss. This works too.

Arti-Tempest ?

Helicity Boson
Amarr
The Python Cartel.
The Defenders of Pen Island
Posted - 2011.02.28 14:48:00 - [57]
 

I really love how everyone always posts assumptions on why I do it.

-I have a hulk BPO/make lots of isk off it (I do not)
-Industrialists hire me (they do not)
-It's about the bots (yes and no, I do like that its mostly bots that pop cos i hate em)
-It's about the tears (I do enjoy tears, they make me laugh)

I've thought long and hard about -why- I do it, and found it's impossibly hard to put it down to a singular reason, but...

I mostly do it because it's just generally a lot of fun, it's hard work, but people value it, I get good laughs out the preposterous paranoia on the forums, attention is generally nice. And above all I do it because it does make quite a few people very happy to play in the event. And the recognition for that is a very wonderful thing to experience.

I'm an oddball in EVE, I recognize that, I don't give two flying fudges about isk. All I need is a few ships and people to chill with and have fun, and I'm quite content with the game. I guess that is why I have not taken all the prizes and ran for the hills; I have no use for such amounts of isk, and the price of not being able to run anymore events is just too high. Likewise the API keys I've been entrusted with will never be used for anything else either... there is simply nothing to be gained from that which I might want.

The crux of it is really, I enjoy running the event more than almost anything I can do in EVE, that keeps me honest. I have no lofty goals for the event (trolling-RP-schtick aside) other than to generate some mayhem and have a funny contest and hand out some prizes.

If you're looking for some deep philosophical or monetary justification for Hulkageddon, you will be looking for quite some time. There is none.

I think it's fun, and so I do it.

Toovhon
Posted - 2011.02.28 14:50:00 - [58]
 

Bull**** - Hulkageddon does nothing to stop macrominers, nor do they care one iota about ganking them. T1 industraials however... ohh, they can't wait. What a challenge :-D

Haquer
Posted - 2011.02.28 23:03:00 - [59]
 

Originally by: Countess ****Me
And lets not forget to praise CSM mynxee for sponsoring griefing aka terrorism of the player honestly playing the game while fattening his wallet


Literally terrorists.

Kengutsi Akira
Posted - 2011.02.28 23:40:00 - [60]
 

Originally by: Countess ****Me
"Lets continue to let CCP pay for the ships thru their unfair insurance practices with ships involved in this event by paying for their ships to do it."

To elaborate:
CCP was to implement a very long time ago 0 insurance payout from any kill involving Concord.
Wonder why this wasn't implemented? Were they distracted by the CSM's or a CCP employee playing the game who thought it wasn't in his/her best interest to their wallet?

Guess we will never know.


no, its cause this is the best ISK sink ever lol


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