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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2011.02.19 11:56:00 - [31]
 

Edited by: Akita T on 19/02/2011 12:05:05
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Originally by: Akita T
I've done that body weight loss thing in college before too, so it's not like it's a big deal (I just didn't feel like bothering, now I have a reason, heh).

Ah. I imagine this was before your time in EVE then?Razz

Yup, around 1999-2001 or thereabouts, when I was two thirds my current age but about the same weight Neutral

Originally by: Alpheias
I imagine that this grand epic heroic adventure of yours involves you not posting on forums anymore?Laughing

As you can see, surgery didn't, pain right now doesn't, so you'd think a lousy diet could do it ? Twisted Evil

Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Do you by any chance eat fatty foods often? I am just wondering whether that aggravates you to get gallstones in the first place.

Not particularly fatty, no. I mean, not noticeably more than the next average-weight guy.
The funny thing about the gallstone is that it was most likely formed during the period when I was losing weight heavily, as less bile was getting used (but still produced more or less normally, I suppose), therefore concentrated more, so higher chances to have stuff from it "crystallize", and once a kernel was formed, the rest just layered on slowly in time.

P.S. The gallstone was first detected at a family doctor checkup around 2004 (IIRC), and it was more elongated and slightly over 2 cm on the large side. The one they removed on Monday was egg-shaped and was nearly 4 cm big on the large side.
Again, the funny part, I was advised against surgery back then (I had regained some but not all of my weight very suddenly) because I was "too fat to safely remove it laparoscopically" (the tech was still relatively new and people not very experienced with it, nowadays they would have not bothered suggesting that) and they told me to lose some more weight THEN schedule the surgery if I want to, because there would be a good chance (being a single large stone and all) that if I keep a decent diet I might never actually NEED to remove it... so, I gained some weight instead, and occasionally obliterated any "safety protocols" diet-wise (the latest one being the trigger for this whole chain of events).

Alpheias
Euphoria Released
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2011.02.19 12:16:00 - [32]
 

Originally by: Akita T
Yup, around 1999-2001 or thereabouts, when I was two thirds my current age but about the same weight Neutral


Sounds like a unpleasantly true realization now that it has sunk in. All that time, all those extra kilos and for what?Twisted Evil

Originally by: Akita T
As you can see, surgery didn't, pain right now doesn't, so you'd think a lousy diet could do it ? Twisted Evil


But exercising and going on a healthy diet is something entirely different than being in pain and undergoing surgery, no?Twisted Evil

Nika Dekaia
Posted - 2011.02.19 12:33:00 - [33]
 

Get well soon.

Guess you'll have to make up a good war-story to go with that scar to tell your grandchildren one day.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2011.02.19 13:35:00 - [34]
 

Originally by: Alpheias
Sounds like a unpleasantly true realization now that it has sunk in. All that time, all those extra kilos and for what?Twisted Evil

How would the question and any answer be really fundamentally different if the situation was not about various bad health stuff but instead an entire life lead in exemplary wealth and a car accident from drunk driver while jogging in the early morning ? Twisted Evil
The only "unpleasant realization" about it is that it's going to be harder and more boring (because I've done it before, it's no big deal once you get the "healthy routine" going, it will just take a bit longer this time for the same results), so I might be tempted to just say "screw it, good enough so far, why keep bothering more" at an earlier inconvenient disturbance in the schedule.

dr doooo
Posted - 2011.02.19 16:34:00 - [35]
 

Get well soon, and here, have a virtual bag of grapes.
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Eating until your liver complains? That must have been some feast! Was that just a coincidence, or do the Docs really think that was the initial cause of the infection? Will you have to take any pills and potions long term to compensate for the missing gallbladder? Also, if I remember my schooling right, isn't the gallbladder something to do with processing fats in food? Are you going to have to change your diet?

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2011.02.19 18:57:00 - [36]
 

Originally by: dr doooo
Eating until your liver complains? That must have been some feast!

Not really. It was just three days in a rows with two portions of fries in each, rest just some sweet stuff.
My liver is extremely fatty to begin with nowadays (slow bile production) and the big gallbladder stone meant I also had a pretty small storage capacity.
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Was that just a coincidence, or do the Docs really think that was the initial cause of the infection?

