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Denise Bloch
Posted - 2011.02.06 05:33:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Denise Bloch on 06/02/2011 05:34:16
I guess you could call this a petition, or a request.

I want it clear that I'm not here saying to change it, or not to change it, I simply want to know what the game designers and our elected representatives think? Because as long as I have played this game there have been... discussions.. about this, most of them less civil than others, call it what you want. Sometimes you won't see one for a month, sometimes you'll see 10 of them a day. The recent CSM comment in the minutes "AFK cloaking is lame" seems to have created another storm of them.

Nobody wants to touch the issue with a 10 foot pole from what I've seen, which is understandable, but until someone does we're going to have an endless stream of posts about it.

So someone step up and find out.

Is it intended game design? If so then all the people who don't want it changed will have one very simple argument to throw in all these threads. CCP looked and it and said it was working as intended.

Is it not? Then why has CCP left it for so long? Are they simply afraid of the player base backlash?

It probably won't end of the posts, but then at least it wouldn't be one side repeating the same argument as last week, in a new thread, while the other side uses the same defenses. We will at last have an answer from the designers and representatives point of view, that's all I want.

Kim Jong Lau
Gallente
Hysteria Nexus
Posted - 2011.02.06 14:23:00 - [2]
 

AFK Cloaking is our only defence against botters, are you saying you want to make it easier to bot?

Face it AFK cloakers ONLY affect botters, no one else, if you complain you are a bot!

Denise Bloch
Posted - 2011.02.06 17:08:00 - [3]
 

Edited by: Denise Bloch on 06/02/2011 17:08:39
Originally by: Kim Jong Lau
are you saying you want to make it easier to bot?

Originally by: Denise Bloch
I want it clear that I'm not here saying to change it, or not to change it


I've gone out of my way to state that I don't intend to express an opinion on the matter here, nor do I want this to be another topic where both sides argue about the issue. There are plenty of those in other parts of the forums, lets keep them there.

This is just a request to the CSM to broach this topic with CCP, whatever the outcome, because it's one that isn't going to go away. Both sides feel strongly about it, and that is usually the job of elected representatives, to present issues from the player base to CCP.

Kim Jong Lau
Gallente
Hysteria Nexus
Posted - 2011.02.06 18:10:00 - [4]
 

Edited by: Kim Jong Lau on 06/02/2011 18:10:54
CCP already stated "AFK Cloaking" is lame, in the CSM minutes, but guess what theres more of a chance of AFK cloaking getting changed than 0.0

Wouldnt want to make bots angry would we :P

BeanBagKing
Terra Incognita
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2011.02.06 18:24:00 - [5]
 

Edited by: BeanBagKing on 06/02/2011 18:25:26
Originally by: Kim Jong Lau
Edited by: Kim Jong Lau on 06/02/2011 18:10:54
CCP already stated "AFK Cloaking" is lame, in the CSM minutes, but guess what theres more of a chance of AFK cloaking getting changed than 0.0

Wouldnt want to make bots angry would we :P


Just to correct the record on CCP's/CSM's behalf, CCP didn't state anything about AFK cloaking, and as far as I know, never has. What CSM said I wouldn't conclude to be a statement of their stance on the issue either.

Quote:

Minutes Part 3
CSM concerns: Any disruption must involve activity (AFK cloaking is lame).


Note here that AFK cloaking wasn't specifically being discussed, only 0.0 changes/updates (official heading for that section was "Post Dominion 0.0"). It seems like a side comment, it could have been added as a general feeling amongst the CSM, without them necessary feeling that it was wrong or unfair. It could have been a comment by one CSM, not representing the majority, etc.

Anyway, I don't think it's right for anyone to construe that as any kind of official stance on the issue. For all I know they are perfectly in favor of it because of it's effects on local. Whatever my opinions and the outcome of a discussion with the devs may be, I agree that I'd like to see the issue officially resolved.

mazzilliu
Caldari
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2011.02.06 18:33:00 - [6]
 

afk cloaking is awesome, cry more carebear tears mua hahaha hahaha

Denise Bloch
Posted - 2011.02.06 19:11:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: mazzilliu
afk cloaking is awesome, cry more carebear tears mua hahaha hahaha


Well, thanks for responding to a genuine request like a troll, I guess I know who I won't be voting for in the next CSM. And no, it has nothing to do with your position on the matter, I might agree with you, I might not, I've tried to do my best to refrain from expressing an opinion here as I didn't want this to become another discussion on the matter between trolling players, on both sides. I see the CSM itself is determined to drag it to that level.


