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Silphane
Posted - 2011.02.06 08:29:00 - [1]
 

Whats a good DPS to deal on solo lvl 4 missions?

Alotta Baggage
Amarr
Imperial Shipment
Posted - 2011.02.06 08:31:00 - [2]
 

Lol
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
Posted - 2011.02.06 08:32:00 - [3]
 

Surely you mean DPM?

Silphane
Posted - 2011.02.06 08:33:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Alotta Baggage
Lol
Drake DPS Laughing

great more smartasses

NoNah
Posted - 2011.02.06 08:58:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Silphane
great more smartasses


The drake is terrible for especially level 4 missions, simply because of it's low dps. A typical level 4 mission setup applied to a drake should do roughly 600 dps plus drones. Sadly if you're interested in flying a good missionship, you don't fly a drake, meaning these setups are really just theorycrafting.

A typical drake setup does 250-300 dps, with max skills.

Artemis Rose
Clandestine Vector
THE SPACE P0LICE
Posted - 2011.02.06 09:02:00 - [6]
 

I'd shoot for 270-300 DPS with non scourge + drones to just be able to run them, but its far being ideal.

THERisingPHOENIX
Caldari
Posted - 2011.02.06 09:12:00 - [7]
 

If u are going to do lvl 4s with a Drake, u are most likely better off grinding lvl3s fast unless corrected..

Kesshisan
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.02.06 09:27:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Silphane
Whats a good DPS to deal on solo lvl 4 missions?


A good DPS setup to solo L4s with a Drake is to fly a Raven instead.

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2011.02.06 09:38:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: NoNah
A typical drake setup does 250-300 dps, with max skills.
That's why you don't fly a typical fit, but go for a good one instead. It's trivial to get 500+ DPS out of a Drake.

Cygnus Zhada
Viziam
Posted - 2011.02.06 09:49:00 - [10]
 

Drake CAN do acceptable DPS in lvl 4's, it's just that most people who use them do so because of low skills and/or lack of knowledge on the game resulting in crap fits and lol dps. Would you use a maxed out Drake with some pimp it's not that bad actually. Still, get a raven hull.

[Drake, lvl 4]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Shield Power Relay II

Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Heat Dissipation Field II
Ballistic Deflection Field II
Invulnerability Field II

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
[empty high slot]

Medium Core Defence Field Purger I
Medium Core Defence Field Purger I
Medium Core Defence Field Purger I


Hobgoblin II x5

Tau Cabalander
Posted - 2011.02.06 09:59:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: Tau Cabalander on 06/02/2011 10:03:50

I only ever had problems with one level 4 mission in my Drake, and that was easily solved with some faction missiles for the last boss, Draben Kuvakei, of Vengeance.

Fit the right hardeners for the mission, and you can pretty much fall asleep without worries (been there, done that).

Now my fit wasn't optimal, but here it is as an example of "good enough".

I highly recommend a Raven, Navy Raven, Golem, or Tengu for level 4. All of them are faster.


[Drake, Basic Level 4]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II

Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Photon Scattering Field II

Salvager I
Small Tractor Beam I
XR-3200 Heavy Missile Bay, Scourge Heavy Missile
XR-3200 Heavy Missile Bay, Scourge Heavy Missile
XR-3200 Heavy Missile Bay, Scourge Heavy Missile
XR-3200 Heavy Missile Bay, Scourge Heavy Missile
XR-3200 Heavy Missile Bay, Scourge Heavy Missile
XR-3200 Heavy Missile Bay, Scourge Heavy Missile

Medium Core Defence Field Purger I
Medium Core Defence Field Purger I
Medium Core Defence Field Purger I


Hobgoblin II x5

Wombat942
0perational Security
Posted - 2011.02.06 10:14:00 - [12]
 

Only noobs do missions you should be ratting out in a -1 trusec region.

NoNah
Posted - 2011.02.06 10:30:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: NoNah
A typical drake setup does 250-300 dps, with max skills.
That's why you don't fly a typical fit, but go for a good one instead. It's trivial to get 500+ DPS out of a Drake.


