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Socinus
Minmatar
Aurora Reloaded.
EDGE Alliance
Posted - 2011.02.02 06:55:00 - [1]
 

Alright, let me preface this with something that y'all need to read and understand before you read the rest of it before you start kvetching. I'm not looking for pity/sympathy/revenge killing etc etc. This was my fault. I'll say it again, this was my fault. I've been playing this game for long enough that I should know that what I did was an extremely bad idea and I did it anyways. I fell for an old trick because I ignored the first rule in EVE; never, under any circumstances, give someone something up-front.

Now, for the backstory and cautionary tale. I was looking for a corp that did PVP that I could join and train with. I looked for a while and I got a convo from someone in GoonWaffe (SG Dukat, if you're curious) who wanted to talk to me about joining. That should have been the first red flag; I'm a nobody and someone from one of the biggest corps in EVE wants to try recruiting me even with my negative PVP skill. We talked for a while and he said I could join, but I'd have to pay a security deposit that would be held for a while after I'd been accepted, just to be sure I wasn't a spy. On reflection, that should have been the second red flag; what the **** would a security deposit do to deter or stop espionage?

I arrange the contracts and off my worldly possessions and meager funds go. He responded with a code that I was to put in the comment section of my application which I then submitted. Later that night I began doing all the mental processing that I should have done BEFORE hitting SEND and it clicked that that was a profoundly stupid thing for me to do. A few days later, the application comes back as (shocker!) rejected.

I've sent several messages to Dukat and the person responsible for rejecting the application (Mr Adebisi) politely (No, seriously, I was actually polite) requesting the return of my security deposit. Thus far I have not received (nor do I expect to receive) a response.

I've spent a while thinking about this (this is the whole "reflection" part) and a couple things ran through my mind. I knew that at SOME point in EVE I'd have a crippling loss of SOME kind; a freighter with half my stuff would get blown up, I'd forget a zero and sell something for a factor of ten less than it was worth, I'd get a seriously expensive ship ganked. I've tried my best to avoid it, but I knew that eventually, my moment would get me. I kinda wondered how I'd react, I've invested a lot of time and energy into this game and what I have (had) represents that in a very real way so I thought I'd probably lose it when that moment came.

On thinking about it, I'm not actually...upset. I mean yeah I'm a little bummed about basically EVERYTHING I owned, but other than that...I'm not really bothered that much. It's ****ing weird, I try to be a zen guy but there are things I don't handle very well and wasted time is one of those. But I didn't ragequit, I didn't send death-threats, I didn't stalk anybody.

I find myself at this point sort of going "Well...what now?" For a while I just didnt really know what to do; I dont have the capital to re-buy my losses and regenerate it and the ships are gone, so...what now? Back to frigates? I think I might actually do something I've thought about doing for a while. When I joined EVE, I tried to find a corp that would teach things like industrial work and manufacturing while working to help it's students with resources as well as experience. There wasn't one then and, to my knowledge, there isn't one now. I know individual corps will try to groom new industrial pilots, but I dont think there are any corps specifically for training new industrial pilots.

I feel like scams like this create a lot of ill-will among players and it makes people less likely to want to help each other if they need it and it makes acts of kindness a lot less frequent. (More in next post)

Socinus
Minmatar
Aurora Reloaded.
EDGE Alliance
Posted - 2011.02.02 06:58:00 - [2]
 

Sad, but that's how the game is played and I think it might be a better use of my time and energy to do something, like starting an industrial teaching corp, that would maybe try to undo some of that and show new players (and maybe some old ones) that it doesnt have to be "Backstab In Space" all the time. It's certainly better for my bloodpressure than spamming the forums or *****ing to CCP :)

Again, this is not an appeal for sympathy or any kind of support, I know this thread is probably going to be flamed to hell (probably by some of the Goons :) ) and honestly I dont care what accusations are going to be flying, I really am past caring. This is more me thinking out loud, so I guess this thread is a little more for me than for anyone else.

In the end, I made a rookie mistake and it cost me pretty much everything. I'll just have to not make that mistake again (so I can make new and exciting mistakes!)

Final Stupidity Tax Cost:
Cheetah (Unfitted)
Cyclone (Unfitted)
Hound (Unfitted)
Mackinaw (Unfitted)
Tempest (Unfitted)
Caldari Control Tower Small
Hulk (T2 Fitted) (Joke's on you, the drones are all busted and the crystals are spent! :P)

****ing ouch.

Schwa88
The Priesthood
The 0rphanage
Posted - 2011.02.02 07:00:00 - [3]
 

Edited by: Schwa88 on 02/02/2011 07:00:36
What is it with people and walls of text today. Can I get a TL;DR version?

