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Exde'Ponda'Rizzle
Imminent Ruin
Posted - 2011.02.07 01:59:00 - [31]
 

Originally by: Lilith Velkor
outright genious.


We are now outright "genious" figs.

Nathan Jameson
Talocan Vanguard
Talocan United
Posted - 2011.02.07 03:30:00 - [32]
 

If this is an exploit, I'm not sure using the C&P forum is the best way to get it addressed and fixed.

Or to be taken seriously, for that matter.

Damara
Dark-Rising
Posted - 2011.02.07 04:10:00 - [33]
 

Awesome, posting in a non-CAOD thread I'm allowed to post in for the win.

Confirming I was there.. and if it ever came out what really happened, it would be a much better thread of lols.

And that this exploit is news to us, thanks for the heads up.

Oh, and figs are my favorite breakfast cereal.


Griznatle
Caldari
Heretic Army
B A N E
Posted - 2011.02.07 04:30:00 - [34]
 

Originally by: Aznwithbeard
mmmmmmmm heretic army tears, a delicacy in these here parts......


serusly, first u were a fw, now ur in nir?
the times we had in amamake local meant nothing?
the special moments?
also, drising p.bad.
When is a pixel spaceship game taken seriusly? Just sad figgits like dr cant actually pull anything off.
Im still emad about pl ecmbombing their own tacklers, ur super as a lossmail would fuel me long time.
Although, the carriers, they are nice too.

Grozz
Imminent Ruin
Posted - 2011.02.07 04:55:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: Griznatle
Just sad figgits like dr cant actually pull anything off.



I thought we pulled off the most creative thinking genious use of something eva!
and hey... round of applause to Heretic Army for failing in our failure! /golf clap

Soth Dahl
Dark-Rising
Executive Outcomes
Posted - 2011.02.07 04:59:00 - [36]
 

Edited by: Soth Dahl on 07/02/2011 04:59:51
Originally by: Griznatle
Originally by: Aznwithbeard
mmmmmmmm heretic army tears, a delicacy in these here parts......


serusly, first u were a fw, now ur in nir?
the times we had in amamake local meant nothing?
the special moments?
also, drising p.bad.
When is a pixel spaceship game taken seriusly? Just sad figgits like dr cant actually pull anything off.
Im still emad about pl ecmbombing their own tacklers, ur super as a lossmail would fuel me long time.
Although, the carriers, they are nice too.


Just too bad you could take none of the glory, since that day, the glory was all PL.
And you actually have to have a Super killed before you can gloat over it.
Tought luck, and so easy blaming others for your own short comings.. Which brings us back to the mysterious bug exploit... From what I heard over our own TS, there was much laughter, drinking and even a bit of singing..
How was it on your end ? could you hear anything over the Emoraging FC ?

Oh yeah.. Amarr Victor!

Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
Posted - 2011.02.07 07:25:00 - [37]
 

Seems like a great idea to post that thing here.

Alotta Baggage
Amarr
Imperial Shipment
Posted - 2011.02.07 08:42:00 - [38]
 

Originally by: Helicity Boson
Dear griznatle,

Wikipedia tells me that figging is a naughty thing. You shouldn't post about figging on C&P

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Figging


Hel, given some of the things we say to people I really don't see a problem with this Razz

Mr Digs
Dark-Rising
Executive Outcomes
Posted - 2011.02.07 08:50:00 - [39]
 


Presidente Gallente
Dark-Rising
Executive Outcomes
Posted - 2011.02.07 08:59:00 - [40]
 

Edited by: Presidente Gallente on 07/02/2011 09:02:54
Originally by: Griznatle
Edited by: Griznatle on 07/02/2011 01:31:10
dark-rising and dark-rising alts (read figgits), you guys knew exactly what u were doing, only reason u burned back to gate and didnt actually engage was cause ur trick didnt work.


Originally by: Lilith Velkor
Originally by: Soth Dahl

lol.. you are way off.. We usually burn back to the gates (only stupid people wouldn't) in the hopes that all you lot are stupid/eager enough to agress, and give us a window to jump through and get away, and while you are still agressed aka not able to use the gate for XX amount of seconds.


