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Daniel Brinnan
Posted - 2011.02.06 18:01:00 - [1]
 

I really think it would be super cool if Eve did this: Humans can't be the only ones in the universe. What about the greys, you know, the little skinny guys with the big heads/big eyes, they're said to call themselves the annu naki. Or reptilians, or the humanoid mantis people. These are probably the main species of an already pretty solid extraterrestrial mythology that may even be real. If new species are created, I hope they don't just make them up. I hope they bring in some of the species that actually already maybe exist. I think this would get a lot of media attention. What do you all think?

Selinate
Amarr
Posted - 2011.02.06 18:03:00 - [2]
 

/supporting green women with giant ****, just like captain kirk used to bang.

That's what this is about, right?

DuKackBoon
Posted - 2011.02.06 18:05:00 - [3]
 

How about "New Eden is too young for Intelligent Species"? New Eden is a relatively small star-cluster, filled to the top with visible gas = Very young.

Nora Skuld
Posted - 2011.02.06 18:32:00 - [4]
 

How about "not every sci-fi settings needs to have aliens to be interesting?"

Selinate
Amarr
Posted - 2011.02.06 18:37:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Nora Skuld
How about "not every sci-fi settings needs to have aliens to be interesting?"

depends if it's a pron or not.

Wurzel Gummidge
Posted - 2011.02.06 18:39:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Daniel Brinnan
I really think it would be super cool...


I stopped right there. Is this the Disney channel or something?

Daniel Brinnan
Posted - 2011.02.06 18:51:00 - [7]
 

Oh come on. There's no way that humans can be the only sentient species in that much of the universe that's in Eve. It's impossible, and very boring.

Nora Skuld
Posted - 2011.02.06 19:09:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Selinate
Originally by: Nora Skuld
How about "not every sci-fi settings needs to have aliens to be interesting?"

depends if it's a pron or not.


Yes, yes - a thousand times yes.

Originally by: Daniel Brinnan
Oh come on. There's no way that humans can be the only sentient species in that much of the universe that's in Eve. It's impossible, and very boring.


1- EvE is a single galaxy. A portion of a galaxy, even.
2- Yes, it's entirely possible that humans can be alone in this precise galaxy and the closest neighbor be so distant it be physically impossible to have any contact.
3- It's boring probably because you're the "humans are boring" type that probably never played a human in D&D because they don't have stat bonus or other gimmicks.

shady trader
Posted - 2011.02.06 19:09:00 - [9]
 

CCP have been every clear on this. They want Eve to be a conflict between humans and not humans verses aliens.

Mina Banestar
Posted - 2011.02.06 19:16:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Daniel Brinnan
Oh come on. There's no way that humans can be the only sentient species in that much of the universe that's in Eve. It's impossible, and very boring.


Why not? the chances of there being a world that can develope life is already fairly low then add in the fact that it has to become intelligent enough to create space travel, be a form of life we can both comprehend and at least minimally understand and not be hostile/naturally deadly to humans and you're getting into pretty astronomical odds. Besides Eve isnt star trek, we dont need a bunch of 'aliens' who look like humans with funny foreheads cluttering up the place.

shady trader
Posted - 2011.02.06 19:28:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Mina Banestar
Originally by: Daniel Brinnan
Oh come on. There's no way that humans can be the only sentient species in that much of the universe that's in Eve. It's impossible, and very boring.


Why not? the chances of there being a world that can develope life is already fairly low then add in the fact that it has to become intelligent enough to create space travel, be a form of life we can both comprehend and at least minimally understand and not be hostile/naturally deadly to humans and you're getting into pretty astronomical odds. Besides Eve isnt star trek, we dont need a bunch of 'aliens' who look like humans with funny foreheads cluttering up the place.


Then there is the possibility that any intelligent life that existed in the eve cluster had an unfortunate "accident" shortly after humans arrived and became aware of them. After all we originally came here as we had run out of space and resources back in our own galaxy.

Nora Skuld
Posted - 2011.02.06 19:47:00 - [12]
 

Edited by: Nora Skuld on 06/02/2011 19:47:47
For those who doesn't have any idea of the size of the universe...

It shows that the existence of other lifeforms are highly probable, but having many space faring civilizations in the same galaxy is really unlikely.

Stuff like Mass Effect, Star Trek, Master of Orion can be quite fun, but completely improbable. There's nothing wrong with EvE in that respect.

Selinate
Amarr
Posted - 2011.02.06 20:34:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Nora Skuld
Originally by: Selinate
Originally by: Nora Skuld
How about "not every sci-fi settings needs to have aliens to be interesting?"

depends if it's a pron or not.


Yes, yes - a thousand times yes.



