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RAW23
Posted - 2011.04.02 16:14:00 - [211]
 

Edited by: RAW23 on 02/04/2011 16:15:03
Originally by: Block Ukx
Edited by: Block Ukx on 02/04/2011 13:43:08



You should know perfectly well that screenshots do not constitute a proof of anything. We stop using screenshots as proofs a long time ago. Would you be accepting screenshots as proof of assets from now on?




This is one of those rare situations when you can check for yourself. Just put in a petition and if VV is still here a week later you have your proof.

Edit - Also what Roguehalo said.

Myra2007
Millstone Industries
Posted - 2011.04.02 16:27:00 - [212]
 

1. Visit Youtube
2. Watch CCP Presents
3. Go to 07:17 and realize yeah **** right that's a picture of VV and Viaris on Hilmar's slide.
4. ????
5. profit

Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
Vahrokh Consulting
Posted - 2011.04.02 17:56:00 - [213]
 

Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 02/04/2011 17:56:23
Originally by: Block Ukx
Edited by: Block Ukx on 02/04/2011 13:43:08



You should know perfectly well that screenshots do not constitute a proof of anything. We stop using screenshots as proofs a long time ago. Would you be accepting screenshots as proof of assets from now on?





Could you please expand about YOUR idea about what I should do? There's no API to check contracts.

Also, only my refusal to turn this thread into a troll fest prevents me from getting started about the hypocrisy about the utter lack of YOUR company proof of assets, which would just require an API check.

Block Ukx
Forge Laboratories
Posted - 2011.04.02 18:27:00 - [214]
 



Why is it that when I point a simple fact people turn around an attack me?

Your video claims to be the “proof” of your donations. I am not questioning whether or not the donations took place. That is ccp’s job, and I hope they follow thru. I am simply pointing out that screenshots and videos proof of nothing.

You claim yourself to be an ‘auditor’, so you must know that. I’m 100% certain that if I provide screenshots as proof of my assets people will never stop laughing at me. Not sure why you have taken that road.




Liberty Eternal
Posted - 2011.04.02 18:58:00 - [215]
 

Originally by: Myra2007
1. Visit Youtube
2. Watch CCP Presents
3. Go to 07:17 and realize yeah **** right that's a picture of VV and Viaris on Hilmar's slide.
4. ????
5. profit



Very Happy Hell yeah!

This was a great effort and very humbling to realise just how decent some of the people on MD are. 91.63 bil raised is incredible - and nearly half from Rykker Bow alone. One day, I hope to beat that donation Cool

Estel Arador
Posted - 2011.04.02 19:21:00 - [216]
 

Originally by: Block Ukx
Why is it that when I point a simple fact people turn around an attack me?

Your video claims to be the “proof” of your donations. I am not questioning whether or not the donations took place. That is ccp’s job, and I hope they follow thru. I am simply pointing out that screenshots and videos proof of nothing.


Given the limited options available, it is probably the closest possible approximation of 'proof'. Now I'll be the first to criticize VV whenever appropriate, but this is not a point where criticism is due, certainly not from someone who has flatly refused to give any (even flimsy) evidence of his claims.

RAW23
Posted - 2011.04.02 19:27:00 - [217]
 

Edited by: RAW23 on 02/04/2011 19:27:35
Originally by: Estel Arador
Originally by: Block Ukx
Why is it that when I point a simple fact people turn around an attack me?

Your video claims to be the “proof” of your donations. I am not questioning whether or not the donations took place. That is ccp’s job, and I hope they follow thru. I am simply pointing out that screenshots and videos proof of nothing.


Given the limited options available, it is probably the closest possible approximation of 'proof'. Now I'll be the first to criticize VV whenever appropriate, but this is not a point where criticism is due, certainly not from someone who has flatly refused to give any (even flimsy) evidence of his claims.


This.

Also, given the contents of this dev blog

http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=893

I imagine CCP has actually checked that they received the plexes from VV before going out of their way to thank her.