Seems legit, that makes way more sense than not jumping in the first place and just warping off. Or not warping to the gate your scout tells you a giant fleet is sitting at the other side.

Yes, entirely plausible.


Seriously though, I got to give you guys credit for creative thinking. You're the first ones I've seen making practical use of that knowledge, and using a Scimitar was outright genious.


So do I understand right from what I read so far: you guys BELIEVE that Dark TRIED TO USE an exploit but failed because it DID NOT WORK WHAT SHOULD WORK and some crybaby posts on C&P telling the EVE universe WITHOUT ANY PROOF that Dark is a bunch of asshats using this weird exploit - probably just 23,5/7 gate campers are aware of?

Rydra Wong
Gallente
Dark-Rising
Executive Outcomes
Posted - 2011.02.07 09:08:00 - [41]
 

Edited by: Rydra Wong on 07/02/2011 09:08:30
Confirming I exploiten Ass Hats.

Would like clarification and explanation of why asshats exist, and where the string goes to hold it on.

Unconfirming and denying any affiliation to Figs.

Wondering why anyone tested the effects of shoving spices up the rear end of any animal to discover it's effects...

Soth Dahl
Dark-Rising
Executive Outcomes
Posted - 2011.02.07 09:11:00 - [42]
 

Originally by: Presidente Gallente
Edited by: Presidente Gallente on 07/02/2011 09:02:54
Originally by: Griznatle
Edited by: Griznatle on 07/02/2011 01:31:10
tears tears


Originally by: Lilith Velkor
Originally by: Soth Dahl

awesomesauce


more tears


So do I understand right from what I read so far: you guys BELIEVE that Dark TRIED TO USE an exploit but failed because it DID NOT WORK WHAT SHOULD WORK and some crybaby posts on C&P telling the EVE universe WITHOUT ANY PROOF that Dark is a bunch of asshats using this weird exploit - probably just 23,5/7 gate campers are aware of?


Yep, that about sums it up.. Oh and we are figs... and an RKK alt corp. But mostly horrible at armor tanked laz0r drakes.

Kita Radeon
Gallente
Imminent Ruin
Posted - 2011.02.07 09:19:00 - [43]
 

Originally by: Griznatle
Originally by: Aznwithbeard
mmmmmmmm heretic army tears, a delicacy in these here parts......


serusly, first u were a fw, now ur in nir?
the times we had in amamake local meant nothing?
the special moments?
also, drising p.bad.
When is a pixel spaceship game taken seriusly? Just sad figgits like dr cant actually pull anything off.
Im still emad about pl ecmbombing their own tacklers, ur super as a lossmail would fuel me long time.
Although, the carriers, they are nice too.


At first I thought umad but now it is obvious that you are trolling. At least I think you are trolling. Its hard to tell since obviously we don't speak the same language.

However, I am undeniably both a 'figgit' as well as a asshat.

Good day.

Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
Posted - 2011.02.07 09:21:00 - [44]
 

Originally by: Soth Dahl
Yep, that about sums it up.. Oh and we are figs... and an RKK alt corp.


Tell us more about that corp theft you had a while ago? Where you won't present any proof or mention what was stolen. I liked that thread, it was good.

Presidente Gallente
Dark-Rising
Executive Outcomes
Posted - 2011.02.07 09:26:00 - [45]
 

Originally by: Misanth
Originally by: Soth Dahl
Yep, that about sums it up.. Oh and we are figs... and an RKK alt corp.


Tell us more about that corp theft you had a while ago? Where you won't present any proof or mention what was stolen. I liked that thread, it was good.


We had a corp theft? Shocked

Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
Posted - 2011.02.07 09:34:00 - [46]
 

Originally by: Presidente Gallente
Originally by: Misanth
Originally by: Soth Dahl
Yep, that about sums it up.. Oh and we are figs... and an RKK alt corp.


Tell us more about that corp theft you had a while ago? Where you won't present any proof or mention what was stolen. I liked that thread, it was good.


We had a corp theft? Shocked


RKK had. And you claim you're RKK alts!!!1!!12!

