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Daneel Trevize
Gallente
Posted - 2011.02.19 00:56:00 - [31]
 

Originally by: CCP Habakuk
I can promise anything
Sweet...

For xmas we got all faction stuff seeded for a few weeks, which made up for the then-recent AT ship stocking, and it didn't seem to take long to do at all. Sadly the next few mirrors still had these OP things and no good charges or half the larger faction ships. Regression test Razz

Terminal Entry
New Fnord Industries
Posted - 2011.02.19 00:58:00 - [32]
 

What, no more station camping of the combat system?! What are all those Titan pilots going to do now?

Iam Widdershins
Project Nemesis
Moar Tears
Posted - 2011.02.19 01:17:00 - [33]
 

Originally by: Terminal Entry
What, no more station camping of the combat system?! What are all those Titan pilots going to do now?

You best be trolling.

Question, GMs: With the changes to rules about podding, are field-effect warp disruptors (hictors, dictors, and mobile bubbles) now allowed in combat areas?

Also, will an effort to make commonly-used contract-only implants (see: Zor's Hyper-link, ~14 million isk) available to players for replacement?

CCP Habakuk

Posted - 2011.02.19 01:54:00 - [34]
 

Edited by: CCP Habakuk on 19/02/2011 01:56:29
Originally by: Daneel Trevize
Originally by: CCP Habakuk
I can promise anything
Sweet...


Fixed this "nice" typo... Twisted Evil

Originally by: Iam Widdershins

Question, GMs: With the changes to rules about podding, are field-effect warp disruptors (hictors, dictors, and mobile bubbles) now allowed in combat areas?

Indeed, they will be allowed (as I wrote in my last post). Bombs will also be allowed in combat areas, which were forbidden before (thanks to the caused poddings).

SamuraiJack
Celestial Horizon Corp.
Posted - 2011.02.19 02:28:00 - [35]
 

CCP Oneiromancer <3.

Her ban stick is a whip :P

/me wiggles ass at Oneiro :)

AnonyTerrorNinja
Minmatar
Atomic Geese
Posted - 2011.02.19 05:13:00 - [36]
 

I would like to request that a picture of the Scary Lady in leathers with a nerfbat be provided to better cement the rules in the minds of evildoers and douchebags, please.

Cresalle
Posted - 2011.02.19 05:57:00 - [37]
 

Here's a novel idea:

No rules on SiSi.

Bruce Destro
Posted - 2011.02.19 06:39:00 - [38]
 

the SISI player community should be able to vote on players to act as security guards, being able to insta-gibb someones ship or stuff them back in station, or just uber bump them out of an FFA or guideline. i for one would love, and respect, a responsibility such as this.

Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
Posted - 2011.02.19 06:43:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: Cresalle
Here's a novel idea:

No rules on SiSi.

Sisi is not a shoot-at-what-you-want environment.. it's a test-what-you-want-to-test environment WITHOUT disturbing others peoples tests.

@CCP, that will more or less render FD-MLJ obsolete I guess. Can you please keep an eye on population numbers for those two systems affected? Surely looks neat on a graph Twisted Evil

Also, that perma banning of accounts and alt-accounts.. it's not bound to the characters, right? So if somebody buys a char he always has access to Sisi, correct?
Like it. Clean solution.

While you're at it.. you might want to include the Singularity channel into the public channel list for Sisi and have the local channels in every system post a MOTD which links to the rules.

BeanBagKing
Terra Incognita
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2011.02.19 06:59:00 - [40]
 

Originally by: Iam Widdershins

Also, will an effort to make commonly-used contract-only implants (see: Zor's Hyper-link, ~14 million isk) available to players for replacement?


This, for pretty much all common faction items. I haven't been on sisi since faction ships got added to the market, but I hope things like Dramiels get seeded too. The sad part is, if you seeded EVERY item, there would always be one guy at the mass tests with a fully officer fit Machariel or something, which kinda ruins the idea of performing semi-realistic tests. On the other hand, these items are needed for people trying to test titans/moms, but contracts on sisi sell out in record time, because everyone knows they won't get replenished like they do on TQ...

