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Swynet
State War Academy
Posted - 2011.03.02 04:10:00 - [211]
 

Originally by: digi
You deserve a great game.
You deserve a real wage, not slavery.
You need someone to stand up for you and fight for what is right.
You need a Mitten that will unite this previously paralyzed circle of incompetents known as the CSM. The CSM can be strong with the right direction but all previous actions are for naught.


You dumbs Laughing

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I have analyzed the results of those attempts, I have seen what the previous councils have done for you. They have done nothing but appease your smallish immediate desires.

If you want real change, you will elect someone strong, someone honest, someone who will not turn his back at Ford's Theater to receive a bullet to the head, but rather meet your adversaries head on with guns blazing while riding a bear made of spite and steel.


heu, we're not voting for the nex WUPHS (World United Presidence and Humanity Slavery) are we? -we had enough with the last economic trash/crash s'hitscum are capable of, thx.

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You need this.


NO we don't, just you.

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Put aside your trolling, put aside your anger, and channel true change for the game we all love, this cottonpicking Eve Online.


Are you trollin??

Manfred Sideous
Body Count Inc.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2011.03.02 04:50:00 - [212]
 

Dearest Mittens;


If I weren't voting for Seleene I would vote for you are Vile.



CLUE IN BONUS SECTION



Here is why you want Mittens on the CSM:


Marshall Mittens is what CCP fears as a CSM delegate. I have 0 doubt in my mind that Mittens will POAST alot. The thing is when Mittens poast people pay attention matter of fact he draws alot of attention. This fine neckbeard will have people F5ing articles forums and blogs like crazy as he exposes the hypocrisy that is CCP. CCP doesn't like bad press and there is nothing more Mittens enjoys than taking peoples dirty laundry showing it to everyone and then funning up with good gimmicks and tildes to humiliate his subject. You can guarentee CCP doesn't want this. Im pretty sure they will tread carefully with Mittens and be willing to "work" with him.

SpotlessBlade
Trust Doesn't Rust
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2011.03.02 04:51:00 - [213]
 

WAIT. Hey Mittens send me 500 million isk and I can get you into the CSM! Very Happy

Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.02 06:10:00 - [214]
 

goons who do not vote properly will be purged

we're requiring a video of each pilot voting for our candidates (unedited, of course), or they are expelled from the corporation

Swynet
State War Academy
Posted - 2011.03.02 06:10:00 - [215]
 

Originally by: Manfred Sideous
CCP doesn't like bad press...


IF:

This sigle point was true, then I'd vote for this person.

But:

Has you already know, but not the whole Mittens, it's not the truth Wink

Dro Nee
Posted - 2011.03.02 06:44:00 - [216]
 

Originally by: The Mittani
[The purpose of my candidacy is to attempt to fix the CSM itself by trying to solve the CCP/CSM communication problems, either through chutzpah or bastardry, I'm not sure which.


Would you articulate what you see are the specific CCP/CSM communication problems that need to be solved? Also, using specific examples, address both 1)the times when previous CSM's squandered thier opportunity to solve these problems in the past and 2)a couple of different ways you would have handled the situation/s?

Cheers

Swynet
State War Academy
Posted - 2011.03.02 07:38:00 - [217]
 

Originally by: Dro Nee
Would you articulate what you see are the specific CCP/CSM communication problems that need to be solved?


Seems obvious to everyone having 2 eyes and being able to read a minimum in english that comunication problems exist seriously, take example on some threads existing since 2years now without any answer from CCP.
Resulting from the same threads 2 different members of CSM incapable to present something serious to CCP like:

Member one: "ho about this stuff, seems doesn't works"
Member two: "yes it does, I mean it seems it does"
CCP: "ok, so everything's fine. What's next about jump bridges?"

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Also, using specific examples, address both 1)the times when previous CSM's squandered thier opportunity to solve these problems in the past and 2)a couple of different ways you would have handled the situation/s?