Well, the "logic" described by the doctors was something like this... being heavily overweight and with a fatty liver, bile production was low, the gallstone took up much of the bile storage place, so whenever I actually did need larger quantities of bile (as opposed to next to none with my usual diet), the gallbladder would try to squeeze some out, would "hang" on the stone, sensing it's not empty and continue squeezing, causing a kind of cramp in the bile ducts which could spread to the stomach and intestine, blocking intestinal transit, causing bacteria to not get flushed out properly or whatnot, maybe even some microtears in the bile duct walls so infection from whatever was in the upper digestive tract could spread to the gallbladder...
...not that I buy it 100%, but it sounds at least halfway reasonable.
Doesn't really matter how exactly it happened, it WAS obviously triggered by a very "liver heavy" meal sequence after a very long period of "liver light" meals previously.
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Will you have to take any pills and potions long term to compensate for the missing gallbladder?

Not really.
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Are you going to have to change your diet?

Well, yes and no. Yes, it is highly recommended I change my diet so that other issues don't crop up (and there are many possible), and it would really help a lot if I lost more weight anyway regardless of other conditions... but no, I don't absolutely have to change my diet.
So, yes, I will change it but I don't have to.
I won't change it much since other than occasional outbursts of fatty and burned goodness on special occasions (and the constant tasty, tasty sugary treats to go alongside my coffee and cigarette) my meals were actually rather healthy (whenever I actually managed to have meals, that is, once or maybe twice on a good day, sometimes not at all some days) for the past few years, since the gallbladder issues first appeared.
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Also, if I remember my schooling right, isn't the gallbladder something to do with processing fats in food?

The gallbladder collects, concentrates and/or stores the bile (a.k.a. "gall") secreted by the liver to be released whenever you eat fatty stuff to let you digest fat. Not enough bile alongside fatty food means you simply end up passing it right out undigested... but unlike fiber, it has the exact opposite effect on stools.
So unless I eat fatty stuff in small enough quantities (so the liver has enough time to just secrete enough bile as the fatty food passes the stomach), I may end up with a small case of the runs... and if decide to I eat too much fat in general so that I don't get the "useful" fats out of anything (in spite of the constant need for adult diapers in that silly scenario), potentially some kind of nutritional defficiency.
BUT, eat too little fatty stuff (there's SOME fat in a lot of things) or both eat and drink too little in general so bile doesn't get diluted enough as it gets released right after the stomach exit, and in the long term, that could corrode intestinal lining and lead to ulcers or other worse stuff.

Evil Aye
Posted - 2011.02.19 19:33:00 - [37]
 

Edited by: Evil Aye on 19/02/2011 19:34:00
Here's to a speedy recovery. I've had major chest surgery. ugh Looked just like that, cept higher.

EDIT: Bright side. The **** will heal. Very Happy

Alpheias
Euphoria Released
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2011.02.19 19:37:00 - [38]
 

/mean mode on

Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Alpheias
Sounds like a unpleasantly true realization now that it has sunk in. All that time, all those extra kilos and for what?Twisted Evil

How would the question and any answer be really fundamentally different if the situation was not about various bad health stuff but instead an entire life lead in exemplary wealth and a car accident from drunk driver while jogging in the early morning ? Twisted Evil


The difference? It is much less embarassing than dying of cardiac arrest in front of your computer, with your undies at your ankles with your browser up with a dozen or so tabs, one to deviantart, the rest to dodgy sites with naked manga cartoons. And on top of that, you have started to smell really anti-social.

As morbid as it sounds, death from a drunken driver is a norm stastically in our time but I imagine in a few years time, if not already, the other will overtake and become the de facto cause of death, especially among fat people!Twisted Evil

Originally by: Akita T

The only "unpleasant realization" about it is that it's going to be harder and more boring (because I've done it before, it's no big deal once you get the "healthy routine" going, it will just take a bit longer this time for the same results), so I might be tempted to just say "screw it, good enough so far, why keep bothering more" at an earlier inconvenient disturbance in the schedule.



And that is why you gave up?Rolling Eyes

/mean mode off
and I will going to be nice from this moment on, you recovering from a surgical procedure and all... promise! :3

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2011.02.19 19:57:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: Alpheias
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inconvenient disturbance in the schedule
And that is why you gave up ?

