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Ituralde
Amarr
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2011.02.13 20:04:00 - [121]
 

Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
Originally by: Ituralde
Well-written but if you want to look that far back, you can see this was in the works before IAC was ever conceived of, much less before BOB/MC hit IAC.

Unless you are going to say you paid someone to hit that one guy with a truck, etc.


IAC was just an 'entry vector' or a way to stitch two sides of the map together. It was there, we snuck in, we realized we were in charge, we decided to start stirring. If it wasn't IAC, it would have been Ushra'Khan we used, but they caught us sneaking in, which I think is pretty funny looking back. The whole era was very opportunistic for us.


Yes, but you are overstating the value IAC had in fanning the flames of the conflict.

As you clearly remember but for the sake of a good story are choosing to omit, Goons started out in Syndicate and made a play for Cloud Ring back in the spring/summer of '06. D2 was just about to abandon the region, but for the sake of their e-image, came back to ****-kick the upstart goons going after it.

Right around then, the Smoske incident happened, goons talked ****, and BoB decided to head to Syndicate to wait for the goons when they came back from Cloud Ring to SU-. Bob kicked them out of syndicate, said there are no goons, talked **** about how they'd stomp on any attempt the goons made to re-enter 0.0 in a meaningful way. This is why the goons had it in for BOB initially.

To go back to the other side of EVE, that conflict dates back to when The Five controlled all of the ex-CA space in the east back in 2005. RA pos-spammed the entire region until -5- decided it wasn't worth their effort. Suprm died, Black w/e and ATUK went up north, but Shinra and M. corp later abandoned the rest and formed Lotka Volterra and returned to the far east. Their coalition, formed later with everyone and their brothers had knocked RA down to one station system, C-J6MT, a name that makes those who remember it still feel a bit sick inside. Red Alliance put up an excellent defense, and LV, ERA, Veritas Immortalis, and their other coalition mates (Chimera Pact and Knights of Southerncross iirc) were content to let them stew for a while.

ERA then failcascaded after getting hotdropped/logintrapped by RA and went to empire, and RA began to push back.

That's when goons came into the picture.

At that time, IAC was a fledgeling group, busy fighting off Curse Coalition stealthbomber camps and trying to spread its wings. They fought a brief war with LV, but it wasn't until much later that they had enough muscle internally (after Ushra'Khan was kicked out of provi in early '07 after the disaster in QR-K85 and beyond) to even begin to effect things. That's almost a full year after this stage was set with goons helping RA take out Veritas Immortalis and progressively the rest of the LV-led coalition.

So, your alternate history is interesting, but the fulcrum point of this string of events is earlier than you say it is.

If you greased the wheels to help this along, then good for you. But don't pretend like this was all your doing.

Beyond that, the second failcascade of IT was inevitable after their coalition got their poo pushed in their ill-advised assault on H-W9TY and they fractured internally. Once it was shown INIT's allies (being generous to INIT itself) weren't up to the task of holding recovered -A- and its stainwagon allies down, the writing was long past on the wall for IT.

Ace Frehley
Minmatar
Mercenaries of Andosia
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2011.02.14 12:34:00 - [122]
 

I was field marshal for Chimps mark I..............
Now i lied, but I did Sex up Frank Moss so hard he fainted YARRRR!!

Velios
Minmatar
M. Corp
M. PIRE
Posted - 2011.02.14 13:31:00 - [123]
 

Originally by: Ituralde


Yes, but you are overstating the value IAC had in fanning the flames of the conflict.

As you clearly remember but for the sake of a good story are choosing to omit, Goons started out in Syndicate and made a play for Cloud Ring back in the spring/summer of '06. D2 was just about to abandon the region, but for the sake of their e-image, came back to ****-kick the upstart goons going after it.

Right around then, the Smoske incident happened, goons talked ****, and BoB decided to head to Syndicate to wait for the goons when they came back from Cloud Ring to SU-. Bob kicked them out of syndicate, said there are no goons, talked **** about how they'd stomp on any attempt the goons made to re-enter 0.0 in a meaningful way. This is why the goons had it in for BOB initially.

To go back to the other side of EVE, that conflict dates back to when The Five controlled all of the ex-CA space in the east back in 2005. RA pos-spammed the entire region until -5- decided it wasn't worth their effort. Suprm died, Black w/e and ATUK went up north, but Shinra and M. corp later abandoned the rest and formed Lotka Volterra and returned to the far east. Their coalition, formed later with everyone and their brothers had knocked RA down to one station system, C-J6MT, a name that makes those who remember it still feel a bit sick inside. Red Alliance put up an excellent defense, and LV, ERA, Veritas Immortalis, and their other coalition mates (Chimera Pact and Knights of Southerncross iirc) were content to let them stew for a while.

