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Jeet Kaya
Gallente
The Ouroboros Partnership
Posted - 2011.02.11 17:45:00 - [1]
 

^ this...

How do i do it?

many thanks

Tau Cabalander
Posted - 2011.02.11 18:17:00 - [2]
 

Be sure to use an Improved Cloaking Device II. You can't do it with the Prototype Cloaking Device I.

1. Align.
2. Cloak.
3. Activate MWD.
4. Cancel MWD.
5. Wait for the MWD cycle to end (10 seconds).
6. As soon as the MWD cycle ends, immediately cancel cloak and spam warp.

Check youtube for videos. A quick search turned-up several.

CCP Dropbear

Posted - 2011.02.11 18:43:00 - [3]
 

Edited by: CCP Dropbear on 11/02/2011 18:43:59
Quoting this article:

Quote:
The single most important aspect of a travel fit is the ability to fit a cloaking device and a microwarp drive. This allows you to do the (in)famous cloak/warp trick (which does still work despite what some naysayers say), which is when you jump into a camp, you click to align to the next gate, hit your MWD, then immediately cloak. Once the MWD runs one full cycle you drop the cloak and go to warp. If you do it right, you'll instawarp and be nigh invulnerable.


Here's a half-decent video of it in action.

As this article explains, you need 75% of your speed (velocity) to warp to a location. Often, your ship can align much more quickly than it can get up to that speed. The idea behind the MWD/Cloak trick is that it buys you time (while you're cloaked) to get up to that velocity. It does this because bursting your MWD for a cycle raises you well above your base speed velocity for a short while (even despite the cloaking device velocity penalty) and then, when it deactivates and you are slowing down, you are still well above 75% velocity for a while. At that point you drop cloak, initiate warp instantly, and shoot off before anyone can lock you.

Edit: As Tau points out, the Prototype Cloak won't work. The reason for this is because it reduces your velocity too much.


Jeet Kaya
Gallente
The Ouroboros Partnership
Posted - 2011.02.11 20:10:00 - [4]
 

Ahaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!

Beautifull!! Thanks ^-^


Deen Wispa
Gallente
Spiritus Draconis
Posted - 2011.02.11 20:21:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Tau Cabalander
Be sure to use an Improved Cloaking Device II. You can't do it with the Prototype Cloaking Device I.

1. Align.
2. Cloak.
3. Activate MWD.
4. Cancel MWD.
5. Wait for the MWD cycle to end (10 seconds).
6. As soon as the MWD cycle ends, immediately cancel cloak and spam warp.

Check youtube for videos. A quick search turned-up several.


Woah. That's news to me. Didn't know it had to be Improved rather than Prototype.

Tzar'rim
Posted - 2011.02.11 21:26:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Tau Cabalander
Be sure to use an Improved Cloaking Device II. You can't do it with the Prototype Cloaking Device I.

1. Align.
2. Cloak.
3. Activate MWD.
4. Cancel MWD.
5. Wait for the MWD cycle to end (10 seconds).
6. As soon as the MWD cycle ends, immediately cancel cloak and spam warp.

Check youtube for videos. A quick search turned-up several.


Step 4 is unnecessary.

Soldarius
Caldari
Peek-A-Boo Bombers
Posted - 2011.03.01 10:18:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Tzar'rim
Originally by: Tau Cabalander
Be sure to use an Improved Cloaking Device II. You can't do it with the Prototype Cloaking Device I.

1. Align.
2. Activate MWD.
3. Cloak.
4. Wait for the MWD cycle to end (10 seconds).
5. As soon as the MWD cycle ends, immediately cancel cloak and spam warp.

Check youtube for videos. A quick search turned-up several.


Step 4 is unnecessary.


Fixed it for you. You cannot activate MWD if cloak is on.


Cygnus Zhada
Viziam
Posted - 2011.03.01 10:21:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Soldarius
Originally by: Tzar'rim
Originally by: Tau Cabalander
Be sure to use an Improved Cloaking Device II. You can't do it with the Prototype Cloaking Device I.

1. Align.
2. Activate MWD.
3. Cloak.
4. Wait for the MWD cycle to end (10 seconds).
5. As soon as the MWD cycle ends, immediately cancel cloak and spam warp.

Check youtube for videos. A quick search turned-up several.


Step 4 is unnecessary.


Fixed it for you. You cannot activate MWD if cloak is on.




It's very funny when people who try to be smug are wrong :)

You can activate the MWD after cloaking just fine.

mkmin
Posted - 2011.03.01 11:47:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Cygnus Zhada
Originally by: Soldarius
Originally by: Tzar'rim
Originally by: Tau Cabalander
Be sure to use an Improved Cloaking Device II. You can't do it with the Prototype Cloaking Device I.

1. Align.
2. Activate MWD.
3. Cloak.
4. Wait for the MWD cycle to end (10 seconds).
5. As soon as the MWD cycle ends, immediately cancel cloak and spam warp.

Check youtube for videos. A quick search turned-up several.