Presidente Gallente
Dark-Rising
Executive Outcomes
Posted - 2011.02.07 09:38:00 - [47]
 

Originally by: Misanth
Originally by: Presidente Gallente
Originally by: Misanth
Originally by: Soth Dahl
Yep, that about sums it up.. Oh and we are figs... and an RKK alt corp.


Tell us more about that corp theft you had a while ago? Where you won't present any proof or mention what was stolen. I liked that thread, it was good.


We had a corp theft? Shocked


RKK had. And you claim you're RKK alts!!!1!!12!


We are RKK alts? Shocked

Shivalla
Gallente
Financial Removal
THE SPACE P0LICE
Posted - 2011.02.07 09:45:00 - [48]
 

Originally by: Lilith Velkor
Edited by: Lilith Velkor on 06/02/2011 23:30:19
Originally by: Kitty McKitty

On the other hand it could just lead to more tards using this and CCP being incompetent in balancing their game.


Was the first time I've seen it used as a combat 'tactic'.

Absolutely obvious they knew what was gonna happen and did it on purpose, as a single Scimitar jumped first and pulled the warp-cloak, and after that his fleet jumped in.

Anyway, this needs to get fixed asap. Not the cloak warp trick, I could care less about that, but the client crashing problem. Filed a bug report about it 2 weeks ago already but not response yet.


Also, for those that asked Griz is always mad. You should hear him on vent. He is always raging. And I mean furiously RAGING.


Hey, im curious about one thing here... How is it possible for a scimitar, according to your story bru, that ship to warp cloaked?

See, you said, I quote "single Scimitar jumped first and pulled the warp-cloak", so yes, to the matter in hand. Scimitars cannot warp while cloaked. Or is this the actual exploit you are referring to, that it WAS able to warp while cloaked, and because of this, all your ships disconnected who tried to target that Scimitar?

This is completely new information to me, and I am very curious how you have theorycrafted this, and know that this is actually how your clients crashed.

Please enlighten me about this issue.

Yours,

Shivalla.

Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
Posted - 2011.02.07 09:49:00 - [49]
 

Originally by: Presidente Gallente
We are RKK alts? Shocked


According to Soth Dahl.. I believed him!1!!12! Surprised

Kitty McKitty
Gallente
In Praise Of Shadows
Posted - 2011.02.07 09:50:00 - [50]
 

Originally by: Shivalla
Scimitars cannot warp while cloaked. Or is this the actual exploit you are referring to, that it WAS able to warp while cloaked, and because of this, all your ships disconnected who tried to target that Scimitar?


quotin' incompetence.

Lilith Velkor
Minmatar
Heretic Army
B A N E
Posted - 2011.02.07 09:51:00 - [51]
 

Edited by: Lilith Velkor on 07/02/2011 09:58:56

Originally by: Presidente Gallente

So do I understand right from what I read so far: you guys BELIEVE that Dark TRIED TO USE an exploit but failed because it DID NOT WORK WHAT SHOULD WORK and some crybaby posts on C&P telling the EVE universe WITHOUT ANY PROOF that Dark is a bunch of asshats using this weird exploit - probably just 23,5/7 gate campers are aware of?


Almost. Well not really almost, but I'd say you have a rough idea of some sort.

We believe that -DARK tried to exploit a bug in the Eve client to their advantage, a bug that has been mentioned on these forums before already. The alleged exploiting part obviously worked as you can tell by the existance of this thread.

It was the 'to their advantage' part that did not work out in the end, as only about 1/3 of our fleet was affected, leaving enough damage dealers on the field to deal with their logistics before repping could stabilize them.


But hey, we just might give you guys entirely too much credit.

Maybe fitting cloaks on a scimitar is what some of your pilots do on a regular basis. Maybe it was sheer coincidence that the ship equipped to trigger the bug decloaked first, in such an unfortunate but absolutely unintended timing that made sure the hostile fleet would go for it first and fall victim to said bug. Maybe jumping battlecruisers and logistics into a large slow moving battleship fleet just to check how many ships you can lose while burning back to gate is what your FCs like to do instead of just evading the fight altogether and going the other way.

