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Kalrand
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.02.26 19:09:00 - [91]
 

Edited by: Kalrand on 26/02/2011 19:12:40
Originally by: RAW23
Edited by: RAW23 on 26/02/2011 19:00:33
Originally by: Two Shots
Everyone has an agenda. Most people try to hide it, or flower it up with nice words about the importance of the Every Man. If your problem with The Mittani is that he has an agenda, then don't vote for him—or for anyone else in the CSM race. If your problem with The Mittani is that he admits to having an agenda, then help yourself to a sobering dose of reality: everyone has an agenda The Mittani loves you, and has your best interests at heart.


The agenda outlined here is simply to forge the CSM into an effective and unified advocacy group. What is not outlined is exactly what it will advocate for once it is an effective group. Creating something powerful simply for the sake of having something powerful with an ends-blind attitude is the kind of political position that makes me want to run a mile. Creating something powerful with specific objectives in mind is something I could get behind, on the other hand. Now, The Mittani has referred readers to his Ten Ton Hammer articles if they want to know his views, and by implication, the kinds of positions he would likely use the weapon he plans to forge in support of. But this is just hiding these views behind several hundred pages of text. Why not just summarise them here? What, exactly, is the agenda?

Edit - Cute puppy btw.



So what you're saying is he needs an audit?

Edit: seriouspost: Thanks for your support.

The Mittani
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.02.26 19:32:00 - [92]
 

Originally by: RAW23

The agenda outlined here is simply to forge the CSM into an effective and unified advocacy group. What is not outlined is exactly what it will advocate for once it is an effective group. Creating something powerful simply for the sake of having something powerful with an ends-blind attitude is the kind of political position that makes me want to run a mile. Creating something powerful with specific objectives in mind is something I could get behind, on the other hand. Now, The Mittani has referred readers to his Ten Ton Hammer articles if they want to know his views, and by implication, the kinds of positions he would likely use the weapon he plans to forge in support of. But this is just hiding these views behind several hundred pages of text. Why not just summarise them here? What, exactly, is the agenda?

Edit - Cute puppy btw.


my views on the issues of the day aren't particularly unique to me, because i think there is a broad consensus about the problems of this deeply damaged game. one of the biggest issues, i think, is that the csm itself is weak and easily ignored, which is the primary thrust of my argument. before we can fix blasters or change assault frigates or whatever, you need a CSM with teeth.

the single most obvious issue is the feature backlog and the rush to implement shiny new toys when core segments of the game are half implemented or just outright broken. junior accountant role is still broken and it's been weeks since incursions was released. dominion is half-implemented, to everyone's suffering. the techenetium bottleneck was identified by Market Discussions weeks in advance and CCP made a ham-handed dys/prom nerf that ****ed everything up. all of this goes into the category of 'dumb ****'. the 18 months business and 'oh hey we only have 22 devs working on eve itself' dev blog were ****ing scandalous.

i'm anti-bot, yet i understand that the reason bots exist isn't so much rmt (because ccp cracks down on rmt very, very hard) but bad pve which amounts to little more than watching three grey bars turn red. in world of warcraft people bot because they want to rmt, but people actually play the pve because it's fun, not eye-stabbingly boring. ccp presently doesn't enforce anti-botting for **** (though they do anti-rmt) mainly because they realize their pve is godawful. i'd like to see the pve experience made much more fun, so people would actually play (and that thus i could gank an honest ratting raven, rather than have it auto-log when i enter local)

i think supercaps are overpowered (wow, wild and crazy statement) and i've felt that for years. i'd like to see more die. my personal view (which, i think, is irrelevant in the CSM process, and CCP might come up with a better idea) is that a supercap-only point would make these fights much bloodier. the fact that fighter-bombers can kill hics makes them not particularly threatening. the biggest cause of supercap death isn't being tackled in eve 2011, it's having the node die around you.

everyone says 'fix lag'. everyone. even ccp. find me a pro-lag candidate. vOv

anyway that's the poop.

ImmaSplodeYou
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2011.02.26 23:18:00 - [93]
 

Edited by: ImmaSplodeYou on 26/02/2011 23:37:45
Edited by: ImmaSplodeYou on 26/02/2011 23:18:19
I know mittens hates sycophancy so I should try to avoid being a sycophant so I can be sycophantic

Mittani you're a **** but I'm voting for you

How'd I do?


