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Sepheir Sepheron
Caldari
1st Grave
Posted - 2011.03.02 00:31:00 - [31]
 

Yeah.

Lykouleon
Wildly Inappropriate
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.02 01:51:00 - [32]
 

Edited by: Lykouleon on 02/03/2011 01:51:35
Real men just smart-bomb Raven outside of Jita 4-4 and then live the rest of their life in null vOv

+1

Omara Otawan
Posted - 2011.03.02 02:08:00 - [33]
 

Edited by: Omara Otawan on 02/03/2011 02:09:13

Not sure if it should go to these extremes. Maybe something like restricting to belt rats only, and giving 100% sec status update in hisec (or even 125%, only small fish there in belts anyway), 75% in lowsec, and 25% in nullsec?

In general worth exploring though, sec status loss is too easy to regain currently.

Bossy Lady
Posted - 2011.03.02 11:27:00 - [34]
 

Originally by: Bagehi
Originally by: Ephemeron
It is a reasonable request, considering that those who PvP in 0.0 get no sec penalties. So for pure 0.0 alliance people, it doesn't matter at all. Those that choose to kill in empire should deal with the consequences in empire.


Have you considered that we can farm a low sec system for sec status the same way we can a null sec system? My corp controlled (dominated) a low sec system for about a month when we were between alliances, and we are mostly industrials. That is what would happen to fairly big chunks of low sec. Null sec pilots have resources and manpower to throw at such things.

No one is pure 0.0 PVP anymore with Tech moons in low sec. You will end up with piles of cap pilots needing sec, which means you'll end up with systems populated by a bunch of caps and super caps grinding standings back up after a weekend of unpleasant POS bashes.



Sounds pretty good to me. How soon could we make this start happening?

Mashie Saldana
Minmatar
Veto Corp
Posted - 2011.03.07 09:02:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: Bossy Lady
Originally by: Bagehi
Originally by: Ephemeron
It is a reasonable request, considering that those who PvP in 0.0 get no sec penalties. So for pure 0.0 alliance people, it doesn't matter at all. Those that choose to kill in empire should deal with the consequences in empire.


Have you considered that we can farm a low sec system for sec status the same way we can a null sec system? My corp controlled (dominated) a low sec system for about a month when we were between alliances, and we are mostly industrials. That is what would happen to fairly big chunks of low sec. Null sec pilots have resources and manpower to throw at such things.

No one is pure 0.0 PVP anymore with Tech moons in low sec. You will end up with piles of cap pilots needing sec, which means you'll end up with systems populated by a bunch of caps and super caps grinding standings back up after a weekend of unpleasant POS bashes.



Sounds pretty good to me. How soon could we make this start happening?

ASAP would be fine for me. ugh

Marconus Orion
D00M.
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2011.03.07 09:42:00 - [36]
 

I agree. The only time you gain a sec status increase should be while in low sec.

Dibsi Dei
Salamyhkaisten kilta
Posted - 2011.03.07 15:31:00 - [37]
 

Originally by: Bagehi
No one is pure 0.0 PVP anymore with Tech moons in low sec. You will end up with piles of cap pilots needing sec, which means you'll end up with systems populated by a bunch of caps and super caps grinding standings back up after a weekend of unpleasant POS bashes.


why do capital pilots need standings

Dream Nine
Posted - 2011.03.08 07:31:00 - [38]
 

Originally by: klyeme
I would like to be able to trade sec status

Example: A character with some excess (above 0.0) sec status could trade another player for isk (sec status for isk).


Create alt. Trade security for 0 isk. Terminate alt.

The Djego
Minmatar
Hellequin Inc.
Posted - 2011.03.08 09:04:00 - [39]
 

Edited by: The Djego on 08/03/2011 09:10:13
Originally by: Dream Nine
Originally by: klyeme
I would like to be able to trade sec status

Example: A character with some excess (above 0.0) sec status could trade another player for isk (sec status for isk).


Create alt. Trade security for 0 isk. Terminate alt.


Alts start with 0.0 security.

Edit: Also it would be bad if people could trade the sec status they have on chars where they don't require it(chars that never leave empire).

The Djego
Minmatar
Hellequin Inc.
Posted - 2011.03.14 09:49:00 - [40]
 

bump

Pinky Denmark
The Cursed Navy
Important Internet Spaceship League
Posted - 2011.03.14 13:14:00 - [41]
 

Security status need to be easier. If Im not allowed to gank people easier in hi-sec the economy will be going nuts...

Maybe I should just be regenerating sec status pr hour instead of having to kill rats. Low Sec pirates shouldn't be able to just camp all day - come to 0.0 and work for your fun...

The Djego
Minmatar
Hellequin Inc.
Posted - 2011.03.15 11:56:00 - [42]
 

Originally by: Pinky Denmark
...come to 0.0 and work for your fun...


If you now replace "0.0" with "low sec", I could agree with you.



Maz3r Rakum
Gallente
The Imperial Fedaykin
Posted - 2011.03.15 15:25:00 - [43]
 

Great idea. If you can't loose sec status in 0.0 why should you gain it. YARRRR!!