Nah, more like depression combined with overworking... but that's a long and ancient story.
However, since you asked...
Condensed version, attempting to working two jobs at the same time, and one of the two demanding that I do the work of two people (and was also paying much worse than the other, and had LOUSY people as bossess), so it was basically almost three full time jobs, each of them stressful.
I never had time to walk anywhere it was just taxi everywhere, started drinking heavily (I mean, 3 beers a day minimum with stronger alcohool much more frequently and in large quantities), started doing some really stupid crap, gained 40 kilograms in half a year, quit the ugly job, stopped giving a crap in general, the "good" job got turned into a business but was starting to also suffer, I broke up with my GF (we're back together now but it's long distance since then), gained even more weight, got into a nasty fight with the people working for me and the apartmentmates, I ended up moving back to my home city alongside a single colleague to carry on the business, tried recruiting more people locally, trained several, none were particularly suitable and I was getting weary of bot the work and trying to teach it to others, stopped caring altogether and just handed over the business to the other coworker and quit doing ANYTHING productive for well over a year (just games, movies and forums all day long), living off of savings only before starting to give any damn at all anymore.

So, yeah, thechnically, I did quit living healthy (good food, plenty of exercise) because of an inconvenient disturbance in my schedule Wink

Organic Peanut Butter
Caldari
Hysteria Nexus
Posted - 2011.02.20 12:45:00 - [40]
 

Holy **** that scar is huge, was it really that necessary to open you up that much? :/

Im surprised at you tbh, I would have expected you to be a health freak.

Not to derail this too much but how is it I get open and free criticism daily because im 'too skinny' yet calling a person fat is considered insensitive and rude :S

I know you never reacted to the comments here but it really does annoy me that people can freely (in RL at least) go "omg you look so thin you should eat" freely.

However if I call a person fat its like "aww dude that mean, there was no need to say that" WTF?! its like last year when I lost a lot weight, my boss actually called me in her office and was like "are you ok, you look like you have lost a lot of weight and look exhausted all the time?". I look around and all I see are snorlaxes, so I think to myself "wtf when was it openly acceptable to intervene a person who is slim".

:RAGE:

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2011.02.20 13:13:00 - [41]
 

Dunno, never really considered any fat-related comments as proper insults, more like statements of fact :shrug:

Grimpak
Gallente
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
Posted - 2011.02.20 16:51:00 - [42]
 

it looks more like a chestburster will pop out any moment now

Alpheias
Euphoria Released
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2011.02.20 17:56:00 - [43]
 

Originally by: Grimpak
it looks more like a chestburster will pop out any moment now


Nah, its already in stinky plastic bag and goes by the name Sylvester Stallone.

AnonyTerrorNinja
Minmatar
Atomic Geese
Posted - 2011.02.20 17:59:00 - [44]
 

Edited by: AnonyTerrorNinja on 20/02/2011 18:00:37
Bwuaha, only noticed your thread now. :D

I find it kind of ironic that we both had 'painful abdominal issues' during roughly the same time given how I don't think we've ever not argued in a thread. Seems like I sent you the worst of mine, compounding on your issues and requiring surgery, though. Rolling Eyes

Hope you feel better soon. Razz

My Postman
Posted - 2011.02.21 10:53:00 - [45]
 

Dear Akita!

From 22nd to 23rd Dec. 2009 my body turned completley yellow from gallstones and i had to spend the next 8 days in hospital for removing them. So donŽt be too disapointed for a spoiled valentines day.

Anyway, they hadŽnt cut me open, but removed 7 or 8 of them through my mouth, which was a very pleasant feeling especially when narcotics didŽnt work 100% and i was half awake. (I could see the doctors monitor moving this thing around in my body \o/).

Get well soon.
Nice set of b**bies.
Lose some weight - as mentioned before, it helped me as well!

Organic Peanut Butter
Caldari
Hysteria Nexus
Posted - 2011.02.21 11:17:00 - [46]
 

Edited by: Organic Peanut Butter on 21/02/2011 11:20:41
I remember having liver pains about a year ago

Doctors were useless and never figured out what caused it, it wasnt gall stones but felt like it, and tests every other day I got a "we are not sure what the problem is, but we are going to blame it on you smoking" reply, which is funny since I dont smoke (exception is pot in a vaporiser but that is like once a year).

Although the symptoms were alot like gall stones, ultrasound, x-rays etc found nothing.

Anyway I am still pretty shocked at how big that scar is, decided to look at random gall bladder vids on youtube, saw this and this probably isnt what happened to you but looked pretty ****ed up.

LOL Laparoscopy Surgery is funny, you get a bottle stuck in you XD, but still his scar is smaller than yours.

I smell a lawsuit brewing Twisted Evil

PMolkenthin
TunDraGon
Posted - 2011.02.21 15:59:00 - [47]
 

Get well soon. Eat until your only 80% full. Buy some running shoes and an iPod, and get running. Also throw in some boxing training for fun and suprising rewards.

