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Fyodor Dostoyevsky
54th Massachusetts Volunteer Infantry
Posted - 2011.02.26 05:41:00 - [61]
 

The Mittani is a man of great wisdom and erudition. He has my vote, and should have yours as well.

The Mittani
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.02.26 06:25:00 - [62]
 

Originally by: Profiteering
Edited by: Profiteering on 26/02/2011 05:14:51
Edited by: Profiteering on 26/02/2011 05:14:33
Funny how many people dont realise that anyone can be lying, even this guy. Usually someone who says he isnt lying may well be lying to just get votes his way. Remember a lawyer is not a leader.


what exactly is there for me to lie about? the CSM is fundamentally misrepresented by candidates, and you need someone who can forge it into a working bloc to try to actually achieve power, rather than being the whitewashing PR stunt that CCP presently has it

'oh look we listen to players we fly nine dudes to iceland a couple of times a year!!!'

if you think this is not the actual truth, you're sadly deluded. if you think someone promising to fix blasters in this forum can actually deliver on that - christ, i don't even know

Chinwe Rhei
Minmatar
Tribal Liberation Force
Posted - 2011.02.26 06:25:00 - [63]
 

So how are your personal views less important if the CSM is more like a feedback group CCP bounces ideas against than if you were bringing Assembly Hall ideas to the developers ?

Sounds like you just want to block them nerfing your logistics and limiting your ability to hold deserted space you never use or whatever "important issues" alliances are getting prissy about this time of the year, by presenting CCP with a false impression of player consensus.

I don't think a feedback group should present an unified front at all.

The Mittani
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.02.26 06:32:00 - [64]
 

Originally by: Chinwe Rhei

I don't think a feedback group should present an unified front at all.



Then you must be very pleased by all that the CSMs have accomplished thus far.

Chinwe Rhei
Minmatar
Tribal Liberation Force
Posted - 2011.02.26 06:36:00 - [65]
 

Edited by: Chinwe Rhei on 26/02/2011 06:44:01
Originally by: The Mittani
Originally by: Chinwe Rhei

I don't think a feedback group should present an unified front at all.



Then you must be very pleased by all that the CSMs have accomplished thus far.


Considering CSMs have been elected with as little as 7% votes cast i'd be really worried if they had more influence.
But last i heard they all thought removing Jump Bridges was a pretty sweet idea, that was a nice show of unity there ! What are your personal feelings on the issue ?

The Mittani
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.02.26 06:58:00 - [66]
 

removing jump bridges would be ******ed, but ccp is likely to make a move on the bridge issue before the csm election actually goes through, so i don't think it'll have any practical relevance for CSM6. which is a shame, since the last time they tried to make a major balance fix in nullsec they created the hilariously profitable but unbalanced and stupid tech bottleneck. welp!

Marconus Orion
D00M.
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2011.02.26 07:03:00 - [67]
 

Originally by: The Mittani
removing jump bridges would be ******ed, but ccp is likely to make a move on the bridge issue before the csm election actually goes through, so i don't think it'll have any practical relevance for CSM6. which is a shame, since the last time they tried to make a major balance fix in nullsec they created the hilariously profitable but unbalanced and stupid tech bottleneck. welp!


You never had any issues about the tech bottleneck when you lived up north where they were at. Now that you are down south you are expressing that the situation is wrong.

Why the change of heart?

obv iostraderalt
Posted - 2011.02.26 07:04:00 - [68]
 

Mittens for President

The Mittani
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.02.26 07:09:00 - [69]
 

Originally by: Marconus Orion

You never had any issues about the tech bottleneck when you lived up north where they were at. Now that you are down south you are expressing that the situation is wrong.

Why the change of heart?


You lie.

1. I live 'up north', in Deklein.

2. I called CCP Chronotis a dunderheaded idiot in a column before the changes to tech even went through.

Ophelia Ursus
Posted - 2011.02.26 07:12:00 - [70]
 

On your website, you make a big deal about the importance of getting the chairmanship. What, in your mind, is the role of the chair?

Originally by: Two Shots
The man can snap his fingers and say "Hey guys, this thing over here sounds like it might be fun; go do it if you feel like it," and thereby consistently summon up a fleet of a thousand people eager to go die horribly. Show me another leader who can do that without a bunch of threats, vapid CALL TO ARMS!!!!! posts, and general freaking out about Internet space ships. For that matter, show me a leader who can do it with those things.

