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Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2011.03.09 18:10:00 - [151]
 

+voted for Trebor.

Good luck mate, I hope you win another year of largely thankless, frustrating unpaid work!

Isus Jarode
Gallente
Sons of Ivaldi
Zero Hour Alliance
Posted - 2011.03.09 18:35:00 - [152]
 

You've got my vote. Of all the candidates that I read about, you struck me as the most genuine and experienced. While there are others worthy of the position, I wanted to guarantee your own. So good luck!

Mele
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2011.03.09 18:58:00 - [153]
 

this man works his socks off daily for all of us. He gets all my votes!

debbie harrio
Posted - 2011.03.09 19:50:00 - [154]
 



Was going to give The Mittani a vote or two until he started with his sock puppet malarky.

So now you have all 7 votes.

Trebor Daehdoow
Gallente
Sane Industries Inc.
Posted - 2011.03.09 20:01:00 - [155]
 

Folks,

I greatly appreciate your expressions of support. It is perhaps the greatest reward from working on CSM 5 -- the only close contender would be the coffee at CCP, which is really quite excellent.

If I could impose upon you futher, I would greatly appreciate it if you would take a little extra time to make sure all your friends in-game know who you voted for, and why, and encourage them to vote as well -- for whatever candidate they prefer.

You may wish to pass on these two links, which explain the stakes at risk in the election:

http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1472157&page=1#4

http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1479234

Turnout has already been surprisingly heavy. I'd like to see it go much higher. In fact, I'd like to see every EVE player vote!

A huge turnout will be a strong signal to CCP of how seriously the players take the CSM.

You can help make that happen by spending just a few minutes of your time.

Thanks in advance,
Trebor

Killer Gandry
Caldari
Shadow of the Pain
Posted - 2011.03.10 00:14:00 - [156]
 

Well, my votes are casted.

DrDan21
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2011.03.10 00:23:00 - [157]
 

You really worked hard on this post and I like the stands your making. You have my vote :)

Honor Firestorm
Posted - 2011.03.10 00:33:00 - [158]
 

I see you talk a lot of fancy words, but I didn't notice any changes from the last time you sat in the CSM chair. I get harassed a lot for having a hot toon. This has been a real peeve. I know you have a lot of Eve friends which will probably get you re-elected so I am inclined to vote for you too. I got my isks stolen by D-bank and you weren't there to help me get it back. I contacted the guy who took it and he bought be a Golem, which was cool. I wonder what you would buy me in a similar situation. Another serious issue that you overlook is the autopilot bug. As far as wormhole mechanics and fixes, if you know how to use bookmarks it all becomes a non-issue. I would like to see you stand up to CCP when the concord doesn't come fast enough when some jerk suicide-ganks my ship.

I support you if you make this agenda.

Trebor Daehdoow
Gallente
Sane Industries Inc.
Posted - 2011.03.10 02:43:00 - [159]
 

Originally by: Honor Firestorm
[...a very long wish list...]

I would suggest that you repost your request in this thread. It belongs to a candidate who will be eager to promise to do all of these things, and more.

Thank you for your interest, and, of course, the bump.

HeroInAHalfShell
Posted - 2011.03.10 03:19:00 - [160]
 

Edited by: ******AHalfShell on 10/03/2011 03:26:03
Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow
Originally by: ******AHalfShell
Regardless of personal history, you should be able to put this behind yourself if you're going to be an effective representative. What happens if the playerbase supports something you yourself disagree with? Are we all trolls?

No, of course not. I have no problems with people disagreeing with me, and as long as they do it in a polite manner, I am happy to discuss things with them.

As I've said before, I'm a skeptic. This means if you can provide good evidence that a position I hold is incorrect, I will accept it without too much of a bruised ego. Furthermore, I acknowledge the possibility that any particular position I hold is incorrect, or at least only partially correct.

It is for that reason that I try very hard not to project my personal opinions into my work on the CSM. After all, I was elected to represent the players.