On a more serious note, This CSM campaign is more watertight than the others. The Mittani has been high up in Goonswarm for years and knows alot about running sections, and now all, of an alliance. He also has real world experience of an intellectually demanding job that requires knowing : How to Lie, How to talk, How to convince people his points by using evidence. He also has an adorable puppy, a house he bought WITH CASH, has retired young and so can devote much neckbeard time to Internet Spaceships, looks like 'Dane Cook with down's syndrome', and flies A SABRE. This man is clearly the man for you for the CSM chair.

He also LARPs and stuff

Two Shots
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.02.26 23:29:00 - [94]
 

Originally by: ImmaSplodeYou

On a more serious note, This CSM campaign is more watertight than the others. The Mittani has been high up in Goonswarm for years and knows alot about running sections, and now all, of the alliance. He also has real world experience of an intellectually demanding job that requires knowing : How to Lie, How to talk, How to convince people his points by using evidence. He also has an adorable puppy, a house he bought WITH CASH, has retired young and so can devote much neckbeard time to Internet Spaceships, looks like 'Dane Cook with down's syndrome', and flies A SABRE. This man is clearly the man for you for the CSM chair.

He also LARPs and stuff

He also makes good posts.

Gordon Froman
Posted - 2011.02.26 23:32:00 - [95]
 

You have my vote, can't be any worse than the previous CSMs.

ImmaSplodeYou
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2011.02.26 23:37:00 - [96]
 

Originally by: Two Shots
Originally by: ImmaSplodeYou

On a more serious note, This CSM campaign is more watertight than the others. The Mittani has been high up in Goonswarm for years and knows alot about running sections, and now all, of the alliance. He also has real world experience of an intellectually demanding job that requires knowing : How to Lie, How to talk, How to convince people his points by using evidence. He also has an adorable puppy, a house he bought WITH CASH, has retired young and so can devote much neckbeard time to Internet Spaceships, looks like 'Dane Cook with down's syndrome', and flies A SABRE. This man is clearly the man for you for the CSM chair.

He also LARPs and stuff

He also makes good posts.


Boogaloo
Posted - 2011.02.27 00:22:00 - [97]
 

Wow, you must think the eve playerbase is thick as pigs**t not to notice that the NC have launched a massive campaign to take control of the CSM to influence GM decisions to meet your alliance's priorities.

Just a coincidence that Mittens happens to run at the same time as Goonswarm join the NC? How exactly are the majority of Eve players helped by having one single alliance controlling all of the CSM?

Depressing to see metagaming get this obvious. I'm sure you'll take the more gullible players along with you, as you have a significant player following, and you deserve some of that following. Sad to see Mittens cashing in on his role as a genuinely neutral commentator outside the establishment just to promote his alliance.

Shame on you Mittani.



Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.02.27 00:26:00 - [98]
 

Originally by: Boogaloo
Wow, you must think the eve playerbase is thick as pigs**t not to notice that the NC have launched a massive campaign to take control of the CSM to influence GM decisions to meet your alliance's priorities.

Just a coincidence that Mittens happens to run at the same time as Goonswarm join the NC? How exactly are the majority of Eve players helped by having one single alliance controlling all of the CSM?

Depressing to see metagaming get this obvious. I'm sure you'll take the more gullible players along with you, as you have a significant player following, and you deserve some of that following. Sad to see Mittens cashing in on his role as a genuinely neutral commentator outside the establishment just to promote his alliance.

Shame on you Mittani.

Boogaloo more like BLOOBLOOBLOO

Boogaloo
Posted - 2011.02.27 00:35:00 - [99]
 

Originally by: Scatim Helicon
Originally by: Boogaloo
Wow, you must think the eve playerbase is thick as pigs**t not to notice that the NC have launched a massive campaign to take control of the CSM to influence GM decisions to meet your alliance's priorities.

Just a coincidence that Mittens happens to run at the same time as Goonswarm join the NC? How exactly are the majority of Eve players helped by having one single alliance controlling all of the CSM?

Depressing to see metagaming get this obvious. I'm sure you'll take the more gullible players along with you, as you have a significant player following, and you deserve some of that following. Sad to see Mittens cashing in on his role as a genuinely neutral commentator outside the establishment just to promote his alliance.

