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VileRats Tattoo
Posted - 2011.03.01 17:42:00 - [61]
 

You should totally vote for this guy. I'd know!

Karadion
Posted - 2011.03.01 18:06:00 - [62]
 

Originally by: Zati Pasirga
Then quote the part where i wrote that he is not allowed to run as a candidate for CSM please.

@Vile Rat
Do you think your popularity in goonswarm is so low that you fear competing with Kalrand in the goonforum?
Will you tell The Mittani to consider allowing Kalrand to post there about his CSM run or will The Mittani and you continue to behave like Gaddafi and his bootlicker?
You should fight for free speech to show that you are a worthy CSM candidate!
I already answered your question. You're wrong about him not allowed to post on the goonfleet forum. Ask any spy (LOL who needs to spy on Goonfleet anyways?) that have access to the goonfleet boards :)

Zati Pasirga
Posted - 2011.03.01 18:46:00 - [63]
 

Originally by: Karadion
Originally by: Zati Pasirga
Then quote the part where i wrote that he is not allowed to run as a candidate for CSM please.

@Vile Rat
Do you think your popularity in goonswarm is so low that you fear competing with Kalrand in the goonforum?
Will you tell The Mittani to consider allowing Kalrand to post there about his CSM run or will The Mittani and you continue to behave like Gaddafi and his bootlicker?
You should fight for free speech to show that you are a worthy CSM candidate!
I already answered your question. You're wrong about him not allowed to post on the goonfleet forum. Ask any spy (LOL who needs to spy on Goonfleet anyways?) that have access to the goonfleet boards :)


Since you earned yourself a 0/10 for reading comprehension again, i bolded and underlined a few words for you.

Twigand Berries
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.01 20:25:00 - [64]
 

Originally by: VileRats Tattoo
You should totally vote for this guy. I'd know!


What is your position on your positioning on vile rat's arm?

EnderCapitalG
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.01 20:42:00 - [65]
 

Originally by: Zati Pasirga
Originally by: Karadion
Originally by: Zati Pasirga
Then quote the part where i wrote that he is not allowed to run as a candidate for CSM please.

@Vile Rat
Do you think your popularity in goonswarm is so low that you fear competing with Kalrand in the goonforum?
Will you tell The Mittani to consider allowing Kalrand to post there about his CSM run or will The Mittani and you continue to behave like Gaddafi and his bootlicker?
You should fight for free speech to show that you are a worthy CSM candidate!
I already answered your question. You're wrong about him not allowed to post on the goonfleet forum. Ask any spy (LOL who needs to spy on Goonfleet anyways?) that have access to the goonfleet boards :)


Since you earned yourself a 0/10 for reading comprehension again, i bolded and underlined a few words for you.


Who says he can't post about his CSM run?

Zati Pasirga
Posted - 2011.03.01 21:12:00 - [66]
 

Originally by: EnderCapitalG
Originally by: Zati Pasirga
Originally by: Karadion
Originally by: Zati Pasirga
Then quote the part where i wrote that he is not allowed to run as a candidate for CSM please.

@Vile Rat
Do you think your popularity in goonswarm is so low that you fear competing with Kalrand in the goonforum?
Will you tell The Mittani to consider allowing Kalrand to post there about his CSM run or will The Mittani and you continue to behave like Gaddafi and his bootlicker?
You should fight for free speech to show that you are a worthy CSM candidate!
I already answered your question. You're wrong about him not allowed to post on the goonfleet forum. Ask any spy (LOL who needs to spy on Goonfleet anyways?) that have access to the goonfleet boards :)


Since you earned yourself a 0/10 for reading comprehension again, i bolded and underlined a few words for you.


Who says he can't post about his CSM run?


The Mittani will kick Kalrand out of Goonswarm if he tells people to vote for him. Thats why The Mittani cancelled the tradition of goon primary elections to make sure that only he and his puppet Vile Rat get the vote and thats why Kalrand is only allowed to tell people to NOT vote for him on the goonforum. The Mittani and his puppet Vile Rat hate free speech and democratic competition. They dont hesitate to destroy everything what goons and SA stand for, just to get their little ego boost for beeing in CSM.