Pinky Denmark
The Cursed Navy
Important Internet Spaceship League
Posted - 2011.03.15 15:28:00 - [44]
 

I do agree people in hi-sec should have stronger incentives to go to lowsec - but low sec pirates should be challenged too... Like having sentry guns damage multiplier be multiplied by the amount of people engaging in criminal activities hehe... And not being able to dock with GCC :p

Enjoy being a pirate... Shouldn't be as comfotable as it is

Bagehi
Association of Commonwealth Enterprises
Posted - 2011.03.15 15:59:00 - [45]
 

Edited by: Bagehi on 15/03/2011 16:10:40
Originally by: Dibsi Dei
Originally by: Bagehi
No one is pure 0.0 PVP anymore with Tech moons in low sec. You will end up with piles of cap pilots needing sec, which means you'll end up with systems populated by a bunch of caps and super caps grinding standings back up after a weekend of unpleasant POS bashes.


why do capital pilots need standings

Because no one does only one thing in Eve. Super cap pilots are a bit different, but even they need to get out of ships from time to time for implants. The characters who stay out of high sec are almost exclusively the low sec pirates who wear their -10s like badges of honor. Everyone else needs to be able to get into high sec from time to time, requiring sec status.

Originally by: Mashie Saldana
Originally by: Bossy Lady
Sounds pretty good to me. How soon could we make this start happening?

ASAP would be fine for me. ugh

You know the null sec cyno systems in low sec. They are pretty obvious to anyone as they are highlighted on the map when you select "recent cynos" and you never attack. You know where we are now, don't act like the only reason you don't attack is because we're hiding 20 jumps away. We're in your space already. Multiply that several times and you will have the situation you will be facing if this change goes through.

MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.03.15 16:29:00 - [46]
 

Originally by: Sofaking Weetawded
Not supported at all.

What a ridiculous case of self-interest. "CCP, bring me more targets to play with, please!"

It is bad enough that the 0.0 alliance leaders' main interest is forcing more people into their arena, now the lowsec pirates are at it, too?

Oh wait...did I just fall for a troll? Oh well.
The targets he's asking CCP bring him are the scum that already belong there in the first place (pirates that watch their sec status like anorexics watch their weight). This idea gets two thumbs up.

I'm pleasantly surprised this idea is coming from a pirate Shocked.


Bagehi
Association of Commonwealth Enterprises
Posted - 2011.03.15 17:21:00 - [47]
 

Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Originally by: Sofaking Weetawded
Not supported at all.

What a ridiculous case of self-interest. "CCP, bring me more targets to play with, please!"

It is bad enough that the 0.0 alliance leaders' main interest is forcing more people into their arena, now the lowsec pirates are at it, too?

Oh wait...did I just fall for a troll? Oh well.
The targets he's asking CCP bring him are the scum that already belong there in the first place (pirates that watch their sec status like anorexics watch their weight). This idea gets two thumbs up.

I'm pleasantly surprised this idea is coming from a pirate Shocked.




VETO are low sec pirates. Not high sec war deccers, or suicide gankers. They definitely do not watch their sec status other than to say collectively "we have -10 sec status" so I think you're thinking of a different group of people. Incidentally, neither would get dragged to low sec from this change. Suicide gankers are train, gank, dispose characters more often than not. High sec war deccers don't lose sec status because they use war dec mechanics. The characters this targets are almost exclusively null seccers who kill stuff in low sec occasionally. This is generally in the form of POS bashes, but occasionally targets on the low sec side of null sec entry points.

MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.03.15 20:45:00 - [48]
 

Originally by: Bagehi
VETO are low sec pirates. Not high sec war deccers, or suicide gankers. They definitely do not watch their sec status other than to say collectively "we have -10 sec status" so I think you're thinking of a different group of people. Incidentally, neither would get dragged to low sec from this change. Suicide gankers are train, gank, dispose characters more often than not. High sec war deccers don't lose sec status because they use war dec mechanics. The characters this targets are almost exclusively null seccers who kill stuff in low sec occasionally. This is generally in the form of POS bashes, but occasionally targets on the low sec side of null sec entry points.

You misunderstood my post. I never implied Veto watches its sec status. I know they don't and don't care for it. However, the pirates that DO watch their sec status would be forced to lo sec to get it fixed, and thus, it would theoretically translate to more targets for Veto and company. I think that's what the OP is referring to. And that I'm more than OK with.


ezthumper
Posted - 2011.03.15 21:08:00 - [49]
 

Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Originally by: Bagehi
However, the pirates that DO watch their sec status would be forced to lo sec to get it fixed, and thus, it would theoretically translate to more targets for Veto and company. I think that's what the OP is referring to. And that I'm more than OK with.


Wait, are you saying they want to pass something to force targets to them?

HAHAHA, fantastic.

No, get off your lazy ****s.

Don Pellegrino
Pod Liberation Authority
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2011.03.16 03:59:00 - [50]
 

Excellent idea.