ERA then failcascaded after getting hotdropped/logintrapped by RA and went to empire, and RA began to push back.

That's when goons came into the picture.

At that time, IAC was a fledgeling group, busy fighting off Curse Coalition stealthbomber camps and trying to spread its wings. They fought a brief war with LV, but it wasn't until much later that they had enough muscle internally (after Ushra'Khan was kicked out of provi in early '07 after the disaster in QR-K85 and beyond) to even begin to effect things. That's almost a full year after this stage was set with goons helping RA take out Veritas Immortalis and progressively the rest of the LV-led coalition.

So, your alternate history is interesting, but the fulcrum point of this string of events is earlier than you say it is.

If you greased the wheels to help this along, then good for you. But don't pretend like this was all your doing.

Beyond that, the second failcascade of IT was inevitable after their coalition got their poo pushed in their ill-advised assault on H-W9TY and they fractured internally. Once it was shown INIT's allies (being generous to INIT itself) weren't up to the task of holding recovered -A- and its stainwagon allies down, the writing was long past on the wall for IT.


This historical account is pretty accurate, I was one of the guys high up in LV at the time... and yes C-J does give me the shivers still :) It's all ancient history now though... right?

Ituralde
Amarr
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2011.02.15 20:17:00 - [124]
 

Red Alliance owns C-J6MT, you tell me how ancient that stuff really is Shocked

I pity anyone who tries to invade them, the DRF have shown that they don't failcascade easily and fight tooth-and-nail for every last system. I wouldn't sign up for that fight.

Bared Bel'Medar
Caldari
Drunken Wookies
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2011.02.16 06:35:00 - [125]
 

Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
Originally by: Darth Baconbits
Duke Droklar = Istvaan Shogaatsu? Seriously, were it not for the fact that I was certain he had left the game, he is the only dude with that kind of hate for Evol. I also know all the guys who had "influence" in SA, and none of them gave that much of a crap about what Evol, up in VA/NVA/PA space were up to. In fact, the heart and soul of SA; MASS, COL, IGS, SGE/Species, IE-EX and TYC were on pretty good terms with Evol/m0o/ATUK. And SA could never out blob CA. Ever. Trust me, we tried. Every Night.

The timeline here makes no sense, BoB is by the standards of Molle's "career" the least signiicant era. ArcaneM0oVolution (what would later become DICE and a more active Evol), with boost from BNC and RKK was much more significant than any previous (or current) alliance in game. Most of those guys have left or emoraged out.

... Or are we ignoring 2003 to 2006?


That's insulting. I'm way classier than Droklar ever was!

(I actually have no idea what you're getting at here, but maybe Tyrrax might. I didn't play until the beginning of 2004. A lot of those acronyms you just name-dropped didn't factor into my plot significantly, or at all, so I'm not sure what you think they have to do with anything. All I did, in essence, was remotely and carefully groom a few large online communities to be potential antagonists, then created a convenient path for two armies to travel down and meet; the specifics are more complicated than the story, but it worked, and I win, yaaaaaaay! Istvaan claims all credit! All of it!)


I think I have an idea wtf he's on about.

Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
I knew I had to **** them off enough to come back in force, in the numbers the SA goons were notorious for.

Thronde
Amarr
Navy of Xoc
Wildly Inappropriate.
Posted - 2011.02.18 04:44:00 - [126]
 

I came into LV after the RA starting pushing back. I remember the epic fights had back then, and that Velios was an insanely awesome FC.

Chowdown and a few other names still come to mind too. I miss that era of EVE.

Shamis Orzoz
Minmatar
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2011.02.18 05:15:00 - [127]
 

Nice troll.

PandaStratton
Caldari
Wildly Inappropriate
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.02.18 08:14:00 - [128]
 

old news... lets talk about lady gaga and her big egg thing??

Istvaan Shogaatsu
Caldari
Guiding Hand Social Club
Dystopia Alliance
Posted - 2011.03.05 03:57:00 - [129]
 

Jesus, how'd I let this fall to page three? My apologies, for those of you realizing your parts just now...

Koronos
Minmatar
Interstellar eXodus
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2011.03.05 07:41:00 - [130]
 

Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
Istvaan Shogaatsu
Caldari
Rogue Drone Systems


Can I have your stuff?

