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Mashie Saldana
Minmatar
Veto Corp
Posted - 2011.04.16 16:48:00 - [61]
 

Bump for the new CSM Very Happy

YourMomPlayseve
Posted - 2011.04.16 22:29:00 - [62]
 

******ed idea.

That means if you wanna learn pvp you have to do wardecs or blob in 0.0.

DarkAegix
Gallente
Posted - 2011.04.16 23:52:00 - [63]
 

Interesting :)
There are both tears, and fun to be had.

Veshta Yoshida
Amarr
PIE Inc.

Posted - 2011.04.17 07:26:00 - [64]
 

Sensible. Make community service the way of the future!

Keras Authion
Science and Trade Institute
Posted - 2011.04.17 07:45:00 - [65]
 

Remove or lessen the sec gain from null rats. Why?

If you are bad you can just go back to the safe alliance space and fix your ss without any risk. Now if null didn't fix ss you'd have to:

a) rat in the highsec belts very inefficiently

b) go to lowsec belts and be in a danger of being ganked yourself

c) grind missions and risk losing your mission ship when someone decides to use their killrights. I'd say people would be more willing to get revenge if it felt like a revenge and not just a nuisance that's got over in 15 minutes at most when you lose a gankship.

Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles

Posted - 2011.04.17 13:31:00 - [66]
 

Edited by: Kazuo Ishiguro on 17/04/2011 13:54:45
Edited by: Kazuo Ishiguro on 17/04/2011 13:41:27
Thread needs some attention from CSM members imho.

My suspicion is that this would lead to lots of people running missions in lowsec in unprobeable Tengus. Of course, some of them would make mistakes from time to time...

Edit: if people would like to give some indication of where they usually go to regain sec status, I've started a poll on FHC:
http://failheap-challenge.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=668

This will help us get an idea of whether making this change is likely to have much of an impact on people's habits.

Aineko Macx
Posted - 2011.04.17 13:48:00 - [67]
 

This could actually work. Cautious support.

Tony Ockabasi
Posted - 2011.04.17 13:57:00 - [68]
 

This is strong plan

Mashie Saldana
Minmatar
Veto Corp
Posted - 2011.04.17 17:59:00 - [69]
 

Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro
Edited by: Kazuo Ishiguro on 17/04/2011 13:54:45
Edited by: Kazuo Ishiguro on 17/04/2011 13:41:27
Thread needs some attention from CSM members imho.

My suspicion is that this would lead to lots of people running missions in lowsec in unprobeable Tengus. Of course, some of them would make mistakes from time to time...

Edit: if people would like to give some indication of where they usually go to regain sec status, I've started a poll on FHC:
http://failheap-challenge.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=668

This will help us get an idea of whether making this change is likely to have much of an impact on people's habits.

Added to the OP, cheers.

Amarr Priest
Amarr
Paragon.
Nulli Tertius
Posted - 2011.04.17 19:09:00 - [70]
 

Sec status is a fail penalty in my opinion, I think it should be removed or revamped and I have an idea that I will get to in a sec. We all know People who do crimes could care less about sec so if your thinking this will stop griefers or make pirates stop to think, think again.

If I was going to invent a real penalty I rather see a more real life practice put into the game. Fine the people who commit crimes. Now you would not have to pay the fine, The fine buys back your sec status kinda like a bounty on your sec status, so if you want to go pirate you don't have to worry about paying anything but if your not and want to keep your sec up you will have to pay large sums of isk. I'm thinking like 25 million for every 0.1 sec status. That will make you think twice about committing a crime.

Orar Ironfist
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2011.04.18 05:20:00 - [71]
 

Supported

Aamrr
Posted - 2011.04.18 05:46:00 - [72]
 

If you're going to do this, get rid of the ******ed sec status penalty for repping flashies. My sec status has dropped more in the last month from that than any other source.

Actually, logistics and sec status interaction is crap overall. Fix logistics aggression.

Pheusia
Gallente
The Initiative.
Posted - 2011.04.18 09:13:00 - [73]
 

This simply makes sense. You can't lose se in 0.0 so there's no reason to gain it there either.

It will create much more gameplay than the silly "fines" idea above, plus we'll actually see people ratting in lo-sec again. This proposal is a win for everyone.

Amarr Priest
Amarr
Paragon.
Nulli Tertius
Posted - 2011.04.18 10:00:00 - [74]
 

Originally by: Aamrr
If you're going to do this, get rid of the ******ed sec status penalty for repping flashies. My sec status has dropped more in the last month from that than any other source.