Shame on you Mittani.

Boogaloo more like BLOOBLOOBLOO


Ok I guess it's just a coincidence that about 15 members of the NC have all gunned for CSM roles at the same time. It would be great if we vote all of them in.



The Mittani
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.02.27 01:18:00 - [100]
 

Originally by: Boogaloo
Wow, you must think the eve playerbase is thick as pigs**t not to notice that the NC have launched a massive campaign to take control of the CSM to influence GM decisions to meet your alliance's priorities.

Just a coincidence that Mittens happens to run at the same time as Goonswarm join the NC? How exactly are the majority of Eve players helped by having one single alliance controlling all of the CSM?

Depressing to see metagaming get this obvious. I'm sure you'll take the more gullible players along with you, as you have a significant player following, and you deserve some of that following. Sad to see Mittens cashing in on his role as a genuinely neutral commentator outside the establishment just to promote his alliance.

Shame on you Mittani.



you're dumb

the 'nc' has no unique political interests on the csm that would distinguish it from any sovholding alliance in nullsec, with the possible exception of technetium (which anyone with a brain acknowledges should be nerfed). if you want to be yammering about idiotic conspiracy theories, here's one i'll spell out for you:

put me, krutoj, vile rat, seleene and elise randolph (or prom, depending on who the pl bloc votes for): holy crap you have a bunch of old vets who know a thing or two about both eve and the completely idiotic things ccp has done over the past 5+ years as we're all ancient grizzled bittervets, you might actually see a united csm try to get some **** done

in the csm fight you can only vote /for/ a candidate, not against one (since it's not a run-off). it's a fair assessment that krutoj will take the DRF/Rus vote, Seleene will get awagon + nonaligned nullsec, Vile Rat and myself will get Cluster****/GSF votes, and Elise or Prom will get PL + Tri/ncdot/ev0ke/generic nonsov elite pvp. killer2 is the official NC candidate. meissa or trebor will get the hisec bears, possibly roc if his campaign takes off.


Marconus Orion
D00M.
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2011.02.27 01:40:00 - [101]
 

Originally by: The Mittani
you might actually see a united csm try to get some **** done


The current CSM seemed pretty damn united about the removal/nerf of jump bridges. Which shortly after was when you went into a rage and decided that it was time for all the seats to be taken over by sov holding power block members. I posted the quote above you sent out. Do you no longer stand by what you said?

Valthalak
Posted - 2011.02.27 06:55:00 - [102]
 

Edited by: Valthalak on 27/02/2011 07:09:29
Originally by: The Mittani

i'm anti-bot, yet i understand that the reason bots exist isn't so much rmt (because ccp cracks down on rmt very, very hard) but bad pve which amounts to little more than watching three grey bars turn red. in world of warcraft people bot because they want to rmt, but people actually play the pve because it's fun, not eye-stabbingly boring. ccp presently doesn't enforce anti-botting for **** (though they do anti-rmt) mainly because they realize their pve is godawful. i'd like to see the pve experience made much more fun, so people would actually play (and that thus i could gank an honest ratting raven, rather than have it auto-log when i enter local)



... you said WoW... lmao... anyways to prove your idea flawed here, WoW was build around PvE. EVE isn't. The whole idea of pve is to run around in your epic (Officer) gear, study encounters and execute them with precision. Yet we all know that an officer fit Nightmare is 75 billion isk. I mean ye sure, grind a dungeon with your corp for 6 months you might actually get it. but would a normal person who has invested 6 months gearing his nightmare even undock it from the station? You need a safe environment for the pve'ers, they're even worse then carebears.

Is this your vision of eve pve? lol

Don't get me wrong I too agree that pve in eve needs a boost, incursions and all is a good step forward but I would like to see encounters that require all sorts of combat tactics, not just tanks and logistics.

Edit: One more thing, Do you think you can manage the goons while being off in Iceland doing CSM business? We've seen empires fall coz their leaders where busy with stuff outside EVE, IT and Atlast being the most recent ones... yes ATLAS here I said it...

