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Hermosa Diosas
Ministry Of Mining And Industry
Posted - 2011.04.28 11:26:00 - [91]
 

Edited by: Hermosa Diosas on 28/04/2011 11:27:02
Lol nothing but a 'we need more targets' whine thread.
Especially as your KB needs some serious loving..

As all you seem to be killing is pods and noob ships..

Pathetic, if you aint good enough to fight in low sec get out. Dont change something just cos you want easier targets.

Lets get more carebears ratting up their sec status in low sec so we have more easier targets in the belts...

Seriously....NO

Karash Amerius
Sutoka
Posted - 2011.04.28 23:33:00 - [92]
 

This is one of those ideas that I haven't even read before, and agree with. Nice one Mashie.

Montmazar
Autocannons Anonymous
Posted - 2011.04.29 02:09:00 - [93]
 

Edited by: Montmazar on 29/04/2011 02:12:36


Came expecting a long rant about how mean people are mean, left pleasantly surprised. Finally a good idea to boost low-sec.

edit to add:

Quote:

Lets get more carebears ratting up their sec status in low sec so we have more easier targets in the belts...



Hilariously poorly thought out rebuttal, there. Why would a "carebear" need to rat up sec status? This proposal only affects highsec gankers and the people who already live in lowsec, and judging by all the supports here, the latter group largely agrees with this proposal.

Pity the poor highsec gankers. . .They may suffer a day of risk in their EVE life.

The Djego
Minmatar
Hellequin Inc.
Posted - 2011.06.10 15:24:00 - [94]
 

bump

Darryl Ward
Posted - 2011.06.10 15:54:00 - [95]
 


Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Posted - 2011.06.10 16:24:00 - [96]
 


I think this is a well deserved boost to low sec....

El 1974
Posted - 2011.06.10 17:41:00 - [97]
 

Not supporting this idea to trick carebears into going into low-sec. You should get a higher security boost in highsec than in lowsec or 0.0. It makes no sense for Concord to give higher rewards for areas where it cares less.

Mashie Saldana
Minmatar
Veto Corp
Posted - 2011.06.11 09:43:00 - [98]
 

Originally by: El 1974
Not supporting this idea to trick carebears into going into low-sec. You should get a higher security boost in highsec than in lowsec or 0.0. It makes no sense for Concord to give higher rewards for areas where it cares less.

Carebears shouldn't have negative sec to start with so no trickery going on here. Also what is the point of getting massive sec gain in highsec when those who actually needs it can't enter those systems?

Anna Lifera
6....
HAWK Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.11 14:13:00 - [99]
 

Originally by: Mashie Saldana
Carebears shouldn't have negative sec to start with so no trickery going on here. Also what is the point of getting massive sec gain in highsec when those who actually needs it can't enter those systems?


try opening your eyes and looking at a perspective other than just from your -10. u see all the yellow skulls? they can rat in high sec because they were responsible enough to not let it drop that far. "oh noes! i didn't bother to care enough about my sec and now i can't get back to high sec!" u made your decision now deal with the consequences. or u can rat in the low sec u love so much; u do realize u can already do that right?

Mars Theran
Caldari
EVE Rogues
EVE Rogues Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.11 17:52:00 - [100]
 

I have to disagree with this. Not because Pirates should have to Rep their status in Lowsec, but because they do it there or in 0.0 anyway, and based on system security increase profit while doing.

Now here's the dumb: What about highsec players who feel like Ratting to raise security status? Suddenly they have to go to Lowsec and Rat in places that are now over-run by Pirates, rather than just completely dominated by them. I'm not talking gankers or pirates in highsec either, I'm just talking players.

Here's what I think, again: No security repping for gankers and pirates at all. You want to rep your security, you stop being a criminal. It should take you days or weeks to have the opportunity again, based on where your security status is at. -5: Ten downtimes without a neg. security hit. -10: 30 downtimes. BAMM!!

Suffer. I don't care about your whining either. You play the game your way and suffer the consequences. I also think I should be able to gank you sans security status hit anytime and anywhere without Concord interference provided my status is above 0

Veshta Yoshida
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2011.06.11 18:16:00 - [101]
 

Took the liberty of pirating (clever pun or what! Smile) the idea to incorporate into my low-sec vision thread.

Just too good to leave out.

Mars Theran
Caldari
EVE Rogues
EVE Rogues Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.11 18:25:00 - [102]
 

As a counterproposal, I'd say remove security status gain in Nullsec. That should at least accomplish part of what you are looking for, and it makes sense. Nullsec has no Concord, and thus no reason for Security status gain, aside from popping rats. Either that, or reduce it to the equivalent security status gain you would get in Highsec, and make low the predominant area for quick security status gains.

