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Kalia Masaer
Amarr Border Defense Consortium
Posted - 2011.02.09 16:58:00 - [1]
 

Eve is full of scams perpetuated by alts, with no contact to the main character.
Many people fund wars with characters safely invisible in other corps.

We should add a consequence to such things, you should not have an invisible financial trail. There should be agents you can request a financial history on a character for a fee. This would only show the less legitimate forms of financial transfer, i.e. trading and giving isk. This would make visible those characters being funded or funding one character and put very real consequences on carrying out scamming, spying, and war decing with characters that own their own isk.

Also it should be considered that characters in NPC corps cannot transfer isk to other characters again creating consiquences as they can then be war dec'd.

Jagga Spikes
Minmatar
Spikes Chop Shop
Posted - 2011.02.09 17:51:00 - [2]
 

Originally by: Kalia Masaer
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Also it should be considered that characters in NPC corps cannot transfer isk to other characters again creating consiquences as they can then be war dec'd.


while transaction tracking idea has merit, this particular application doesn't make much sense. most scammers never leave stations, so whether they can be wardecced or not doesn't matter. besides, even if do leave stations, they are most likely 56k pilots in rookie ships.

De'Veldrin
Minmatar
Norse'Storm Battle Group
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2011.02.09 18:06:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: Jagga Spikes
Originally by: Kalia Masaer
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Also it should be considered that characters in NPC corps cannot transfer isk to other characters again creating consiquences as they can then be war dec'd.


while transaction tracking idea has merit, this particular application doesn't make much sense. most scammers never leave stations, so whether they can be wardecced or not doesn't matter. besides, even if do leave stations, they are most likely 56k pilots in rookie ships.

you forgot "In NPC corps" so you couldn't wardec them anyway.

Kalia Masaer
Amarr Border Defense Consortium
Posted - 2011.02.10 03:04:00 - [4]
 

The point of tracking the transaction is to see who the scammer is giving isk too so you can go kill them not the scammer, could really suck for people who buy isk illegally too :) as they would look like scammers.

The point of limiting NPC characters from transferring isk would be to make it so they have to join a corp to give isk to their main and hence become vulnerable for a time, especially if a delay was added like it is for corp standings to be affected by a new character.

Woodman2
Posted - 2011.02.10 03:15:00 - [5]
 

In real life, wars get funded all the time and the people supplying the cash and arms remain secret, so why not in Eve? If you got scammed, it's your fault, you didn't read everything or do your homework or you trusted the wrong person.

Ephemeron
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2011.02.10 03:18:00 - [6]
 

If there was some way to link alts to mains, EVE would be a much more exciting game

Kalia Masaer
Amarr Border Defense Consortium
Posted - 2011.02.10 03:42:00 - [7]
 

In eve there is really no consequence for anything you do especially on an alt. Which means that people who don't want to be scum/cheat/metagame don't have a leg to stand on, in the real world there are police and intelligence agencies tracking down those sort of people. In the old west you could find and shoot the person who cheated you or anyone you thought might be helping them.

In eve you just sit there and say this is stupid, because if you a mostly care bear high sec corp you will typically be war dec'd by a corp of only pvp'ers as big as yours is. The only way you could fight them is to attack their source of isk, but that doesn't work because their source of isk is invisible.

Or you get annoyed with the shear number of scam contracts you have to sort through when you want to buy something from contracts so you figure maybe I should track down the person responsible and at least publicize who really is scum, but no not a glimmer of who that is because there is no paper trail to even follow.

Or you wonder who might be the spy coming into your alliance, well a good way to know would be a character that is funded by another one oop sorry no way to know that.

And this won't stop scamming or any other shady activity because if you really want to launder your isk you still can make a difficult trail to follow or find other sneaky means to transfer funds, but it means that whoever is doing it has to work rather than just make another alt.

The best way to implement it would be to make the financial check agent take a 3-4 days to get back to you, this would make it a long process to track someone down not just an easy couple clicks. Also it should not make privy standard market transactions. The point is that their should be a way to offer consequences it doesn't have to be easy to do, and this would have a very strong tendency for players to punish those who were purchasing isk from a RMT as they would be at the end of the paper trail.

Kalia Masaer
Amarr Border Defense Consortium
Posted - 2011.02.10 03:44:00 - [8]
 

Far more exciting Ephemeron as David wouldn't just be squished by Goliath, he could do something sneaky.

Monte Shill
Posted - 2011.02.10 05:01:00 - [9]
 

Quote:
Eve is full of scams perpetuated by alts, with no contact to the main character.
Many people fund wars with characters safely invisible in other corps.

for. API. full. backround. Use. check.

If you can make a valid sentence from that, then you should be smart. Proper backround search and avoid using a PUG mentality when inviting people to corp will stop biting you in the ass. Also, stop reading local contracts as 99% of the time in a trade hub its fake and I spotted 7 contracts using the mineral scam that you accepted between Feb 6 2009 to Feb 10 2009 accepted by you Kalia. It didn't take long to do even a short check.

DrDooma
Posted - 2011.02.10 05:27:00 - [10]
 

you can request API key with full access wich does exaclty what you wish.

Kalia Masaer
Amarr Border Defense Consortium
Posted - 2011.02.10 05:45:00 - [11]
 

Yep I was indeed scammed but that was a long time ago lesson learned. My issues more now are facing enemies that are funded by alts who are safe meaning that there is no way if they have superior numbers to fight them as you cannot strike at their source of income.

In a game where law has so little importance the shouldn't it work the other way to that no law protects those who don't obey laws as that is currently the case. If people didn't have alt accounts it would be a none even but they are unavoidable, so why shouldn't there be a tool to deal with them. Everyone says it is a sandbox, but it is a sandbox skewed toward chaos as those people get to hold more cards.

Ragnar256
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.02.10 07:00:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Kalia Masaer
Yep I was indeed scammed but that was a long time ago lesson learned. My issues more now are facing enemies that are funded by alts who are safe meaning that there is no way if they have superior numbers to fight them as you cannot strike at their source of income.

In a game where law has so little importance the shouldn't it work the other way to that no law protects those who don't obey laws as that is currently the case. If people didn't have alt accounts it would be a none even but they are unavoidable, so why shouldn't there be a tool to deal with them. Everyone says it is a sandbox, but it is a sandbox skewed toward chaos as those people get to hold more cards.
In real life would you sign a contract without reading it? If yes, you deserved to be scammed.

Joe McAlt
Posted - 2011.02.10 07:47:00 - [13]
 

If I had to transfer a large amount of ISK discreetly I would use 'give money" to transfer it to a fresh alt in a noob system like ultra and use it to buy GTC's. then I would convert them to plex and drop them in a secure container anchored in a safe spot in that system.

Then my main on a seperate account would come along with the password and empty the can. There, now you have laundered cash that is essentially untraceable at little or no risk as not many people go out of their way to gank a noob coming out of the state war acadamy.

to every fix there is a work around

bartos102
Posted - 2011.02.10 10:39:00 - [14]
 

i'm not sure but i think you can not anchor a secure can while in an NPC corp

if anyone has tried it pls let me know if it works or not

Jagga Spikes
Minmatar
Spikes Chop Shop
Posted - 2011.02.10 10:50:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Joe McAlt
If I had to transfer a large amount of ISK discreetly I would use 'give money" to transfer it to a fresh alt in a noob system like ultra and use it to buy GTC's. then I would convert them to plex and drop them in a secure container anchored in a safe spot in that system.

Then my main on a seperate account would come along with the password and empty the can. ...


however, that makes you a target. while all of this happens in station, you wouldn't be one.


 

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