Actually, logistics and sec status interaction is crap overall. Fix logistics aggression.


Petition it and ccp will give it back, Being in the militia this comes up a lot and we found that if you petition they recognize its broken and will give you your sec status back. I've gotten mine back every time.

Also I don't think my fines idea is that bad, it actually makes you pay for your crime rather than be like oh I lost sec pffff I'll fix it in a day or two. Ratting is also the worst way to gain it back. Try running an incursion or run level 4 missions or go do exploration and kill overseers and faction guys. Centum 6/10 has 4 overseers, each give nice big chunks of sec status. I know why you want more people ratting in belts is cuz you want easy ganks. If you want more targets in your low sec, yell at ccp to increase rewards in low, but then you run into the problem of null sec alliances showing more interest in low for isk potential and so the endless debate goes on. You want pew pew in low just move over to Amamake YARRRR!! You wont even have to worry about sec status there

Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
Posted - 2011.04.18 12:38:00 - [75]
 

Originally by: Amarr Priest
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Problem is that ISK is cheap (literally) whereas time is not.
Were people allowed to just buy security you will be in worse shape than the current "rat in safety in NAP-land" .. besides, wouldn't really make sense RP wise unless you consider the Empires and Concord 3rd World banana republics where money talks.

Idea is for people who break the law and get negative security to be forced into doing community service (low-sec ratting) and not just their day-job (null ratting) which they are going to do anyway to fatten their wallets.

PS: It will make a lot more sense in conjunction with a low-sec revamp to truly make it the area of space the gentile fear and -10's fight perpetually over access to stuffz™

Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts

Posted - 2011.04.18 14:03:00 - [76]
 

Good idea this. It always makes me laugh when I see a 0.0 dweller with a 5.0 sec status. I know what you've been doing. Razz

I wonder about the sec gain in highsec alternative though. Many (not all but many) missions give sec status gains. I've used them to fix sec status in complete safety, once I've grinded up to -4.0 or whatever I needed to not have the faction police get angry at me in that system, and it would quite easy for a suicide-ganker to manage sec in this fashion without having to go to lowsec. If nullsec doesn't give sec gain, neither should highsec missions, or missions at all (just lowsec anomalies and belts?)?

Mashie Saldana
Minmatar
Veto Corp
Posted - 2011.04.18 14:27:00 - [77]
 

Originally by: Gypsio III
If nullsec doesn't give sec gain, neither should highsec missions, or missions at all (just lowsec anomalies and belts?)?

That is correct, as per the proposal, only lowsec belts should give sec status gain.

Gavjack Bunk
Gallente
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2011.04.18 14:36:00 - [78]
 

An excellent idea. And since this is in the Assembly Hall, CCP can falsely give the credit it for it to the CSM as well.

Everybody wins.

Anna Lifera
6....
HAWK Alliance
Posted - 2011.04.18 15:07:00 - [79]
 

interesting concept...and how would this address alt usage to completely circumvent having to grind sec status back up in low sec, aka do the crime on one alt, grind easy isk outside of low sec on the other? because i've never had anyone answer this even once. Wink

Mashie Saldana
Minmatar
Veto Corp
Posted - 2011.04.18 15:28:00 - [80]
 

Originally by: Anna Lifera
interesting concept...and how would this address alt usage to completely circumvent having to grind sec status back up in low sec, aka do the crime on one alt, grind easy isk outside of low sec on the other? because i've never had anyone answer this even once. Wink

You will eventually run out of alt slots. If you start recycling the alts you will get banned as per current rules.

Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles
Posted - 2011.04.18 17:59:00 - [81]
 

Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro
If people would like to give some indication of where they usually go to regain sec status, I've started a poll on FHC:
http://failheap-challenge.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=668

This will help us get an idea of whether making this change is likely to have much of an impact on people's habits.


The poll currently indicates that out of those people who repair their sec status, a large majority do so in 0.0 space. So that gives some weight to this proposal.

Vertisce Soritenshi
SHADOW WARD
Tragedy.
Posted - 2011.04.18 18:19:00 - [82]
 

Edited by: Vertisce Soritenshi on 18/04/2011 18:18:47
If I had it my way I would say that a piracy killing in empire even just once results in an instant -5 sec status for all of empire. This negative sec status remains unchanged no matter what you do for at least 3 months after which you may slowly begin to increase your sec status.

You wanna be a pirate? Then be a pirate. Stay in lowsec or be concorded every time you enter highsec. Live on the fringes and pay more for your ships and modules because you want to be a pirate.

Piracy as it stands is too cozy of a profession.