LaughingLaughingLaughingLaughingLaughing

Corina's Bodyguard
Posted - 2011.02.07 00:30:00 - [14]
 

There are plenty of sentient aliens in EVE.

Or do you mean sapient. In which case, not needed, and not likely.

Daniel Brinnan
Posted - 2011.02.07 03:29:00 - [15]
 

Nora:

1. I do not like D&D, nor do I have any clue how to play that.
2. To whoever said the eve galaxy is only 1 galaxy: Only 1 galaxy? A galaxy has billions of stars. Billions!

I understand that many that play Eve believe it should just be about humans vs. humans, but sorry, the chances of us being the only sentient species in our galaxy is mathematically extremely doubtful.

I'm not saying Eve should become Star Trek, I think that would be corny. But it's dumb to pretend humans are the only sentient life. And I never even said it should become a game about humans vs. aliens, why would that have to happen?

Selinate
Amarr
Posted - 2011.02.07 04:10:00 - [16]
 

Edited by: Selinate on 07/02/2011 04:10:53
In all seriousness, no one in this thread knows to any certainty whatsoever how the birth of life actually occurred, nor do they know how many different possible ways for life to begin there are, and even less about how life would be best posed to become beings as intelligent as us on a different planet. So please, stop babbling about things that there's no way anyone on this planet could even begin to fully understand (at least at this point in human knowledge).

I fully support green ******* though.

TheBooky
Posted - 2011.02.07 04:15:00 - [17]
 

There may be aliens already in the works. I remember some chronicles a few years back telling of a jove ship completely destroyed and the pilot barley surving in his pod in an amarr system. No know weapon could have cause the carnage seen on the ship, almost as it had been ripped apart.

Corina's Bodyguard
Posted - 2011.02.07 04:22:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Daniel Brinnan
Nora:

1. I do not like D&D, nor do I have any clue how to play that.
2. To whoever said the eve galaxy is only 1 galaxy: Only 1 galaxy? A galaxy has billions of stars. Billions!

I understand that many that play Eve believe it should just be about humans vs. humans, but sorry, the chances of us being the only sentient species in our galaxy is mathematically extremely doubtful.

I'm not saying Eve should become Star Trek, I think that would be corny. But it's dumb to pretend humans are the only sentient life. And I never even said it should become a game about humans vs. aliens, why would that have to happen?

We aren't the only sentient life. Dogs, cats, bunnies and lizards are all sentient.
The word you are thinking of is sapient, and it isn't mathematically doubtful that we are the only ones.

Science has yet to know (or even come up with a workable theory to) how life first came to exist on this planet.

So expecting that not only life would occur on many other planets (which there are in EVE, plenty of sentient indigenousness life forms), but intelligent sapient life is quite foolish.

Daniel Brinnan
Posted - 2011.02.07 04:58:00 - [19]
 

Actually, the word sapient just means having great wisdom and sound judgement. The term sentient life, is often used for the idea of intelligent life, like humans. The original definition of sentient didn't include cats and dogs. I don't argue that cats and dogs are intelligent though.


Why is everybody so defensive about the idea of intelligent life, other than humans in the universe?

Corina's Bodyguard
Posted - 2011.02.07 05:02:00 - [20]
 

Wrong.

sentient [ˈsɛntɪənt]
adj
having the power of sense perception or sensation; conscious

sapience - ability to apply knowledge or experience or understanding or common sense and insight

Serge Bastana
Gallente
GWA Corp
Posted - 2011.02.07 05:07:00 - [21]
 

Would EVE really benefit from a species other than human? I did read in a recent blog somewhere that CCP are considering introducing some forms of alien life in the future, but the wouldn't be the crappy Star Trek kind as in humanoid with a bumpy forehead, if they did bring in aliens they would be truly inhuman and quite creepy.

But other than a mysterious foe even stranger than Sleepers or Jove, what would alien species bring to the game?

Daniel Brinnan
Posted - 2011.02.07 21:48:00 - [22]
 

Sorry Corina's bodyguards. You're wrong. You're twising the wording of the definitions to argue what you believe.

Webster's dictionary for sapient: possessing or expressing great sagacity


Sapient means wise and knowledgeable. Troll a new thread. I get it, you don't want other species in Eve.

Daniel Brinnan
Posted - 2011.02.07 21:51:00 - [23]
 

The words sentient life have always been used to striclty include humans or the idea of extraterrestrial intelligence. I don't argue that animals are conscious, but they're not included as being sentient.