Degrelle
Amarr
Militaris Industries
Posted - 2011.02.27 07:29:00 - [103]
 

You get my vote sir

Disgruntled Flying Monkey
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
Posted - 2011.02.27 10:20:00 - [104]
 

Remember guys NC want to control ALL CSM seats so they can prevent all forms of PvP from 0.0

I know the flying monkeys will blindly follow him, but do you really want 0.0 to have less PvP, do you want supercaps to be buffed, do you want NAPs to get bonuses, do you want bots to be allowed freely?

If you dont want these features (as Mittani calls it) to happen in 0.0 then dont vote for Mittani or any other NC insecure clown, they are on a mission to make 0.0 worse than it already is

A vote for NC is a vote for combat free 0.0

clbo
Posted - 2011.02.27 10:54:00 - [105]
 

Edited by: clbo on 27/02/2011 10:58:32
Edited by: clbo on 27/02/2011 10:54:51
Will you not, not give me isk for my vote?

Pherick Sjang
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.02.27 11:10:00 - [106]
 

Edited by: Pherick Sjang on 27/02/2011 11:11:18
Removing jump bridges would be ****ing ******ed.

Hisec douchebags (particularly those who hate 0.0 dwellers) are ****ing ******ed.

People who believe Disgruntled Flying Monkey are ****ing ******ed.

Your puppy is not as cute as my puppies, but you still have my vote(s).

clbo
Posted - 2011.02.27 11:49:00 - [107]
 

Edited by: clbo on 27/02/2011 12:03:30
Originally by: Roc Wieler's blog

I asked my own alliance, Ushra’Khan, to explain it to me. We spoke about logistical advantages for fleet activity, how easy JBN make it to trap an enemy fleet, or escape from one. Low upkeep costs, they don’t appear on the overview, etc, etc. There are a lot of reasons why nullsec alliances love jump bridges, that’s for sure.


Originally by: Marconus Orion


The current CSM seemed pretty damn united about the removal/nerf of jump bridges. Which shortly after was when you went into a rage and decided that it was time for all the seats to be taken over by sov holding power block members. I posted the quote above you sent out. Do you no longer stand by what you said?


I also heard that throughout man's history, all military commanders have complained about the unfair advantage offered by defensive installations. I do hope that at least ccp will think this trough and offer the attacker an equal chance in this awesome internet spaceship game.

iP0D
Posted - 2011.02.27 12:11:00 - [108]
 

That's a clever way of trying to establish a perception of a range of candidate names as being "evil block vote dudes so everybody don't vote for them pick a wannabee independant while mittens is safe with his effective block already in place" Very Happy

There's a fair few candidates with their own established groups, but not blocks. It's a bit silly to just throw in a few big names for the sake of the agenda of standing on a guaranteed Goon block with only the risk of possible competitors - for effective leadership within the CSM following the elections - present because of a variety of candidates who have a quite professional grasp of how to work with CCP (in more ways than one) other than the angle of hurf blurf fist on table Cool

There are no conspiracies. The NC has a tradition of block voting, and it is part of all the choices people have in all of this. Sure it is a mindset topic, but that is normal, this is EVE. Krutoj getting a block vote remains to be seen, there's a fair few possible candidates starting to have their coming out. It seems Sokrates is gunning for the Tri/ADD votes once again, and little Seleene (who could very well be an impressively professional CSM member given his insights beyond the party line) doesn't have a block. Down in the south they don't really have a tradition of block votes beyond some experimentation with it.

Less posing man, and stop worrying, you already have the chair in the pocket. There's no need even for posing other niche Goon candidates to overshadow "independant" candidates on a per topic or "catch the mindset" basis even Cool

Honest question though. It's been clear how CCP react badly to the hurf blurf fist on the table approach in previous CSM's, your entire presentation seems to come down to that. I could be wrong obviously, it could just be the :lolelections: part o it, I hope so. Unless you'd be banking on social engineering lines it just never gives any results for EVE as a whole, only for own interests and you don't strike me as just going out there to preserve your state of the union. So, how exactly are you going to approach CCP when it is time to sit down at the table, where there is a very good part of CCP who is willing to listen if the work is done .. but also a very bad part of CCP which just wants to do new shiny stuff and gets butthurt when a CSM does not agree with something being :awesome:. to the point of literally turning their backs on the CSM, isolating them, slapping NDA on things while at the same time taking everything to the media. I am sure you understand the challenge, but do you have the methods for it. I'm not asking for some overview of background Smile But for how you are really going to approach matters.

