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the raver
Oberon Incorporated
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2011.02.12 00:04:00 - [1]
 

Due to the overwhelming lack of support response following Incursion 1.1.2 deployment from CCP in support of MAC users, (one can only assume) that MAC O/S X is no longer supported by CCP. I have moved to Win7 Bootcamp. For those that still run a Mac Eve Client, I wish you the best of luck.

regards,
Raver.

PS: Feel free to bump / sign this post. For those with witty comments and internet snippets of sarcasm, load OS X, crash & petition..

Hagis McBree
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.02.12 01:18:00 - [2]
 

you forgot to add that the sky is falling.

Jacqueline Coeur
Gallente
Posted - 2011.02.12 12:04:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: the raver
I have moved to Win7 Bootcamp.
Sounds like it's you who stopped supporting Os X, not CCP.

the raver
Oberon Incorporated
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2011.02.12 13:22:00 - [4]
 

Edited by: the raver on 12/02/2011 13:21:54

Originally by: Jacqueline Coeur
Originally by: the raver
I have moved to Win7 Bootcamp.
Sounds like it's you who stopped supporting Os X, not CCP.


I KNEW I could count on some witty trolls! Very Happy They never dissapoint! Razz

Donder Wolkje
Posted - 2011.02.16 09:41:00 - [5]
 

i am going to look for someone supporting mac users actively in the CSM profiles

the raver
Oberon Incorporated
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2011.02.16 11:47:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Donder Wolkje
i am going to look for someone supporting mac users actively in the CSM profiles


Not a bad idea.

I'm curious, based on the lack of support issues for the patch on 14 Feb, how many Mac users were lost on the last Incursion upgrade?

No way to accurately tell, but the lack of responses to the issue thread is either a very GOOD sign or a very BAD sign... Is the Mac patch that good or is the # of Mac users dropping due to non-existent support?

No one can really tell except for the log stats at CCP and I expect no trend data from that forums-avoidance group..

Jacqueline Coeur
Gallente
Posted - 2011.02.23 17:57:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: the raver
Edited by: the raver on 12/02/2011 13:21:54

Originally by: Jacqueline Coeur
Originally by: the raver
I have moved to Win7 Bootcamp.
Sounds like it's you who stopped supporting Os X, not CCP.


I KNEW I could count on some witty trolls! Very Happy They never dissapoint! Razz
Call me troll all you want. See my portrait? It's ugly. Why? I sort of made it without seeing what I was doing. Because the portrait editor is nearly unusable even on minimum settings on my 8600M.
But I will not stop supporting OsX and switch to Win. If EvE does not work on my OsX, I'll stop supporting EvE before I stop supporting OsX.

An OsX user may or may not have reasons to complain about CCP's support for OsX. Someone that switched to another OS does not have any right or reason to complain about OsX support when (s)he has stopped supporting it to begin with. It's that simple.

Jacqueline Coeur
Gallente
Posted - 2011.02.23 17:59:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Donder Wolkje
i am going to look for someone supporting mac users actively in the CSM profiles
Agreed. This time around I'm not going to vote with any of my accounts unless someone either publicly or privately tells (and ideally proves) me that (s)he's a Mac user.

the raver
Oberon Incorporated
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2011.02.24 11:44:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Jacqueline Coeur
Originally by: the raver
Edited by: the raver on 12/02/2011 13:21:54

Originally by: Jacqueline Coeur
Originally by: the raver
I have moved to Win7 Bootcamp.
Sounds like it's you who stopped supporting Os X, not CCP.


I KNEW I could count on some witty trolls! Very Happy They never dissapoint! Razz


Call me troll all you want. See my portrait? It's ugly. Why? I sort of made it without seeing what I was doing. Because the portrait editor is nearly unusable even on minimum settings on my 8600M.
But I will not stop supporting OsX and switch to Win. If EvE does not work on my OsX, I'll stop supporting EvE before I stop supporting OsX.

An OsX user may or may not have reasons to complain about CCP's support for OsX. Someone that switched to another OS does not have any right or reason to complain about OsX support when (s)he has stopped supporting it to begin with. It's that simple.



I DID call you a troll (call me troll all you want ?) cuz I KNEW there would be some muppet out there that can’t comprehend the fact that I now play Eve on Win7 Bootcamp and still have MAC OsX loaded… I KNEW someone would assume “oh noes… someone bailed on MAC OsX! Whatever will we doos?!?” Typical “allegiance until death my Mac Lords!”

Guess what; CCP is NOT supporting the MAC OsX client.. Read the posts; read the comments… Fewer and fewer MAC OsX posts from users and almost non-existent from CCP. When an organization stops supporting an O/S or a program and still takes your money while whistling a happy toon, it’s time to WAKE UP and sound off. You’re headed in the right direction with “I'll stop supporting EvE before I stop supporting OsX.”. Congrats!