Kim Jong Lau
Gallente
Hysteria Nexus
Posted - 2011.02.06 20:08:00 - [8]
 

hahaha aww Mazz is amazing, ill definitely vote for you <3

mazzilliu
Caldari
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2011.03.01 19:41:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Denise Bloch
Originally by: mazzilliu
afk cloaking is awesome, cry more carebear tears mua hahaha hahaha


Well, thanks for responding to a genuine request like a troll, I guess I know who I won't be voting for in the next CSM. And no, it has nothing to do with your position on the matter, I might agree with you, I might not, I've tried to do my best to refrain from expressing an opinion here as I didn't want this to become another discussion on the matter between trolling players, on both sides. I see the CSM itself is determined to drag it to that level.




Oh, the tears of unfathomable sadness! Mm-yummy!

the only people who advocate getting rid of afk cloaking are sad carebears who have it used against them all day Very Happy

Jovan Geldon
Gallente
Lead Farmers
Kill It With Fire
Posted - 2011.03.01 20:29:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: mazzilliu
afk cloaking is awesome, cry more carebear tears mua hahaha hahaha


+1 vote for mazz

Imigo Montoya
Wildly Inappropriate
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.02 03:52:00 - [11]
 

Whether it is intended or accidental is beside the point - it's a good mechanism regardless.

AFK Cloaking is one of many mechanisms which encourage co-operative play. If you have an afk cloaker in your system and you're wanting to go about your business, you will need to make sure you have backup. Ships that can fit a covops cloak and be sitting in your sanctum watching you generally have weak tank, DPS, or both, so it's not like they're a huge threat.

There is very little PvE content in the game that can't be soloed in the right ship. Encouraging people to work together is what EVE is all about - it is after all a Massively Multiplayer game.

This is my stance on AFK cloaking anyway - working as it should.

Swynet
State War Academy
Posted - 2011.03.02 07:04:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Kim Jong Lau
AFK Cloaking is our only defence against botters


It's abolutly not any kind of solution to the problem.
Do I have some? -no
Just ask CCP to people who need to merge the multiple alts acounts in a single one and make them be abble to train normaly for each char with his own attributes.

What would this change? -tons of alts accounts

-if you need a scout alt then you'll still be doing like every one else: trial account with a fake name/blah blah mail adress or, an alt with your second account or you'll ask it to any newbbie.

- this means less people afk'ing mission/youpor'n, tv, film, catch, superbowl or whatever leaving their hulk mining ice for 15Mn before he gets filled, OR, a simple bot that will not answer you more than the guy's i've mentioned before.

Quote:
Face it AFK cloakers ONLY affect botters!


No not true, and I'm pretty sure you're realy belive what you're sayingbut you've got screwed.
Everyone in low/0.0 space will learn you this when you are flying an industrail: whenever a neutral apears either you turn your cloaking device on or you just dock/return to POS/log out

This is how it works, and it's not the 21st century's new.

All you guys are doing is screw the local intell, mobilise forces to search stupid cloakers while they could do much better of their game time play.

Thx to you no reasonable miner or whatever with a strip/lazer miner will ever deplete a single rock while your scum alts are there.
you think you've done something about bots? you didn't, you've just s'hited once more on real players.

bbtop
Triangular Initiative
STR8NGE BREW
Posted - 2011.03.02 20:04:00 - [13]
 

I am a personal fan of afk cloaking and would hate to see this aspect of the game changed in any way. Its a good way and reminder that in 0.0, you are in 0.0. I dont think that CCP intended for 0.0 to be a care free zone. If someone is cloaked in local... go some where else, cause you never know when those AFK cloaky people are actually not afk.
Point and case here Not really AFK Cloaked

Aureleos
Void Angels
Wildly Inappropriate.
Posted - 2011.03.02 20:12:00 - [14]
 

If CCP makes it impossible to bot, then I will support getting rid of AFK cloaking. If they do this without making botting impossible then people will simply build bots to make AFK cloaking feasible again. Just saying.

Dramaticus
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.02 20:21:00 - [15]
 

who cares about bots

Ilusionist
Posted - 2011.03.02 20:23:00 - [16]
 

i'm sorry "afk cloaking only effects botters," that is absolute bull****.

Tell me you ******ed high sec puppies if i'm in my null sec system with no station and want my ship to be off scan so they don't know i have my nyx (not that i have a nyx but anyway)in system, but i also satyed logged in cause chances are 200 people have me o na blacklist trying to kill me i will afk cloak my arse off to save my ship.

Don't be stupid and ignorant and say afk cloaking only affects botters when you really have no clue.

On a less *****ing point yes CSM need to ahve a good sit down and talk about it, for better or worse.


 

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