Cheers



Certainly another candidate's alt and a raging one.
I could ask you the same thing on the other sense even if I have nothing to win with, could you seriously do it?- I don't think so or you're realy fool.


Skunk Gracklaw
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.02 09:58:00 - [218]
 

Originally by: Dro Nee
the times when previous CSM's squandered thier opportunity to solve these problems in the past

How about when a CCP developer brings up the craptastic idea of removing jump bridges and not a single person on the CSM says anything about it? The whole idea of the CSM as a stakeholder is a sham but the CSM can be used to provide feedback on what the devs are thinking about the direction of their game. If nobody tells them how stupid their ideas are they might just implement them.

Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
Posted - 2011.03.02 12:11:00 - [219]
 

Edited by: Tres Farmer on 02/03/2011 12:14:50
Interesting campaign.
I'm intrigued by the reasoning to do 'good for all' by getting some teeth onto the CSM (technical teeth in regards to haggling with CCP).

The only question I got for The Mittani is this: What do you do if you find that the problem lies within CCP itself(*).. it's internal communication and organisational structure?
What are you gonna do?


*) My thoughts here run along the lines of: 'No matter what you do or achieve, CCP itself is in trouble'.
I mean, I don't believe you can change the corporate structure of CCP. On the other hand I don't even think you'll be able to get this kind of insight..

Zati Pasirga
Posted - 2011.03.02 16:17:00 - [220]
 

Originally by: Anela Cistine

You realize that our directorate doesn't force us to vote for anyone in particular, right? ..
..if your username has an odd number you push one button, if your user name has an even number you push the other button.


Originally by: Anela Cistine

We used to run primaries, the problem we had was that sometimes a guy that lost the primary wouldn't drop out. This caused dumb goons to mill about in confusion, and sometimes push the wrong button. This year we are making it as goon-proof as possible, by eliminating the primaries.


So Mittani fears free speech and primary elections on goonfleet.com because he thinks goons are too stupid to vote?
And what is the advantage of having 2 goon candidates that goons dont elected to candidate +some other over 2 goon candidates that goons want to candidate +some other?


@Mittani
I think my questions have been to negative in the past. I respect the fact that you dont want to answer any critical questions and favor questions by bootlicker alts that allow you to describe your greatness.
Lets talk about your achievements instead of asking critical questions.
Could you describe what your achievements are other then destroying the tradition of primary elections for your ego-boost, letting everyone in EVE know that you think goons are too stupid to vote, losing goon systems, and ruining goons ingame in general?


Crias Taylor
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.02 16:40:00 - [221]
 

Halp, I'm being oppressed.

Karadion
Posted - 2011.03.02 16:44:00 - [222]
 

Edited by: Karadion on 02/03/2011 16:58:23
Originally by: Zati Pasirga
GOONS HATES DEMOCRACY! SHAME SHAME SHAME

Who cares but you? The Goonswarm don't give a flip what other people think except goonswarm. If you read https://wiki.goonfleet.com/Rules (BIG HINT HERE, IT'S #1), why would Goonswarm vote for anything that counteracts their best interest? Goonswarm's political structure is this. There are directors, the CEO, fleet commanders etc and everyone follows them. It is essentially a political system which works because no one in goonswarm likes to rock the boat because they like winning fights and making you, Zati, cry because Goonswarm's politcal system does not suit you.

Tell you what, why don't you apply to Goonswarm right now and make it a personal campaign of yours to reform every goon letting them know they have a choice!

Zati Pasirga
Posted - 2011.03.02 16:58:00 - [223]
 

Edited by: Zati Pasirga on 02/03/2011 16:59:08
Originally by: Karadion
Who cares but you?

Goons do. They just dont want to lose their membership. In fact the number of Goons caring is so big that Mr Ego-boost is afraid of free speech on goonfleet.com - not the behavior of a loved dear leader.
Originally by: Karadion
Why would Goonswarm vote for anything that counteracts their best interest?