To question whether OsX users "may or may not have reasons to complain about CCP's support for OsX”? Are you serious? What support? My right is established in our monthly fees. And I’ll complain about crap service anytime I like; it’s my and EVERY OTHER USER’s right when they are a paying customer…

Quit being sheep & start telling the deaf Sheppard that you’re tired of eating the same old grass… It crashes, it’s unstable, the support sux and the tidbits of info we get in support of Mac users equates to ‘let them eat cake’. Until the Mac community stops hunkering down & hugging their O/S and starts posting like the Win O/S forums, CCP will see you are few & far between & they will dedicate their patches & support to the masses. For “MAC’s” sake, stand up & yell if you are dissatisfied with the support!!!

Lady Lard
Caldari
F.R.E.E. Explorer
EVE Animal Control
Posted - 2011.02.25 13:13:00 - [10]
 

Dude.

Wow, I really roflmao'd reading all your tears.
CCP fully supports mac. I have a (DECENT) mac myself and all is fine, excellent even.

Please don't blame your inability to fund a decent mac onto CCP, and confuse this inability of yours with
CCP's so-called "non-support".

And yes, your portrait looks like a monkey bro.

umad bro?

the raver
Oberon Incorporated
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2011.02.25 19:40:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Lady Lard
Dude.

Wow, I really roflmao'd reading all your tears.
CCP fully supports mac. I have a (DECENT) mac myself and all is fine, excellent even.

Please don't blame your inability to fund a decent mac onto CCP, and confuse this inability of yours with
CCP's so-called "non-support".

And yes, your portrait looks like a monkey bro.

umad bro?


Fantastic post! Glad to hear your Eve client is working well on your Mac.
I’m jealous!

I’m not sure how you deduced that I have an inability to fund a ‘decent Mac”
and that I maintain that inability. Do tell.. Your clairvoyance is
recognized although I’m guessing misguided.

I’ll assume that the 100ish people from the ‘Eve quits..” post and the
multitude of posts related to issues & problems on this forum fall into this
“inability” category. It does appear the poor technological state of
player’s MACs cannot be understated.

And the name-calling; best part! I’m a monkey! How cool! “..take that you
bully!!..” I laughed out loud, almost choked on my 'nana and fell! (thank
goodness for tails!)

You lost me a bit with the tired but dependable ‘mad’ and ‘tears’ comment; a
classic but too predictable..

All aboard the Muppetville train!! “Ms Lady Lard, your ticket please?”

I thank you for making me smile & laugh today and bumping the post! Don’t
be a stranger!

+4/10

forgeBot
Posted - 2011.02.27 03:53:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Lady Lard
Dude.

Wow, I really roflmao'd reading all your tears.
CCP fully supports mac. I have a (DECENT) mac myself and all is fine, excellent even.

Please don't blame your inability to fund a decent mac onto CCP, and confuse this inability of yours with
CCP's so-called "non-support".

And yes, your portrait looks like a monkey bro.

umad bro?


yeah, dual boxing on my mid '09 MBP. Everything is great here, no problems, no complaints.

OP. speak for yourself

the raver
Oberon Incorporated
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2011.02.27 04:14:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: forgeBot
Originally by: Lady Lard
Dude.

Wow, I really roflmao'd reading all your tears.
CCP fully supports mac. I have a (DECENT) mac myself and all is fine, excellent even.

Please don't blame your inability to fund a decent mac onto CCP, and confuse this inability of yours with
CCP's so-called "non-support".

And yes, your portrait looks like a monkey bro.

umad bro?


yeah, dual boxing on my mid '09 MBP. Everything is great here, no problems, no complaints.

OP. speak for yourself


Thank you for the bump! That makes 3 MAC clients working well!

Korban Jamanu
Posted - 2011.02.28 09:14:00 - [14]
 

My OSX-EVE-Client works great... um... if it starts...
If I reboot, the client starts and I'm able to play. If I quit, it doesn't launch anymore.

But hey, that's not a problem. I just reboot... or reinstall the game... or try it 100 times, sometimes it gets in the mood.

Max Nebular
Posted - 2011.03.02 18:04:00 - [15]
 

Oh! this is great Mac users against one another, and why? because Apple so thankfully now accepts win/linux/whatever system on their computers in a bootcamp...
So are you guys saying that thats bad? comon´ software house are struggling enough as it is And they have to support two platforms which means they have to divide there energy instead of concentrating 100 % on their game.

I have only one problem with the xp bootcamp i run, and that is the build in microphone that sounds like a mouse in TS3, maybe because its an old(mid09) MB, so if you have any experience on win 7 with TS3 please let me know.

Now its no secret that Macs dont run games that well, only x-plane ever did good, but the rest(Falcon5 FA18 and any 3D game) just performs better in windows and so does EVE too! im running back and fourth between the to versions everyday, when im on corporate missions im on the mac cos i have to use TS3, and when i do solo missions i prefer windows because its faster and in that sense safer, plus it pulls better grafix so my navy Omen looks cooler!

Anyway thats why Apple is the best computer you can buy, it supports all systems and hence all games, old Amiga, old pc, new pc, all online, old arcade anything you like...

so whats the fuss?

be happy and play the best game since Elite...Cool

Ravow
Minmatar
Cosmic Encounter
Mayhem.
Posted - 2011.03.02 18:49:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Max Nebular

Anyway thats why Apple is the best computer you can buy, it supports all systems and hence all games, old Amiga, old pc, new pc, all online, old arcade anything you like...

so whats the fuss?



