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Yuriza Epsilon
Posted - 2011.01.27 10:09:00 - [301]
 

Originally by: DrefsabZN
Originally by: laksmi2
@ venge daveed

i think the empire dwellers (aka carebears) should see incursions as a chance to get to content that they had no access to before. incursions can be a training ground for pvp. imo pvp is the core concept of eve. its so much more rewarding than pve. one of my fondest memories in eve is the turning point of the g-alliance invasion into ascn alliance space in i think 2005. (both long dead now) g trying to keep the system under control with a fleet of 80 and ascn keeping on coming fighting, dieing, reshipping and whittling us down one ship after the other. all that while iron alliance fleet (g ally) was held up on its way to help us by an ascn ally and finally arrived too late to turn the tide. pve cant give you such moments.
incursions can teach how to fit, how to behave in fleet, how to communicate in combat and so on. a chance to not be just another victim and cannonfodder in real pvp.


100% agree with you,but do NOT forget that this game has an economy...and dont forget there are players who play this just for the missioning,or trading or other non-pvp aspects.Imagine all miners ( including macros :) ) dissapearing...i ll see what u ll do then...PVP mining fleets?yea i know there is some but then again,pvp ers play this game for pvp..not for mining,so altho i agree with you that eve has a lot of PVP in it,it is not 100% pvp,so there should be features for all...u know..you dont discuss taste..not everyone likes what i like or u like,cheers


Incursions are PvE content and should be accessible to everyone of all skill levels. That being said if they are too difficult few people will do them and I don't think that is what CCP is going for. I personally think that the armor resistence penalties should be lessened or have "easy" and "hard" pockets to cater to the wider range of skill levels.

Aline Kia
Caldari
FireStar Inc
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2011.01.27 10:10:00 - [302]
 

Originally by: Jane Griffin

No fix to the new 'extra click' you have to do to use the CTRL button when locking targets on overview after moving mouse from one client window to another?

Is this yet another downgrade to the client UI that you will ignore going forward?



|Just as a FYI, they changed it so there's a time delay (approx. 1sec) between you pressing CTRL and it registering you have for locking targets. Wait for the "lock target" pop up to appear above your ships health bar and then you can one click on the overview.

Not sure what the benefits of this UI change are though =\

half san
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.01.27 10:10:00 - [303]
 

About PI

When I put 6 extractors on richest spot on planet, they extract resourses in 2 days, so I have to find and move them on next good spot on planet.

It did not happen until Incursion 1.1.1.


Farrah Contractor
Posted - 2011.01.27 10:13:00 - [304]
 

Originally by: Evell Grey
Originally by: Karia Sur
Originally by: Ranger 1
1: Please point me to the Dev blog that states Incursions were intended to be doable solo, or by noob players.




Expansions are meant as an improvement to the existing game, and also as a means of attracting new players to said game. If you remove the Incursions from the expansion, then you are left with a character creator which although good, is not an integral part of the game (yet), and a tarted up version of PI which has been out for awhile. On that score, CCP have failed massively with this expansion in the customer recruiting sense. I admit some new accounts will train up the required skills in order to take part, but i think a lot who specifically joined for the Incursions, will not be here in 2 months.

PS. This is not a nerf-incursions post.


People sign up for EVE just to run incursion sites? haha.

First of all, anyone has not played eve will not know enough to even know what an incursion is or what it means or if its worth doing or probably if they've even found one when they log on or not.

Second... Incursions is the only worthwhile content in Eve ATM? I wasn't aware, I'm too busy doing other **** in this massive game.

And on a related note: To the people are saying, "This isn't fair! I pay for this game and i can't beat these complexes solo, or with **** ships, or with no organization" It is not your RIGHT to beat this. it is your right to TRY and beat it if you want.

And to people who said this f'd up hi-sec for carebear players? Jump over a system, dude. Jesus.

Evell


Are you sh!tting me? Or are you on crack??
CCP put advertising in front of the Tron film. They spent big bucks to attract new players....

Yet their marketing arm seems to have had a major communication disjunct with their E-peen rich Dev arm (one of whom was spotted in Altingal constellation saying that 'The incursions are not too hard, you just need to learn not so suck so much'... yeah, great customer service in the face of player frustration).

Inspiration
Posted - 2011.01.27 10:13:00 - [305]
 

"Users can no longer proceed to the Portrait screen without equipping a shirt beforehand."

WTF, are you kidding me?

I am not going to redo my character after having it fine at last!