Thats what primary elections are for, to find out what is Goonswarms best interest.
Originally by: Karadion
Goonswarm's political structure is this.

No, thats the new dear leader structure that Mr Ego-boost just introduced by destroying the primarys. But i dont expect you to know anything about how this was handled in the past, since you are still relative new and only fed by dear leaders views.

Karadion
Posted - 2011.03.02 17:03:00 - [224]
 

Edited by: Karadion on 02/03/2011 17:05:32
Originally by: Zati Pasirga
Originally by: Karadion
Who cares but you?

Goons do. They just dont want to lose their membership.
Originally by: Karadion
Why would Goonswarm vote for anything that counteracts their best interest?

Thats what primary elections are for, to find out what is Goonswarms best interest.
Originally by: Karadion
Goonswarm's political structure is this.

No, thats the new dear leader structure that Mr Ego-boost just introduced by destroying the primarys. But i dont expect you to know anything about how this was handled in the past, since you are still relative new and only fed by dear leaders views.
Prove it that goons care about the CSM election. I dare to you prove it. In fact, there's two threads mocking the CSM election on the goonboard announcing their not-Running for CSM campaign. You're a riot dude.

I want you to apply to Goonswarm immediately and start campaigning that Goons have a choice. Please do apply! I certainly will not sponsor you though.

Edit: I am not new to goonswarm, nice try buddy. If anything, I'm just a regular Joe Blow who will do what Dear Leader wants when I'm playing ingame. Right now, he can go take a hike because I'm at work at the moment.

Zati Pasirga
Posted - 2011.03.02 17:07:00 - [225]
 

Originally by: Zati Pasirga
Edited by: Zati Pasirga on 02/03/2011 16:59:08
Originally by: Karadion
Who cares but you?

Goons do. They just dont want to lose their membership. In fact the number of Goons caring is so big that Mr Ego-boost is afraid of free speech on goonfleet.com - not the behavior of a loved dear leader.
Originally by: Karadion
Why would Goonswarm vote for anything that counteracts their best interest?

Thats what primary elections are for, to find out what is Goonswarms best interest.
Originally by: Karadion
Goonswarm's political structure is this.

No, thats the new dear leader structure that Mr Ego-boost just introduced by destroying the primarys. But i dont expect you to know anything about how this was handled in the past, since you are still relative new and only fed by dear leaders views.


Originally by: Crias Taylor
Halp, I'm being oppressed.

According to your dear leader Mr Ego-boost you are not intelligent enough to vote. Just listen to him when he tells you what buttons to click and you will do fine. It requieres a certain level of intelligence to realize that you are beeing oppressed. According to Mr Mittani most of the goons dont qualify for that level.


Karadion
Posted - 2011.03.02 17:11:00 - [226]
 

Edited by: Karadion on 02/03/2011 17:11:51
Originally by: Zati Pasirga
According to your dear leader Mr Ego-boost you are not intelligent enough to vote. Just listen to him when he tells you what buttons to click and you will do fine. It requieres a certain level of intelligence to realize that you are beeing oppressed. According to Mr Mittani most of the goons dont qualify for that level.
So? Mittani's no different either anyways so I don't see your point. Goonswarm will FOLLOW THE LEADER in a similar fashion that all Scientologist members follow David Miscavige (bad comparsion since one organization actually has decency and the other does not). As I state, it's in their best interest to keep winning, harvesting your pain and frustration. Why? Because it's fun. You're just mad that you're like a two year old not getting his way screaming "THIS IS NOT DEMOCRACY!"

Zati Pasirga
Posted - 2011.03.02 17:27:00 - [227]
 

Originally by: Karadion

I want you to apply to Goonswarm immediately

No thanks. The idea of wearing a sign that im too stupid to find a descent internet-forum that does not cost dollars would embarrass me.
Originally by: Karadion

I am not new to goonswarm, nice try buddy.