Without trying to start a troll, I can say than a PC can do it too, with more OS and more easily. Apple allow only installation of supported OS so for other not supported, have fun. Also, the fact is that Microsoft allow everyone to use there Windows OS where Apple deny usage of OSX on not-apple hardware.

Currently, I have a bare PC with 3 screens, 2 keyboard, 2 mouses connected to it. On the first two screen, I have my normal Linux session to work and play EVE. On my third screen, I have the OSX installation (for iWorks Pages) and it can be used in the same time because different input set...

Of course, setting a PC like that (two user in the same time on two OS) is a lot more complicated than install Windows on BootCamp but it can be done.

Apple are actually normal PC with EFI and a SM chip that allow OSX to not fail when booted since they switched to x86 arch ( if the chip is here then OSX boot... else it crashTwisted Evil )

Originally by: Max Nebular

Now its no secret that Macs dont run games that well, only x-plane ever did good, but the rest(Falcon5 FA18 and any 3D game) just performs better in windows and so does EVE too! im running back and fourth between the to versions everyday, when im on corporate missions im on the mac cos i have to use TS3, and when i do solo missions i prefer windows because its faster and in that sense safer, plus it pulls better grafix so my navy Omen looks cooler!



That is another problem. Games perform better on Windows than on OSX or Linux because they are designed for Windows. Like EVE-Online, many other use the Cider wrapper (With is kind of inferior Wine) so it make the game run with a loss of FPS. To gain more performance on those wrapper, you need to have more fast CPU (Ghz, not core amount) so it will wrap what is needed, faster...

If you try real Native game, it's supposed to be same performance +-5%... But not more than 40% like with EVE or other Ciderified games.

Originally by: Max Nebular

be happy and play the best game since Elite...



+1

Jefferson H Clay
Posted - 2011.03.03 02:48:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Max Nebular

Now its no secret that Macs dont run games that well,


Which is rather odd if you think about it.

An 09 MBP booting in to Windows zooms along in EVE.
Quartz and other rendering widgets in OS X all make use of OpenGL to get their job done and do so rather speedily.
QuicktimeX throws stuff at the GPU and OpenGL if it can and that's quick.

So we can be pretty certain that OS X isn't just rubbish at games because it's not Windows and we can be pretty certain that when fed Windows a MBP's hardware dances an almost different tune. You can see similar stuff happening in Portal and TF2; very different frame rates from a 'native' game.

Now the question is: Why?

It could be that the drivers aren't as refined but that sounds odd, especially considering Nvidia's one-stop codebase for such things. OpenGL stack issues? Possibly but then nobody seems to be saying it's not the full OpenGL 3 spec's in there (3.1 is iffy apparently but). Could it be that their isn't a way to tell OS X "no, stop that, give me everything!" so it doesn't try to update anything else via OGL in the background; similar to Compiz getting in the way on Linux?

*shrug*

Dunno, but it's bloody annoying.

the raver
Oberon Incorporated
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2011.03.03 04:36:00 - [18]
 

Some great posts here!!!

Max Nebular; I'm not saying that Apple accepts other OS loads is bad; in fact to me it's a sign of a superior machine and engineering.

I believe that my 'fuss' is that it is wrong for CCP to advertises and take funds for a game they claim runs on a Mac. OK; it runs but it's way too unpredictable for too many people. There are way too many issues for this claim to be legitimate. And the support is lacking to the point of incompetence. I love my Mac; just not with CCP's game. A VERY minor issue for the MAC as a whole, but for this forum; the topic at hand.

I also run TS3 on my bootcamp and Mac load. Hit me up in game & I'll read off my settings and how I was able to tune my mic. Once in a while it will go crazy & I'll sound like a robot on crack. I have to reboot to get the drunk codec back in line but it's working well 28 days out of the month.

For Ravow & Jefferson; interesting discussion. Thank you for the thoughts. In a generic statement, how the O/S manipulates and interacts with the hardware is significant. The Cider wrapper is kicking CCP's butt.

o7

Ravow
Minmatar
Cosmic Encounter
Mayhem.
Posted - 2011.03.03 18:52:00 - [19]
 

Edited by: Ravow on 03/03/2011 18:52:59
Originally by: Jefferson H Clay

So we can be pretty certain that OS X isn't just rubbish at games because it's not Windows and we can be pretty certain that when fed Windows a MBP's hardware dances an almost different tune. You can see similar stuff happening in Portal and TF2; very different frame rates from a 'native' game.



- Portal and TF2 are not Native for OSX, they are Windows game Cider-wrapped like EVE-Online too.

Originally by: Jefferson H Clay

Quartz and other rendering widgets in OS X all make use of OpenGL to get their job done and do so rather speedily.
QuicktimeX throws stuff at the GPU and OpenGL if it can and that's quick.



Windows do the same thing, the whole desktop use DirectX including the widgets. For the quicktime parts, it's only when you play Video or it's full time?


If you want to compare the speed of MAC vs Windows on the same machine, use a Native game. You can try Nexuiz, who is free to download.


 

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