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Marenteius
Caldari
Red Coats
Posted - 2011.02.15 02:56:00 - [1]
 

Ya know, today was NOT a good day for me. I managed to walk into a stupid situation, get surrounded and webbed/scrambled by a crapload of rouge drones, and was utterly unable to prevent the loss of my ship, the Caracal class ship Laevatein. Now, being a Capsuleer, even a new one, this was hardly a crippling blow. Indeed, within the hour i had bought, outfitted, and launched Laevatein Zwei, and used the knowledge i gained from my mistake to exterminate the hive and reclaim the wreckage of my ship.

It occured to me afterwards though, that a portion of the crew of the Laevatein never called on me to settle or renew their contracts. Upon checking the blackbox in the ships wreckage, i found that around 700 crewmen had failed to escape the explosion of my ship. My Stupidity led them to their deaths.

Now obviously there is nothing i can do to change their fate, but i figure they shouldn't be forgotten, nor should any of our lost crews. So here this thread comes: If you have lost crew, no matter the circumstances, feel free to post the story of their deaths and a little in memorium for their memories. Alliegeances don't matter. Simply a desire to make sure that the unsung members of the Capsuleer empires are remembered,

In Memory of the 700 lost crewmembers who died on the Laevatein. May their lives be remembered, may their fate be a lesson to me.

Medarr
Amarr
Ghost Festival
Naraka.
Posted - 2011.02.15 04:47:00 - [2]
 

what were you doing with 700 crew members on board? selling them as slaves? My cruiser has far less crew members... its due to the Capsuleer pods.. they made full crews redundant.

Sinjin Mokk
Stillwater Corporation
Posted - 2011.02.15 05:29:00 - [3]
 

Over the Holy Days, I was able to spend some time on my homeworld, visiting family and old friends.

My House has set aside a portion of land for the interment of those who have died in service to our House and Kingdom. Before I became a capsuleer, the amount of graves for those who have died under my command was small. Even though I fly with the minimum crew needed to effectively operate my ships, I was alarmed to see how much larger the memorial is. It was…sobering.

I take heart in that these brave people are assured a place with God for their sacrifice. All the same, I try to make sure that no one under my command, be they hired or slave, officer or enlisted die without good reason. Even though our crews know the risk, it is our responsibility to minimize that risk.



CCP Spitfire


C C P
C C P Alliance
Posted - 2011.02.15 07:11:00 - [4]
 

OOC comment removed.


Tess Durbeyfield
Minmatar
Hell's Cheerleaders
Posted - 2011.02.15 11:09:00 - [5]
 

I only ever hire slavers for my crews. That way, the cloud of losing a ship always has a silver lining Cool

Tigerfish Torpedo
Underworld Protection Agency
Fatal Ascension
Posted - 2011.02.15 12:40:00 - [6]
 

Only 700 crewmen died? This may sound a little harsh my young friend, but when you start playing with capital ships, you're responsible for tens of thousands of lives.

Take for example the last ship that I lost. From my three thousand enlisted crew, roughly twelve hundred survived the initial explosion. It's a shame really, but their failure in keeping my ship in one piece regretably forced me to execute every last one of them! Oh well, c'est la vie.

I don't tollerate failure.

Tigerfish.
UPAY CEO, Sani Sabik.

Revan Neferis
Amarr
Propaganda Due
Posted - 2011.02.15 13:01:00 - [7]
 

Edited by: Revan Neferis on 15/02/2011 13:01:36
Originally by: Tigerfish Torpedo
Take for example the last ship that I lost. From my three thousand enlisted crew, roughly twelve hundred survived the initial explosion. It's a shame really, but their failure in keeping my ship in one piece regretably forced me to execute every last one of them! Oh well, c'est la vie.

I don't tollerate failure.

Tigerfish.
UPAY CEO, Sani Sabik.


You make me proud Prathet. Very Proud.

RN
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik

Marenteius
Caldari
Red Coats
Posted - 2011.02.15 14:56:00 - [8]
 

hmmm, yeah, i know that 700 crew lost is a drop in the bucket for you older pilots, but for a new guy like me, its a bit more unpleasent to deal with. As to your execution... well, if its their fault the ship was lost, then i suppose they deserved it. In my case it was my own bloody fault, so new killing the survivors this time.

Istvaan Shogaatsu
Caldari
Guiding Hand Social Club
Posted - 2011.02.15 18:10:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Marenteius
hmmm, yeah, i know that 700 crew lost is a drop in the bucket for you older pilots, but for a new guy like me, its a bit more unpleasent to deal with. As to your execution... well, if its their fault the ship was lost, then i suppose they deserved it. In my case it was my own bloody fault, so new killing the survivors this time.