Doggsbody
Lame Duck Logistics
Posted - 2011.03.01 21:33:00 - [67]
 

Originally by: Zati Pasirga

The Mittani will kick Kalrand out of Goonswarm if he tells people to vote for him. Thats why The Mittani cancelled the tradition of goon primary elections to make sure that only he and his puppet Vile Rat get the vote and thats why Kalrand is only allowed to tell people to NOT vote for him on the goonforum. The Mittani and his puppet Vile Rat hate free speech and democratic competition. They dont hesitate to destroy everything what goons and SA stand for, just to get their little ego boost for beeing in CSM.


TBH anyone who believed the crap Mitanni was spouting about "straight talking" and "champion of the people" was thick as pig poo, but if this is true it really is pathetic, Mittens.


Karadion
Posted - 2011.03.01 21:38:00 - [68]
 

Edited by: Karadion on 01/03/2011 21:40:02
Originally by: Zati Pasirga
Originally by: Karadion
Originally by: Zati Pasirga
Then quote the part where i wrote that he is not allowed to run as a candidate for CSM please.

@Vile Rat
Do you think your popularity in goonswarm is so low that you fear competing with Kalrand in the goonforum?
Will you tell The Mittani to consider allowing Kalrand to post there about his CSM run or will The Mittani and you continue to behave like Gaddafi and his bootlicker?
You should fight for free speech to show that you are a worthy CSM candidate!
I already answered your question. You're wrong about him not allowed to post on the goonfleet forum. Ask any spy (LOL who needs to spy on Goonfleet anyways?) that have access to the goonfleet boards :)


Since you earned yourself a 0/10 for reading comprehension again, i bolded and underlined a few words for you.
You have (read my lips) ZERO EVIDENCE that he is not allowed to post there about his CSM run. Of course we're having a laugh at your frustrated anger that is directed at Goonfleet's communist dictatorship.

Doggsbody
Lame Duck Logistics
Posted - 2011.03.01 21:45:00 - [69]
 

Originally by: Karadion
Edited by: Karadion on 01/03/2011 21:40:02
Originally by: Zati Pasirga
Originally by: Karadion
Originally by: Zati Pasirga
Then quote the part where i wrote that he is not allowed to run as a candidate for CSM please.

@Vile Rat
Do you think your popularity in goonswarm is so low that you fear competing with Kalrand in the goonforum?
Will you tell The Mittani to consider allowing Kalrand to post there about his CSM run or will The Mittani and you continue to behave like Gaddafi and his bootlicker?
You should fight for free speech to show that you are a worthy CSM candidate!
I already answered your question. You're wrong about him not allowed to post on the goonfleet forum. Ask any spy (LOL who needs to spy on Goonfleet anyways?) that have access to the goonfleet boards :)


Since you earned yourself a 0/10 for reading comprehension again, i bolded and underlined a few words for you.
You have (read my lips) ZERO EVIDENCE that he is not allowed to post there about his CSM run. Of course we're having a laugh at your frustrated anger that is directed at Goonfleet's communist dictatorship.


Well, we do have your frothy-mouthed goon ragepost, which is starting to convince me...

Karadion
Posted - 2011.03.01 22:10:00 - [70]
 

Originally by: Doggsbody
Well, we do have your frothy-mouthed goon ragepost, which is starting to convince me...

Now now I'm deaf however I do talk. So at times I do have saliva in my throat or the back of my mouth which I need to clear out so people can understand me when I talk but frothy? Never had that problem. In fact people who have that issue do annoy the heck out of me when I have to read their lips to understand them.

General Windypops
The Littlest Hobos
En Garde
Posted - 2011.03.01 22:19:00 - [71]
 

Originally by: Karadion
Originally by: Doggsbody
Well, we do have your frothy-mouthed goon ragepost, which is starting to convince me...

Now now I'm deaf however I do talk. So at times I do have saliva in my throat or the back of my mouth which I need to clear out so people can understand me when I talk but frothy? Never had that problem. In fact people who have that issue do annoy the heck out of me when I have to read their lips to understand them.


