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Nicholai III
Posted - 2011.01.25 23:09:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Nicholai III on 25/01/2011 23:12:11
for Radarboy

I was all minding my own business in T1 cruisers and below, and all of a sudden, out of nowhere, a dominix (radarboy) warps in and starts attacking me. I said in local that such an action is against the rules.

A keen eye needed for seeing the evidence. I am hovering my mouse over the beacon, which clearly says T1 cruisers and below, and he starts attacking me.

http://s847.photobucket.com/albums/ab33/Moneybox14/Evidence/?action=view¤t=20110125230325.jpg


(didnt realize I could edit post, sorry for the waste of time)

Nicholiai
Posted - 2011.01.25 23:12:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: Nicholiai on 25/01/2011 23:15:41
sorry for the time waste, I am same person as above...but yeah, that link shows.

CCP Oneiromancer

Posted - 2011.01.26 09:58:00 - [3]
 

This is not against the rules. You were at a FFA.

Kepakh
Posted - 2011.01.26 10:04:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: CCP Oneiromancer
This is not against the rules. You were at a FFA.


Dominix isn't 'Cruiser and Below' thus does not belong to FFA8.

Bernadictus
Caldari
S.A.S
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2011.01.26 15:02:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: CCP Oneiromancer
This is not against the rules. You were at a FFA.


The OP is in FF8 - T1 Cruisers and smaller. According to my last inquiry, a Dominix is still considerd a T1 Battleship.

TL;DR: Dominix is violating test server rules. Oneiromancer hasn't checked the screenshot :D

CCP Oneiromancer

Posted - 2011.01.26 15:30:00 - [6]
 

The FFA beacons are not part of the test server rules. They are simply guidelines.

Black Nyx
Posted - 2011.01.26 16:06:00 - [7]
 

Edited by: Black Nyx on 26/01/2011 16:42:25
nvm, it seems "2) No Capital ships or fighter drones outside FFA2." is part of the written rules rather than just a guideline.

Chris Bailey
Posted - 2011.01.26 16:16:00 - [8]
 

Yeah someone instapopped my mach when i was taking out 2 ravens in the Battlecruisers and below arena

Daneel Trevize
Gallente
Posted - 2011.01.26 16:21:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: CCP Oneiromancer
The FFA beacons are not part of the test server rules. They are simply guidelines.
Quoted for FAIL. Rolling Eyes

Achaikos
Posted - 2011.01.26 16:26:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: CCP Oneiromancer
The FFA beacons are not part of the test server rules. They are simply guidelines.


So you are saying that we can warp like caps to bc and smaller and stuff ?:D

Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
Posted - 2011.01.26 16:37:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Achaikos
Originally by: CCP Oneiromancer
The FFA beacons are not part of the test server rules. They are simply guidelines.


So you are saying that we can warp like caps to bc and smaller and stuff ?:D


Good luck with that one. The capital ship restriction in the FFA areas is clearly mentioned in the rules.

Avon
Caldari
Versatech Co.
Raiden.
Posted - 2011.01.26 20:28:00 - [12]
 

Edited by: Avon on 26/01/2011 20:44:48
Originally by: CCP Oneiromancer
The FFA beacons are not part of the test server rules. They are simply guidelines.


This is a troll post, right?

Or was the post where you said only frigates should use FFA 5 the troll post?

Hard to keep up.

Nicholai III
Posted - 2011.01.26 22:47:00 - [13]
 

Ok, well sorry for being a fail. Any way to delete this topic?(thread?)

Bernadictus
Caldari
S.A.S
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2011.01.27 08:50:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: CCP Oneiromancer
The FFA beacons are not part of the test server rules. They are simply guidelines.


So, this just gave us all the 'green card' to do whatever we please concerning engaging lower class ships in different FFA's. I realize that it's a pain in the ass to enforce, but I do not consider it to be smart for a CCP representative to state that it's guidelines, rather than rules.

Ken Cook
Cobalt Dragon Exploration Company
Gentlemen's Agreement
Posted - 2011.01.27 10:20:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: CCP Oneiromancer
The FFA beacons are not part of the test server rules. They are simply guidelines.


I always knew it was easy to work for CCP.

Headerman
Minmatar
Quovis
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
Posted - 2011.01.27 10:25:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Bernadictus
Originally by: CCP Oneiromancer
The FFA beacons are not part of the test server rules. They are simply guidelines.