Edit: Sniped his own thread...

Vandiilo
Gallente
Full Metal Jacket LLC
Posted - 2011.02.02 07:03:00 - [4]
 

An excerpt from their official recruitment policy:

Joining GoonWaffe
If you gave isk to join GoonWaffe then you were scammed and you're **** out of luck.

https://wiki.goonfleet.com/Joining_GoonWaffe

L2google

Schwa88
The Priesthood
The 0rphanage
Posted - 2011.02.02 07:07:00 - [5]
 

Thanks bro.

Hey OP you know there are like over 9000 of these threads already right?

Taedrin
Gallente
Kushan Industrial
Posted - 2011.02.02 07:13:00 - [6]
 

Ouch, it's a tough thing to lose everything you own. First of all, there is an important lesson for you here: ALWAYS keep money making ship in reserve in high sec. That way you'll never be in one of those: "Well, it's either quit or go back to frigates".

Something you need to realize about goons are that they originally came to EVE in an attempt to destroy the game. It just so turned out that EVE is exactly the sort of hive of scum and villainy that was perfect for them Laughing

Anyways, you will most likely be laughed at for your mistake here in C&P. C&P is quite unforgiving (and dare I say immature) when it comes to things like this.

Just remember this: you are older and wiser now. Working your way back up won't be nearly so difficult now that you know what you are doing.

As for finding a corp that will teach you about industry and manufacturing, you should check out Eve University. THey teach courses in just about every single facet of EVE. The only thing they DON'T cover, IIRC, are POSes and 0.0 sov.

Socinus
Minmatar
Aurora Reloaded.
EDGE Alliance
Posted - 2011.02.02 08:47:00 - [7]
 

Edited by: Socinus on 02/02/2011 08:47:46
Originally by: Vandiilo
An excerpt from their official recruitment policy:

Joining GoonWaffe
If you gave isk to join GoonWaffe then you were scammed and you're **** out of luck.

https://wiki.goonfleet.com/Joining_GoonWaffe

L2google

Sonny, if I knew then what I know now...Very Happy

Hindsight and all that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aovi-kEpui4

Grace Wing
Gallente
Garoun Investment Bank
Posted - 2011.02.02 09:43:00 - [8]
 

This is the second thread about this nonsense on the first page. Stop polluting cp with your failed trolling and unquenchable thirst for attention. Goons are getting desperate.

Socinus
Minmatar
Aurora Reloaded.
EDGE Alliance
Posted - 2011.02.02 18:43:00 - [9]
 

Edited by: Socinus on 02/02/2011 18:50:01
Originally by: Grace Wing
This is the second thread about this nonsense on the first page. Stop polluting cp with your failed trolling and unquenchable thirst for attention. Goons are getting desperate.

I assure you, this is quite real. I gots chat logs an screen shots an evythang!

Want to see?

Grace Wing
Gallente
Garoun Investment Bank
Posted - 2011.02.02 18:54:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Socinus
I assure you, this is quite real. I gots chat logs an screen shots an evythang!


Post them. Your api-key as well. Full key of course.

Socinus
Minmatar
Aurora Reloaded.
EDGE Alliance
Posted - 2011.02.02 19:54:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: Socinus on 02/02/2011 19:54:15
Originally by: Grace Wing
Originally by: Socinus
I assure you, this is quite real. I gots chat logs an screen shots an evythang!


Post them. Your api-key as well. Full key of course.

Cant oblige on the API key (I'm funny like that), but I can on the chatlog.
http://www.mediafire.com/?8q4et8zn0643pju

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b221/Alecto222/contract2.jpg
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b221/Alecto222/contract1.jpg

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Sergiiy Kortos
J5 Industries
Posted - 2011.02.02 22:45:00 - [12]
 

You lost about 400 mil worth of stuff, worst case scenario thats 15 bucks spent on a plex, bam you're back in the game.

Spruillo
Gallente
Spruillo Corp
Posted - 2011.02.02 23:36:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Socinus
Alright, let me preface this with something that y'all need to read and understand before you read the rest of it before you start kvetching.


I was already kvetching when i clicked the thread what do I do now?