Moving on to your question, if I didn't personally agree with a proposal because I thought it was a bad idea, I would have difficulty effectively championing it to the CSM and calling for a vote. In such a case, I would have three main bits of advice:

First, I would suggest they contact other CSMs that might have a more personal affinity for the subject matter.

Second, I would explain the issues I had with the proposal, on both a conceptual (what they want) and structural (how they are asking for it) level. And if they address those issues, or make a good argument that I am mistaken (or perhaps, a bit of both), then I would be able to raise and champion it.

Third, I would suggest that they contact the other CSMs, ask for their input, and tweak the proposal as appropriate. That would maximize the chances of the proposal sailing through with a 9-0 vote and everyone saying "Good idea!", "No objections," "Does this really need discussion? Let's vote!"

All of the above can run in parallel, of course.

With respect to your other questions, and other posts, do not expect a reply; it's blatantly obvious you're a troll; a three month-old character with only a few posts, all of them about the elections, and all of them recent. However, you did ask an interesting question, and I gave you extra points for having a character name that triggers the forum bad-words filter -- including messing up the link to your posting history on EveSearch! I know you won't be satisfied with this answer, but hopefully it will be helpful to other readers of the thread.

PS: thanks for the all bumps.



How does anything you said constitute me being a troll? I am genuinely concerned that you are not a good candidate and your smug tone does nothing to enhance my opinion of you. You were caught out misrepresenting the facts and now you are hoping to deflect attention by attacking my character rather than answer the question.

Your claims don't match your record. Hell, your record doesn't match your record.

Assuming that I created an account with a name that would mess up EveSearch for undisclosed (I presume trolling?) purposes is tinfoilhattery of the highest order.

If you were any good you'd be able to answer me. Calling you a liar when you have been caught lying is a simple statement of fact, not a troll, and not impolite, given that I also allowed for the fact that you simply don't really know how the CSM works.

PS: I don't know why you would think that any publicity is good publicity, especially when you act like this, but you're welcome, I guess...


edit: hahaha I enjoyed your response to the 'smear campaign.' That's the best doublespeak yet :)

Johnathan Walker
Caldari
Posted - 2011.03.10 04:01:00 - [161]
 

Edited by: Johnathan Walker on 10/03/2011 04:01:16
Originally by: ******AHalfShell
Calling you a liar when you have been caught lying is a simple statement of fact, not a troll, and not impolite, given that I also allowed for the fact that you simply don't really know how the CSM works.



Question @ Hero:

You have claimed Trebor lied. Can you cite the specific example(s) leading you to believe this and backing the example with evidence to support your claim?


Also, tinfoil hattery:
Quote:
given that I also allowed for the fact that you simply don't really know how the CSM works.


This sounds eerily familiar to:

Originally by: The Mittani
Since you suggested that I should telecommute to Reykjavik and skip the face-to-face summit meetings, I'm going to guess that you don't understand how that works.


Hero = Mittani? Who knows?! YARRRR!!

Cassus Temon
Aliastra
Posted - 2011.03.10 06:13:00 - [162]
 

Honestly.. not someone I would vote for.

Max Branavaldo
Posted - 2011.03.10 07:59:00 - [163]
 

You are convincing, the facts you bring are solid, you get my vote
Max

Aemmaria
Posted - 2011.03.10 08:28:00 - [164]
 

Seleene stole some vote from you, but there been others left. Carry on, please.

Avaaloniaa
Posted - 2011.03.10 11:24:00 - [165]
 

Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow
Originally by: Avaaloniaa
Could you please confirm what your stand is on the scalable GUI and in game fonts being too small for the modern big display screens?

As an older player, who peers at his 24" LCD through reading-glasses, and whose palsied hands shake as they attempt to right-click on things, I'm all in favor of a scalable (and user-extendable) UI.

At the summit back in June, CCP said they were making progress on an update to the EVE font, and hopefully more information about that and other global UI improvements will be forthcoming soon. I've made a request in the CSM Internal forum for a status update, and I will pass on what I learn as soon as possible.



Hi Trebor,
Have you had any news on this matter, please?
Thank you in advance!