So, this just gave us all the 'green card' to do whatever we please concerning engaging lower class ships in different FFA's. I realize that it's a pain in the ass to enforce, but I do not consider it to be smart for a CCP representative to state that it's guidelines, rather than rules.


+1

And only the other day i said to someone ya cant get someone banned if they warped their nyx to FFA1 and RR's someone

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2011.01.27 11:19:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: CCP Oneiromancer
The FFA beacons are not part of the test server rules. They are simply guidelines.
You should probably go and edit this post then, since it quite clearly states that:
Originally by: CCP Mephysto
FD-MLJ RULES

1) NO PODDING!
2) No Capital ships or fighter drones outside FFA2.
3) No dropping of multiple secure cans, control towers, bubbles or other "trash" in space anywhere.
4) NO fighting outside the stations.
5) No bombs in FFA's.
6) No area of effect warp inhibiting modules of any kind in FFA's (warp disruption probes, fields, bubbles).

Any breach of the rules will be met with harsh uncaring reactions (ie permabanned from testing for first offence).

These are in addition to the standard testing server rules.
You should either remove the consistent, unambiguous and very clear use of the word "rule" in that post, or you should divide the post into two sections — rules and guidelines — and move points 2,5 and 6 to the guideline section.

That, or just accept that you were being very silly when you wrote what I quoted. Rolling Eyes


…in fact, if we go by your guidelines, we cannot fight at the FFAs because the rules clearly state "no fighting outside the stations" and the FFAs are quite obviously not inside the stations, and the actual rules will obviously supersede any silly little "guideline".

So there you have it folks: we cannot ever shoot each other in FD-MLJ unless we do it inside the stations. Laughing

Kinet Icrunnr
Posted - 2011.01.27 11:25:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Tippia
So there you have it folks: we cannot ever shoot each other in FD-MLJ unless we do it inside the stations. Laughing


i was going to say something clever about walking in stations but i forgot what

Keitaro Baka
Babylon Scientific and Industrial Enterprises
Babylon Project
Posted - 2011.01.27 13:25:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: CCP Oneiromancer
The FFA beacons are not part of the test server rules. They are simply guidelines.
You should probably go and edit this post then, since it quite clearly states that:
Originally by: CCP Mephysto
FD-MLJ RULES

1) NO PODDING!
2) No Capital ships or fighter drones outside FFA2.
3) No dropping of multiple secure cans, control towers, bubbles or other "trash" in space anywhere.
4) NO fighting outside the stations.
5) No bombs in FFA's.
6) No area of effect warp inhibiting modules of any kind in FFA's (warp disruption probes, fields, bubbles).

Any breach of the rules will be met with harsh uncaring reactions (ie permabanned from testing for first offence).

These are in addition to the standard testing server rules.
You should either remove the consistent, unambiguous and very clear use of the word "rule" in that post, or you should divide the post into two sections — rules and guidelines — and move points 2,5 and 6 to the guideline section.

That, or just accept that you were being very silly when you wrote what I quoted. Rolling Eyes


…in fact, if we go by your guidelines, we cannot fight at the FFAs because the rules clearly state "no fighting outside the stations" and the FFAs are quite obviously not inside the stations, and the actual rules will obviously supersede any silly little "guideline".

So there you have it folks: we cannot ever shoot each other in FD-MLJ unless we do it inside the stations. Laughing


The rules should probably be updated to include fighter bombers anyway, but yeah I understand what you're trying to convey Oneiromancer, but this really isn't the best way to do.

Yes you guys don't have the time to ban every idiot who accidentally warps a wrong sized ship to one of the FFA beacons (heck we've all seen that happen) and you don't want to spend a lot of time on figuring out who to ban from sketchy killmails, logs which say nothing and screenshots that reveal nothing.

However, I agree that saying it like this is just inviting people to completely screw over the FFA system.. please give some context to go with your comment Oneiromancer!!

Avon
Caldari
Versatech Co.
Raiden.
Posted - 2011.01.27 18:27:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Headerman
And only the other day i said to someone ya cant get someone banned if they warped their nyx to FFA1 and RR's someone


Except the rules explicitly state that capital ships are not to be used outside of FFA2.
Good try though.