Block Ukx
Forge Laboratories
Posted - 2011.04.02 20:46:00 - [218]
 

Originally by: Estel Arador
... it is probably the closest possible approximation of 'proof'.


I for one refuse to accept screenshots as 'proof' of donations. It can't be that difficult for ccp to post here and tell us how many plexes were donated.



Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
Vahrokh Consulting
Posted - 2011.04.02 21:06:00 - [219]
 

Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 02/04/2011 21:08:05
Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 02/04/2011 21:06:33
Quote:

Your video claims to be the “proof” of your donations. I am not questioning whether or not the donations took place. That is ccp’s job, and I hope they follow thru. I am simply pointing out that screenshots and videos proof of nothing.

You claim yourself to be an ‘auditor’, so you must know that



As auditor I know that contracts cannot be checked and that video is as closest as a proof as possible (it's vastly harder to dynamically tamper with a video than photoshopping pictures and I provided both).

API data can be checked instead, it's why you don't get spared criticism about your recluctance about doing that.


Anyway if any CCP representative wants to discuss with me each single transaction, I'll have no problem explaining them and I invite them to contact me and officially post here their findings.

What I can say is that there are 100M+ spare left on the account (100-160 ATM I can't check) since I could not find someone to pad them to a round PLEX in time before the initiative ended, those 100-something millions will go in the next initiative.

Edit: as further proof of goodwill, I am gladly open to also be API checked by Shar Tegral and / or Kazuo Ishiguro and / or Grendell and / or / Magnu Stormhawk.

Varo Jan
Caravanserai Consulting
Posted - 2011.04.02 21:44:00 - [220]
 

Originally by: Block Ukx
Originally by: Estel Arador
... it is probably the closest possible approximation of 'proof'.


I for one refuse to accept screenshots as 'proof' of donations. It can't be that difficult for ccp to post here and tell us how many plexes were donated.

Nobody cares what you think - oh runner of a totally opaque organisation.

Stop being an ass, get a life. This is a humanitarian effort, and VV deserves credit for that, not snidy remarks from a highly suspect and pompous bod.

Breaker77
Gallente
Reclamation Industries
Posted - 2011.04.02 23:02:00 - [221]
 

Originally by: Block Ukx
Originally by: Estel Arador
... it is probably the closest possible approximation of 'proof'.


I for one refuse to accept screenshots as 'proof' of donations. It can't be that difficult for ccp to post here and tell us how many plexes were donated.





How about a CCP devblog?

Block, have you been able to get CCP to vouch for you? Didn't think so. Keep on moving those assets around so your "audit" looks good when it's done from a clean account.


Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
Vahrokh Consulting
Posted - 2011.04.03 06:45:00 - [222]
 

Quote:

This is a humanitarian effort, and VV deserves credit for that, not snidy remarks from a highly suspect and pompous bod.



I am pleased to get support. Although I have to say that while I might deserve "credit" for the idea (my reason to play EvE, my sandbox IS creating new ideas), the real credit goes exclusively to the Donors. THEY have made the difference, THEY deserve the praise.

Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
Vahrokh Consulting
Posted - 2011.04.07 14:50:00 - [223]
 

It seems a new big earthquake happened in Japan, including tsunami warning and all.
Markets all around the globe shacked as well.

I hope the Japanese are going to pass this new bleak time.

If you'll need another PLEX campaign or something (all I can do for you right now Embarassed) I and hopefully the MD community will be ready to support you.

Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
Vahrokh Consulting
Posted - 2011.04.07 15:37:00 - [224]
 

Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 07/04/2011 15:48:42
Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 07/04/2011 15:37:16
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Mister Rocknrolla
Posted - 2011.05.03 18:54:00 - [225]
 


Did this get shut down? Just wondering if the fund is participating in the current drive?


Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
Vahrokh Consulting
Posted - 2011.05.03 19:11:00 - [226]
 

Originally by: Mister Rocknrolla

Did this get shut down? Just wondering if the fund is participating in the current drive?