I said relative new, not new.
Originally by: Karadion

I'm just a regular Joe Blow who will do what Dear Leader wants when I'm playing ingame.

I will respect that, suum cuique. But you should also respect that other goons dont want to play EVE in braindead-mode.
Originally by: Karadion
because they like winning fights

Do you think that Mr Ego-boost did well with this in the past?
Were Goons more or less powerful when they had primary elections?
Maybe its possible that Goons were winning more fights when there were primary elections?


Hideki Tsutomi
Posted - 2011.03.02 17:29:00 - [228]
 

Posting in a Mittani thread.

Karadion
Posted - 2011.03.02 17:38:00 - [229]
 

Edited by: Karadion on 02/03/2011 17:38:36
Originally by: Zati Pasirga
No thanks. The idea of wearing a sign that im too stupid to find a descent internet-forum that does not cost dollars would embarrass me.
Wow, 10bux for permanent membership unless you are really dumb and get yourself banned in like 2 minutes because you spam "LOL" every thread there is on Something Awful.
Originally by: Zati Pasirga
I said relative new, not new.
Again, I'm neither. You're basing this off my employment history but you're still wrong. Keep flailing.
Originally by: Zati Pasirga
I will respect that, suum cuique. But you should also respect that other goons dont want to play EVE in braindead-mode.
That's why we have squads where people can do whatever they want to do. We don't even have call to arms like alot of alliances do because participation is voluntary and encouraged. Goons have choices? You don't say!
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Do you think that Mr Ego-boost did well with this in the past?
Were Goons more or less powerful when they had primary elections?
Maybe its possible that Goons were winning more fights when there were primary elections?

This isn't Mittani's first time as CEO of Goonswarm. In fact this is his second time leading. Of course you know so little of the history behind Goonswarm, that you're just flailing and trying to impose some control over goonswarm which will not fly.

Two Shots
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.02 17:55:00 - [230]
 

Look at this guy trying to get us to be offended by our own stupidity.

Zati Pasirga
Posted - 2011.03.02 17:59:00 - [231]
 

Originally by: Karadion
10bux for permanent membership

I guess todays generation is happy to pay it, but a lot of people who started using internet 20 years ago would never do it. Its not because the amount of money, its on principle.
Originally by: Karadion
This isn't Mittani's first time as CEO of Goonswarm. In fact this is his second time leading.

Yeah but thats not the question. The question was if you think that goonswarm did well in EVE under the rule of Dear Leader Mr Ego-boost.
Originally by: Karadion
you're just flailing and trying to impose some control over goonswarm which will not fly.

What kind of control? A lot of goons already started asking questions internally, which is all i wanted to achieve.

Karadion
Posted - 2011.03.02 18:13:00 - [232]
 

Originally by: Zati Pasirga
What kind of control? A lot of goons already started asking questions internally, which is all i wanted to achieve.
Yes overthrow the not-Oppressive leader! Viva La Revolución!

Cearain
Caldari
The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
Posted - 2011.03.02 18:30:00 - [233]
 

Originally by: Karadion
Edited by: Karadion on 02/03/2011 17:11:51
Goonswarm will FOLLOW THE LEADER in a similar fashion that all Scientologist members follow David Miscavige


Originally by: Karadion
That's why we have squads where people can do whatever they want to do. We don't even have call to arms like alot of alliances do because participation is voluntary and encouraged. Goons have choices? You don't say!


Do what you want to do, as long as what you want to do is follow the leader.

It’s one thing to follow an fc in a combat situation or a leader on a strategic level. That is agreed. But being told how to vote about the direction of a spaceship game?

I don't think goons are oppressed. No one forces them to do this. It is just amazing to me how many people are so eager to fill that submissive role for some other individual's gain. We shall see how the votes come in.