Originally by: The Mittani

in the csm fight you can only vote /for/ a candidate, not against one (since it's not a run-off). it's a fair assessment that krutoj will take the DRF/Rus vote, Seleene will get awagon + nonaligned nullsec, Vile Rat and myself will get Cluster****/GSF votes, and Elise or Prom will get PL + Tri/ncdot/ev0ke/generic nonsov elite pvp. killer2 is the official NC candidate. meissa or trebor will get the hisec bears, possibly roc if his campaign takes off.



Scanner717
Posted - 2011.02.27 12:23:00 - [109]
 

I support not only the removal of Jump Bridges but I will go you one farther and ask that POS's have their reinforce timer shorted to 2 hour maximum. Because this crap with infinite isk streaming out of a dead weight brainless structures is killing any hope of warfare by attrition. Botting is a no brainer, KILL IT. I refuse to believe that none of the technology used by other MMO's to track and prevent alterations to game client cannot be used in eve. Mittani is not interested in changing a thing, even though a causal observer can look at the server killing Supercap fights and the real world problems associated with alarm clock ops, people told to skip work and school to be present to shoot pixels is obscene, and run screaming. voting for carebears, and by that I mean people casual minded is absolutely a better choice because hardcores :read mittani: want the bar of entry to match their current play schedule and have all else treading water. This simply put is why no Sov holding allaince can hold anything without forming a multi alliance power bloc. Look out at the map how much has actually changed hands in a years time, and how did it really change, was it by actual war or did most of the sov change hands because the sitting defender splintered? Has eve gotten more interesting or has null cooled to the most stable state it has ever been.

Disgruntled Flying Monkey
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
Posted - 2011.02.27 12:37:00 - [110]
 

This thread and Mittani's emotional instability has made me change my view on CCP, I for one am glad they dont listen to the CSM and hope they never decide to.

0.0 is flooded with NAPs and Bots, however rather than focusing on these issues what do we see? NC team up to make 0.0 safer and worse than it is.

I think CCP should just put 0.0 on a total different server and have the bi-polarity no longer affect the people who actually want to play a game and not run a business.

Kalrand
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.02.27 12:48:00 - [111]
 

Originally by: iP0D
That's a clever way of trying to establish a perception of a range of candidate names as being "evil block vote dudes so everybody don't vote for them pick a wannabee independant while mittens is safe with his effective block already in place" Very Happy

<snip>

There's no need even for posing other niche Goon candidates to overshadow "independant" candidates on a per topic or "catch the mindset" basis even Cool



Look ****bag, some of us aren't allowed to talk about our CSM candidacy on our own alliance forums because Dear Leader decided he wanted to meta game a bit higher up the ladder than he had been able to before.

Helen and Avalloc have both been on the CSM before. I'm a genuine candidate, but I really don't see how I can prove that to you unless you look at my quite extensive, usually constructive posting history over in Market Discussions. Twig Andberries is probably trolling you.

The reason you're seeing so many goon candidates this year, and never before is that it was customary that there was an internal primary. Mittani canceled that, and so anyone who was seriously thinking about running went "well, **** THAT GUY" and is going at it alone.

Karadion
Posted - 2011.02.27 12:59:00 - [112]
 

Originally by: Disgruntled Flying Monkey
Mittani's emotional instability
Prove it.

Disgruntled Flying Monkey
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
Posted - 2011.02.27 13:00:00 - [113]
 

Originally by: Kalrand

The reason you're seeing so many goon candidates this year, and never before is that it was customary that there was an internal primary. Mittani canceled that, and so anyone who was seriously thinking about running went "well, **** THAT GUY" and is going at it alone.


Mittani knows (even though this is common sense) that people will vote for the leader anyway so no one really cares who is running as long as they have alot of sheeps to follow.

Most people see the corp / alliance ticker and vote for them, if you even knew what CSM past or present suggested maybe you would not vote.

Like Vuk Lau who wanted to end number warfare, end power napping, allow smaller alliances to defend for themselves without having a **** load of blues.

No one even reads what NC CSM candidates even propose, its "oh that guy is NC, lets vote for him".