Trebor Daehdoow
Gallente
Sane Industries Inc.
Posted - 2011.03.10 11:48:00 - [166]
 

Edited by: Trebor Daehdoow on 10/03/2011 12:02:31
Originally by: Avaaloniaa
Hi Trebor,
Have you had any news on this matter [scalable UI and EVE font], please?
Thank you in advance!

I inquired, and received a brief internal reply. I (and Mynxee and Dierdra Vaal) have requested some more details.

I hope to be able to provide a more detailed answer soon.

Bomberlocks
Minmatar
CTRL-Q
Posted - 2011.03.10 11:58:00 - [167]
 

Originally by: ******AHalfShell
...herp derp...
Hi Mittans, someone on SHC mentioned that you aren't really liked at SA, and that not all people from SA were in Goons. Intrigued, I went there and found this:
Originally by: Velius at SA forums
This would be a better argument if 90% of your posts weren't trying to lord over the EO guys about something. Usually about how obsessed they are with you, when you're totally not also obsessed with them. Why not take it to the otherwise-dead EO thread?


I think Velius has something there. Very Happy

Slim Wan
Posted - 2011.03.10 12:27:00 - [168]
 

+1 from me...good job Sir...

Miss Xoco
Minmatar
Blacksteel Mining and Manufacturing
Renaissance Federation
Posted - 2011.03.10 13:25:00 - [169]
 

Edited by: Miss Xoco on 10/03/2011 14:13:06
If just would like 1 thing:

-No warp scrambler on a LV. 4, none, it only will punish the weak pleayers and they will even lose ships. Its not PVP, its mission fun. Rather give all enemies more HP instead if they rly just want to have ships destroyed or making the missions harder. I am here for the weak and will always vote for them so everyone can have fun game experience. I know im probably the only one losing ships because of scrambling, so its probably made just in order to hurt me and a few others. It wouldnt be a matter at all just to remove stuff which doesnt hurt anyone else, except the weak. The whole idea only to punish the weak is far from adorable.

-Another thing which would be nice to see is some boost on command ships maybe, they should be legendary ships but nowadays they are barely above HACs. I would say give them either a additional med or low slot, as they got higher skill requirements than a T3.

-Ofc there is more stuff such as easy access to clone jump even for ROOKIES (will fix PVP a lot).
-Aswell special counter measures (module in high slot) in order to provide huge/espensive ships with blobb resistance.

-Add a new feature called kamikaze attack. Self destruct should ONLY be usable on a pod. A ship however, in term its smaller than its oponnent, may be able to use a Kamikaze attack which will hurt both ships and the smaller one usualy completly destroyed.


If you bring something of that stuff up i will vote, since you did already great work on way to many improvements which i was considering a great addition.

@ Honor Firestorm: I dont find your character hot, so at least one lesser

Trebor Daehdoow
Gallente
Sane Industries Inc.
Posted - 2011.03.10 15:39:00 - [170]
 

Originally by: Honor Firestorm
[...a very long wish list...]


I would suggest that you repost your request in this campaign thread. I am sure that candidate will be eager to promise to do all of these things, and more.

Regarding the illegal RMT ISK that you were scammed out of, I recommend you file a petition and include as much detail as you can -- names, places, your bank account information, etc. I am sure that a helpful GM will take care of you immediately.

Thank you for your interest in my campaign, and, of course, the bump. Twisted Evil

Nerodon
Gallente
Incapsulated Reality
Posted - 2011.03.10 16:12:00 - [171]
 

Edited by: Nerodon on 10/03/2011 16:12:48
+1 vote for you trebor.

All those arguments against you relating to your "dumb ideas" are pretty much pointless.

Those ideas that are due to a lack of knowledge of eve's very particular game mechanics and technical inner workings or simply just shots is the dark because it's better to put forward a bunch of not so good ideas in the hopes that only one of those could actually be a good idea.

But, all this is mostly irrelevent. You as CSM, don't really have much say in suggesting ideas. Rather, you'd give an honest opinion about how a certain implementation or fix could affect the playerbase, it is my opinion that this is what is the most important aspect of the CSM, to keep CCP from doing stupid changes.