Rhodera
Posted - 2011.01.27 20:23:00 - [21]
 

Edited by: Rhodera on 27/01/2011 20:25:27
Originally by: Keitaro Baka


(Rant about the word RULE.)...<snip>


I think the point is that though the rules specifically rule out using capships at the wrong FFA, they do not state that 'Only the classes in the title of the beacon are allowed to fight at that beacon'

You can hardly ban someone for breaking a rule that does not exist can you, whatever your arguments on the rules being worded properly?

Until they are, now that his has been brought to everyones attention, expect gangs not caring about FFA guidelines until the rules are updated. Until then, the rules stand as they are written (and confirmed by a CCP dev).

Woooo....to the test server!!! Very Happy

Niveon
Posted - 2011.01.28 20:19:00 - [22]
 

Quote:
[20:15:25] ISD SquishyFishy > Out of FFA 6 now please
Someone didn't get the memo...

CCP Oneiromancer

Posted - 2011.01.28 20:29:00 - [23]
 

The only rule that specifically mentions ship sizes is the second rule for FD-MLJ. The rest of the FFA beacons are not included in the rules. We will not ban players for going to a FFA with a different size ship. Which is what this thread was about.

There will be a change of rules and setup for the test server and this discussion will become irrelevant.

Avon
Caldari
Versatech Co.
Raiden.
Posted - 2011.01.28 20:40:00 - [24]
 

Edited by: Avon on 28/01/2011 20:42:01
Originally by: CCP Oneiromancer
The only rule that specifically mentions ship sizes is the second rule for FD-MLJ. The rest of the FFA beacons are not included in the rules. We will not ban players for going to a FFA with a different size ship. Which is what this thread was about.

There will be a change of rules and setup for the test server and this discussion will become irrelevant.


In which case, why was a new beacon created to resolve the destroyers in frigate FFA dispute?

If you don't think it matters what ships are a which FFA, why did you do this? If you do think it matters, make it clear in the rules.

Honestly, I don't think you grasp quite how disruptive and counter-productive your stance on this is.


Edit: I look forward to see what you do with the new rules and sisi setup - I just think it is bad form to make us wait until then for sanity to prevail.

Daneel Trevize
Gallente
Posted - 2011.01.28 20:48:00 - [25]
 

I'm guessing different adjacent systems rather than beacons for different ship class battles, leaving killmails able to prove violations (unless there was a consensual conflict, as will be claimed by all who are banned, and thus we'll need a clear true FFA place so there's no risk of bans).

Or a correctly fully seeded market as in the last mirror, and a constant moveme channel bot so no one cares about being podded?

Captain Mastiff
Posted - 2011.01.29 01:38:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: CCP Oneiromancer
The FFA beacons are not part of the test server rules. They are simply guidelines.


Holy mother of god, have we hit the motherload today!

Leo07
Posted - 2011.01.29 19:47:00 - [27]
 

CCP Oneiro... after your statement no one is taking the ffa beacons seriously... people are taking machariels out to kill frigates and cruisers in those ffa's which are not designated to BS sized ships... you feelin happy with yourself for making a lot of CCP members' life a little more stressful because of all teh new complaints they getting?

Delaeon
Caldari
Posted - 2011.01.29 21:06:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Leo07
CCP Oneiro... after your statement no one is taking the ffa beacons seriously... people are taking machariels out to kill frigates and cruisers in those ffa's which are not designated to BS sized ships... you feelin happy with yourself for making a lot of CCP members' life a little more stressful because of all teh new complaints they getting?


Yeah, saw that comming. ugh

Most of the FFAs in FD are simply for seeing how long your tank will last in a many-vs-one gank fight.

Carth Oansi
Posted - 2011.01.29 21:54:00 - [29]
 

Honestly it defeats the purpose of having marked FFA's, why even make names if theyre just suggestions? People will bring what they want at that point anyway, or hope to go kill a bunch of little stuff... FD is just a big running riot now and totally ruins the way the system was meant to work... Way to go CCP for ruining another game dynamic WITHOUT a patch! Woo hoo... It's a great day in the eve universe when people of all different opinions and playing styles can come together and criticize CCP's stunning PR

Niveon
Posted - 2011.01.29 23:35:00 - [30]
 

It's now degenerated to 20man fleets of the usual gankers in all manner of ships just touring all the FFAs. BFs seem the only place to fight while these guys are getting their jollies.


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