Perhaps he was mistaken, and you have sand on your lips?



Karadion
Posted - 2011.03.01 22:24:00 - [72]
 

Originally by: General Windypops
Originally by: Karadion
Originally by: Doggsbody
Well, we do have your frothy-mouthed goon ragepost, which is starting to convince me...

Now now I'm deaf however I do talk. So at times I do have saliva in my throat or the back of my mouth which I need to clear out so people can understand me when I talk but frothy? Never had that problem. In fact people who have that issue do annoy the heck out of me when I have to read their lips to understand them.


Perhaps he was mistaken, and you have sand on your lips?

Chapstick actually.

Two Shots
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.01 22:35:00 - [73]
 

Originally by: Zati Pasirga

The Mittani will kick Kalrand out of Goonswarm if he tells people to vote for him. Thats why The Mittani cancelled the tradition of goon primary elections to make sure that only he and his puppet Vile Rat get the vote and thats why Kalrand is only allowed to tell people to NOT vote for him on the goonforum. The Mittani and his puppet Vile Rat hate free speech and democratic competition. They dont hesitate to destroy everything what goons and SA stand for, just to get their little ego boost for beeing in CSM.


You really think that a guy who's a member of the Something Awful forum community is going to kick another guy who is also a member of the Something Awful forum community out of his Internet space guild because of a post on the forums? Really? I could understand if you were thinking of someone who's a bad poster like myself, but either you think that Kalrand is also a bad poster or you have no idea how goon culture works.

Twigand Berries
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.01 22:39:00 - [74]
 

I am actively pursuing goon votes and have received no threats from the directorate. I know where they live, you see.

Lutineven
Posted - 2011.03.01 23:52:00 - [75]
 

Originally by: 4C 4F 5645
Edited by: 4C 4F 5645 on 27/02/2011 02:21:55
Originally by: Doggsbody
Even worse that they're now manipulating the playerbase into voting them in to positions where they can control CCP policy to suit their own self-preservation.



Nah, they won't control CCP policy, even they are not naive enough to think CCP are blind to their manipulation and would listen to a one-sided CSM.
They panicked because CSM5 managed to get CCP to pay attention and they just want to undo that work and sink CSM back into the irrelevancy of previous years so it can be ignored again.


Your stupidity knows no limit. My guess is that you never left Jita.

Goddess Ishtar
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.02 01:53:00 - [76]
 

Originally by: Two Shots
You really think that a guy who's a member of the Something Awful forum community is going to kick another guy who is also a member of the Something Awful forum community out of his Internet space guild because of a post on the forums?


Bad posting should be rooted out and destroyed wherever and whenever it is found.

SavageBastard
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.02 04:12:00 - [77]
 

Originally by: Zati Pasirga

Will you tell The Mittani to consider allowing Kalrand to post there about his CSM run or will The Mittani and you continue to behave like Gaddafi and his bootlicker?
You should fight for free speech to show that you are a worthy CSM candidate!



It's official. The Jasmine Revolution is the new WWII!

Swynet
State War Academy
Posted - 2011.03.02 04:14:00 - [78]
 

Originally by: Disgruntled Flying Monkey
... lucky for players CCP doesnt listen to CSM and accept that you WILL GET your jump bridges removed!


Laughing

"DIS"

Vile rat
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.02 17:21:00 - [79]
 

Originally by: Twigand Berries
I am actively pursuing goon votes and have received no threats from the directorate. I know where they live, you see.


We saw what you did to boat.



And the flask.

Dro Nee
Posted - 2011.03.02 17:40:00 - [80]
 

Originally by: Vile rat
So what's wrong?

A great many things. From ship balance in the form of whole classes of ships becoming obsolete to the lack of economic scarcity making losses matter little to all involved. There are a distinct lack of goals once you take those first feeble steps into the unprotected space of lowsec/0.0 and this makes gameplay stangnant and pointless.