Darius could motivate goons to go do stuff. Darius was also a laughably ineffectual CSM delegate whose terms accomplished nothing of value for the playerbase or the overall state of the game (he got himself a job out of it, though; yay!). Why should anyone assume that an ability to motivate goons will translate to an ability to be a good CSM delegate?

Doctor Ungabungas
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.02.26 07:13:00 - [71]
 

Originally by: Marconus Orion
Originally by: The Mittani
removing jump bridges would be ******ed, but ccp is likely to make a move on the bridge issue before the csm election actually goes through, so i don't think it'll have any practical relevance for CSM6. which is a shame, since the last time they tried to make a major balance fix in nullsec they created the hilariously profitable but unbalanced and stupid tech bottleneck. welp!


You never had any issues about the tech bottleneck when you lived up north where they were at. Now that you are down south you are expressing that the situation is wrong.

Why the change of heart?


-- Eve Online 2011.

Spacepunk Aerowolf
Gallente
Posted - 2011.02.26 07:41:00 - [72]
 

Your platform is fine, but why does the king of the goons need my vote to get elected? Aren't there other candidates that could be valuable to your magical coalition of reason that need my votes more than you?

Marconus Orion
D00M.
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2011.02.26 08:06:00 - [73]
 

Originally by: The Mittani
The Foreverwar might be cooling off, but the war against drooling hisec missionrunners, lowsec k/d pirates, and 'elite pvp' nullsec nonsovholders is only beginning; it is CSM time, and the current crop of idiots is looking to ruin everything we know about sovereign space despite having never lived there themselves.We are now uniting with our allies (and even our nominal foes) to ensure that the Nullsec Bloc seizes control over the CSM, Jump Bridges aren't removed from the game, and that CCP is forced to get a clue.


Did you write this?

Originally by: The Mittens
In this election, there will be no 'democracy'. In the past, Goonswarm has held primaries and divided its electorate among competing candidates. This year, you have two candidates: Vile Rat and myself. Legion of Death will be putting forth Death, Krutoj, or both for the DRF bloc. The NC can't put up Vuk (he's moving to Slovenia and won't have time) but will presumably be able to put up Elvenlord or someone else who is 'sound'. TEST will be putting forward a candidate on their own, assuming the ravages of unchecked voting and freedom do not ruin their voting bloc. If IT still existed in any appreciable form, I'd have contacted them about having one of their guys stand; we're hoping that Awagon will put forth someone, either Herculetz or Manny.


So you are of the belief that all the seats of the CSM should be held by those that belong to 0.0 power block sov holders only? No one from high sec, no one from low sec and no non-sov holding entities who live out in 0.0?

Originally by: The Mittens
]It has been a year, because CCP increased the terms; we are now on the verge of another election cycle. In this past year, CCP claims they have begun to 'listen' to the CSM, and what a time to listen. Most major nullsec alliances gave up on the CSM ages ago, and this year-long term is full of nobodies and carebears. With the exception of Vuk Lau, I don't think any of these people have a single system of sovereignty.Yet this is the pack of drooling idiots who CCP is now 'seriously listening to' about what should be done to change our gameplay. These are the people - who have never dealt with a jump bridge in their life - discussing how removing jump bridges and trying to make nullsec logistics 'less fun' will simultaneously make the game more fun and fix lag at the same time. We can no longer ignore the CSM or the threat which its unchecked idiocy presents to every single player who lives in conquerable space.We cannot sit idly by and allow these wretched lowsec pirates and mission-hub *****s to try to pollute the minds of the developers - devs who, in case you have somehow forgotten, barely play this game and certainly don't do so in 0.0.


The idea of CCP removing jump bridges or nerfing them does not agree with you?

Also, you seem mad.

James Tiberius Kirk
Posted - 2011.02.26 08:25:00 - [74]
 

Edited by: James Tiberius Kirk on 26/02/2011 08:32:06
Are you willing to break NDA?

If not, how will you even be different from any other CSM member?

Your general attitude towards CSM is commendable, but do you even believe it yourself that you are able to deliver?

Are you willing to report your own members to stop botting if it comes to that?

Your alliance openly violates EULA, are you going to try and protect them when it is apparent that the discussion is going against your alliance agenda?

Are you planning to say anything that isn't a lie?

