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Axe Coldon
Posted - 2011.01.26 20:10:00 - [211]
 

Incursions are tough. but to say you have to be a multiyear vet with all level 5's is not true. I am okay with CCP leaving it and giving us time to adapt.

Incursions are like Raids now. Who has ever went on a raid and not had a healer? you can't. you die. Though fleet after fleet gets wiped because they don't have RR and Logistics.

A mandatory fit is every ship bc or larger has RR. And each fleet as at least 2 logistics. Bigger fleets should have more. the bare minimum is 1 per squad. Ideally 2. IN Raid we call this the Main cleric and the backup. You have to be able to heal those around you and those the sansha pick as primary.

Finally in eve we have pickup groups. Its great! I have met more players since tuesday then in the last 2 years. Okay..that's a stretch..but pickup groups is a good way to vet people you might want in your corp someday.

If they dumb it down....then any incursion will be over in a few minutes..hours at most. Give the Players a chance to rise to the occasion.

One suggestion, they can tweak the penalties in the systems. but overall I like it. High Sec is finally a challenge. In the words of a 5 year vet yesterday "I've seen cap ships die faster then that Sansha battleship". And we had a grp of 50+ shooting at it!

Diablo Maximus
Posted - 2011.01.26 20:12:00 - [212]
 

Edited by: Diablo Maximus on 26/01/2011 20:14:39


Originally by: Razin
Edited by: Razin on 26/01/2011 20:07:15
Originally by: Diablo Maximus


In that incursion (Colelie and surrounding systems) there were more than 3500 player ships total destroyed in the past 24 hours. This puts 0.0 battle related deaths to UTTER shame. Over 3,500 player ships (first day incursion related) destroyed and the incursion was not repelled beyond 47%! When was the last battle in the game what saw over 3,500 capsuleer deaths within a timeframe of 24 hours?

Comparing PvP battle stats with mass extermination of bear-lemmings by NPCs is retarded.


What is ret4rded is you being one of those who are smoking too much weed.

My comparison was well qualified. I fyou cant understand what point I was making, you need a brain.

In the end, over 3,500 PLAYER ships (in a day and on a single event) are dead with nothing to show for it. That is where incursion is at. That is unheard of in EVE.

Kautsuo
Posted - 2011.01.26 20:22:00 - [213]
 

Only think which is ******ed is Incursion itself. Loose raven fitted with T2 mods to 10 frigs in 15 SECONDS is insane. CCP should reconsider what to deploy in incursion. FRIGS not BC or BS but FRIGS. LOL

Ranka Mei
Caldari
Posted - 2011.01.26 20:23:00 - [214]
 

Originally by: Leovarian Lavitz

I was FC'ing a forty man fleet picked up from the incursion channel and local, we did all-right even though they didn't have fleet drilling. We still completed sites, we still made profit. I was the only one from my alliance in the fleet most of the time, occasionally another member would join in for a bit.

The trick is to pick a single tank type, and stick with it. If you are an armor fleet with armor bonus and logi, don't go picking up every drake and maelstrom pilot in local, and if you are a shield fleet, don't go picking up all those domi's and vexors! Splitting tank = Total fleet death.

Remember to bring EWAR! Sensor Damps ftw for field control. Make the enemy move into range, rather than moving into their range.

Remember that almost every ship in the fleet can fit a remote rep module, greatly increasing your fleet's chances of survival. Almost every ship in the fleet can fit ewar. Use these to your advantage. Or complain about the incursions being 'too hard' because a single marauder can't solo them.


So, you were recruiting out of local, fought, and lived to tell about it? Impressive. :) Not sure I would trust people recruiting in local, but apparently you're not the only one reporting that some Incursion sites can be done.

Who knows, perhaps new high-sec based corps will form, with the sole purpose of dealing with Incursions. I'd be interested in that, tbh.