I can't force people to keep donating.
Once the PLEX for Japan initiative ended, the only two people who kept adding in the fund are me and a Sister Fund.
ATM there is below 1 PLEX worth of value in liquid ISK available.

Mister Rocknrolla
Posted - 2011.05.03 19:27:00 - [227]
 

Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Originally by: Mister Rocknrolla

Did this get shut down? Just wondering if the fund is participating in the current drive?




I can't force people to keep donating.
Once the PLEX for Japan initiative ended, the only two people who kept adding in the fund are me and a Sister Fund.
ATM there is below 1 PLEX worth of value in liquid ISK available.


Cool. No prob. Didn't have the isk handy for an entire plex...but I can just buy a GTC and donate directly.

Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
Vahrokh Consulting
Posted - 2011.05.03 19:31:00 - [228]
 

Originally by: Mister Rocknrolla
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Originally by: Mister Rocknrolla

Did this get shut down? Just wondering if the fund is participating in the current drive?




I can't force people to keep donating.
Once the PLEX for Japan initiative ended, the only two people who kept adding in the fund are me and a Sister Fund.
ATM there is below 1 PLEX worth of value in liquid ISK available.


Cool. No prob. Didn't have the isk handy for an entire plex...but I can just buy a GTC and donate directly.



That would be good.

Samroski
Games Inc.
Posted - 2011.05.04 19:23:00 - [229]
 

CSGAMEZCF013

The NAV of this sister fund a week ago was ISK 667,302,371.79

The current cash is: ISK 300,105,683.38

Think I can safely donate about 200m towards the current drive, and that would leave enough in the fund for it to continue to grow.

If there are enough donations, or enough left over in the main fund to buy a PLEX, I'll just send the money to you (VV). Alternatively, I'll add the extra 160m from my personal funds and donate a PLEX.

Liberty Eternal
Posted - 2011.05.04 20:03:00 - [230]
 

If your fund is indeed collecting for this VV then please put me down for a donation of one PLEX - I'm so busy right now I don't know if I will even be able to log in to EVE before tomorrow night, but as soon as I do I will contract one to your fund.

Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
Vahrokh Consulting
Posted - 2011.05.04 20:28:00 - [231]
 

Balance for April 2011 available

As usual the link to access the updated balance and expenditures (should be GAAP compliant, the specific version for charities) is available under the O.P.

In case it keeps loading an old version, it's becase of the browser cache. Hitting F5 or CTRL-F5 on the embedded document should update it from Vahrokh.com.


Updates for the US PLEX initiative

I am trying finding some funding for the latest CCP initiative: PLEX for Good: Storm Relief.

I know you Donors were taking a breath of respite after so much charity shown for the PLEX for Japan initiative, but populations devastated by disasters don't have the luxury of waiting for us to fully recover.

Yeah it sucks the disasters seem to know no end but look at it as an opportunity to gain more good karma: who shall give good, shall receive good.

If anyone got questions or anything please reply here or to me in game.

@Liberty Eternal:
I indeed confirm that VAERT is operational and ready, even if it was just for 1 PLEX.

Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
Vahrokh Consulting
Posted - 2011.05.04 20:38:00 - [232]
 

PLEX FOR GOOD FIRESALE

Due to the limited duration of the PLEX for Storm initiative (ends May 16) I'd like to liquidate as much of the previously donated physical assets as possible.

There is a rebate of 30% off the items listed on this Google Sheet.

Some items are deadspace / officer, others T2 and so on.

Price will be based on current contract prices as of 2011-05-04 20:36 EvE time (so don't rush to manipulate the contracts, it won't work).