You know that pain you feel right now? The guilt, I mean... it's a gnawing thing in your gut, kinda like being hungry but eating doesn't fix it.

Relativity does. The nature of our business is such, that being stuck planetside for a lifetime can earn a fraction of the money one earns during a single tour of duty aboard one of our death-traps. Danger pay, or some such. For many it's an acceptable risk, even factoring in the abysmal mortality rate offworld.

That means that at any given time, there are billions of people just itching to get to the stars. Out of those billions, millions will die. Out of those millions, you will be responsible for a portion - at least until you and every capsuleer in New Eden is flying T3, which has minimal crew requirements. The 700 you just got killed will seem like a drop in the bucket once you're responsible for 7,000 - and the scale just keeps escalating. You might find yourself ambushed someday, and through a stroke of luck and good equipment, manage to fend off the attackers - and realize only after the fact, that you wiped out enough people to match the population of the town you grew up in. It happens.

You should probably say goodbye to your humanity though. You're not one of those disposable little things anymore, and shackling yourself to their value system will only drive you insane.

Marenteius
Caldari
Red Coats
Posted - 2011.02.15 21:19:00 - [10]
 

None of that information is lost to me you know... I'm perfect aware that in the grand shceme of things, crew on our ships are more or less a disposable resource. As to my humanity, i gave up most of it long ago, the rest when i found out my brother died at the Tama Incursion. It doesn't change the fact that these unfortunate beings died under my command, nor does it change the fact that i could have done better. Frankly, this whole thing was just meant as a memorium to respect the little guys without whom our bigger ships would be nigh impossible to handle. It wasn't an attempt to sound like a grieving widow.

Half Cocked Jack
Posted - 2011.02.16 03:01:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Tigerfish Torpedo
Only 700 crewmen died? This may sound a little harsh my young friend, but when you start playing with capital ships, you're responsible for tens of thousands of lives.

Take for example the last ship that I lost. From my three thousand enlisted crew, roughly twelve hundred survived the initial explosion. It's a shame really, but their failure in keeping my ship in one piece regretably forced me to execute every last one of them! Oh well, c'est la vie.

I don't tollerate failure.

Tigerfish.
UPAY CEO, Sani Sabik.


Given the sacrifice of efficiency necessary to support crew survival systems on a capital vessel in the first place, I assume you saved the twelve hundred specifically so that you could give them a more poignantly personal farewell? I must confess a gnawing curiosity concerning the variety of your methods.

Vikarion
Caldari
State Trade Consortium
Posted - 2011.02.16 04:51:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Tigerfish Torpedo
Only 700 crewmen died? This may sound a little harsh my young friend, but when you start playing with capital ships, you're responsible for tens of thousands of lives.

Take for example the last ship that I lost. From my three thousand enlisted crew, roughly twelve hundred survived the initial explosion. It's a shame really, but their failure in keeping my ship in one piece regretably forced me to execute every last one of them! Oh well, c'est la vie.

I don't tollerate failure.


How very foolish of you.

Even if you have no concern for the lives of your crew - and I do not say that you should - executing crew members because they could not prevent your ship from exploding is to take experienced and knowledgeable individuals and throw them away. From the standpoint of efficiency, or even of accumulating individual power, destroying a useful resource is not wise.

After all, your crew have great motivation to do their best any time they go out with you: if they fail, they have (on average) a 30% chance of dying when the ship explodes. If they succeed, they complete a tour of duty and most likely retire rich. Fairly hefty incentives and disincentives. And you, as well, have a great motivation to preserve experienced crew: crew members who survive ship destruction and understand what occurs in the process of ship destruction will be able to serve you better.

So, since you are a Sani Sabik, seeking, I suppose, both power and wealth, I am rather surprised to see you throw away a resource so casually.


Tigerfish Torpedo
Underworld Protection Agency
Fatal Ascension
Posted - 2011.02.16 11:52:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: Tigerfish Torpedo on 16/02/2011 11:54:47

Originally by: Half ****ed Jack
I assume you saved the twelve hundred specifically so that you could give them a more poignantly personal farewell? I must confess a gnawing curiosity concerning the variety of your methods.


The variety of my methods? If you genuinely have a ‘gnawing curiosity’ about the manner in which I dispense discipline on my vessels, you have only to ask. I take pride in having Underworld Protection Agency’s flagship – the Indefatigable – crewed by nothing but the very finest personnel. For every crewman killed in action, or executed at my hand, there will always be an eager young man or women to take their place. I have no place on my ships for incompetence, nor within my fleet. Only last week we executed a capsuleer within my service for losing a ship in an undignified manner. Is my manner a little too extreme? Who knows.

