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Ademaro Imre
Caldari
Posted - 2011.02.14 22:14:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Ademaro Imre on 14/02/2011 22:16:12

I am looking to buy a hard drive for backing up, and a hard drive to back that up with.

Seems that WD always comes out on top for reviews, but are WD drives really better than other competitors such as Seagate? I wonder if non-WD makers pull more negative feedback because WD is more popular, and when there is a problem, buyer's remorse sets in, and problems with WD are just "expected," as part of the expected % of drive failures, and negative feedback is lessened.


Alpheias
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Posted - 2011.02.14 22:33:00 - [2]
 

I prefer WD drivers myself and while WD has and likely will have issues in the past, I have had no problems RMA the ones that suffer from failures.

Scorpyn
Caldari
Infinitus Odium
Posted - 2011.02.14 23:29:00 - [3]
 

That'd probably depend more on the disk than the manufacturer. Longer warranty = better.

I used 4 WD 10krpm disks with 5 year warranty for about 7 years or so before I replaced them (at which point they didn't actually need to be replaced, but I wanted a quiet computer).

The seagate disks I've had degraded faster, but otoh they didn't come with a 5 year warranty.

Rawr Cristina
Caldari
Naqam
Posted - 2011.02.14 23:44:00 - [4]
 

Edited by: Rawr Cristina on 15/02/2011 01:12:03
I used to only buy Seagate

but after this fiasco was allowed to happen and the problems it caused me, you couldn't pay me to own one of their drives.

So now I buy WD. Have a 2TB Internal and 1TB portable external and have been very happy with both.


edit: TB not GB Embarassed

Grimpak
Gallente
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
Posted - 2011.02.15 01:05:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Rawr Cristina
I used to only buy Seagate

but after this fiasco was allowed to happen and the problems it caused me, you couldn't pay me to own one of their drives.

So now I buy WD. Have a 2GB Internal and 1GB portable external and have been very happy with both.
you still use single digit GB drives?Razz


but yes, seagate were awesome in terms of sturdy drives, until the 7200.11 ones.
they did fixed that and their reliability went up afterwards the fiasco, but the damage was done.

WD atm are relatively good. they have a good lineup with interesting offers for each segment. The caviar green series are interesting as a storage solution due to their low energy consumption, altho it's highly inadvisable to use them as primary HD's, not because their speed (for a "green" drive they are actually fast), but because they tend to enter in "power saving" mode quite fast, compared to others.

TimMc
Brutal Deliverance
Gypsy Band
Posted - 2011.02.15 02:04:00 - [6]
 

How do Hitatchi compare to WD and seagate? I've been using their drives for years.

Alpheias
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Posted - 2011.02.15 02:53:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: TimMc
How do Hitatchi compare to WD and seagate? I've been using their drives for years.


Honestly, I find them a little overpriced compared to the performance\size\cost of WD drives (can't say anything about the Seagates).

You could always inquire over at storagereview.com if you are curious.

Hooooooorza Darksun
Posted - 2011.02.15 04:04:00 - [8]
 

Hitachi are (relatively) garbage.

What you should be asking yourself is, "Why am I not buying a Samsung drive?"

Basically entirely the same as their WD counterparts, speed, failure rate, etc, and a bit cheaper with a shorter warranty.

I just put one into my GF's computer, fast as hell. Contemplating buying a TB drive for myself, and been debating between WD and Samsung.

Baroness Kassandra
Caldari
The Einherji
Supernova Federation
Posted - 2011.02.15 09:34:00 - [9]
 

My old Seagates are ~8-9 years old and still work like a charm. I was not aware of that bug Rawr mentioned, but since that was 2009 I can only assume they have fixed it now. Stuff like that can happen to anyone really, even tho it totally sucks.

Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
Posted - 2011.02.15 11:50:00 - [10]
 

I always buy WD internal drives. The one time I had a problem, they replaced the entire set of 4 drives, even though only 1 had a problem, completely at their expense.

As for external, avoid WD. I've seen so many of those things randomly fail. I used to stick with Maxtor for external, but haven't bought one in ages since I started using a NAS, so I don't know how good they are these days.

Riedle
Minmatar
Paradox Collective
Posted - 2011.02.15 13:14:00 - [11]
 

Toshiba is a world leader in SSD. Mostly in enterprise. But their consumer one's are supposed to be very good and quite fast.

YouShouldntEatIt
Caldari
Interstellar Waste Management Committee
Posted - 2011.02.15 20:00:00 - [12]
 

I'm actually having this exact problem. Im building a media server, and I initially purchased a Seagate barracuda 7200.11 ST31500341AS model, because it was 70 bucks. I normally go with Western Digital (because i love them) but the only comparable drive in terms of price is the caviar green, and i've heard these are slow.

at this point (after reading about the failrate fiasco with seagate and the realization that my model number is only 2 numbers off of the ones that failed), i plan on returning the seagate and buying the caviar green

is this the best move? will i be making a mistake buy switching to a lower rpm drive on a whim that my seagate may fail spectacularly?

Barakkus
Posted - 2011.02.15 20:53:00 - [13]
 

Don't go with segate. Over the last 20 years or so, they've made nothing but crap. Long ago, you couldn't actually slave a segate to another drive that was from another manufacturer, on top of which, they just didn't play nice with other vendors in the same system.

Their SCSI drives used to be good but they were 2-3x more expensive, for no reason really.

I used to stick with Maxtor because WD was actually **** back in the day and Segate was too problematic for the price. WD has actually come a long way imo in terms of quality.