The Mittani
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.02.26 08:35:00 - [75]
 

Originally by: James Tiberius Kirk
Edited by: James Tiberius Kirk on 26/02/2011 08:32:06
Are you willing to break NDA?

If not, how will you even be different from any other CSM member?

Your general attitude towards CSM is commendable, but do you even believe it yourself that you are able to deliver?

Are you willing to report your own members to stop botting if it comes to that?

Your alliance openly violates EULA, are you going to try and protect them when it is apparent that the discussion is going against your alliance agenda?

Are you planning to say anything that isn't a lie?


Have you stopped beating your wife yet?

FinnAgain Zero
Roving Guns Inc.
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2011.02.26 08:35:00 - [76]
 

Mittens for God Emperor.

Meissa Anunthiel
Redshift Industrial
Rooks and Kings
Posted - 2011.02.26 10:15:00 - [77]
 

Originally by: The Mittani

They’re lying to you.

All the promises from the CSM candidates, all the ‘issues’ and ‘features’ they’re going to address - it’s all a pack of lies.


Welcome to the CSM candidacy Mittens, nice to see you finally throwing your hat in the ring.

However, don't put us all in the same basket. While many CSM members in the past have got in by making promises to the general public, that's not been the case for all of us. I would actually say that the most valuable members of the CSM over the past 4 terms I was a member of were the ones who didn't make promises of the kind you describe.

I just want to address this point.
Originally by: The Mittani

The CSM is a sounding board. CCP comes to the CSM and lays out their ideas about whatever they’re thinking up, and it’s up to the the CSM to provide feedback while gagged under a nondisclosure agreement.
<snip>
I know this because my directors have been on the CSM since its inception, and we’ve watched with growing frustration as the CSM showed promise, then failed to accomplish anything relevant.

On one hand you say: "I'm not going to lie to you, I know how the CSM operates, we're a sounding board", on the other hand you say that process you want to be a part of failed to "accomplish anything relevant". Pick one :-)

Now, since you agree we are a sounding board, a feedback mechanism and a lobbyist group for things we'd like, you must know also that most of our accomplishments are not of the form "hey, we gave you this, on our own, because we said so", but rather a continuous collaboration with CCP where features we promoted made it in with CCP's design and our feedback on that design, or things that came from CCP but we had a significant impact in altering to make sure it suited our needs, desires, didn't upset things more than was needed, etc. (not always successfuly, but we can't force CCP into doing anything).

If you want other examples of things the CSM has been responsible for providing significant feedback on to the point the resulting things were better.

- Microtransactions (or lack thereof :p)
- UI redesign (including but not limited to new contextual menus, assets search, contracts, eve mail, fitting savings)
- Titan changes, Naglfar changes, fuel bays
- Bettering the GM department (work in progress, but the progress exists and is relevant)
- New Player Experience
There's many many more things...
But it's a collaborative process, not anything the CSM can point at and say we're solely responsible for. So don't bash us for that, you won't be able to do anything different.

That being said, welcome again, good luck with your campaign.
For those who intend to vote for The Mittani, all I can say is that from the limited interactions I've had with him, he looks like a fairly clever guy and I'm curious as to what he could bring to the table...

Killer Gandry
Caldari
Shadow of the Pain
Posted - 2011.02.26 11:32:00 - [78]
 

Voting for Mittani would feel just as good for me as letting Istvaan invest my ISK for me.


Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
Posted - 2011.02.26 13:00:00 - [79]
 

Abstain...

EnderCapitalG
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.02.26 13:57:00 - [80]
 

Originally by: Chribba
I'm an Eve Online "celebrity" who thinks I should post in every thread even if it's a contentless one word post.

Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
Posted - 2011.02.26 14:12:00 - [81]
 

Originally by: EnderCapitalG
Originally by: Chribba
I'm an Eve Online "celebrity" who thinks I should post in every thread even if it's a contentless one word post.

Word!

Gehen Sealbreaker
Amarr
Posted - 2011.02.26 14:13:00 - [82]
 

Originally by: Chribba
Originally by: EnderCapitalG
Originally by: Chribba
I'm an Eve Online "celebrity" who thinks I should post in every thread even if it's a contentless one word post.

Word!


/me likes this.