Originally by: Vikarion
How very foolish of you.

You as well have a great motivation to preserve experienced crew: crew members who survive ship destruction and understand what occurs in the process of ship destruction will be able to serve you better.

So, since you are a Sani Sabik, seeking, I suppose, both power and wealth, I am rather surprised to see you throw away a resource so casually.


Mr Vikarion,

Like most members of the Sani Sabik, I already have more than enough wealth to provide for my future plans and eventual retirement – let’s face it, you don’t commission a super capital without the means to cover its loss! As a Sani Sabik elder and personal Prathet to the Thrice Illustrious Sovereign; Shiras Revan Neferis, I already have enough power to ensure that anything I require is carried out swiftly! You should not, therefore, be surprised when I have my surviving crew flushed into space!

As to your comment that crewmen sign on to become rich following a tour of duty, I feel I must enquire as to whether you genuinely believe that following the loss of a capital ship, the surviving crew members are to be rewarded? Surely you’re not trying to imply that I actually pay them anything for providing yet another drain on my resources? If my crew members are fearful for their lives, they won’t fail me! It’s really that simple.

I would suggest a stronger disciplinary procedure on any ship that suffers less than perfect efficiency!

Vikarion
Caldari
State Trade Consortium
Posted - 2011.02.17 04:10:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Tigerfish Torpedo


Mr Vikarion,

Like most members of the Sani Sabik, I already have more than enough wealth to provide for my future plans and eventual retirement – let’s face it, you don’t commission a super capital without the means to cover its loss! As a Sani Sabik elder and personal Prathet to the Thrice Illustrious Sovereign; Shiras Revan Neferis, I already have enough power to ensure that anything I require is carried out swiftly! You should not, therefore, be surprised when I have my surviving crew flushed into space!

As to your comment that crewmen sign on to become rich following a tour of duty, I feel I must enquire as to whether you genuinely believe that following the loss of a capital ship, the surviving crew members are to be rewarded? Surely you’re not trying to imply that I actually pay them anything for providing yet another drain on my resources? If my crew members are fearful for their lives, they won’t fail me! It’s really that simple.

I would suggest a stronger disciplinary procedure on any ship that suffers less than perfect efficiency!



How very interesting. How very interesting indeed. I should very much like to examine that brain of yours.

Perhaps, one day, I shall have the opportunity.


Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
Posted - 2011.02.25 17:16:00 - [15]
 

Your ship is dead


and bumble is all the richer

Marenteius
Caldari
Red Coats
Posted - 2011.02.26 08:53:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Bumblefck
Your ship is dead


and bumble is all the richer


I'm pretty sure 'Bumble' didn't benefit at all from my loss... in fact, i'm totally sure, considering that i recovered everything that was intact or salvagable from the debris...

Michwich
Posted - 2011.02.26 09:48:00 - [17]
 

Dont be so hard on yourself capsuleer. As the captain of your ship it is commendable of you to take ultimate responsibility for their welfare and mourn their loss. However remember, the fine crew you assembled volunteered to fight for the cause, they knew the rewards of success and the price of failure. They did not die in vain and the valuable lessons learned from their deaths will do nothing but help further you and your peoples cause. Those who werent killed, are now stronger, battle hardened, and will serve you well. Good luck.

Alica Wildfire
Minmatar
Federal Investigations Agency
Posted - 2011.02.26 10:46:00 - [18]
 

Edited by: Alica Wildfire on 26/02/2011 13:01:02
I can't say how you crew your ship, but the 700 crewmen is looking a bit too high. The Rupture cruiser has a standard crew of 290. The Bellicose has 180, the Caracal class cruiser has 227 standard crewmen when the data on my sheets are right.

So your losses are not that high as you say if you didn't had the cargo full of additional crew.

And Tigerfish Torpedo, you are a moron to kill your crew for something where you clearly failed miserably as a capsuleer and captain. And you should stop using boosters. Look! Even Revan Neferis finds your ways so nice that she is giving applause. And even a brain dead like you should know that he's doing something terrible wrong when that happens. Mercy me if I once shall get Revans applause on something I do.

I just hope I get your pod one day. I might consider… ah I don't think so. I'll hang it up on my wall of trophies together with the head of a fish.

If maiming and executing your crew is the only way to satisfy yourself you should visit a doctor to work on your sexual disorder. There are medicaments that shall work on specimen like you. Impotence can be cured, man. No need to freak out. That kind of thing happen to some men. Don't hang down your head. You are great. You are a real warrior. Girls appreciate you. Really. Look at yourself! And it even might be that your hanging dingelongdong is coming from all the crash you have pushed into your brains on that Neferis parties.

Trust me. Doctors can help you. No need to freak out, man.