Liberty Eternal
Posted - 2011.05.04 21:05:00 - [233]
 

My google docs shows all the items as summing to around 1.2 bil or so - as long as it's not more than a few billion and that it's all in hi-sec stations then I will be happy to take a chance on it and to take it all at 10% less [no need for 30%]. Please put it all up on contracts for me - although it is going to be tomorrow night before I can accept them unfortunately Wink

Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
Vahrokh Consulting
Posted - 2011.05.04 22:04:00 - [234]
 

Originally by: Liberty Eternal
My google docs shows all the items as summing to around 1.2 bil or so - as long as it's not more than a few billion and that it's all in hi-sec stations then I will be happy to take a chance on it and to take it all at 10% less [no need for 30%]. Please put it all up on contracts for me - although it is going to be tomorrow night before I can accept them unfortunately Wink


Don't worry, I have to go to bed soon and the prices shown are still those I listed 1 month ago near the end of the PLEX for Japan. I'll update them tomorrow.

Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
Vahrokh Consulting
Posted - 2011.05.05 07:01:00 - [235]
 

Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 05/05/2011 07:03:35
Originally by: Liberty Eternal
My google docs shows all the items as summing to around 1.2 bil or so - as long as it's not more than a few billion and that it's all in hi-sec stations then I will be happy to take a chance on it and to take it all at 10% less [no need for 30%]. Please put it all up on contracts for me - although it is going to be tomorrow night before I can accept them unfortunately Wink


I checked the contracts, there has been an increase of value of the officer, faction and deadspace items. I left the prices as is except for Fleet Navy Typhoon and Gist X-Type Explosion Dampening Field.

The total before discount is 1,327,388,348.64.
Contract for 1,190,000,000.


Edit: Other people have contacted me in game about these items.
Please for maximum transparency everything has to be discussed here, for everyone to see and record.

Liberty Eternal
Posted - 2011.05.05 10:41:00 - [236]
 

That's cool thanks VV - if anyone underbids me, let them have it - it's for charity after all Wink Otherwise, price is ok - please put it up on contracts for me and I'll pick it all up later.

Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
Vahrokh Consulting
Posted - 2011.05.05 15:37:00 - [237]
 

The contracts were up since several hours.

Samroski
Games Inc.
Posted - 2011.05.13 14:04:00 - [238]
 

CSGAMEZCF013

A week ago the cash in this sister fund's account crossed 380m and I decided to donate a PLEX entirely from the fund. I believe there are still enough assets left for this fund to continue to grow.

Feels pretty good, as my experiment with investing this one item for charity, and maintaining a separate account for this purpose, appears to be working. Wishing that there are no more disasters in the near future, allowing the fund to get established properly.

Blake Savage
Caldari
Posted - 2011.05.13 22:07:00 - [239]
 

I like the donation idea, really i do.

But if it has anything to do with red cross or any of those other orginasations i would never touch it with a stick from a fire place.

First of, Red Cross have had more than its share of scandals in Denmark, latest some general secretary who got the golden handshake, aka got fired but he managed to get almost 200.000$ to resign before his time or whatever you wanna call it.

Secondly , the majority of whatever you donate to a cause through Red Cross goes to administration, after that whatever is left over goes to the victims, if you wanna donate something , donate it directly and never through a ****ty company that claims it does the good for mankind.

So basicly even though im sitting on a couple 100 billion over my 4 accounts i wouldn't donate **** until someone can guarantee me it wouldnt go anyway near Red Cross or another Health Orginasation.

Thoraemond
Minmatar
Far Ranger
Posted - 2011.05.14 04:12:00 - [240]
 

Originally by: Blake Savage
[T]he majority of whatever you donate to a cause through Red Cross goes to administration, after that whatever is left over goes to the victims [...]

Can you please explain the basis on which you make this claim?

Reviewing independently-audited financial statements for several national Red Cross/Red Crescent organizations and the ICRC suggests that the administrative "overhead" tends to be closer to 10%, which is far from "the majority".

Like you, I want to ensure that my donations are used efficiently, and from what I have read so far, it seems that donations made to the Red Cross will be used reasonably efficiently to provide humanitarian relief.

I, for one, continue to support "PLEX for Good" through Vaerah Vahrokha's organization.

If you provide credible information that suggests that what I have read so far is wrong, I will consider the matter further.


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