Would you explain the metrics you employed in arriving at the conclusions you have re: what is wrong? For example, what metric do you use to conclude that a lack of CCP assigned goals is a problem? How would you know when the problem was fixed? Feel free to use a different example from your list in post [2] if you wish.

Cheers

OhThis GuyAgain
Posted - 2011.03.02 21:13:00 - [81]
 

Originally by: Dro Nee
Feel free to use a different example from your list in post [2] if you wish.


Please use full sentences, double-space your work, and cite your sources.

Dro Nee
Posted - 2011.03.02 21:19:00 - [82]
 

Originally by: OhThis GuyAgain
Please use full sentences, double-space your work, and cite your sources.


Also: 12pt Times New Roman font with 1" margins.
Is it that obvious?
I really have to stop posting from work.Laughing

Vile rat
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.03 14:36:00 - [83]
 

Originally by: Dro Nee
Originally by: Vile rat
So what's wrong?

A great many things. From ship balance in the form of whole classes of ships becoming obsolete to the lack of economic scarcity making losses matter little to all involved. There are a distinct lack of goals once you take those first feeble steps into the unprotected space of lowsec/0.0 and this makes gameplay stangnant and pointless.


Would you explain the metrics you employed in arriving at the conclusions you have re: what is wrong? For example, what metric do you use to conclude that a lack of CCP assigned goals is a problem? How would you know when the problem was fixed? Feel free to use a different example from your list in post [2] if you wish.

Cheers


First off thanks for the question.

1. For example, what metric do you use to conclude that a lack of CCP assigned goals is a problem?

A. For an action to be fun there has to be a point. You go to 0.0 to get access to the best minerals (heh) the best ratting, the ability to build or conquer outposts so you can have a little piece of eve with your name on it. There's a reason to go there and engage in combat that somebody, somewhere, wants to fight you to have. This creates conflict which is the lifes blood of the game. You can't say the same about lowsec however. You can't take outposts, the ratting is ****ty, and if you were inclined to mine you'd be wasting your time trying to mine there. Lowsec ends up being a place to go if you aren't big enough to take space and you don't want to be somebody's vassal or if you have no interest in the goals 0.0 provide and want to hopefully find something to fight. There are no goals however, there's no point. This needs to be fixed for both lowsec, and for nullsec as well as if you aren't a large power bloc you don't have access to the majority of the goals that 0.0 provides.

2. How would you know when the problem was fixed?

A. When there is a point. When people want to go to lowsec/nullsec and have achievable goals that can't just be one upped by a much bigger force of people stomping them down. No I'm not saying small groups should be able to beat large groups in fleet fight, I'm saying there needs to be goals where having a large group provides you no great advantage over a talented small group. That element of the game needs a lot of attention.

Tango Zulu
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.04 00:17:00 - [84]
 

Edited by: Tango Zulu on 04/03/2011 01:13:41
Originally by: Disgruntled Flying Monkey

The whole purpose of removing Jump Bridges was so conflicts could arise locally and it would be difficult for a few active directors in a powerbloc to hold so much space, thats why your leaders and every other NC leader is angry at the suggested change because in effect it makes NAPs pointless due to travelling and maintenance of space without ease.



You speak as someone who has never experienced deep 0.0 travel. I trust based on your statements and corporation this is your main. If you get a moment, then please do this:

-Acquire a digital map of the eve universe without a sovereignty overlay, but with security statuses.
-open it in a simple imaging program. (If you're using a Microsoft Windows operating system, open your start menu and type "paint" into the search bar. Select the only option you should get, and when it opens, click "file," then "open." Find the file and double click it to open.)
-Using a pen(or brush) tool, draw a line around the first 5 systems in any direction outward from the center that show, after their name, the number *0.0*.
-Then, again with the same tool, pick your color of choice, and randomly click that area outside the amoebic-shaped ring you just drew, for about 3-7 seconds depending on how far into the future you're looking.

This exercise will have showed you what the sovereignty map will look like, if your concept of logistical nerfs were to see fruition.