Decon Ko
Posted - 2011.01.26 20:30:00 - [215]
 

Edited by: Decon Ko on 26/01/2011 20:31:49
Quote:
null
Originally by: PJriddick
Originally by: Venge Daveed
Originally by: GeoBlue
Point blank and to the end this was an overkill on ccp's part. This is all about more money, simple as that. We all have heard the horror stories of trying to fight in these incursions, and so far the majority says it sucks, so deal with it.I watched BS's die to sansha rifters and t3 ships last only a few seconds, thats cool and fair? How is that, oh yeah people lose more ships and then might have to buy PLEX so they can get more, hmmmm interesting thought isn't it. ...)]


BINGO!

[block of whine]

This is BS, and I don't mean "battleship." Surely CCP should realize that they have given FARRRRR too much capability to the Sansha.





no,
and no,

sorry to say this, but you guys fail to get the point of the incursions.
If you want to play solo in your badly badly fit ships, sure, just go do level 4s.
I love this game for the fact that CCP is not very likely to tone them down, and will just let systems rot under incursion penalties until a competent group of capsuleers moves in for the bounty.
The incursions are focused on capable groups of capsuleers who can adequately evaluate the situation, properly compose a fleet, and move in with a well thought-out and executed tactic (no, really , it's not as hard as it sounds, players do it every day). I'm sure the groups you were in / saw / heard about, failed in one of the above.

Also,there are people who lose ships to PVP combat all the time, and few rely on PLEX to replace them. TBH, if you need to buy PLEX to replace boats lost to rats, you deserve it.
Also, you (and/or the groups you play with) are probably just not good enough for incursions.
But don't worry guys, not everyone's cut out for everything this game has to offer, it's the reason EVE only has ~350.000 active subscribers ;)
Also one of the reasons it's so awesome, but if you can't do better than lvl4s, and don't like that, I'm sure there's lots of other games out there you'll love, I hear the new WOW expansion is good Laughing, and there's even some new sci-fi themed MMOs out.
I haven't seen incursions, and don't intend to bother unless the Sansha are on my doorstep, but from the reports I hear, they're what they were intended to be, demanding.
And well, maybe a good opportunity for some good-old YARRRR!! fun.

Venge Daveed
Posted - 2011.01.26 20:30:00 - [216]
 

Originally by: Axe Coldon
Incursions are tough. but to say you have to be a multiyear vet with all level 5's is not true. I am okay with CCP leaving it and giving us time to adapt.

Incursions are like Raids now. Who has ever went on a raid and not had a healer? you can't. you die. Though fleet after fleet gets wiped because they don't have RR and Logistics.

A mandatory fit is every ship bc or larger has RR. And each fleet as at least 2 logistics. Bigger fleets should have more. the bare minimum is 1 per squad. Ideally 2. IN Raid we call this the Main cleric and the backup. You have to be able to heal those around you and those the sansha pick as primary.

Finally in eve we have pickup groups. Its great! I have met more players since tuesday then in the last 2 years. Okay..that's a stretch..but pickup groups is a good way to vet people you might want in your corp someday.

If they dumb it down....then any incursion will be over in a few minutes..hours at most. Give the Players a chance to rise to the occasion.

One suggestion, they can tweak the penalties in the systems. but overall I like it. High Sec is finally a challenge. In the words of a 5 year vet yesterday "I've seen cap ships die faster then that Sansha battleship". And we had a grp of 50+ shooting at it!

I'm one of those complaining, yet I see the wisdom in your post. Well said.

I admit that it would be tragic to dumb-down the game since raising the bar to allow continuous challenge is one of the hallmarks of the EVE experience. Dumbing-down is NOT something I hope to see occur. As I become more experienced I hope never to find myself bored with an easy game.

All I really request is, perhaps, a better description or ranking from CCP regarding the potentially immense level of difficulty that low to moderate experience level players will encounter with Sansha.

I particularly like the way you provide helpful tips and instruction in your post. And I too see the potential of greatly multiplied player to player interaction and comradery as a result of the Sansha incursions. Communication barriers tend to break down quickly when all share a common threat. In that respect, the incursion feature was a brilliant move by CCP since it definitely promotes more player interaction and inter-workings. I was looking for a fleet to join last night and noticed numerous request from fleets for members; otherwise, taking on Sansha was suicide. (I committed suicide. lol)

Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron
Legion of xXDEATHXx
Posted - 2011.01.26 20:31:00 - [217]
 

Originally by: Diablo Maximus

My comparison was well qualified. I fyou cant understand what point I was making, you need a brain.