Also, as Chairman (If you become one), your qualities as organiser will be what makes you a good chairman or not.

All the power to you Treb! May you win your election! ;)

Hailey Sunweaver
Minmatar
Murientor Tribe
Posted - 2011.03.10 18:27:00 - [172]
 

Goons be damed I gave you one of my three votes. I've read your blog and I think you will serve well on CSM 6. Good luck!1

P.S. No my other two votes didn't go to Mittens

HeroInAHalfShell
Posted - 2011.03.10 20:51:00 - [173]
 

Originally by: Johnathan Walker
Edited by: Johnathan Walker on 10/03/2011 04:01:16
Originally by: ******AHalfShell
Calling you a liar when you have been caught lying is a simple statement of fact, not a troll, and not impolite, given that I also allowed for the fact that you simply don't really know how the CSM works.



Question @ Hero:

You have claimed Trebor lied. Can you cite the specific example(s) leading you to believe this and backing the example with evidence to support your claim?


Also, tinfoil hattery:
Quote:
given that I also allowed for the fact that you simply don't really know how the CSM works.


This sounds eerily familiar to:

Originally by: The Mittani
Since you suggested that I should telecommute to Reykjavik and skip the face-to-face summit meetings, I'm going to guess that you don't understand how that works.


Hero = Mittani? Who knows?! YARRRR!!


Hahaha yes I'm am The Mittani ;) Maybe I should be running instead!

It's not so much that he doesn't know how the CSM works necessarily, as that he is pretty obviously spinning furiously to a) defend the public letter that was sent, and b) to make it look like he has a whole bunch of methods to approach issues through the CSM, when what he described was a single process.

Check his post here:

http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=replyquote&threadID=1472157&line=126

and my response/dramatic callout here:
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=replyquote&threadID=1472157&line=127

What I am saying is that I don't trust him because either he really thinks that what he said is a number of options available to the CSM, which would make him incompetent, or alternatively that he is happy to distort the facts in order to protect his interests vOv

It's not like he got caught RMTing but I think it is something that suggests he values his own interests above the truth, and I don't think that makes him a good candidate for the CSM.

Additionally I heard that Vuk Lau's quote was misrepresented - would you care to retrieve the original to clear that up, Trebor?

Hunk O'Love
Posted - 2011.03.10 22:19:00 - [174]
 

Did anyone else notice this guys in-game name is his real-life name backwards.

Not sure I want someone with this much originality of thought involved in the council that looks after my "spaceships are serious business" issues.

Bomberlocks
Minmatar
CTRL-Q
Posted - 2011.03.10 22:45:00 - [175]
 

Originally by: ******AHalfShell
....blurf...

and my response/dramatic callout here:
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=replyquote&threadID=1472157&line=127
....
You're really terribad at this whole internet thing (tried clicking your own link?). Also, using bold text to make your internet drama seem more dramatic is pretty fail.

P.S.I think he knows a bit more about the CSM and how it works than you do, and trolling him with bull**** doesn't change that. Did you goonies ever stop to think that running a smear campaign against someone who has actually been on the CSM and is pretty much regarded by most as having been successful would perhaps be a bit more effective if you didn't go absolutely over the top with all the drama? The Goons have a bad rep, and you might be too isolated from the rest of Eve to see it, but no one is going to shed a tear if the Goons all disappeared from Eve tomorrow. Screaming at Trebor does him more good than it does you.

Don't believe me? We'll see on the 22nd. Very Happy

HeroInAHalfShell
Posted - 2011.03.10 23:06:00 - [176]
 

Originally by: Bomberlocks
Originally by: ******AHalfShell
....blurf...

and my response/dramatic callout here:
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=replyquote&threadID=1472157&line=127
....
You're really terribad at this whole internet thing (tried clicking your own link?). Also, using bold text to make your internet drama seem more dramatic is pretty fail.