Let's be honest, you'll go 40 jumps to ruin the day of someone who claimed sovereignty in your sector of the universe, but you won't go 40 jumps to source the minerals or modules for/of the 1600mm Artillery IIs you need to do it. This is because larger scale logistics are required for larger scale corporations and alliances.

What you think your proposing is a dissolution of blocs, what you're actually seeking is the dissolution of alliances in general. So long as there are people, where there are enemies, there will be enemies of those enemies, and they may as well be friends. Corporations bond together to form alliances, alliances form blocs. Corporations will still form blocs if there's no alliance mechanic, based on mutual interests, and agreement on what alcohol tastes best on Tuesdays.

Sovereignty will be held by the most powerful blocs still, and will only be however far people feel like reaching to live. And those people will control the trade routes to the outer areas, denying access to the smaller entities anyways.

And when people try to etch their name in space, they'll get it, but for the 4 days it'll take to take the system from them. Because even if no one wants to run from Period Basis in a Mammoth to get the Hydrogen Isotopes their jump freighter didn't bring enough of, You could hide in Jove space for all anyone cares:

Someone will still find a way to get there just to f*** your day up.

Edit: I'm leaving this up for truth, but I apologize for not noticing Disgruntled Flying Monkey's posts were obvious trolls. It took how blatantly off they were in TheMittani's thread for me to notice.

Skunk Gracklaw
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.04 01:22:00 - [85]
 

Originally by: Tango Zulu
You speak as someone who has never experienced deep 0.0 travel. I trust based on your statements and corporation this is your main. If you get a moment, then please do this:


You're trying to use logic against Bismaru/Kalle Deimos and his sock puppet army. It's really not worth the effort.

Awesome Possum
Original Sin.
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
Posted - 2011.03.04 02:20:00 - [86]
 

I'm willing to vote for Vile Rat, but there's a 300 mill isk pre-vote security deposit, he'll get it back right after the election.

Please send 300mill per vote (up to 5) to this character, thanks.

Headerman
Minmatar
Quovis
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
Posted - 2011.03.04 03:00:00 - [87]
 

o/ Vile, best of luck, i hope you get in :D

I would like to say a few things if i could. I have not been playing Eve for long, but i have been closely following it since late 2003.

IMO, traditionally there had been three and a half aspects to Eve in terms of flying: high sec (natural newby space), low sec (fun shenannigans with others), nul sec (serious player alliance foundations), and war decs (a way to mix all three up).

Traditionally Nul sec space has been nearly 'off limits' to new people in a large group due to easy gankability, and that is fine. Lately though, Dreddit came along and with an upside down map, they ended up in Goon space with a new alliance BUILT for newbies (TEST).

personally, having tried low sec and nul sec space several times previously, it ended very badly with much isk burnt and a feeling of 'well bugger this for a joke'. TEST though is another story. Newbies can come in and be surrounded by fellow alliance members and feel safe in a stable environment. Bittervets oversee things in the alliance and from other alliances, helping the newbro's along.

I think this combination of new people being adopted by vets is one of the best things ever in EVE. Newbies can learn quickly about isk making and PVP better than in any area of high sec.

I for one would enthusiastcly support anyone on the CSM if they researched other ways to promote this team work and promoted it to CCP in ways to make it easier to happen.

I think it has happened in the north ALOT because a) the ratting is good b) Tech moons c) not near amarr space (i think noobs may be KOS more with Amarr than other factions).

In the south i would support better ratting proposals to not only invite established alliances to help newbies in to their space, but also remove the NEED to have bots.

lastly, i will add my voice to ANYONE who promote fixing the Hel's bonuses. At present, it is ****. Please get it fixed to be as effective as an Aeon/Nyx. And fix the Niddy to plz.

A vote for Vile Rat is not a vote for Goons, it is a vote for an effective voice to the people who run EVE.

Vile rat
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.04 13:54:00 - [88]
 

Originally by: Headerman
o/ Vile, best of luck, i hope you get in :D

I would like to say a few things if i could. I have not been playing Eve for long, but i have been closely following it since late 2003.