Mashie Saldana
Minmatar
Veto Corp
Posted - 2011.03.17 00:58:00 - [51]
 

Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
You misunderstood my post. I never implied Veto watches its sec status. I know they don't and don't care for it. However, the pirates that DO watch their sec status would be forced to lo sec to get it fixed, and thus, it would theoretically translate to more targets for Veto and company. I think that's what the OP is referring to. And that I'm more than OK with.



And that would be spot on, innocent people aren't going to have their sec status go down in the first place.

Johnny Lou
Posted - 2011.03.18 19:17:00 - [52]
 

sounds good Smile

Bagehi
Association of Commonwealth Enterprises
Posted - 2011.03.18 19:24:00 - [53]
 

Originally by: Mashie Saldana
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
You misunderstood my post. I never implied Veto watches its sec status. I know they don't and don't care for it. However, the pirates that DO watch their sec status would be forced to lo sec to get it fixed, and thus, it would theoretically translate to more targets for Veto and company. I think that's what the OP is referring to. And that I'm more than OK with.



And that would be spot on, innocent people aren't going to have their sec status go down in the first place.


That is true. However, my point still remains that low sec will become more infested with null sec power blocks and that will lead to a rise in hot drops and large fleet warfare in low sec. I don't think that would be a good thing.

Baaldor
Black Sail Anarchists
Yarr Collective
Posted - 2011.03.18 20:28:00 - [54]
 

Originally by: Bagehi
Originally by: Mashie Saldana
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
You misunderstood my post. I never implied Veto watches its sec status. I know they don't and don't care for it. However, the pirates that DO watch their sec status would be forced to lo sec to get it fixed, and thus, it would theoretically translate to more targets for Veto and company. I think that's what the OP is referring to. And that I'm more than OK with.



And that would be spot on, innocent people aren't going to have their sec status go down in the first place.


That is true. However, my point still remains that low sec will become more infested with null sec power blocks and that will lead to a rise in hot drops and large fleet warfare in low sec. I don't think that would be a good thing.



Hey, targets are targets.

Let them role with it. It might turn out to be a lot of fun.


Ophelia Ursus
Posted - 2011.03.18 21:40:00 - [55]
 

Originally by: Bagehi

You know the null sec cyno systems in low sec. They are pretty obvious to anyone as they are highlighted on the map when you select "recent cynos" and you never attack. You know where we are now, don't act like the only reason you don't attack is because we're hiding 20 jumps away. We're in your space already. Multiply that several times and you will have the situation you will be facing if this change goes through.


Just FYI, you're in R.A.G.E.

Ain't no one scared of you, bub.

Alias 6322A
Posted - 2011.03.19 22:02:00 - [56]
 

This idea has some merit...

Lowsec population would definitely spike if it was the only place to gain security status (or it and hisec). Nullsec shouldn't give sec status since it is...well...0 security. I wouldn't screw with bounties though...the lower you go the higher the pay is fine.

Pirates would certainly see more prey (which is always good imo) there and it'd probably boost PvP in lowsec as well. I don't mind Incursions increasing sec status since in low/null there can be competition for them. More Incursions in low (with higher sec gains) would increase traffic too.

+1, research a little more but it has merit. The main thing to remember is this only slows down gankers (real pirates have better things to do...) but doesn't seriously deter it. It does however place a time value on whether or not to gank.

Laechyd Eldgorn
Caldari
draketrain
Posted - 2011.03.20 10:09:00 - [57]
 

Originally by: Pinky Denmark
I do agree people in hi-sec should have stronger incentives to go to lowsec - but low sec pirates should be challenged too... Like having sentry guns damage multiplier be multiplied by the amount of people engaging in criminal activities hehe... And not being able to dock with GCC :p

Enjoy being a pirate... Shouldn't be as comfotable as it is


Being flashy is not comfortable in long term. People get big advantage being able to aggress you anywhere without being fired by sentries themselves, i.e. they can just aggress you with rifters at the gate. This docking you're talking about is somewhat meaningless, there's docking delay for everyone aggressing. If something needs adjustment, it's that one.


Bagehi
Association of Commonwealth Enterprises
Posted - 2011.03.24 00:14:00 - [58]
 

Edited by: Bagehi on 24/03/2011 00:14:12
Originally by: Ophelia Ursus
Originally by: Bagehi

You know the null sec cyno systems in low sec. They are pretty obvious to anyone as they are highlighted on the map when you select "recent cynos" and you never attack. You know where we are now, don't act like the only reason you don't attack is because we're hiding 20 jumps away. We're in your space already. Multiply that several times and you will have the situation you will be facing if this change goes through.


Just FYI, you're in R.A.G.E.

Ain't no one scared of you, bub.


That's a lot of bravado coming from an alt sitting in an NPC corp.

eliminator2
Gallente
Vindicated Blast.

Posted - 2011.03.24 18:06:00 - [59]
 

got my count

The Djego
Minmatar
Hellequin Inc.
Posted - 2011.03.29 10:14:00 - [60]
 

bump


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