But like I said im glad CCP dont even listen to CSM otherwise 0.0 would be worse than it is, afterall it was CCP who suggested getting rid of jump bridges NOT CSM ;) so if you think you can change it by controlling all the seats then you truly are kalmad

Kalrand
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.02.27 13:06:00 - [114]
 

Originally by: Disgruntled Flying Monkey
so if you think you can change it by controlling all the seats then you truly are kalmad


I think you missed my point if you think I'm part of any effort to control anything.

Disgruntled Flying Monkey
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
Posted - 2011.02.27 13:08:00 - [115]
 

Originally by: Kalrand
Originally by: Disgruntled Flying Monkey
so if you think you can change it by controlling all the seats then you truly are kalmad


I think you missed my point if you think I'm part of any effort to control anything.


Obviously I wasnt talking about you Rolling Eyes

EnderCapitalG
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.02.27 13:19:00 - [116]
 

Originally by: Disgruntled Flying Monkey
Originally by: Kalrand
Originally by: Disgruntled Flying Monkey
so if you think you can change it by controlling all the seats then you truly are kalmad


I think you missed my point if you think I'm part of any effort to control anything.


Obviously I wasnt talking about you Rolling Eyes


You're really bad at this.

Stop while you're behind.

FinnAgain Zero
Roving Guns Inc.
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2011.02.27 13:20:00 - [117]
 

Originally by: Disgruntled Flying Monkey

Mittani knows (even though this is common sense) that people will vote for the leader anyway so no one really cares who is running as long as they have alot of sheeps to follow.


Yeah, that's why RZR's candidate last election cycle was easily elected and... wait....

Super Whopper
I can Has Cheeseburger
Posted - 2011.02.27 16:24:00 - [118]
 

Originally by: Marconus Orion
Originally by: The Mittani
The Foreverwar might be cooling off, but the war against drooling hisec missionrunners, lowsec k/d pirates, and 'elite pvp' nullsec nonsovholders is only beginning; it is CSM time, and the current crop of idiots is looking to ruin everything we know about sovereign space despite having never lived there themselves.We are now uniting with our allies (and even our nominal foes) to ensure that the Nullsec Bloc seizes control over the CSM, Jump Bridges aren't removed from the game, and that CCP is forced to get a clue.


Did you write this?

Originally by: The Mittens
In this election, there will be no 'democracy'. In the past, Goonswarm has held primaries and divided its electorate among competing candidates. This year, you have two candidates: Vile Rat and myself. Legion of Death will be putting forth Death, Krutoj, or both for the DRF bloc. The NC can't put up Vuk (he's moving to Slovenia and won't have time) but will presumably be able to put up Elvenlord or someone else who is 'sound'. TEST will be putting forward a candidate on their own, assuming the ravages of unchecked voting and freedom do not ruin their voting bloc. If IT still existed in any appreciable form, I'd have contacted them about having one of their guys stand; we're hoping that Awagon will put forth someone, either Herculetz or Manny.


So you are of the belief that all the seats of the CSM should be held by those that belong to 0.0 power block sov holders only? No one from high sec, no one from low sec and no non-sov holding entities who live out in 0.0?

Originally by: The Mittens
]It has been a year, because CCP increased the terms; we are now on the verge of another election cycle. In this past year, CCP claims they have begun to 'listen' to the CSM, and what a time to listen. Most major nullsec alliances gave up on the CSM ages ago, and this year-long term is full of nobodies and carebears. With the exception of Vuk Lau, I don't think any of these people have a single system of sovereignty.Yet this is the pack of drooling idiots who CCP is now 'seriously listening to' about what should be done to change our gameplay. These are the people - who have never dealt with a jump bridge in their life - discussing how removing jump bridges and trying to make nullsec logistics 'less fun' will simultaneously make the game more fun and fix lag at the same time. We can no longer ignore the CSM or the threat which its unchecked idiocy presents to every single player who lives in conquerable space.We cannot sit idly by and allow these wretched lowsec pirates and mission-hub *****s to try to pollute the minds of the developers - devs who, in case you have somehow forgotten, barely play this game and certainly don't do so in 0.0.


The idea of CCP removing jump bridges or nerfing them does not agree with you?

Also, you seem mad.