In the end, over 3,500 PLAYER ships (in a day and on a single event) are dead with nothing to show for it. That is where incursion is at. That is unheard of in EVE.

What do you mean nothing to show for it? What about all these tears?

Bears have been pointlessly dieing all along. That's PvE in a PvP game. The fact that you can't see this speaks volumes.

D'Kelle
Posted - 2011.01.26 20:37:00 - [218]
 

Originally by: Cildipus
Originally by: Fox Andromeda
This is simply put, the best eve patch ever. if you dont like the sansha incursions your not playing the right game. you should be playing a game more suited to your age :) one with no moving parts.


While I agree to some degree that this game is intended to be more challenging than others and retain a higher level of intelligence than mainstream mmos, I don't agree with the idea of forcing players into combat situations where new players simply won't be ready for them.

As for carebears..... I see nothing wrong with a player who enjoys market trading or activities involving non-combat orientated gameplay. The game is afterall capitalistic and I think people are too hard on what carebears are about.
There is simply too much at stake for players with no combat skills or experience. I don't consider it a great update when it forces your players to lose what they spent the last 7 months of gameplay trying to earn. A hulk isn't cheap and for a player to earn his first one, is a milestone - Tell me its fair that CCP releases an update that could and probably has, caused a 7 month old account to lose a 200mil hulk. Not cool. And people wonder why there are macro miners.


These incursions are going to **** the macro minsers right off and all normal pilots will likely stand asside and laugh very loudly as the game cheaters get wasted, or at least blocked for a fair while keep it up CCP send more and more Sansha to the belts.

Evell Grey
Posted - 2011.01.26 20:38:00 - [219]
 

Originally by: Karia Sur
Originally by: Evell Grey
People sign up for EVE just to run incursion sites? haha.


now go back and read what i posted and take a couple of minutes to digest what i actually wrote before making an half-assed comment.


I suggest you actually read your own words while you type them.

Originally by: Karia Sur
but i think a lot who specifically joined for the Incursions, will not be here in 2 months.


Kautsuo
Posted - 2011.01.26 20:43:00 - [220]
 

Originally by: Decon Ko
Edited by: Decon Ko on 26/01/2011 20:31:49
Quote:
null
Originally by: PJriddick
Originally by: Venge Daveed
Originally by: GeoBlue
Point blank and to the end this was an overkill on ccp's part. This is all about more money, simple as that. We all have heard the horror stories of trying to fight in these incursions, and so far the majority says it sucks, so deal with it.I watched BS's die to sansha rifters and t3 ships last only a few seconds, thats cool and fair? How is that, oh yeah people lose more ships and then might have to buy PLEX so they can get more, hmmmm interesting thought isn't it. ...)]


BINGO!

[block of whine]

This is BS, and I don't mean "battleship." Surely CCP should realize that they have given FARRRRR too much capability to the Sansha.





no,
and no,

sorry to say this, but you guys fail to get the point of the incursions.
If you want to play solo in your badly badly fit ships, sure, just go do level 4s.
I love this game for the fact that CCP is not very likely to tone them down, and will just let systems rot under incursion penalties until a competent group of capsuleers moves in for the bounty.
The incursions are focused on capable groups of capsuleers who can adequately evaluate the situation, properly compose a fleet, and move in with a well thought-out and executed tactic (no, really , it's not as hard as it sounds, players do it every day). I'm sure the groups you were in / saw / heard about, failed in one of the above.

Also,there are people who lose ships to PVP combat all the time, and few rely on PLEX to replace them. TBH, if you need to buy PLEX to replace boats lost to rats, you deserve it.
Also, you (and/or the groups you play with) are probably just not good enough for incursions.
But don't worry guys, not everyone's cut out for everything this game has to offer, it's the reason EVE only has ~350.000 active subscribers ;)
Also one of the reasons it's so awesome, but if you can't do better than lvl4s, and don't like that, I'm sure there's lots of other games out there you'll love, I hear the new WOW expansion is good Laughing, and there's even some new sci-fi themed MMOs out.
I haven't seen incursions, and don't intend to bother unless the Sansha are on my doorstep, but from the reports I hear, they're what they were intended to be, demanding.
And well, maybe a good opportunity for some good-old YARRRR!! fun.