Isn't that exactly what I said?

Mara Rinn
Posted - 2011.02.06 10:51:00 - [14]
 

Edited by: Mara Rinn on 06/02/2011 11:17:48
[Drake, lvl 4]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Overdrive Injector System II

Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Heat Dissipation Field II
Ballistic Deflection Field II
Afterburner II
Stasis Webifier I

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
[empty high slot]

Medium Core Defence Field Purger I
Medium Core Defence Field Purger I
Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I

Hobgoblin II x5

Speed tank and lower sig can reduce incoming damage significantly. Rigor to help kill frigs faster, switch to Rage when fighting battleships if completion time is an issue.

Use EM against regular Sansha NPCs.


Artemis Rose
Clandestine Vector
THE SPACE P0LICE
Posted - 2011.02.06 11:16:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Tippia
That's why you don't fly a typical fit, but go for a good one instead. It's trivial to get 500+ DPS out of a Drake.


Do share a fit. Bonus points if it has rigors to support the fury missile habit and double bonus points if you could do it without using Kinetic damage.

Cathy Drall
Amarr
Royal Amarr Institute
Posted - 2011.02.06 11:21:00 - [16]
 

Doing L4s in a Drake is like doing L3s in an Assualt Frigate - yes you can do it but why would you want to as it's slow as hell?

Sealiah
Minmatar
Coffee Lovers Brewing Club
Care Factor
Posted - 2011.02.06 11:34:00 - [17]
 

No point in doing a l4 in a drake...

Take a raven if you fly caldari and own the mission 3 times faster. After you grind enough isk, take a golem and own the mission 2 times faster than in a raven.

When you get a golem, don't go for a full-x-type fit or you'll get ganked 1000000 times faster than a freighter full of goo.

Mara Rinn
Posted - 2011.02.06 11:38:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Cathy Drall
Doing L4s in a Drake is like doing L3s in an Assualt Frigate - yes you can do it but why would you want to as it's slow as hell?


Running L3s in an assault frigate is only similar to running L4s in a Drake due to the fact that you have to shoot things. Trust me, flying assault ships is nothing like flying Drakes, even insanely fitted speed tanking Drakes.

Rawr Cristina
Caldari
Naqam
Posted - 2011.02.06 14:07:00 - [19]
 

Drake is half decent in L4s so long as you have good missile skills and 2-3 BCS fitted... otherwise no point. Nighthawk is quite nice tho.

...or just buy a Raven

Nimsir
Posted - 2011.02.06 14:23:00 - [20]
 

Sadly most people are idiots when it comes to drake fitting. The Drake is a fine ship for level 4 missions when fit correctly, and only a shade behind the Raven.

[Drake, New Setup 1]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System

Gistii B-Type Small Shield Booster
Gistii B-Type Small Shield Booster
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Invulnerability Field II
Caldari Navy Heat Dissipation Field
Caldari Navy Ballistic Deflection Field

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
[empty high slot]

Medium Bay Loading Accelerator II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I


Hobgoblin II x5

720 DPS with drones

Learn to fit people

Cygnus Zhada
Viziam
Posted - 2011.02.06 14:30:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Nimsir
Sadly I'm an idiot with unrealistic lolfits


Agreeing there.

Nimsir
Posted - 2011.02.06 14:32:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Cygnus Zhada
Originally by: Nimsir
Sadly I'm an idiot with unrealistic lolfits


Agreeing there.


and how is that an unrealistic lolfit? I missioned with that exact setup for a couple of months

NoNah
Posted - 2011.02.06 14:36:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Nimsir
Originally by: Cygnus Zhada
Originally by: Nimsir
Sadly I'm an idiot with unrealistic lolfits


Agreeing there.


and how is that an unrealistic lolfit? I missioned with that exact setup for a couple of months


As mentioned in my first post up there, what you did is how any missionrunner aiming to actually complete the missions would fit a drake, sadly, it's a pointless fit as no one who actually want to make isk and complete the missions would fly one.

It's slower than a raven, ergo fly a raven.