P.S.I think he knows a bit more about the CSM and how it works than you do, and trolling him with bull**** doesn't change that. Did you goonies ever stop to think that running a smear campaign against someone who has actually been on the CSM and is pretty much regarded by most as having been successful would perhaps be a bit more effective if you didn't go absolutely over the top with all the drama? The Goons have a bad rep, and you might be too isolated from the rest of Eve to see it, but no one is going to shed a tear if the Goons all disappeared from Eve tomorrow. Screaming at Trebor does him more good than it does you.

Don't believe me? We'll see on the 22nd. Very Happy


You sound angry. I'm not screaming, or threatening anyone. Just pointing out (with due emphasis, mind) why I don't think Trebor is a good candidate. Nobody has even attempted to explain his comments, which leads me to believe that with all the **** and vinegar on here I have made a reasonable point.

Oh man I messed up the link. Sorry/oops. Clicking them still takes you to each post, mind you, so I'll presume you read everything?

Bold text is awesome you have no idea what you are talking about

In any case, my point still stands. I know that he isn't ignorant about the CSM process, which means he lied. Or 'misspoke,' I believe is the new way of saying that. Mentioning that isn't bull****, and the fact that all you have to counter my points is ad hominem infinitum.

No word on the Vuk Lau quote, either, but then that was something I heard in local chat, so who knows?

As for you including me in 'you goonies,' you couldn't be further from the truth :P

Questioning (not screaming at) Trebor told me what I wanted to know, and he didn't even have to answer my questions to do it :)

If you don't think this CSM election is the most important thing you've ever participated in then I don't know that you even deserve to vote. I presume you do though because you're willing to 'argue' your 'points' with a 'troll' Wink

What we will see on the 22nd is pretty much nothing to do with what does me good. What does me good is voting my conscience rather than being a blinkered idiot who votes as a bloc for a Goon Captain because she is told to, or for a guy who spins so much he has his own gravitational field because I HATE GOONIES GRR, which just means that we'll end up with another bunch of insufferable ****s instead of people who might actually do something decent. Welp.

Hephaestus nu
Posted - 2011.03.10 23:06:00 - [177]
 

I can't actually believe anyone around can take the fact of being member of CSM5 as a good point ...

I'm playing the game for 2 years and the game is only going worse, the time used by the dev on the request of the csm is for stupid update.

There's so many problems around (****ty insurance refunds, all the nullspace belongs to 4-5 alliances no space for any small pvp corp, the game is filled with botters, courrier missions were incredibly nerfed, low sec totally deserted due to lack of interest, caldari ship completely useless in pvp, the list doest end ...) , that i really wonder what was CSM5 exactly doing ? There is no way any member of the previous CSM is going to have my vote.

What did we actually get in this extension ???

1 year of work to get Incursions and a stupid PI revamp, nice job guys ...!



HeroInAHalfShell
Posted - 2011.03.10 23:21:00 - [178]
 

I looked it up:

Quote:

We never doubt that.

I must admit that on more then several occasions I wanted to punch Robert in the face, but his dedication with pinch of nerdish brilliance is making up for his complete lack of understanding of real EVE.

While talking about him, I must add that he was/is for sure most dedicated delegate of CSM 5 and CSM 6 will be blessed with him on board. What I also like about him is when I called bull**** on him, he accepted it for further discussion without going full ****** what can be expected from someone of his intelligence. One of the few delegates who have my vouch despite being utter 0.0 n00b.

EDIT: He also had affair in Reykjavik (when I say also it means there were more beside his and mazz's affair with certain GM).



From here

I don't really see what the fuss is here, other than Vuk Lau saying "his complete lack of understanding of real EVE"

Bomberlocks
Minmatar
CTRL-Q
Posted - 2011.03.10 23:38:00 - [179]
 

Originally by: ******AHalfShell
...
If you don't think this CSM election is the most important thing you've ever participated in then I don't know that you even deserve to vote.....


Quoted for hilarity. Very Happy

Deandra Walran
Posted - 2011.03.11 03:27:00 - [180]
 

Even though "TREBOR SUCKS", he's got my 2 votes.


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