Profiteering
Posted - 2011.02.26 14:34:00 - [83]
 

Edited by: Profiteering on 26/02/2011 14:36:38
Mittani, Im just saying we dont know if your lying or not at all period. You may have things to lie about you that you didnt show in your post. The only reason your probably going to be a good leader is all those other goonswarm candidates will be elected at the most....You shouldnt call people deluded, you should convince them instead of calling them names, Good way to get another voter moron.

EnderCapitalG
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.02.26 14:53:00 - [84]
 

Originally by: Profiteering
Edited by: Profiteering on 26/02/2011 14:36:38
Mittani, Im just saying we dont know if your lying or not at all period. You may have things to lie about you that you didnt show in your post. The only reason your probably going to be a good leader is all those other goonswarm candidates will be elected at the most....You shouldnt call people deluded, you should convince them instead of calling them names, Good way to get another voter moron.


He's not lying. It's not like getting on the CSM is going to ~magically~ allow him to tell CCP to do anything he wants, because we all know that the current CSM structure gets almost nothing proposed done. Ever.

It's just a group that CCP bounces ideas off of then says "Hey look, the guys you people elected agree with us!!! PRAISE THE CSM! PLAYER INTERACTION!!"

PS Get over yourself.

Midi Messiah
Thunderwaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.02.26 17:02:00 - [85]
 

Originally by: Marconus Orion
Originally by: The Mittani
removing jump bridges would be ******ed, but ccp is likely to make a move on the bridge issue before the csm election actually goes through, so i don't think it'll have any practical relevance for CSM6. which is a shame, since the last time they tried to make a major balance fix in nullsec they created the hilariously profitable but unbalanced and stupid tech bottleneck. welp!


You never had any issues about the tech bottleneck when you lived up north where they were at. Now that you are down south you are expressing that the situation is wrong.

Why the change of heart?


One thing that I have learned from this thread is that drooling ******s are somehow capable of using mouse and a keyboard these days.

That's quite some progress, right there...

The Mittani
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.02.26 17:51:00 - [86]
 

Originally by: James Tiberius Kirk
Edited by: James Tiberius Kirk on 26/02/2011 08:32:06
Are you willing to break NDA?

If not, how will you even be different from any other CSM member?

Your general attitude towards CSM is commendable, but do you even believe it yourself that you are able to deliver?

Are you willing to report your own members to stop botting if it comes to that?

Your alliance openly violates EULA, are you going to try and protect them when it is apparent that the discussion is going against your alliance agenda?


with the exception of the wife-beating question the rest of these were pretty reasonable.

1. of course i'm not willing to violate the nda.

2. i'm a mother****er.

3. i don't know if i'll be able to deliver. i do think i'll be able to do a better job than 'nice' csms, but that could just be my arrogance blinding me. still, i have a solid track record of forging coalitions and making enemies into friends to accomplish common goals. i'm also flat out more politically wise to the ways of human influence than most people angling for this spot.

4,5: this is a common and reasonable question. every alliance has EULA violators. it's not the job of an alliance leader to play space-cop when CCP clearly isn't enforcing ****-all on the botting front. EN24 has done a series of fascinating articles on botting and ccp's utter lack of response to it; on average they might only be banned for 1-3 days.

if you think it's the alliance leader's job to enforce the EULA, you're not going to vote for me. that's a silly position, though, if you consider it for a microsecond or two: hey look i climbed to the top of **** mountain, let's resolve ratting disputes all day! there's no point in being an unpaid CCP gm when CCP themselves don't enforce the things you're reporting on

as someone who enjoys small-gang pvp more than massive fleets (irony alert) i'd prefer if botting was pursued aggressively, as there's basically no solo pvp to be had since the natural solo prey - the idiot ratter - is now an automated auto-logging machine.

RAW23
Posted - 2011.02.26 18:07:00 - [87]
 

The Mittani's position as expressed in this thread is pretty badly flawed. He extrapolates from the fact that there is no well-defined method for the positive propagation of game design ideas from the CSM to CCP and concludes that anyone who lays out an agenda is a liar. Yet, at the same time he recognises that the CSM acts as a sounding board that gives feedback to CCP. Obviously, this feedback will be based on the preferences sketched by the agendas of each candidate so these lists of goals do, in fact, provide good sources of information for the voters to see what the candidates will work towards, whether through active propagation of ideas or in the more passive role of providing feedback. All that is needed to make the agendas correspond with reality is a slight change of emphasis (something along the lines of 'I will support general principles X, Y and Z and will definitely support changes a, b and c whilst I will not give positive feedback to ideas along the lines of d, e or f).