Hauling Hal
The Black Ops
Posted - 2011.02.06 14:36:00 - [24]
 

Edited by: Hauling Hal on 06/02/2011 14:36:21
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: NoNah
A typical drake setup does 250-300 dps, with max skills.
That's why you don't fly a typical fit, but go for a good one instead. It's trivial to get 500+ DPS out of a Drake.


Oh, dear, the EFT crowd enter a discussion again. Having 500 DPS with Kinetic isn't much use if the mission you are flying against targets that have very high Kinetic resists, then you have to use ammo THAT YOU HAVE NO BONUS FOR.

Cygnus Zhada
Viziam
Posted - 2011.02.06 14:40:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Nimsir
Originally by: Cygnus Zhada
Originally by: Nimsir
Sadly I'm an idiot with unrealistic lolfits


Agreeing there.


and how is that an unrealistic lolfit? I missioned with that exact setup for a couple of months


- It doesn't DO 720 dps, unless you overheat or add implants (so the number is silly)
- you use fury without rigors so your expl radius is huge
- it's *kinda* expensive to waste on a BC while you could use the cash for a decent CNR instead

So your numbers are a lie and it's a waste of cash: Unrealistic.

Hauling Hal
The Black Ops
Posted - 2011.02.06 14:42:00 - [26]
 

Edited by: Hauling Hal on 06/02/2011 14:43:01
Edited by: Hauling Hal on 06/02/2011 14:42:40

Originally by: Nimsir
Sadly most people are idiots when it comes to drake fitting. The Drake is a fine ship for level 4 missions when fit correctly, and only a shade behind the Raven.

[Drake, New Setup 1]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System

Gistii B-Type Small Shield Booster
Gistii B-Type Small Shield Booster
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Invulnerability Field II
Caldari Navy Heat Dissipation Field
Caldari Navy Ballistic Deflection Field

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
[empty high slot]

Medium Bay Loading Accelerator II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I


Hobgoblin II x5

720 DPS with drones



433 DPS tank Vs your strongest resist with all skills at Level 5, like WOW! And how much did that fit cost? Looks like an EFT fit to me, not one someone has ever used.

Originally by: Nimsir
Learn to fit people



Very true here.

Nimsir
Posted - 2011.02.06 14:43:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: NoNah
Originally by: Nimsir

and how is that an unrealistic lolfit? I missioned with that exact setup for a couple of months


As mentioned in my first post up there, what you did is how any missionrunner aiming to actually complete the missions would fit a drake, sadly, it's a pointless fit as no one who actually want to make isk and complete the missions would fly one.

It's slower than a raven, ergo fly a raven.


That depends a bit on the situation though. Overall, yes the raven is going to be a bit faster, but for those who are going the Tengu route and don't wish to waste time training cruise missiles its a valid alternative.

Also the raven sucks.

NoNah
Posted - 2011.02.06 14:46:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Nimsir

That depends a bit on the situation though. Overall, yes the raven is going to be a bit faster, but for those who are going the Tengu route and don't wish to waste time training cruise missiles its a valid alternative.

Also the raven sucks.


Why would you waste time training BC 5 and droneskills if you're going the Tengu route?

Nimsir
Posted - 2011.02.06 14:47:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Hauling Hal
Edited by: Hauling Hal on 06/02/2011 14:43:01
Edited by: Hauling Hal on 06/02/2011 14:42:40

433 DPS tank Vs your strongest resist with all skills at Level 5, like WOW! And how much did that fit cost? Looks like an EFT fit to me, not one someone has ever used.

Originally by: Nimsir
Learn to fit people



Very true here.


Clearly you don't mission much eh? Its 460dps cap stable tank for Guristas which is like 70% of the missions you do, plus its over 400 dps tank for Mercs, Angels, Serp, EoM, and Drones.

Nimsir
Posted - 2011.02.06 14:50:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: NoNah


Why would you waste time training BC 5 and droneskills if you're going the Tengu route?


Granted the BC 5 is prolly a waste, but if you aren't using drones once in a while on a Tengu you are doing it wrong. Figure it out


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