Possible, but from my past experience with -DARK they did not seem to be that incompetent. As for the proof you requested, I will see if I can get my hands on the fraps footage that some of our fleet members produced, maybe this will help you understand why this event did come across more than just a bit fishy.


Originally by: Shivalla
See, you said, I quote "single Scimitar jumped first and pulled the warp-cloak", so yes, to the matter in hand. Scimitars cannot warp while cloaked. Or is this the actual exploit you are referring to, that it WAS able to warp while cloaked, and because of this, all your ships disconnected who tried to target that Scimitar?


Excuse my poor wording, what I did refer to was the align/cloak/mwd/decloak/warp trick most people know about. As it happens, using this trick does, since the Incursion patch, trigger a bug in the Eve client that makes people trying to lock the cloaking ship crash shortly after the ship warps off.

Now on a logistics ship, fitting a cloak would normally be a bad idea since you want a quick lock. A logistics ship however is something that the enemy fleet will try to lock as soon as it decloaks after jumping, so if you wanted to make sure they fall for said bug, it is a good idea to use a logistics ship and decloak it first.

Presidente Gallente
Dark-Rising
Executive Outcomes
Posted - 2011.02.07 09:59:00 - [52]
 

Originally by: Lilith Velkor
Edited by: Lilith Velkor on 07/02/2011 09:54:50
Originally by: Presidente Gallente

So do I understand right from what I read so far: you guys BELIEVE that Dark TRIED TO USE an exploit but failed because it DID NOT WORK WHAT SHOULD WORK and some crybaby posts on C&P telling the EVE universe WITHOUT ANY PROOF that Dark is a bunch of asshats using this weird exploit - probably just 23,5/7 gate campers are aware of?


Almost. Well not really almost, but I'd say you have a rough idea of some sort.

We believe that -DARK tried to exploit a bug in the Eve client to their advantage, a bug that has been mentioned on these forums before already. The alleged exploiting part obviously worked as you can tell by the existance of this thread.

It was the 'to their advantage' part that did not work out in the end, as only about 1/3 of our fleet was affected, leaving enough damage dealers on the field to deal with their logistics before repping could stabilize them.


But hey, we just might give you guys entirely too much credit.

Maybe fitting cloaks on a scimitar is what some of your pilots do on a regular basis. Maybe it was sheer coincidence that the ship equipped to trigger the bug decloaked first, in such an unfortunate but absolutely unintended timing that made sure the hostile fleet would go for it first and fall victim to said bug. Maybe jumping battlecruisers and logistics into a large slow moving battleship fleet just to check how many ships you can lose while burning back to gate is what your FCs like to do instead of just evading the fight altogether and going the other way.

Possible, but from my past experience with -DARK they did not seem to be that incompetent. As for the proof you requested, I will see if I can get my hands on the fraps footage that some of our fleet members produced, maybe this will help you understand why this event did come across more than just a bit fishy.


Originally by: Shivalla
See, you said, I quote "single Scimitar jumped first and pulled the warp-cloak", so yes, to the matter in hand. Scimitars cannot warp while cloaked. Or is this the actual exploit you are referring to, that it WAS able to warp while cloaked, and because of this, all your ships disconnected who tried to target that Scimitar?


Excuse my poor wording, what I did refer to was the align/cloak/mwd/decloak/warp trick most people know about. As it happens, using this trick does, since the Incursion patch, trigger a bug in the Eve client that makes people trying to lock the cloaking ship crash shortly after the ship warps off.


Keep in mind that jumping and burning back is a valid tactic to get the enemy probably separated while a part of the fleet jumps and the rest is stucked by agression timer. If you have a FRAPS then we can discuss. Actually it sounds fishy because Dark usually enjoys fighting against numbers and we need no stupid exploit.

Lilith Velkor
Minmatar
Heretic Army
B A N E
Posted - 2011.02.07 10:18:00 - [53]
 

Originally by: Presidente Gallente

Keep in mind that jumping and burning back is a valid tactic to get the enemy probably separated while a part of the fleet jumps and the rest is stucked by agression timer. If you have a FRAPS then we can discuss. Actually it sounds fishy because Dark usually enjoys fighting against numbers and we need no stupid exploit.