Ris Dnalor
Minmatar
Fleet of Doom

Posted - 2011.04.19 01:12:00 - [83]
 

excellent idea. :)

Anna Lifera
6....
HAWK Alliance
Posted - 2011.04.19 03:44:00 - [84]
 

Edited by: Anna Lifera on 19/04/2011 03:54:47
Originally by: Mashie Saldana
You will eventually run out of alt slots. If you start recycling the alts you will get banned as per current rules.


that's not what i meant. there's no recycling involved with one char staying at low sec status and doing the crimes while his carebear alt grinds all the needed isk in safer havens. there's no recycling or sec status repair needed at all since one just stays at low sec status while the other is completely unaffected. so how's this gonna get fixed?

Mashie Saldana
Minmatar
Veto Corp
Posted - 2011.04.19 09:50:00 - [85]
 

Originally by: Anna Lifera
that's not what i meant. there's no recycling involved with one char staying at low sec status and doing the crimes while his carebear alt grinds all the needed isk in safer havens. there's no recycling or sec status repair needed at all since one just stays at low sec status while the other is completely unaffected. so how's this gonna get fixed?

Well that would is the way of the outlaws.

This change is more for the gankbears that want to randomly suicide haulers/mission runners in highsec. They will have their easy out of jail card slightly nerfed.

Opertone
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.

Posted - 2011.04.19 11:57:00 - [86]
 

fully support

Anna Lifera
6....
HAWK Alliance
Posted - 2011.04.19 13:52:00 - [87]
 

Edited by: Anna Lifera on 19/04/2011 14:00:21
Originally by: Mashie Saldana
Well that would is the way of the outlaws.

This change is more for the gankbears that want to randomly suicide haulers/mission runners in highsec. They will have their easy out of jail card slightly nerfed.


translation: suicide ganking nerf, NOT criminal nerf, from -10s with high sec alts who just want to nerf other pirates because the -10s have to feel 100% safe. funny how u mentioned how "easy" it is for them, yet your case is no different. u just used different words so that carebears and risk-averse pirates alike can support it without looking like the real gankbears u talk so much about, which leads to:

Quote:
Not supported at all.

What a ridiculous case of self-interest. "CCP, bring me more targets to play with, please!"

It is bad enough that the 0.0 alliance leaders' main interest is forcing more people into their arena, now the lowsec pirates are at it, too?

Oh wait...did I just fall for a troll? Oh well.


that pretty much summed it up right there--combine that with your "that is the way of the outlaws" and it's u and every supporter who r the "gankbears", especially when u want to keep your high sec alts safe just because u're too scared to be a target in the same space u use to farm easy killmails. remember this:

Originally by: Mashie Saldana
If you do the crime you should also do the time in a suitably unpleasant area which happens to be lowsec, no more jump cloning back to your safe 0.0 home and undo the security hit in a few hours after behaving badly in empire.


u chose your lifestyle, now pay the consequences for it. and if u still don't like it, rat all the sec status back up, preferably in that low sec u love so much, since doing that is so easy to u. Laughing

Sutskop
PILSGESCHWADER
Monkey Circus
Posted - 2011.04.19 14:59:00 - [88]
 

Originally by: Bagehi
I lived in low sec for almost 2 years. I still raid low sec to this day. You can say what you want, we mop you guys up easily. With < 10 ships. Again, you really don't want null seccers sticking around for extended time in low sec because it will be bad for newer players... and it will inevitably end up with more escalations to hot drops in low sec which is bad for everyone.



lol. interesting that newer players usually go to 0.0 first. when we raid nullsec with maybe 10 ships (usually without logistics - I mean, 2 logistics for 6 ships, srsly? you beg that hard for ecm?) they usually don't fight unless their size is 50+

I support the original idea because, well, in nullsec you don't lose sec, so you shouldn't gain any either.

Lagruna Zegata
Posted - 2011.04.27 11:28:00 - [89]
 

This idea is interesting and worth a further look. Some modifications may be necessary such as gaining sec in low-sec anomalies and...what about those few gate and station rats? Would definitely make low-sec a more active place (in good or bad ways as other posters stated).

NomNom Brains
The Scope
Posted - 2011.04.28 11:11:00 - [90]
 

I went beg seven last summer and took me a solid week, six hours a day in a cloaky tengu to get above minus two... Halfway through day two I was about ready to blow my own brains out....

Trust me, the punishment is more than sufficient.... *shudders*

(Oh, and before the trolling over six hour days come in id just like to point out im an unemployed student... and it was summer. :D)



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