Gertrud ToD
Minmatar
Terrorists of Dimensions
Electric Monkey Overlords
Posted - 2011.03.05 11:14:00 - [131]
 

this thread made me laugh!

its almost as funny as when the mittani was running arround holding speeches at conferences about how he killed bob.

people claiming credit for something they havent done seems to be common nowadays.

Kayl Breinhar
Gallente
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.05 13:37:00 - [132]
 

Edited by: Kayl Breinhar on 05/03/2011 13:38:16
Originally by: Gertrud ToD
this thread made me laugh!

its almost as funny as when the mittani was running arround holding speeches at conferences about how he killed bob.

people claiming credit for something they havent done seems to be common nowadays.

Actually IIRC the talks had way more to do with developing games that allowed you to be sneaky, underhanded, and not even have to log in much to have a giant impact on the game world, but hey, we're only posting in a thread where the OP's biggest *known* claim to fame is getting his name in PC Gamer back in 2005. vOv

EDIT: And also, BoB/Kenny/IT claimed to have killed us twice and never actually did, if you're keeping count.

Killer Gandry
Caldari
Shadow of the Pain
Posted - 2011.03.05 13:47:00 - [133]
 

I think I will just watch and enjoy.

Nice playing Istvaan. Ow and you still owe me some cigars.
Those will come in handy while keeping track of this thread.




Sverige Pahis
Caldari
Thunderwaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.05 14:35:00 - [134]
 

If I say I didn't really do it in a coy enough tone perhaps people will believe I'm subversive enough to have really did it.

Istvaan Shogaatsu
Caldari
Guiding Hand Social Club
Dystopia Alliance
Posted - 2011.03.05 15:00:00 - [135]
 

Originally by: Sverige Pahis
If I say I didn't really do it in a coy enough tone perhaps people will believe I'm subversive enough to have really did it.


That's the beauty of making a post like this.

Nyphur
Gallente
Pillowsoft
Posted - 2011.03.05 17:55:00 - [136]
 

Edited by: Nyphur on 05/03/2011 19:29:18

Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
Thus, IAC went to war against ISS, friend to BoB - and seemingly drew the counter-reaction of BoB's janissaries, the MC. (This, in fact, was our doing.)

I can't vouch for any part of the story, but I can give a tiny bit if insight into this quote. I was on ISS's management team when the war with IAC came. Publicly, we weren't friends with BoB and I don't think we were even seen as friends with BoB. They invited us to Period Basis as part of a profit-sharing moon mining deal, then kicked us out shortly thereafter. The ISS-BoB thing was due to the fact they took over that D2 station and then gave it to ISS (probably the biggest mistake ISS ever made was accepting that).

That said, the alliance leaders had informed me of a kind of "If we're screwed, they'll step in" arrangement. I always figured that arrangement was bull**** as we did get screwed and they didn't step in. How and when BoB got involved, I don't recall. But I know they weren't there when ISS was smashed to bits. Beyond the fact that the ISS-IAC war was arguably the beginning of the massive power blocs that later led to the coalitions against BoB, I don't really see how the ISS-IAC war furthered any vendetta against BoB. The Goons have always had it in for BoB, and for reasons that BoB concocted entirely by themselves and without help. Remember the whole "There are no Goons" thing?

One thing I CAN vouch for is the fact that the MC was probably not hired by ISS dueing the IAC-ISS war. The ISS leaders said that MC had volunteered to help, but MC pilots insisted they were being paid for the work. I figured either the leaders were lying to keep management spirits up by letting us know we had allies, or someone else had hired MC for that war. For years, I've suspected that MC were hired to strategically put us on the front lines of a war we couldn't win. They convinced us that the only way to win the war would be a complete and total assault, throwing everything we had at IAC and calling in all favours. They pushed us past the point of no return just before Christmas (when our alliance was mostly offline), then extracted themselves without warning and gave the enemy the opportunity to install a foothold POS. If I recall correctly, they extracted themselves from the war when AAA appeared on the scene because they said AAA were famed for ganking capital fleets during pos sieges. I've never bought that reasoning.


Hopefully that sheds a little more light on things. However, I think that claiming all the credit for something as inevitable as this is totally over the top. You paint yourself as the puppet master pulling every string with precision, but if anything all you did was try to nudge two opponents toward each other and speed the process along a little -- the net effect of which is indistinguishable from you having done absolutely nothing. It was always inevitable that EVE's two largest and most exclusive territorial alliances would go to war, and one of them would die. I'd paint you more as the victor of circumstance here, not the artisan of some grand plan. If you really did collect ISK for contracts to take down BoB/IT that the creators of are satisfied have been fulfilled, that scam itself is probably the biggest news here. Either way, congrats for still sticking around and doing your Istvaan Shogaatsu thing. EVE was getting a bit boring for a while there.