Step 4 is unnecessary.


Fixed it for you. You cannot activate MWD if cloak is on.




It's very funny when people who try to be smug are wrong :)

You can activate the MWD after cloaking just fine.


:notsureifserious:

You really think you can activate module while cloaked? Then what's with the message that says something like "disruptions from cloak prevents this device from activating"?

My Postman
Posted - 2011.03.01 11:48:00 - [10]
 

Edited by: My Postman on 01/03/2011 13:09:15
What above guy said: Align - cloak - mwd. Always works.

Edit: I quoted Cygnus

Cygnus Zhada
Viziam
Posted - 2011.03.01 12:45:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: mkmin
:notsureifserious:

You really think you can activate module while cloaked? Then what's with the message that says something like "disruptions from cloak prevents this device from activating"?


Facts > guessing Very Happy

Starnap
Concentrated Evil
Posted - 2011.03.01 13:52:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: mkmin


:notsureifserious:

You really think you can activate module while cloaked? Then what's with the message that says something like "disruptions from cloak prevents this device from activating"?


Of course you can't activate any mods while cloaked, but if you do it, like, right after you clicked on the cloak it does work - I guess it's a client lag thing.

I did think it worked with the prototype cloak as well - it has seemed to for me but I guess I never tried it with any really big, slow ships.

Meridius Dex
Amarr
24th Imperial Crusade
Posted - 2011.03.01 16:14:00 - [13]
 

Is it possible to gauge the speed correctly and do this with an AB on a cruiser hull (using an Improved Cloak)?

Cygnus Zhada
Viziam
Posted - 2011.03.01 16:15:00 - [14]
 

No, the AB bonus simply doesn't help enough against the cloak penalty.

Fyrgen Hith
Posted - 2011.03.01 19:02:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Cygnus Zhada
Originally by: mkmin
:notsureifserious:

You really think you can activate module while cloaked? Then what's with the message that says something like "disruptions from cloak prevents this device from activating"?


Facts > guessing Very Happy


Fact, you can't activate anything while cloaked.
Fact, you can bypass some module use limits by pressing them at basically the same time(ie. tractor beams).

Baneken
Gallente
The New Knighthood
Apocalypse Now.
Posted - 2011.03.01 19:25:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Fyrgen Hith
Originally by: Cygnus Zhada
Originally by: mkmin
:notsureifserious:

You really think you can activate module while cloaked? Then what's with the message that says something like "disruptions from cloak prevents this device from activating"?


Facts > guessing Very Happy


Fact, you can't activate anything while cloaked.
Fact, you can bypass some module use limits by pressing them at basically the same time(ie. tractor beams).


But hey admitting using an exploit, albeit an insignificant one, makes you cool in the newbie forums doesn't it ? Very Happy

Tau Cabalander
Posted - 2011.03.01 19:34:00 - [17]
 

Edited by: Tau Cabalander on 01/03/2011 19:34:40
Originally by: Baneken
But hey admitting using an exploit, albeit an insignificant one, makes you cool in the newbie forums doesn't it ? Very Happy

If it was an exploit, this thread probably would have been purged when CCP Dropbear responded in the second reply, rather than offering an explanation and a video link.

Cygnus Zhada
Viziam
Posted - 2011.03.01 19:37:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Fyrgen Hith
Originally by: Cygnus Zhada
Originally by: mkmin
:notsureifserious:

You really think you can activate module while cloaked? Then what's with the message that says something like "disruptions from cloak prevents this device from activating"?


Facts > guessing Very Happy


Fact, you can't activate anything while cloaked.
Fact, you can bypass some module use limits by pressing them at basically the same time(ie. tractor beams).


You should check your facts

I seriously have to laugh at the exploit nonsense. It's been in game for years and then something changed with cloaking which also affected this tactic, took about 2 weeks of outcry for CCP to reinstate this TACTIC.

Whine less.

Fyrgen Hith
Posted - 2011.03.01 19:53:00 - [19]
 

Edited by: Fyrgen Hith on 01/03/2011 19:54:56
Originally by: Cygnus Zhada
Originally by: Fyrgen Hith
Originally by: Cygnus Zhada
Originally by: mkmin
:notsureifserious:

You really think you can activate module while cloaked? Then what's with the message that says something like "disruptions from cloak prevents this device from activating"?


Facts > guessing Very Happy


*is glitching
I'm talking from personal experience.
I tested this with my Stealth Bomber, there is about 3 seconds from activating your cloak to being fully cloaked during which you can this activate modules.
I'd suggest you:
A)try activating your MWD before breaking gate cloak,
B)stay cloaked and see if your modules continue running, assuming ofc that your hardener at the very least isn't set to single cycles.
Fact, you can't activate anything while cloaked.
Fact, you can bypass some module use limits by pressing them at basically the same time(ie. tractor beams).


You should check your facts

I seriously have to laugh at the exploit nonsense. It's been in game for years and then something changed with cloaking which also affected this tactic, took about 2 weeks of outcry for CCP to reinstate this TACTIC.