Decon Ko you just dont understand it lol. Nobody was talking about soloing it lol. There was all fleets wiped out in minute or two by FRIGS!!! At least but Battlecruisers or BS with that dmg not fecking frigs!!

SkinSin
Posted - 2011.01.26 20:45:00 - [221]
 

Originally by: Razin
What do you mean nothing to show for it? What about all these tears?

Bears have been pointlessly dieing all along. That's PvE in a PvP game. The fact that you can't see this speaks volumes.


All this glee and vitriol about carebear tears...
When your own copr & alliance has been complaining of CCP griefing them with Incursions

Evell Grey
Posted - 2011.01.26 20:47:00 - [222]
 

Originally by: Cildipus
While I agree to some degree that this game is intended to be more challenging than others and retain a higher level of intelligence than mainstream mmos, I don't agree with the idea of forcing players into combat situations where new players simply won't be ready for them.


Who is being forced into these situations?

Pugzilla Black
Posted - 2011.01.26 20:56:00 - [223]
 

Originally by: Venge Daveed
Originally by: Diablo Maximus
Originally by: FeralShadow
#1. LOGISTICS LOGISTICS LOGISTICS

Did a simple incursion last night, and we had nearly 3-4 logistics ships. we didn't even sweat


-Feral


Where you the one I looted the Gist X-type sheidl boost amplifier from?

Ok. I see the beginnings of a "Sansha Battlefield Looting Guide." You've convinced me. Tonight I fly a cloaked Noctis. Idea (And will likely not have it to fly tomorrow. Rolling Eyes


Please let us know how ninja salvage at an Incursion site goes. I have been thinking about doing just that as there is sure to be some very nice loot from trashed decked out player ships floating around.

Diablo Maximus
Posted - 2011.01.26 20:56:00 - [224]
 

Edited by: Diablo Maximus on 26/01/2011 21:01:15
Originally by: Razin
Originally by: Diablo Maximus

My comparison was well qualified. I fyou cant understand what point I was making, you need a brain.

In the end, over 3,500 PLAYER ships (in a day and on a single event) are dead with nothing to show for it. That is where incursion is at. That is unheard of in EVE.

What do you mean nothing to show for it? What about all these tears?

Bears have been pointlessly dieing all along. That's PvE in a PvP game. The fact that you can't see this speaks volumes.



You obviously paid attention to only one post out of an entire thread of discussion.

I didnt lose anything to sansha. I fed off of the tears of you all who died. My cargohold is full of your faction and t2 loot. So no tears for me, just laughing to the bank. At the same time, ill be honest... there is next to nothing to show for fighting sansha. okay you get a small amount of LP if you are lucky enough to be in the fleet that does the most damage, but that is it... if you are lucky thats all you get, except dead. The LP you get, isnt worth the fleet you lose to a few frigs.

Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron
Legion of xXDEATHXx
Posted - 2011.01.26 21:02:00 - [225]
 

Originally by: SkinSin
Originally by: Razin
What do you mean nothing to show for it? What about all these tears?

Bears have been pointlessly dieing all along. That's PvE in a PvP game. The fact that you can't see this speaks volumes.


All this glee and vitriol about carebear tears...
When your own copr & alliance has been complaining of CCP griefing them with Incursions

Krutoj makes an excellent point: we don't want your scripted PvE filler messing with our emergent game content.

Bomberlocks
Minmatar
CTRL-Q
Posted - 2011.01.26 21:03:00 - [226]
 

Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
EVE Online Incursion 1.1.2 will be deployed Thursday, January 27, 2011. Incursion 1.1.2 includes several fixes to issues introduced by Incursion 1.1.0. The deployment process will begin at 10:00 UTC and is expected to be completed by 13:00 UTC.

Patch notes are now available.


Patch notes, CCP'tards?