EDIT: Also I'm a month late to the party ;_;

Istvaan Shogaatsu
Caldari
Guiding Hand Social Club
Dystopia Alliance
Posted - 2011.03.06 03:05:00 - [137]
 

Over the top? Me?

Why, I never!

Istvaan Shogaatsu
Caldari
Guiding Hand Social Club
Dystopia Alliance
Posted - 2011.03.06 04:26:00 - [138]
 

Originally by: Shamis Orzoz
Nice troll.

Nice alliance, Shamis.

Istvaan Shogaatsu
Caldari
Guiding Hand Social Club
Dystopia Alliance
Posted - 2011.03.06 04:32:00 - [139]
 

Originally by: Kayl Breinhar
EDIT: And also, BoB/Kenny/IT claimed to have killed us twice and never actually did, if you're keeping count.

Hint: there is a reason why this happened the way it did.

Hint 2: the reason is me.

Admiral Goberius
Amarr
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2011.03.06 12:25:00 - [140]
 

Istvaan friend this isnt the market forum, if your thread needs to be bumped to stay in the first page it is because literally nobody cares.


Also unironic pity bump.

- Gob

darkfuntime
Minmatar
Infinite Improbability Inc
Posted - 2011.03.06 16:13:00 - [141]
 

Edited by: darkfuntime on 06/03/2011 23:01:32
You know its quite funny how many here are claiming how many peps are saying they had something to do with the fall of it/bob.

Mitch of Dark Rising Called that IT would fail 4 months the fall.The thing is he is too classy to post about it and i will make it short.

The story is the same as many alliances that have died before IT did,Greed and a leader who lost the will to lead.

Greed.Sir molle had quite a few IT corps running his money moons without any isk in return for a year or two.The only isk those corps made was about 5 bil.What was molle doing with the money you ask?.Before it was common knowledge(i knew what he was doing on cus I was lucky to have bros in the nc and pl) molle was saving the isk to pay pl.Which he had been talking to for quite some time and way longer that most everyone knew.


Leader who lost the will/and or the time to lead.As with many mid level underlings the power gets to there heads and the think they do all the work thus the mid level underlings belive the should lead.This never ends well.From what I know molle was busy gave a lot of control anyway and the rest is history.I do have to give props to molle for running his alliance as long as he did.Not a easy thing at all in this game.props to you molle



ITS to bad mitch from dark rising has way to much class to speak.The guy truly rocks.Its funny,coad ,evenews,kungu where like who is dark rising and blew off DR leaving IT as nothing.It was short sighted for all not to see it was the begining of the end for IT.




Lord Zap
Caldari
Fairlight Corp
Rooks and Kings
Posted - 2011.03.06 23:58:00 - [142]
 

Why do you taint past glories with this pointless thread Istvaan?

Razzor Death
Gallente
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.08 00:18:00 - [143]
 

I destroyed IT over a very challenging game of HON. Stop stealing my glory.

Lucian Alucard
Caldari
Black Vice Industries
Posted - 2011.03.08 04:00:00 - [144]
 

Now the wolves will turn on each other as they always do and they'll be back eventually, you of all people should know this Istvaan.

Jude Lloyd
Minmatar
Heretic Army
B A N E
Posted - 2011.03.08 05:17:00 - [145]
 

I honestly don't know much about 0.0 wars (lowsec is better), but I do congratulate you for completing an intricate goal over this many years.

Will Hunter
Gallente
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.08 11:54:00 - [146]
 

I give you credit for trolling all those drolling ******s

Siamese
Caldari
V0LTA
VOLTA Corp
Posted - 2011.03.08 12:16:00 - [147]
 

Originally by: Will Hunter
I give you credit for trolling all those drolling ******s


get bk in your tengu and clean ccp- for me..


Berrik Radhok
Amarr
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.08 14:37:00 - [148]
 

Istvaan, you're about as credible (and as heterosexual) as Jade Constantine.

LlamaOfDoom
Minmatar
Einherjar Rising
Cry Havoc.
Posted - 2011.03.09 00:15:00 - [149]
 

This Istvaan guy......
he likes himself quite a bit, doesn't he? Rolling Eyes

FOl2TY8
Gallente
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.09 00:19:00 - [150]
 

Originally by: Kumq uat

You do remember what we did last time someone called us not relevant right? You really want to go there?


no because you're not relevant


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