Whine less.

Fyrgen Hith
Posted - 2011.03.01 19:56:00 - [20]
 

Edited by: Fyrgen Hith on 01/03/2011 20:04:38
Gah my above post isn't show what I typed(at least to me).
Will edit this in a minute with what I typed Sad

I am talking from personal experience.
I tested this with my Stealth Bomber and there is 3 seconds between activating the cloak and being fully cloaked during which you can still activate modules.
Now I would suggest you:
A)try activating a module before breaking gate cloak,
B)Wait cloaked and see if you modules continue running after their first cycles(assuming you have set to continuously run once activated) and reactivate them.

Cygnus Zhada
Viziam
Posted - 2011.03.01 20:16:00 - [21]
 

a) gatecloak never lets you activate a module, nor have I implied that it should
b) you can only run one cycle while cloaked as the second cycle will do an "uncloaked check" which you're not. I never implied that it would, actually I stated this in the vid I linked first

Modules that affect others, ECM etc, will NOT complete the full cycle, they changed this a while back as to stop Falcons from jamming someone for 20 seconds and then cloaking while waiting out the jam cycle. Further evidence that CCP knows about this mechanic and allows it's normal self-only use.


Fyrgen Hith
Posted - 2011.03.01 20:19:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Cygnus Zhada
a) gatecloak never lets you activate a module, nor have I implied that it should
b) you can only run one cycle while cloaked as the second cycle will do an "uncloaked check" which you're not. I never implied that it would, actually I stated this in the vid I linked first

Modules that affect others, ECM etc, will NOT complete the full cycle, they changed this a while back as to stop Falcons from jamming someone for 20 seconds and then cloaking while waiting out the jam cycle. Further evidence that CCP knows about this mechanic and allows it's normal self-only use.




Actually both of you first 2 posts imply that.

Cygnus Zhada
Viziam
Posted - 2011.03.01 20:28:00 - [23]
 

It doesn't, this whole thread is about being able to use a cloak while aligning, which by definition means it's not about gatecloak as that drops when hitting the align button.

Fyrgen Hith
Posted - 2011.03.01 20:32:00 - [24]
 

I was referring to your point B, sorry for not being clear on that.

Cygnus Zhada
Viziam
Posted - 2011.03.01 20:35:00 - [25]
 

Well, in that case you should probably watch the first video I linked instead of assuming I said something. That vid shows everything one needs to know about the whole mechanic.

Not my fault you jump to a conclusion without actually putting in the effort to check the evidence :)

Fyrgen Hith
Posted - 2011.03.01 20:48:00 - [26]
 

Fun Fact, you aren't actually cloaked till your off the overview so hmmm(can still be locked) so as I've been saying you are incorrect about activating stuff cloaked but apparently you did read what I said either.

Esan Vartesa
East Khanid Trading
Khanid Trade Syndicate
Posted - 2011.03.01 21:40:00 - [27]
 

Fun fact.

Posting solely to show that you're right and the other guy is wrong is how good threads die.

Cygnus Zhada
Viziam
Posted - 2011.03.01 21:51:00 - [28]
 

Edited by: Cygnus Zhada on 01/03/2011 21:52:34
Originally by: Fyrgen Hith
Fun Fact, you aren't actually cloaked till your off the overview so hmmm(can still be locked) so as I've been saying you are incorrect about activating stuff cloaked but apparently you did read what I said either.


You're wrong on that as well. And stop back pedalling.


Originally by: Esan Vartesa
Fun fact.

Posting solely to show that you're right and the other guy is wrong is how good threads die.



If someone posts incorrect stuff expect it to get rectified, I'm sorry everyone else keeps venting their wrong assumptions.

Fyrgen Hith
Posted - 2011.03.01 22:22:00 - [29]
 

Edited by: Fyrgen Hith on 01/03/2011 22:24:19
Originally by: Cygnus Zhada
Edited by: Cygnus Zhada on 01/03/2011 21:52:34
Originally by: Fyrgen Hith
Fun Fact, you aren't actually cloaked till your off the overview so hmmm(can still be locked) so as I've been saying you are incorrect about activating stuff cloaked but apparently you did read what I said either.


You're wrong on that as well. And stop back pedalling.


Originally by: Esan Vartesa
Fun fact.


Posting solely to show that you're right and the other guy is wrong is how good threads die.



If someone posts incorrect stuff expect it to get rectified, I'm sorry everyone else keeps venting their wrong assumptions.


Its not backpedaling when the information has relevance.
As I said I speak from personal experience not making assumptions, I'll lost a couple of (Edit) ships with cloaks(indy mostly) due to this, I successfully start cloaking then it get broken because "You can not cloak while locked."

My Postman
Posted - 2011.03.03 10:42:00 - [30]
 

Why just not saying the obvious.

EXACTLY AS CYGNUS MENTIONED IN ALL OF HIS POSTS.

End of story.


 

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