NinjaSpud
Posted - 2011.02.07 23:02:00 - [24]
 

Hey I have an idea...lets create a planet in the very center of the EVE univers in a .1 sytem. And on this planet, AND ONLY ON THIS PLANET, have the ability to createa very special drug...a 'spice' some would call it...and this 'spice' could increase your charachter atributes 100% every time you took it. The catch being that you eventualy 'alienate' yourself by 'morphing' into another being. First starting out with blue eyes, then eventually a grotesque blob that can seeminly fold space by thinking and shooting light out of your @$$.

It would be a contested planet, full of sand mounds that constantly shift with the whind and big...'sand slugs'. Everyone would want to controll it, for if you control the 'spice' you control the universe. Due to its sandy nature, and the fact the sand drifts with the whind, we could call it "Drift"

There we go, that'll fix ya. Those who want 'aliens' can have it, those who want people can keep their notion of people...and those who want a thousand nipples on a alien carpace can be satasfied
Originally by: Nora Skuld


Yes, yes - a thousand times yes.




epic man, love it.

and more importantly, I can waste everyones time here refrencing a movie that most of you haven't even seen!!!
Damn kids and your MTV

DuKackBoon
Posted - 2011.02.07 23:12:00 - [25]
 

For everybody's information: New Eden is a rogue star cluster at best. Not an entire galaxy.

Avlec Starshine
Posted - 2011.02.07 23:51:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: NinjaSpud
Hey I have an idea...lets create a planet in the very center of the EVE univers in a .1 sytem. And on this planet, AND ONLY ON THIS PLANET, have the ability to createa very special drug...a 'spice' some would call it...and this 'spice' could increase your charachter atributes 100% every time you took it. The catch being that you eventualy 'alienate' yourself by 'morphing' into another being. First starting out with blue eyes, then eventually a grotesque blob that can seeminly fold space by thinking and shooting light out of your @$$.

It would be a contested planet, full of sand mounds that constantly shift with the whind and big...'sand slugs'. Everyone would want to controll it, for if you control the 'spice' you control the universe. Due to its sandy nature, and the fact the sand drifts with the whind, we could call it "Drift"

There we go, that'll fix ya. Those who want 'aliens' can have it, those who want people can keep their notion of people...and those who want a thousand nipples on a alien carpace can be satasfied
Originally by: Nora Skuld


Yes, yes - a thousand times yes.




epic man, love it.

and more importantly, I can waste everyones time here refrencing a movie that most of you haven't even seen!!!
Damn kids and your MTV


Oh ive seen the film(s) and read all the books .:)

on topic tho
i would like to see grey´s in game with their sauser ships .. id love flying round in them too !!

Corina's Bodyguard
Posted - 2011.02.07 23:57:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Daniel Brinnan
The words sentient life have always been used to striclty include humans or the idea of extraterrestrial intelligence. I don't argue that animals are conscious, but they're not included as being sentient.

You are simply wrong.

Ask any biologist, and they will tell you sentience applies to all conscious beings (though a few species of fish are argued as not sentient, along with sponges and other low life forms).

Whereas sapience applies to only homo sapiens sapiens (though a few consider dolphins to be in the same category along with apes other than humans).

Unfortunately, blogs and forums are at the top of the list when searching Google, and while many argue the same point I am, I cannot locate a suitable source (like a biology magazine or journal). Then again... I'm not that good at searching.

As for aliens being in the game, sure I don't want it (I might have said it before, might not). However, what I want has nothing to do with my argument on the finer points of biological classification.

Nora Skuld
Posted - 2011.02.08 00:38:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Daniel Brinnan
Why is everybody so defensive about the idea of intelligent life, other than humans in the universe?


It's entirely possible that billions of other civilizations exist in the universe. What you don't seem to understand is the fact that it's also entirely possible that humanity could be alone in the Milky Way.

Apparently, EvE Online plays this scenario and this scenario is valid. Your opinion is completely irrelevant.

Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
Posted - 2011.02.08 00:52:00 - [29]
 

The Homo Sapiens Sapiens of today is and aggressive and invasive species, and getting even more so if history is any indication.

Now fast forward several thousand years .. There may have been other species around when we came through the Eve gate, but chances are they were either exterminated or decided to pack up and leave on their own accord.

Either way. No one but us remain.

Belfelmalak
Posted - 2011.02.08 02:31:00 - [30]
 

Sapiens is Latin for "wise" or "knowledgeable". It is generally used in this context to describe a species that is self aware or able to understand its own mortality. This may or may not be the case with some animals like Dolphins or Apes.

There are possibly different forms of intelligence. Some theoretically intelligent species may be very intuitive in the arts or mathematics but may not be clever tool users. This seems to be the central strength of Homo Sapien Sapiens.

As to aliens in eve. Two words: Space monsters......Shocked


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