Grimpak
Gallente
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
Posted - 2011.02.16 01:48:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: YouShouldntEatIt
I'm actually having this exact problem. Im building a media server, and I initially purchased a Seagate barracuda 7200.11 ST31500341AS model, because it was 70 bucks. I normally go with Western Digital (because i love them) but the only comparable drive in terms of price is the caviar green, and i've heard these are slow.

at this point (after reading about the failrate fiasco with seagate and the realization that my model number is only 2 numbers off of the ones that failed), i plan on returning the seagate and buying the caviar green

is this the best move? will i be making a mistake buy switching to a lower rpm drive on a whim that my seagate may fail spectacularly?


well first of all, the seagate HD can be fixed with a firmware update. check website, but if it's not the faulty models, you're safe.

second, WD caviar green isn't really for boot drive. It works very well as a storage drive, but it sucks for boot since it has a nasty power saving feature where it varies it's speed fro 7200rpm to 5400rpm, or even go into standby mode to save power. If you don't read the WD support forums, you would even think that the drive is biting the dust with all the spinup-spindown noises it does.

PMolkenthin
TunDraGon
Posted - 2011.02.16 08:19:00 - [15]
 

I use a WD Velociraptor, and I'm 100% happy with it. I do also have a WD External USB powered HD that I use for backups, which ****ed up last time I backed up. I lost a whole bunch of photos from a trip to Amsterdam (which is probably a good thing).

Verone
Gallente
Veto Corp
Posted - 2011.02.16 17:54:00 - [16]
 

I wouldn't take Seagate hard disks if they were given to me for free to be honest. Noisy, unreliable and badly built.

They're absolutely terrible. I've been running Samsung Spinpoint F1 and F3 drives for a couple of years now, they're flawless.


Ademaro Imre
Caldari
Posted - 2011.02.16 19:43:00 - [17]
 

Thanks for comments. I never thought of comparing warranty terms, I should have known to look at that as the company's own confidence level in their product.

Right now, I do have a Seagate Barracuda 500 gB single platter drive. Haven't had any problems, and it is fast and quiet. HD Tune says the average transfer is about 100mb/s. My external backup drives are WD. But because of WD external drive enclosure failures, I am buying my own enclosures to replace them all and new drives as I need them, and buying a couple terrabytes to double backup everything.

WD external drives are the same as their internal drives, they just have terrible enclosures and will not even put esata ports on drives capable of it. WD does not even offer any external drives with eSATA ports on the enclosures anymore (even on drives without USB 3.0 that are capable of SATA). I can't make sense of this, so I have lost some in confidence in WD, as they might have concluded their eSATA ports and suppliers may be defective.

Zhim'Fufu
Posted - 2011.02.16 22:10:00 - [18]
 

You might also want to look into a caching controller card. It takes over from the motherboard chipset and has additional memory to intelligently cache the data it thinks you will need loaded. This can make even slower 5400rpm drives seem like an ssd for normal tasks but will of course be limited to the drives sustained speed for large transfers. Anyways for eve it make session changes where large amounts of ships need to be loaded almost instant on my older 7200rpm sata II wd lag willing.

Barakkus
Posted - 2011.02.16 22:18:00 - [19]
 

If I'm not mistaken the drive recovered from the Columbia incident in 2003 was a segate: http://www.ontrackdatarecovery.com/space-shuttle-data-recovered/ none of those articles say it, but I do remember reading it was a segate drive somewhere Laughing

YouShouldntEatIt
Caldari
Interstellar Waste Management Committee
Posted - 2011.02.17 01:20:00 - [20]
 

Edited by: YouShouldntEatIt on 17/02/2011 01:20:03
Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: YouShouldntEatIt
I'm actually having this exact problem. Im building a media server, and I initially purchased a Seagate barracuda 7200.11 ST31500341AS model, because it was 70 bucks. I normally go with Western Digital (because i love them) but the only comparable drive in terms of price is the caviar green, and i've heard these are slow.

at this point (after reading about the failrate fiasco with seagate and the realization that my model number is only 2 numbers off of the ones that failed), i plan on returning the seagate and buying the caviar green

is this the best move? will i be making a mistake buy switching to a lower rpm drive on a whim that my seagate may fail spectacularly?


well first of all, the seagate HD can be fixed with a firmware update. check website, but if it's not the faulty models, you're safe.

second, WD caviar green isn't really for boot drive. It works very well as a storage drive, but it sucks for boot since it has a nasty power saving feature where it varies it's speed fro 7200rpm to 5400rpm, or even go into standby mode to save power. If you don't read the WD support forums, you would even think that the drive is biting the dust with all the spinup-spindown noises it does.


I plan on using my 150gb velociraptor as my boot drive. Because newegg rocks (i emailed them asking how the return process would work, and they gave me a RMA number, waived the restocking fee, AND gave me a free shipping label back to their warehouse) i decided to trust my brand and buy the caviar green. lets hope my faith in western digital is well placed now :)

Haydee Onna
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2011.02.17 08:00:00 - [21]
 

For internal drives, I only buy WD and have never had a problem with them.

For external drives, however, almost every WD I or my friends/family have bought has died within a few years. Can't say if Seagate is any better though...

Alpheias
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Posted - 2011.02.17 08:26:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Verone
I wouldn't take Seagate hard disks if they were given to me for free to be honest. Noisy, unreliable and badly built.

They're absolutely terrible. I've been running Samsung Spinpoint F1 and F3 drives for a couple of years now, they're flawless.




Not a fan of Samsung myself, find their drives to be like their price point; cheap and rubbish in every aspect.


 

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