IMO, traditionally there had been three and a half aspects to Eve in terms of flying: high sec (natural newby space), low sec (fun shenannigans with others), nul sec (serious player alliance foundations), and war decs (a way to mix all three up).

Traditionally Nul sec space has been nearly 'off limits' to new people in a large group due to easy gankability, and that is fine. Lately though, Dreddit came along and with an upside down map, they ended up in Goon space with a new alliance BUILT for newbies (TEST).

personally, having tried low sec and nul sec space several times previously, it ended very badly with much isk burnt and a feeling of 'well bugger this for a joke'. TEST though is another story. Newbies can come in and be surrounded by fellow alliance members and feel safe in a stable environment. Bittervets oversee things in the alliance and from other alliances, helping the newbro's along.

I think this combination of new people being adopted by vets is one of the best things ever in EVE. Newbies can learn quickly about isk making and PVP better than in any area of high sec.

I for one would enthusiastcly support anyone on the CSM if they researched other ways to promote this team work and promoted it to CCP in ways to make it easier to happen.

I think it has happened in the north ALOT because a) the ratting is good b) Tech moons c) not near amarr space (i think noobs may be KOS more with Amarr than other factions).

In the south i would support better ratting proposals to not only invite established alliances to help newbies in to their space, but also remove the NEED to have bots.

lastly, i will add my voice to ANYONE who promote fixing the Hel's bonuses. At present, it is ****. Please get it fixed to be as effective as an Aeon/Nyx. And fix the Niddy to plz.

A vote for Vile Rat is not a vote for Goons, it is a vote for an effective voice to the people who run EVE.



...but every hel just extends my buffer tank!

Vile Rat's Tattoo
Posted - 2011.03.04 17:13:00 - [89]
 

Have you seen me? If you did, you'd vote for the guy who I'm stuck with (and who's stuck with me).

Dro Nee
Posted - 2011.03.04 17:54:00 - [90]
 

Edited by: Dro Nee on 04/03/2011 17:54:58
Originally by: Vile rat
First off thanks for the question.

1. For example, what metric do you use to conclude that a lack of CCP assigned goals is a problem?

A. For an action to be fun there has to be a point. You go to 0.0 to get access to the best minerals (heh) the best ratting, the ability to build or conquer outposts so you can have a little piece of eve with your name on it. There's a reason to go there and engage in combat that somebody, somewhere, wants to fight you to have. This creates conflict which is the lifes blood of the game. You can't say the same about lowsec however. You can't take outposts, the ratting is ****ty, and if you were inclined to mine you'd be wasting your time trying to mine there. Lowsec ends up being a place to go if you aren't big enough to take space and you don't want to be somebody's vassal or if you have no interest in the goals 0.0 provide and want to hopefully find something to fight. There are no goals however, there's no point. This needs to be fixed for both lowsec, and for nullsec as well as if you aren't a large power bloc you don't have access to the majority of the goals that 0.0 provides.

2. How would you know when the problem was fixed?

A. When there is a point. When people want to go to lowsec/nullsec and have achievable goals that can't just be one upped by a much bigger force of people stomping them down. No I'm not saying small groups should be able to beat large groups in fleet fight, I'm saying there needs to be goals where having a large group provides you no great advantage over a talented small group. That element of the game needs a lot of attention.


Thanks for taking the time to respond. Could you clarify your points for me a little?

0.0:
So may I infer that, in your opinion, its not really a lack of goals but the lack of ability to attain those goals for some groups? You seemed to articulate the goals (better rats,mining, ownership)initially, but perhaps I misunderstood.

Low:
Again you seemed to articulate some goals (pew pew without the "hassles" of 0.0) but then claim that there is no point. Is your argument, or what i interpreted in the 0.0 section, that the goals are too hard to achieve?



Also could you clarify your metric a little further? You mention that you know these problems are "fixed" when 1)there is a point/when people go to low/null and 2) those goals are achievable by small groups.

It seems that people already go to those areas and have goals for doing so, is your concern in 1) that there are insufficient people doing so? If so, then what would be the numbers you think are necessary?

Cheers!


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