Argonaught
Minmatar
Cabbage Tea
Posted - 2011.01.26 21:09:00 - [227]
 

Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
EVE Online Incursion 1.1.2 will be deployed Thursday, January 27, 2011. Incursion 1.1.2 includes several fixes to issues introduced by Incursion 1.1.0. The deployment process will begin at 10:00 UTC and is expected to be completed by 13:00 UTC.

Patch notes are now available.




So deploying it tomorrow.

Where are the Notes????????

Argo.

Karash Amerius
Sutoka
Posted - 2011.01.26 21:28:00 - [228]
 

Originally by: Venge Daveed
Originally by: Axe Coldon
Incursions are tough. but to say you have to be a multiyear vet with all level 5's is not true. I am okay with CCP leaving it and giving us time to adapt.

Incursions are like Raids now. Who has ever went on a raid and not had a healer? you can't. you die. Though fleet after fleet gets wiped because they don't have RR and Logistics.

A mandatory fit is every ship bc or larger has RR. And each fleet as at least 2 logistics. Bigger fleets should have more. the bare minimum is 1 per squad. Ideally 2. IN Raid we call this the Main cleric and the backup. You have to be able to heal those around you and those the sansha pick as primary.

Finally in eve we have pickup groups. Its great! I have met more players since tuesday then in the last 2 years. Okay..that's a stretch..but pickup groups is a good way to vet people you might want in your corp someday.

If they dumb it down....then any incursion will be over in a few minutes..hours at most. Give the Players a chance to rise to the occasion.

One suggestion, they can tweak the penalties in the systems. but overall I like it. High Sec is finally a challenge. In the words of a 5 year vet yesterday "I've seen cap ships die faster then that Sansha battleship". And we had a grp of 50+ shooting at it!

I'm one of those complaining, yet I see the wisdom in your post. Well said.

I admit that it would be tragic to dumb-down the game since raising the bar to allow continuous challenge is one of the hallmarks of the EVE experience. Dumbing-down is NOT something I hope to see occur. As I become more experienced I hope never to find myself bored with an easy game.

All I really request is, perhaps, a better description or ranking from CCP regarding the potentially immense level of difficulty that low to moderate experience level players will encounter with Sansha.

I particularly like the way you provide helpful tips and instruction in your post. And I too see the potential of greatly multiplied player to player interaction and comradery as a result of the Sansha incursions. Communication barriers tend to break down quickly when all share a common threat. In that respect, the incursion feature was a brilliant move by CCP since it definitely promotes more player interaction and inter-workings. I was looking for a fleet to join last night and noticed numerous request from fleets for members; otherwise, taking on Sansha was suicide. (I committed suicide. lol)


More posts like this and I will think these are not the real Eve forums.

Dueling Chainsaws
Caldari
The Dominion of Light
Posted - 2011.01.26 21:39:00 - [229]
 

Patch notes have been updated, looks like they haven't updated the OP yet. Maybe they will add stuff to it before the update.

Holy Cheater
Monks of War
DarkSide.
Posted - 2011.01.26 21:43:00 - [230]
 

- Nothing about hoods
- Nothing about gray overview
- Nothing about warfare links

So what's this all about?

Dirk Decibel
Posted - 2011.01.26 21:56:00 - [231]
 

Originally by: Holy Cheater
- Nothing about hoods
- Nothing about gray overview
- Nothing about warfare links

So what's this all about?
It's about me getting my daytrading skill working again so I can start earning isk from all those Incursion ppl who get their ships destroyed. Very Happy

Ranka Mei
Caldari
Posted - 2011.01.26 21:57:00 - [232]
 

Quote:

Character Creation and New Player Experience

A history slider function has been added to the character creator. This allows players to undo and redo changes they have made when designing their character.

サンキュー :)

Quote:

Users can no longer proceed to the Portrait screen without equipping a shirt beforehand.

Alas, now you're reverting to modern American puritanism. Though I understand some would take the opportunity to create a toon as naked as possible, some characters, however, with like a bodywarmer on, but bare arms, were actually quite styllish.