Yes, I know it is a valid tactic to separate fleets. Though that only really works if the hostiles dont all agress at once thinking you will take the fight, or you are not facing too much damage that you have to expect losing a few logistics while burning back.

From our perspective, what was anticipated was you guys wanting to leave the incursion constellation and take the fight in non cynojammed space where you could bring in the 20 odd carrier support you usually bring to these kind of 'against the numbers' fights in lowsec.

Kayla Dawn
Caldari
Dirt Nap Squad
Dirt Nap Squad.
Posted - 2011.02.07 10:47:00 - [54]
 

Someone is just a little emo that their fleet of BS was to slow to catch a fleet of drakes who burned back to the gate and jumped. If they wanted a fight they would have followed plain and simple. Someone in the Amarr Mitlia gave all these guys the intel on what was in our fleet (being as I know the guy in the Militia who did so) and they all formed up, to what they thought would be a fight and didn't get one. You guys had three FC's on the go, and probably could not get your **** together. Emo elsewhere. There was no exploit, just what is normal in low sec pvp as said before. Jump through, burn back, try to split up enemy fleet by getting them to jump as well, leaving half you behind due to GCC. Smile its just a game... and maybe.. you should try prunes.. because apparently figs don't help you guys, you're all acting like you haven't **** in weeks or something! Rolling Eyes

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prune

Mr Digs
Dark-Rising
Executive Outcomes
Posted - 2011.02.07 12:05:00 - [55]
 

Originally by: Kitty McKitty
Originally by: Shivalla
Scimitars cannot warp while cloaked. Or is this the actual exploit you are referring to, that it WAS able to warp while cloaked, and because of this, all your ships disconnected who tried to target that Scimitar?


quotin' incompetence.


Quotin' a quote quoting incompetence.

Artemis Rose
Clandestine Vector
THE SPACE P0LICE
Posted - 2011.02.07 12:20:00 - [56]
 

Figs are all up in my EVE, h4xin the place up Shocked

We should get some of OMFG THEY ARE CCP ALTZ tinfoil hat brigade up in here with the h4xin figs

mani Lin
Gallente
Dark-Rising
Posted - 2011.02.07 13:14:00 - [57]
 

confirming i wasnt there.

hey Griznatle pls learn to spell and not type like like 10 year old who just found out how a key board works. And we dont use exploits to win a battle we can do that with out.

Meridith Akesia
Stimulus
Posted - 2011.02.07 13:35:00 - [58]
 

I too, enjoy typing incomprehensible sentances about figs.

Dictum Factum
Skill Training
Posted - 2011.02.07 14:09:00 - [59]
 

I long for the day that my Internet improves, thus allowing me to be an asshat fig.

Griznatle
Caldari
Heretic Army
B A N E
Posted - 2011.02.07 14:15:00 - [60]
 

Edited by: Griznatle on 07/02/2011 14:18:34
Again, seeing as though u dikrising figgs put out a corpmail to rabble my figgit thread, :effort: stops me from quoten.

First, im pretty sure one of you noobs asked how a cloakwarp on a scmietar works, and lilith corrected you.
my dear lilith also said your competitent (read: good at exploiting) and I said you suck. Being good at sucking is still being good at something! That is how I bring home the bacon, by sucking other meat.
Anyway

I also wish to point out we were raping you up the wall, at which point your super pilot (this story came from your own fc) aksidentald due to pl supers jumping in, your fc saying supers in, and your super superjumped in!

also, fail dk...only true figgits use ts, we are poor and use eve voice when talking to amarr victors.

also, next person who smacks about my grammar will bring down the full force of my grizzly butt on their head. Unless your into that, then u just gotta wire isk into my account and we can pretend that I have pigtails.

Sorry you rest folk for coming looking for a real thread and left sad cause dikrising has to protect its political assets and get supercerealmad.

MUCH LOVE! Back to provi space I go. Wish morlen wasnt banned tbh, or this would be threadnaught siege green worthy.

ninger edit - amarr fc was pretty emad, we lold cause we felt bad for amarr fc. every 2 seconds another amarr would log back in and start going "WHEEEOOOOOOH what happened? and then spamm local for fleet vite.


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