What does the Mittani offer in the place of an agenda that voters can support? He offers 'leadership' for the CSM. He does not say towards what ends. However, if his previous writings (e.g. his Ten Ton Hammer pieces) are anything to go by, it does not really matter towards what ends. He thinks that what is important is that people should be led and not that they should choose. He writes fulsome praise of the leadership style that restricts the choices of those being led because mere pawns cannot be expected to appreciate the vistas of freedom and will simply become confused and dazed if they are offered too many options. So, don't expect that the Mittani will act in what you think are your interests if you vote for him. Expect, rather, to be told what is in your interest, whether you like it or not. Remember also that this is someone who has spoken warmly of the pleasure to be had not just in beating people in the game but in driving them out of the game by ruining their gameplay experience. This is the person who wants to be your representative in helping to determine, whether directly or through providing feedback, what that experience will be.

Of course, many Goons will vote for the Mittani. He takes their votes for granted in the OP saying that a CSM place is simply his for the taking. To the Goons I say, what has become of you? Will you ever again be able to look your heritage in the face if you pass up this wonderful chance to troll your leader and puncture his ego by voting for someone else? There are other Goon candidates available to you, candidates who are not standing on the principle of divine right. If you want one of your own at the CSM table then vote for Kalrand and show yourselves capable of independence and not just slavish obedience to an arrogant master.

This Party Political Broadcast was paid for by MD Voices for Kalrand, a non-profit organisation.

Two Shots
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.02.26 18:23:00 - [88]
 

Originally by: RAW23
So, don't expect that the Mittani will act in what you think are your interests if you vote for him. Expect, rather, to be told what is in your interest, whether you like it or not.

How exactly is this any different from any other candidate? Candidate X who wants to 'fix blasters' is going to support fixing blasters and shoot down other ideas as "wastes of time" if they are proposed, because people are petty. Candidate Y who wants to remove Level 4 missions from high-security space is going to similarly cut down other peoples' ideas and project his own as 'the best'. Candidate Z who wants to disperse 0.0 power blocs is going to oppose anything raised by the 0.0 power blocs in favor of his ideas. What you have said about The Mittani—that he is going to act in his perceived best interest at the potential expense of everyone else's—is an accurate description of how most human beings on this planet act every day. What you seem to balk at is the fact that The Mittani openly admits to being a manipulative bastard who is willing to try to get his way once he is in a position to do so, rather than mouthing a bunch of empty platitudes about how he's not going to do that.

Everyone has an agenda. Most people try to hide it, or flower it up with nice words about the importance of the Every Man. If your problem with The Mittani is that he has an agenda, then don't vote for him—or for anyone else in the CSM race. If your problem with The Mittani is that he admits to having an agenda, then help yourself to a sobering dose of reality: everyone has an agenda The Mittani loves you, and has your best interests at heart.

The Mittani
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.02.26 18:37:00 - [89]
 

Edited by: The Mittani on 26/02/2011 18:40:38


my agenda also involves relentlessly posting pictures of my puppy


RAW23
Posted - 2011.02.26 19:00:00 - [90]
 

Edited by: RAW23 on 26/02/2011 19:00:33
Originally by: Two Shots
Everyone has an agenda. Most people try to hide it, or flower it up with nice words about the importance of the Every Man. If your problem with The Mittani is that he has an agenda, then don't vote for him—or for anyone else in the CSM race. If your problem with The Mittani is that he admits to having an agenda, then help yourself to a sobering dose of reality: everyone has an agenda The Mittani loves you, and has your best interests at heart.


The agenda outlined here is simply to forge the CSM into an effective and unified advocacy group. What is not outlined is exactly what it will advocate for once it is an effective group. Creating something powerful simply for the sake of having something powerful with an ends-blind attitude is the kind of political position that makes me want to run a mile. Creating something powerful with specific objectives in mind is something I could get behind, on the other hand. Now, The Mittani has referred readers to his Ten Ton Hammer articles if they want to know his views, and by implication, the kinds of positions he would likely use the weapon he plans to forge in support of. But this is just hiding these views behind several hundred pages of text. Why not just summarise them here? What, exactly, is the agenda?

Edit - Cute puppy btw.


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