Kalpel
Caldari
United Systems of the Allegiance
Important Internet Spaceship League
Posted - 2011.01.26 22:02:00 - [233]
 

No where in the patch notes do I see a fix for the SELECT ITEM window (upon undocking it will resize itself every time even if it is pinned )

Also please give us an option to turn OFF the new shadow box where system information is located, it is IMO an eye sore and not needed as the text has always been easy to see

thank you!

Eeio
Fire Paths Divide MInds
The United Corporations
Posted - 2011.01.26 22:02:00 - [234]
 

Quote:
The Dock option is now third - under approach and orbit - in the right-click drop down menu.


Meh. I liked having it at the bottom now.

Akaylah Lafisques
Posted - 2011.01.26 22:06:00 - [235]
 

Originally by: GeoBlue
Point blank and to the end this was an overkill on ccp's part. This is all about more money, simple as that. We all have heard the horror stories of trying to fight in these incursions, and so far the majority says it sucks, so deal with it.I watched BS's die to sansha rifters and t3 ships last only a few seconds, thats cool and fair? How is that, oh yeah people lose more ships and then might have to buy PLEX so they can get more, hmmmm interesting thought isn't it. I would like to see a single player be able to do these incursions, remember the "SANDBOX" that Eve is to be ccp?? Where the players i.e. "payees" that play this game has a free will in what he/she wants to be or do in this game. Can we please balance out this incursion crap and get back to the heart of Eve? I play this game for the different challenges, friends I look forward to talking to from all over the world, and dreams I had as a kid. NOT to get my "balls" clamped in a vise, and be told what to do. FIX THE GAME, BALANCE OUT THE INCURSIONS SO IT CHALLENGING YET DOABLE AND FUN EVEN FOR SINGLE PLAYERS TO DO ALONE AND LETS GET BACK TO PLAYING THE GAME WE LOVE!!!Smile


Ok, I'm quoting you, but there are several others who have posted similar crap. What the heck is wrong with you people? You don't HAVE to participate in Incursions. And they are DESIGNED to be hard. They are DESIGNED to require large numbers of pilots. They are DESIGNED to bring friends and foes alike together to counter the Sansha threat. If you want small incursions to complete by yourself, just do any level 4 mission. Want to be able to do an incursion with just a couple of your friends? Do a level 5 mission. Don't be stupid and post ridiculous crap like this.

Widemouth Deepthroat
Posted - 2011.01.26 22:09:00 - [236]
 

no fix gang bonus wtf

delay patch and fix it motherlicker

sembur
Posted - 2011.01.26 22:14:00 - [237]
 

These patch notes are gold. 80% of what I was hoping to see. Looking forward to this but my skill queue is larger than 3 days. Razz

Oloncessi
Posted - 2011.01.26 22:26:00 - [238]
 

Quote:
Character Creation and New Player Experience

Some eyeliners were not displaying the correct color. This has now been fixed.


Wow thank you so much CCP, now I can finally log in cuz I was covered with shame, having the wrong eyeliner color.

Overview neutral gray state fix?

Sorry I know it's hard, one fix at a time.

Kaeda Maxwell
Black Rebel Rifter Club
Posted - 2011.01.26 22:46:00 - [239]
 

Quote:
Users can no longer proceed to the Portrait screen without equipping a shirt beforehand.


If you retroactively change my portrait or force me, I will be well displeased CCP. I like boobs.

ROXGenghis
Perkone
Posted - 2011.01.26 22:46:00 - [240]
 

Originally by: Oloncessi
Quote:
Character Creation and New Player Experience

Some eyeliners were not displaying the correct color. This has now been fixed.


Wow thank you so much CCP, now I can finally log in cuz I was covered with shame, having the wrong eyeliner color.

Overview neutral gray state fix?

Sorry I know it's hard, one fix at a time.


Is this their attempt to fix it?

Originally by: "patchnotes"
Pilots now have two options in the overview filter:

* No Standing and Neutral Standing.
o When "No Standing" is unchecked, only pilots who are in your contact list will appear in your overview.
o When "Neutral Standing" is unchecked, pilots who are in your contacts as "Neutral" will no longer appear in the overview.



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