I've never actually checked what the gains are per area, but I assume the tougher the rat, the higher the gain.

Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
Posted - 2011.06.14 15:04:00 - [103]
 

Originally by: Anna Lifera
... You see all the yellow skulls?...

Compare owners of yellow skulls to shop lifters and reds to murderers .. one is a fine or community service and the other is hard time or task of helping to clean up a rough neighbourhood.
Have you ever tried repairing more than a few digits by ratting in high-sec? Sure it can be done but chances are you'll be dead from slit wrists at the end of it .. it is like digging a trench with a table spoon.
Originally by: Mars Theran
...I've never actually checked what the gains are per area, but I assume the tougher the rat, the higher the gain.

Bounty and system security both factor in, which is why one has to be a bot or a moron to even consider repairing anything but a security-blip in low/high as things stand.

Anna Lifera
6....
HAWK Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.15 02:56:00 - [104]
 

Edited by: Anna Lifera on 15/06/2011 02:57:16
Originally by: Hirana Yoshida
Compare owners of yellow skulls to shop lifters and reds to murderers .. one is a fine or community service and the other is hard time or task of helping to clean up a rough neighbourhood.
Have you ever tried repairing more than a few digits by ratting in high-sec? Sure it can be done but chances are you'll be dead from slit wrists at the end of it .. it is like digging a trench with a table spoon.


and what's your point with comparing reality to a science fiction game? well, other than confirm exactly why reds deserve what they brought on themselves. as for sec status repair, try to actually check all my kills. then check my sec status. and--whoa! guess what! i'm still here! does that boggle your mind?! Shocked maybe u just need to htfu and handle the consequences. can't handle a little punishment, go to 0.0 or quit...or in your case, sure, go ahead and /wrist... Laughing

Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
Posted - 2011.06.15 06:51:00 - [105]
 

Originally by: Anna Lifera
.. well, other than confirm exactly why reds deserve what they brought on themselves....

That is just it, there are no consequences. You can go on a killing spree, tank your security and then go to the mens club (0.0) and get it back in nearly complete safety.

Looking at your kills I can understand why you oppose a change such as this. It would mean that you actually have to put yourself at risk instead of shooting unarmed ships and ratting sec in blue seas.

Eperor
Posted - 2011.06.15 11:29:00 - [106]
 

Edited by: Eperor on 15/06/2011 11:29:27
suport this good idea, that will halp some ppl understand that sec status its important not just number in line.

forgot to suport :)

Cpt Fina
Red Dwarf Mining Corporation
space weaponry and trade
Posted - 2011.06.15 12:00:00 - [107]
 

I would support this but i would like to see the secstatus gained from low-sec rats increased slightly.

CCP should also look into other ways to raise one's sec status other than grinding rats. Killing outlaw players for example. This should have a major positive impact on ones secstatus imo.

Anna Lifera
6....
HAWK Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.15 13:41:00 - [108]
 

Edited by: Anna Lifera on 15/06/2011 14:05:18
Originally by: Hirana Yoshida
That is just it, there are no consequences. You can go on a killing spree, tank your security and then go to the mens club (0.0) and get it back in nearly complete safety.

Looking at your kills I can understand why you oppose a change such as this. It would mean that you actually have to put yourself at risk instead of shooting unarmed ships and ratting sec in blue seas.


with the 9001 afk-cloaking whine threads, i beg to differ; since they're too scared to continue when 1 red shows up in local, that's the equalizer right there.

u talk about risks and consequences...

news flash--it's called automatic ship loss; u know, when u're guaranteed to actually...lose your ship? that's more risk and consequences than most -10s would ever have to face, or to be more accurate, want to face.

news flash--they're called kill rights, only u don't want to exercise your kill rights (even though it's much easier to do so in high sec) because u're too scared to since u can't hide behind a fleet. if u don't want to lift a finger to enforce that risk and have ccp do it instead then that's your fault for being lazy and scared.

not to mention, any -10 can circumvent their risks and consequences with an alt. i can understand why u'd still want a change such as this; u want high sec to be 100% safe, just like every other -10 here who wants to log on their high sec alt to afk isk print in safety, especially when they're waiting out an actual fight by shooing away their enemies with boredom.

and with all of your risk-aversion, u're asking ccp to put in more risks and consequences for your enemies, and at the same time, more safety and risk-free alt-hiding for yourselves. keep dreaming or htfu 'cause it ain't gonna happen.

Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
Posted - 2011.06.15 15:40:00 - [109]
 

Edited by: Hirana Yoshida on 15/06/2011 15:41:19
Originally by: Cpt Fina
I would support this but i would like to see the secstatus gained from low-sec rats increased slightly.

That is part of the original suggestion I think, to bring the gain up to approximately the same level as is currently possible in null .. it shouldn't become more of a timesink than it already is, balance is in the inherent risk involved in lowsec ratting.

Perhaps if we can persuade CCP to give us a viable bounty hunting system instead of the exploitable mess we have now the sec. for killing other pirates would make sense .. difficult to do without creating obvious loophole of smartbombing highsec to go instantly to -10 and then killing that alt repeatedly.
Originally by: Anna Lifera
news flash--it's called automatic ship loss..

Valid if insurance was voided when Concord intervenes, until then it can not be used as argument as insurance skews the risk/reward heavily in your favour.
Originally by: Anna Lifera
news flash--they're called kill rights..

We both know that carebears have neither the skills nor the inclination to pursue those right, if that was the norm then suiciders would have some other hapless guys to kick around .. might be valid if/when KR become tradeable commodities.
Originally by: Anna Lifera
..i can understand why...

I (Veshta Yoshida) am in the militia and rarely exit low-sec. Could care less about security in high-sec to be honest.
As for alt use, yes they are a way to get around consequences in just about all areas of Eve. Since they are not exclusively by pirates in that capacity used the argument also be discarded.

Portmanteau
Gallente
CTRL-Q
Posted - 2011.06.15 16:07:00 - [110]
 

supported, as long as sec gains of lowsec rats are increased to match those of null sec rats that will be removed

Erichk Knaar
Caldari
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
Posted - 2011.06.15 16:08:00 - [111]
 

Good idea. Supported. No reason null should have sec gains if it doesn't have sec losses. I don't know about removing it from hisec though, as long as it's scaled appropriately (i.e. it takes forever).

Swynet
State War Academy

Posted - 2011.06.15 16:25:00 - [112]
 

Originally by: Selinate
So this proposal is essentially an attempt to kick griefers out of high sec for a while so they can endure low sec instead of picking on highsec carebears?


Just for this I'd say hell yeah twice. Their tears are more valuable than any carebeer kill, really.

CCP do it NAO Laughing

Anna Lifera
6....
HAWK Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.15 23:59:00 - [113]
 

Edited by: Anna Lifera on 16/06/2011 00:37:12
Originally by: Hirana Yoshida
Valid if insurance was voided when Concord intervenes, until then it can not be used as argument as insurance skews the risk/reward heavily in your favour.


u neglected to mention the "reward" part relying completely on the target and u've forgotten the sec hit u already stated, which is obviously so painful for u.

Originally by: Hirana Yoshida
We both know that carebears have neither the skills nor the inclination to pursue those right, if that was the norm then suiciders would have some other hapless guys to kick around .. might be valid if/when KR become tradeable commodities.


and what about their mains and the consequences of their decision to hide behind a weak char when carebearing it up? that's what i thought.

Originally by: Hirana Yoshida
I (Veshta Yoshida) am in the militia and rarely exit low-sec. Could care less about security in high-sec to be honest.
As for alt use, yes they are a way to get around consequences in just about all areas of Eve. Since they are not exclusively by pirates in that capacity used the argument also be discarded.


1. u say u're in fw and u could "care less" about security in high sec, yet u're whining about suicide ganking. and the best part? u cry about risk vs reward while u're hiding behind the safety of your fw blob. plz continue--i'd really love to hear it.
2. and not all suicide gank victims r exclusively newbies or pure carebears (without pvp alts) either so by your logic, any whines about suicide ganking, namely yours, r invalid.

Tuvar Hiede
Caldari
Quovis
Posted - 2011.06.16 01:44:00 - [114]
 

Spoken like someone who's never dug themself out of pirate status

Lilith Velkor
Minmatar
Heretic Army
B A N E
Posted - 2011.06.16 02:02:00 - [115]
 

Bump, good idea.

Anna Lifera
6....
HAWK Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.16 14:13:00 - [116]
 

Originally by: Tuvar Hiede
Spoken like someone who's never dug themself out of pirate status


exactly my point--and they don't want to find out. "oh noes grinding sec status is so hard! BAW!" so they just take the easy way out by hiding behind their high sec alt to afk, wait out, and avoid any actual fights while isk printing at the same time. can't war dec them 'cause they stay in an npc corp so when they face the consequences for doing so via suicide gank, they cry about the suicide gank and cry about nerfs to it. they want an easier mode...just for themselves.

Morrigu Storm
D'tael Contracts

Posted - 2011.06.16 19:47:00 - [117]
 



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