Jason Edwards
Internet Tough Guy
Spreadsheets Online
Posted - 2011.02.19 07:40:00 - [41]
 

no mention of bombs, no mention of ffas, and podding allowed?

Venkul Mul
Gallente
Posted - 2011.02.19 07:41:00 - [42]
 

1) send a mass EVE-mail to all character on SISI with the rules after each mirror, so the players will maybe look them.

2) I suspect you will get exactly the opposite of the result you want. Most SISI gankers will say "See, we have got more lenient rules, let's continue till they are make even less restricting".

Everinsearch
Posted - 2011.02.19 07:56:00 - [43]
 

Edited by: Everinsearch on 19/02/2011 11:22:32
Have the rules popup when you select character at login.
Rules are good to show at login, and they can easily be changed to accommodate new types of duechbaggery. Very Happy

Ban Doga
Posted - 2011.02.19 09:16:00 - [44]
 

Some of those rules will probably create a nice new influx of requests.

The "don't do this too often" or "don't do this unless it's urgent" will create a multitude of interpretations and I'm absolutely confident that some people will intentionally test where you'll draw the line.

And some other people will watch very closely to see if you always draw it at the same point (which of course won't happen, when different people make that decision at different times).

Also:
Discouraged with no penalty for doing it anyway = go ahead and do it.

gunnar aztek
Gallente
Posted - 2011.02.19 11:30:00 - [45]
 

Edited by: gunnar aztek on 19/02/2011 11:31:37
Why not just add a little script that autobans on podkill on sisi.

You guys are smart, i'm sure you can do it :)

and then to "disable" that on yourself. evemail to some special user the nick of the user that will be podding you.

Kieron VonDeux
Posted - 2011.02.19 11:36:00 - [46]
 

It's impossible to make everyone happy, but at least the perma-ban is back as a perma-ban.

Good move on making an entire system FFA. Makes proving non-consent a bit easier, if it happens in a different system.

Podding rule makes good sense. Players should "know" to change their home station and then update their clone each time they get podded. Should be second nature really.
If someone decides to pod players enroute; at least a true perma-ban, on all accounts, is back.

Should make Sisi easier to manage overall. Probably take a few months to see the real results though; as perma-bans get handed out.

Patient 2428190
DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School
Posted - 2011.02.19 13:00:00 - [47]
 

Have bans translate from SiSi to TQ, or you are just wasting all your manpower enforcing rules that nobody has the incentive to actually follow

CCP Konflikt

Posted - 2011.02.19 13:47:00 - [48]
 

Originally by: Biomass MeNOW
Jeeeze, what is so difficult about it?
Just ask for a few volunteers to vet out complains, and intaban transgressors.



Because the time of the bug hunters (our volunteers) is best spent improving the experience on Tranquility by improving the quality of Eve Online through testing, not banning people who take the test server to be 'Eve Arcade Mode' with griefing.

Originally by: gunnar aztek
Edited by: gunnar aztek on 19/02/2011 11:31:37
Why not just add a little script that autobans on podkill on sisi.



Because pod-killing is a common mechanic that isn't tested on singularity right now and we want to replicate as close as possible real game play from TQ where possible.

Originally by: Bruce Destro
the SISI player community should be able to vote on players to act as security guards, being able to insta-gibb someones ship or stuff them back in station, or just uber bump them out of an FFA or guideline. i for one would love, and respect, a responsibility such as this.


You should now 'vote' against the people who you see are disrupting your time on singularity with your guns in most cases Twisted Evil.

The idea is for player vigilantism to be the preferred method of dealing with issues on the test server over dedicating the time of QA Testers and Bughunters to dealing with these issues.

Daneel Trevize
Gallente
Posted - 2011.02.19 14:09:00 - [49]
 

Also, what about wormholes, and to a lesser extend, non-market mods?

ATM all POS get nuked on mirroring, w-space is no exception, so anyone with their pve ships parked away can't test using them, and instead have to get moved/pod back to empire, so then there's no consistent place to find wormholes to run anomolies in as they aren't connected to their home and static.

Plus then they can only field t2 fits unless they join in the insurance-fraud + jita-contract-harvesting session right after a mirror, which is hugely biased towards those who can SD caps and supercaps.