Zhim'Fufu
Posted - 2011.02.21 16:57:00 - [48]
 

Nice **** akita. Smile

Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
Posted - 2011.02.21 23:57:00 - [49]
 

oh boy, my liver has been acting up a bit lately. hopefully I won't be forced to post a similar set of pictures in the near future Laughing

but nice to see you are doing well.

Aquana Abyss
Posted - 2011.02.22 03:24:00 - [50]
 

An impressive set of man boobs to be sure.

Liang Nuren
Posted - 2011.02.22 07:38:00 - [51]
 

Edited by: Liang Nuren on 22/02/2011 07:47:54
Gonna leave this here:
http://rocwieler.com/2011/02/18/campaign-trail-weight-loss/
http://www.c25k.com/
http://runkeeper.com/home

Also, I've lost (down from 285 pounds) 50+ pounds and 6" off my waist since June of last year. Gearing up for a triathlon in June and hoping my recent bicycle injury didn't jack up my chances at doing well. You too can do this. Anyone can. :)

-Liang

Ed: I am glad you are ok BTW. You should get a public Runkeeper account and let us all hold you accountable to run!

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2011.02.22 08:04:00 - [52]
 

Well, I'm forbiddden from doing any heavy lifting for up to 3 months... and my belly almost qualifies as heavy lifting, so probably no sports for a while, much less running.

At least I stopped smoking shortly before the surgery Twisted Evil
Not absolutely sure when, but I think on the 9th or 10th of February.
Haven't restarted yet (used to be a pack++/day smoker too, since the early college years), and don't plan to in the very near future, but long term, after the incision mostly heals... no idea.

Right now I'd be ecstatic if I could manage to stand for a few minutes without a corsage-like tension wrap and not collapse into a crying heap, or better still, if I could only manage to sleep on my side as opposed to only on my back and only at an angle (made with pillows).
Razz

Liang Nuren
Posted - 2011.02.22 08:13:00 - [53]
 

Oh I know - you can't do anything for a little while. But you really should Get Healthy when the wound heals up and the doctors clear you to move again.

-Liang

Mag's
the united
Negative Ten.
Posted - 2011.02.22 09:15:00 - [54]
 

Glad to see you recovering well, that is one large stone.
I have a 3 inch scar on my abdomen, so not quite the size of yours.

Get well soon. Cool

Star NL
Posted - 2011.02.22 09:59:00 - [55]
 

Hi Akita,

I don't really know you but you seem to be well liked from what I can gather Cool

I wish you a speedy recovery.

Thanks for sharing - was quite an interesting read...

Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
Posted - 2011.02.22 21:03:00 - [56]
 

Originally by: Akita T
P.S. I've done that body weight loss thing in college before too, so it's not like it's a big deal (I just didn't feel like bothering, now I have a reason, heh).



That is the RL translation of "I don't care, I didn't want that kill/ship/mod/money anyway" into "I don't care, I didn't want that extended lifespan anyway"

Roc Wieler
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2011.02.22 21:08:00 - [57]
 

I'm really glad to hear you're ok, and also that others posting similar stories recovered well.

Recovery is often about a lasting change in lifestyle. That can be difficult despite our best intentions.

If anyone here, or anyone you know, would like some down to earth fitness advice, I do feature fitness on my blog, in addition to EVE related stuff.


Zhim'Fufu
Posted - 2011.02.25 05:04:00 - [58]
 

Originally by: Bumblefck
Originally by: Akita T
P.S. I've done that body weight loss thing in college before too, so it's not like it's a big deal (I just didn't feel like bothering, now I have a reason, heh).



That is the RL translation of "I don't care, I didn't want that kill/ship/mod/money anyway" into "I don't care, I didn't want that extended lifespan anyway"
As much as I hate to admit it: Yeah, pretty much.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2011.02.28 14:44:00 - [59]
 

Had the stitches removed today.
Apparently, I had 15 stitches, one was hidden *inside* the bellybutton. Ouch. That one is the most obnoxious right now.
Such a WEIRD feeling... wouldn't call it "pain", but it's close, and really uncomfortable. Some weird mix of one part light pain, one part tension//torsion and one part tiredness (for lack of a better word to describe the sensation).
Got a few hours of sleep afterwards, but the weird sensation still persists, especially where the bellybutton stitch was removed... as if the bellybutton is trying to turn from an innie in an outie (yuck).

My Postman
Posted - 2011.03.01 15:55:00 - [60]
 

IŽve seen youŽve been (a bit more) active on forums.

Again, recover soon and get well.


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