Mittani is mad, very mad.

This thread needs more lolGoons.

Mittani just wants a free trip to Iceland.

Shocked I just summed up Mittani's whole election manifesto.

Removed a trolling comment - Adida

Pisander
Posted - 2011.02.27 16:59:00 - [119]
 

I'm going to call this campaign smoke being blown up the ass despite you saying it's not. And here's why.
CCP created the CSM. The CSM serves CCP not the other way around. If you think you are going to go in there and start swinging proverbial fists and bring CCP to the table to listen to "us" and what "we" want then you're crazy. CCP brought the CSM in to this world it can take it out. And your attitude because you're some big powerful guy in a big alliance doesn't mean **** and could possibly cause CCP to just simply get rid of the CSM. I kind of get the feeling you're about to walk in to the mentally handicap room at a school and start swinging. That ain't gonna last too long, ya know? (No offense CCP just making a point).

Sure there's things that suck but at the end of the day it's a game we play and CCP owns. It's their game.
I also believe that you realize that the CSM V has done some hard work and got a foot in the door to where CCP is more inclined to listen to the CSM bringing forth player concerns and issues and take more of what they say to heart. And because of the work by the CSM V you see an opportunity to go in their and ravage the little bit of soft underbelly that they (CSM V) got CCP to show, finally.

Finally I'd like to state that it is quite hypocritical to call anyone a hypocrite and liar when you are head of an alliance that allows lying and scamming. By your very existence as head of Goonswarm you too are a hypocrite and a liar because you allow it to be done by your members. "Recruitment scam by Goons" It's all over the forums. As leader it goes to your character as well. So don't call others hypocrites and liars. the buck stops at the top buddy.

ImmaSplodeYou
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2011.02.27 17:15:00 - [120]
 

Edited by: ImmaSplodeYou on 27/02/2011 17:20:00
The NC don't want an NC hegemony of the CSM you inbred ***gots, they want a CSM that actually listens to the opinions of the roughly 75k+ players that live in sov holding nullsec alliances. If you don't think it's full ****** for about a third of the game's population (and that's not taking into account the guys in low/NPC null) to not have a voice (or to have a weakened voice)then you clearly need to diaf (In game). Sure, more people live in hisec but to quote my own post on K.com

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...all those pointing out (rightly) that most of the player base live in Empire for most of the time, I'd like to draw your attention to the last few Trailers for EVE Online expansions. Have they shown a guy sitting alone in a Dominix in Fricoure not playing the game, or have they shown a huge number of people duking out together in one system? The fact is a major part of CCP's marketing strategy involves nullsec, it's where many of the great stories about EVE that attract people (I for one found EVE after reading about the fall of BoB, IAC and others on websites/Magazines) come from. Now if this entire area of the game, so very key to the retention and collection of subscriptions, is overlooked and spat upon and nerfed (see absurdly tough structures, proposed nerfs to jump bridges, Incursions and so forth), it will have an adverse effect on every single facet of the game (people quitting, prices falling/rising in certain areas, general stagnation).

Like it or not 0.0 IS EVE online ; No one subscribes to EVE to run missions, a few like to mine which is all well and good but where are the best asteroids? Null security space. Almost all of the people who are drawn to EVE are drawn to the PvP and sovereignty sides. And I will rue the day we pamper any further to the whims of the undock gamers and the hi-sec war deccing neutral RRers that already infest the game like a rash, which leaves coalition-level warfare with the purpose of gaining territory.

EVE is nullsec, Nullsec is EVE. A CSM that actually knows sovereignty Nullsec is key to the ongoing success of the game. Thankyou for listening to this blurf, you deserve plusrep

TL;DR The CSM must contain people who know Nullsec as it's the key component to the game.


Fix lag
Free kartoon

If you ask any NC goodpoaster if they'd be happy to have Seleene/Krutoj/Elise or any other Nullsec person in the CSM they'd probably tell you 'Yes, of course, keep the bleating "This sandbox game does not look well enough on my style of play" crowd out'

The CSM is a sounding board, any deluded enough to think they can make sweeping reforms is just that, deluded. but we can at least have a sounding board that will call CCP if they drop a ******ed idea once in a while

Remember the Dominion Sov system? Technetium hegemony? let's keep them from happening again


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