CCP creates a game where you are immortal and can be whatever you want in this science fiction universe. Result: Thousands of people decide they would like to be storm troopers ruled by a self-described ruthless manipulative metrosexual bastard. Not only in-game but even meta-game.

I can't say I understand it, but it is interesting.

Dramaticus
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.02 19:04:00 - [234]
 

a bunch of like minded individuals follow another like minded individual we are literally all zombies now

Two Shots
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.02 19:04:00 - [235]
 

What gain do you see someone getting out of being in the CSM other than Internet space ship celebrity status?

ACESsiggy
Gallente
Posted - 2011.03.02 19:44:00 - [236]
 

What a tool.Rolling Eyes

The Mittani
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.02 19:53:00 - [237]
 

Originally by: Tres Farmer

Interesting campaign.
I'm intrigued by the reasoning to do 'good for all' by getting some teeth onto the CSM (technical teeth in regards to haggling with CCP).

The only question I got for The Mittani is this: What do you do if you find that the problem lies within CCP itself(*).. it's internal communication and organisational structure?
What are you gonna do?


*) My thoughts here run along the lines of: 'No matter what you do or achieve, CCP itself is in trouble'.
I mean, I don't believe you can change the corporate structure of CCP. On the other hand I don't even think you'll be able to get this kind of insight..



A few pages back I mentioned my concern that the issue might be one of managerial technique, since based on some of what I've heard from past CSMs, CCP doesn't appear to have any real best practices system at the coding level. This might have something to do with the reliance on the flavor of the month scrum/agile setup.

There might also be some issues with institutional memory or lack thereof since the firm has expanded massively in the past two years. People like Oveur and Torfi have been there for ages, but there's a lot of mid-level newdevs who have only been kicking around for a year tops.

This is my most serious concern, that all of this - the backlogs, the bugs, the half-implemented features, the schizophrenic development cycle - is a symptom of a hidden disease. That the reason why the CSMs have only gotten a few peripheral things done is that the underlying causes haven't been identified or dealt with.

In which case it's a 'simple matter' (heavy sarcasm, for those who do not understand scare quotes) of diagnosing the methods by which the dev teams interact and communicate (or don't) best practices and focus attention on that.

General Windypops
The Littlest Hobos
En Garde
Posted - 2011.03.02 20:23:00 - [238]
 

Edited by: General Windypops on 02/03/2011 20:24:20
Originally by: The Mittani
the issue might be.... based on some of what I've heard... doesn't appear to... this might have something to do with ... there might also be some issues in which case...


Have you worked out what this great big 'lie' is that we're supposedly being told yet? Because so far your entire campaign seems to based on raging against some massive elusive problem that you're not able to identify let alone solve. Just look how little clarity there was in your post above. All I can gather is that you're really angry about:

a) the 'System' (you hate systems)
b) Minutes (you hate minutes)
b) Bringing in fresh talent with new skills to CCP (god forbid that recruitment's a good thing)
c) Some as yet undefined 'communication problem' (the precise problem here seems to change a lot)

Oh, and jump bridges. You're very very angry about jump bridges.

If you really are such a fan of honesty, Mittens, then practice what you preacha and admit you're doing this for political purposes.



OhThis GuyAgain
Posted - 2011.03.02 20:50:00 - [239]
 

Originally by: General Windypops
Because so far your entire campaign seems to based on raging against some massive elusive problem that you're not able to identify let alone solve. ...


It is really, really clearly obvious that his problem is that (according to him) the CSM is ineffective and broken because it doesn't have enough power and/or sway over what CCP does with Eve.

I mean, say what you will concerning whether or not he's correct, or comment on whether you believe electing him will solve anything, but you absolutely cannot claim that he's being vague or that he hasn't identified the problem he's rallying against.

Dawn Scott
Posted - 2011.03.02 20:57:00 - [240]
 

I like the sound of that disco hulk, my support goes to you and Kalrand.


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