Two Shots
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.02.03 00:41:00 - [14]
 

@Socunis:

Goons aren't going to come to your thread and flame you. The guy who allegedly scammed you probably doesn't even remember your name, if things went down the way you claim. As you stated, you're a nobody. Goons don't care about you. The best thing you can do right now is use this as a learning experience to avoid putting a lot of emotional ties into space pixels, and move on to enjoying some other game (or this terrible one if you really must).

DonnieDarkio
Gallente
Posted - 2011.02.03 03:33:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Two Shots
@Socunis:

Goons aren't going to come to your thread and flame you. The guy who allegedly scammed you probably doesn't even remember your name, if things went down the way you claim. As you stated, you're a nobody. Goons don't care about you. The best thing you can do right now is use this as a learning experience to avoid putting a lot of emotional ties into space pixels, and move on to enjoying some other game (or this terrible one if you really must).

take this wise goons advice, for him being a goon and giving you advice like that..remember it at least he isnt making fun of you on this thread.

Helican Vamberfeld
Saberick Interest and Development
FreiTek Heavy Industries
Posted - 2011.02.03 04:03:00 - [16]
 

I must say that life will be good when we can finally shoot gewns again... and testes.

@ OP, If you would like information on good industrial learning corps, message me in-game.

Headerman
Minmatar
Quovis
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
Posted - 2011.02.03 05:05:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Helican Vamberfeld
I must say that life will be good when we can finally shoot gewns again... and testes.

@ OP, If you would like information on good industrial learning corps, message me in-game.


Excuse me?

Xylorn Hasher
Posted - 2011.02.03 09:19:00 - [18]
 

Seriously how someone who isn't 10 days old newb can be so STUPID?Shocked
Are you so naive in RL too? Damn man you shocked me like a hell

c370 Gypsy
Posted - 2011.02.03 09:53:00 - [19]
 

Edited by: c370 Gypsy on 03/02/2011 09:53:26
Quote:

[ 2011.01.28 07:32:42 ] Socinus > I have to say, I'm a little uncomfortable just giving these ships up. I realize they're logged, Goonswarm does have a good reputation



ROFL
good reputation for scamming recruits that it ;)

Bargealta McSpacebuxx
That's What a Spy Would Say
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.02.03 23:42:00 - [20]
 

Edited by: Bargealta McSpacebuxx on 03/02/2011 23:44:31

My corp would never do such a thing, feel free to apply and I'll cut the usual entrance fee in half.

Revii Lagoon
The Foreign Legion
Wildly Inappropriate.
Posted - 2011.02.04 01:37:00 - [21]
 

Meh we all make mistakes at one point or another, at least you are going to learn from your mistakes and move on.

Fart Taco
Posted - 2011.02.04 03:47:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Helican Vamberfeld
I must say that life will be good when we can finally shoot gewns again... and testes.


shoot blues ery day amirite?

Barakkus
Posted - 2011.02.04 04:30:00 - [23]
 

What's a Goon?

Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
Posted - 2011.02.04 07:48:00 - [24]
 

Is there a TL;DR-version of this op?

Socinus
Minmatar
Aurora Reloaded.
EDGE Alliance
Posted - 2011.02.04 09:24:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Misanth
Is there a TL;DR-version of this op?

Yes, but it's even longer

Originally by: Xylorn Hasher
Seriously how someone who isn't 10 days old newb can be so STUPID?Shocked
Are you so naive in RL too? Damn man you shocked me like a hell

Love you too Smile

Sarulin Farii
Gallente
University of Caille
Posted - 2011.02.04 10:17:00 - [26]
 

a little help sent from a true newb : p

Zyrashana
Posted - 2011.02.04 11:21:00 - [27]
 

See that scam there? You shouldn't have fell for it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rmUZQrvF5o

Exordium8
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2011.02.04 16:08:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Fart Taco
Originally by: Helican Vamberfeld
I must say that life will be good when we can finally shoot gewns again... and testes.


shoot blues ery day amirite?

erry day all day

Dark Drudis
Minmatar
Shoot Blues Every Day
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.02.04 16:48:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Fart Taco
Originally by: Helican Vamberfeld
I must say that life will be good when we can finally shoot gewns again... and testes.


shoot blues ery day amirite?


urrite

Socinus
Minmatar
Aurora Reloaded.
EDGE Alliance
Posted - 2011.02.05 00:27:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Sarulin Farii
a little help sent from a true newb : p

Thanks, I appreciate it. It's good to see there are still good people in EVE Smile


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