Evil Incarn8
Amarr
Ministry of War
Posted - 2011.02.19 14:59:00 - [50]
 

If having the wrong ships in the wrong FFAs is such a problem, what stops you from using mission style acceleration gates with ship class limitations on them?

You just have a variety of the new deadspace zones that allow MWD usage but with no mission structures inside, I know mission mechanics are a strange and alien world to most of the PvP types on SiSi but this may provide some regulation to the ships accessing each FFA zone.

Evil.

Matalino
Posted - 2011.02.19 16:14:00 - [51]
 

Edited by: Matalino on 19/02/2011 16:22:00

To summarize the changes to the rules:
- The "non-consensual" combat testing site is being moved from FD-MLJ to 6-CZ49
- The beacons' ship class designations are now a suggestion rather than a de facto rule.
- Pod killing is now permitted because it is too much hassle to deal with offenders and prohibiting pod killing limits testing of other features.
- For all other systems on the test server it is business as usual: no non- consensual combat.
- A sticky thread will be created for ban requests to limit forum/petition spam
- Perma-ban means banned forever, not banned until you say your sorry.

Sounds good to me.


One little side note, with pod killing now permitted, can you double check that all types of implants are seeded on the market. There is no reason why medical clones cannot be kept up to date, but it may be diffucult to replace implants lost when pod killed if they are not seeded.

Obviously A TradeAlt
Posted - 2011.02.19 19:12:00 - [52]
 

This next mirror shall be interesting.

Also am I the only one that thinks that there will be a large number of deathstars next mirror?

Niveon
Posted - 2011.02.19 19:19:00 - [53]
 

Just you? Who's going to give a **** about POS on Sisi?

Obviously A TradeAlt
Posted - 2011.02.19 20:12:00 - [54]
 

Where else do you store your supers?

Niveon
Posted - 2011.02.19 21:46:00 - [55]
 

WTF are you raving on about? Rules 1 and 2. What's wrong with people just logging off anywhere in those things? Or leave them in an undefended POS? It's Sisi, not TQ.

Ralitge boyter
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.02.19 21:53:00 - [56]
 

Not all that Scary if you ask me Cool

Anyway rules look good though I think it might be a good idea to put them up as a message every time a person logs in to Sisi it stops the griefers form playing the stupid tldr card or didn't know that thigs where different bs...

Besides that looks like it is time to connect to Sisi and have a poke around there :)

Nika Dekaia
Posted - 2011.02.19 22:27:00 - [57]
 

Edited by: Nika Dekaia on 19/02/2011 22:36:05
6-CZ49 becoming the wild west and permabans actually beeing permabans sounds like a good solution.

As others have said, make everyone connecting to Sisi read the rules somehow and strictly ban (and permaban on second offence) anyone agressing without consent outside of 6-CZ49 and anyone agressing on gates and stations on 6-CZ49. Should weed out a large part of jerks or people not obeying the rules they should actually know.

Edit: mabye seeding one of the neighbouring systems to 6-CZ49 would be a good idea so people "seeking more orderly engagements" don't have to jump back and forth to an adjoining system in order to resupply - since all of 6-CZ49 will be FFA, even moons and planets will not be safe for testing.

Lord Viziam
GunStars
Posted - 2011.02.20 05:04:00 - [58]
 

Originally by: Daneel Trevize
Also, what about wormholes, and to a lesser extend, non-market mods?


Yes. If CCP wants Sisi to be more like tranquility, can you not wipe out our wormhole pos please? it would really help with testing changes in wormholes.

Drake Arson
Minmatar
Redicuously Awesome Winged Reptiles
Arson Industries
Posted - 2011.02.20 05:50:00 - [59]
 

Edited by: Drake Arson on 20/02/2011 05:57:38
CCP, Would it not be better if you created a small dedicated group of volunteers, sort of liek ISD, to monitor and enforce the rules, as well as help things like mass tests? This will be a group all on its own, like forum mod, cept on SISI only.

I wouldn't mind helpin out.

Mag's
the united
Negative Ten.
Posted - 2011.02.20 11:21:00 - [60]
 

Sounds good, let's hope this works.

/me wonders who will be the first perma ban player. Twisted Evil


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