But… wait. You are Sani Sabik, aren't you? So it's totally not your fault that you failed. It is not the failure of your crew. It is just that your blood is not good enough. Perfect blood doesn't accept failure. Isn't it like this? And is it this why you executed your men for your fail?

Ah. That's great. So simply great. You are so superior that it can't be your fault when you miserably get shot up like a newbie that fits armorplates on a Carrier. It's totally your crew I understand.

If it is like this, then, I suppose - your career is over? There is nothing you can do to compensate this. You just try to push the black peter on someone that can't defense himself anymore, say, your murdered crew.

Man, that's poor. If this is what your best are made of, well, good luck. You'll need it.

Greatness is a constant. You see it in the victory you see it in defeat. I don't see it at all on you. But still, you have your blood. It's better than nothing isn't it?

Tigerfish Torpedo
Underworld Protection Agency
Fatal Ascension
Posted - 2011.02.26 13:45:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Alica Wildfire
Tigerfish Torpedo, you are a moron... I just hope I get your pod one day. I might consider… ah I don't think so. I'll hang it up on my wall of trophies together with the head of a fish.


I can honestly admit to being shocked by your sudden outburst! You're such an angry little, if not slightly pretty woman. A real firebrand! Tell me, what did I do to upset you this much? You know nothing of my ways, nor those of the Lady Neferis. I've never taken Crash, not once during my time as a Sani Sabik!

Examine my combat record, Alica, and you'll see that my methods work flawlessly! In fact, instead of criticising the way in which I conduct business aboard my ships, why don't you attempt to come claim what you really crave? My corpse for your trophy collection. Prove to me that my crew are any less efficient than your happy-to-be-alive, smiley, secure team of valued and dedicated officers!

Alica Wildfire, the voice of the lesser mortal! Instead of hating me over my ideals, why don't you come and join me for dinner one evening aboard my flagship. I'll even have one of my more valued silk slaves serve us! Just think... You could slip a blade into my throat then and there!

I await your answer.

Tigerfish.

Alica Wildfire
Minmatar
Federal Investigations Agency
Posted - 2011.02.26 14:40:00 - [20]
 

Edited by: Alica Wildfire on 26/02/2011 14:56:54
Alica blushes when she turns on coms again. Her skin is pale and her hair is a sweat drenched mess. She is obviously very sick.

I excuse my outburst. I am a bit hotheaded when it comes to killing crewmen. And I did not intend to threaten your life. Whatever my situation with Revan Neferis is, is a personal thing. It has nothing to do with Sani Sabik. I do not wish to shed blood. I do not fear her or anyone that is coming for a fight neither. But I would never fire a first shot, because I do not fire on neutrals if I am not forced to or very very bored. Or the neutrals do something very very stupid. Or… I have a regrettable weapons malfunction.

She shrugs.

Can happen on Minmatar ships. So what? This is something good CONCORD standing will buffer. But as far as I see there are affiliations with The Star Fraction which I consider blue to me.

I would like to accept your invitation, but I do not comply to your acts against your crewmen. And I don't think I will cut your throat with my dagger if you do not force your luck too much. I was never too proud to apologize for one of my outbursts and this I do.

It's my nature to fire first and check later. See, my crewmen are doing well. I keep them together as a team. They move from ship to ship, get reinforcements when I suffer losses but I treat them fair and everybody is free to go when his contracted time is out. Most of my crew extend their contract on my ships on a regular basis. If they survive their time of duty. I don't understand that and give the advise to take the money and go, but some stay.

Some go and do family and stuff. They never failed me but I sometimes failed them. Because I'm proud. Because I don't fear anything. This leads to situations that cost lives. I was doing my duty for our Militia against the slavers as a tackler and still I am on rank three of all time frigate losses on my Militia. This should give an idea of the dedication I was doing my duty. My life got a lot cheaper when I moved to cruisers after that. They are a bit more expensive but they don't pop on first contact either.

"Ninja kill", they called me. I always attacked. Always.

So, to your invitation. I'm flattered by that and it comes unexpected. But it's a long time since I last time met a man that was tough enough to dare to ask me for a date. And I respect this. And you will have your date. Just let me recover from this ****ty flu first, which is making me not a good conversation, besides the fact that armed guards will stop me if I try to leave my quarters not to speak of my corpmates.

I owe you this date for some of the insults I was putting on you. I hope you accept that. Your combat records are without blame. I can't find you killing one of my militia comrades but not killing one of the Amarrian crusaders too.

You are a pirate of cause. But I accept freedom if that does not interfere with our ongoing campaign. You protect your home. I can understand that.

Wait till I'm over this flu. Autocannons still spinning on that.


 

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