On another note, where are the very much needed gang bonuses fixes? You cannot expect organized fleets, that are properly set up without a few command ships compensating for the system penalties and enhancing skirmish tactics.

These bugs have been in since the last part of incursion has been rolled out, and there is no clear reason why it would suddenly be broke in the first place. So no excuse why it should not be fixed now!


Rita's Catastrophy
Posted - 2011.01.27 10:16:00 - [306]
 

Well i good remember when they say that SLEEPERS are gonna be tought.. Yeah they are but can be soloed but this can take time, and harder sides are really hard... but then when u jumping inside the Incursion site... just forget about surviving... my ship died in less than 10 seconds, its less than any logistic ship would be able to lock me down, pimp my shield/armor anything and just DO anything cause im dead, logi ship dead, ewar ships dead, everyone dead cause of surrounding EWAR from rats :] GREAT CCP! as im a manufacturer finally i can earn some good cash from producing drakes : d if a drake is falling, or a nighthawk is falling in few seconds, that means something wrong, a lv 5 tankfited rattlesnake dying in an few seconds ??? when he is easly doing lv 5 sites? oh come one wth ?

Lahila Astravnar
Posted - 2011.01.27 10:18:00 - [307]
 

Originally by: CCP Patch notes

Users can no longer proceed to the Portrait screen without equipping a shirt beforehand.



Absurd. The most attractive feature of the game removed!

SwissChris1
Playboy Delivery Service
S E D I T I O N
Posted - 2011.01.27 10:19:00 - [308]
 

Edited by: SwissChris1 on 27/01/2011 10:20:06
Quote:
The Dock option is now third - under approach and orbit - in the right-click drop down menu.


Finally...

Originally by: Lahila Astravnar
Originally by: CCP Patch notes

Users can no longer proceed to the Portrait screen without equipping a shirt beforehand.



Absurd. The most attractive feature of the game removed!


That's what I was thinking Smile

Nevira Ehilaikinn
Posted - 2011.01.27 10:27:00 - [309]
 

Originally by: Lahila Astravnar
Originally by: CCP Patch notes
Users can no longer proceed to the Portrait screen without equipping a shirt beforehand.


Absurd. The most attractive feature of the game removed!


I agree. This is a woman freedom rights limitation.

b0ksah
Minmatar
Nomads
Nulli Secunda
Posted - 2011.01.27 10:27:00 - [310]
 

Originally by: tehSiner
dock command has been moved again? lol
just make it customizable ffs


Ye ... lets us get a fully customized UI ..

CTRL + click ..they new way is REALLY REALLY bad in fleet fight with a billion ships ... plz don't make your game worse ... it should get better right? or Am I wrong? It's a misplaced "improvement" in user friendlieness ... plz redo it ... new players will learn anyway .. even with out "nice" gfx help ... delay sux ..

syrus mac
Posted - 2011.01.27 10:28:00 - [311]
 

Originally by: Inspiration
"Users can no longer proceed to the Portrait screen without equipping a shirt beforehand."

WTF, are you kidding me?

I am not going to redo my character after having it fine at last!

On another note, where are the very much needed gang bonuses fixes? You cannot expect organized fleets, that are properly set up without a few command ships compensating for the system penalties and enhancing skirmish tactics.

These bugs have been in since the last part of incursion has been rolled out, and there is no clear reason why it would suddenly be broke in the first place. So no excuse why it should not be fixed now!



i agree....your char does look fineRazz

JunoTan
Gallente
Aperture Harmonics
K162
Posted - 2011.01.27 10:31:00 - [312]
 

Users can no longer proceed to the Portrait screen without equipping a shirt beforehand.


you cant do that, Not with only 5-6 shirts available to choose from, and their looking the same only the color is different Crying or Very sad

DrefsabZN
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2011.01.27 10:31:00 - [313]
 

Originally by: tehSiner
dock command has been moved again? lol
just make it customizable ffs



ccp is playin with macro players :)),thats why is movin the dock all the time :))

Red Kelly
Posted - 2011.01.27 10:36:00 - [314]
 

Edited by: Red Kelly on 27/01/2011 10:39:42
Edited by: Red Kelly on 27/01/2011 10:37:54
Originally by: Nevira Ehilaikinn
Originally by: Lahila Astravnar
Originally by: CCP Patch notes
Users can no longer proceed to the Portrait screen without equipping a shirt beforehand.


Absurd. The most attractive feature of the game removed!


I agree. This is a woman freedom rights limitation.


Is this means I get to do my portrait the 3rd time??? YARRRR!!
I love my "new" me.... well just maybe more light on the right area.... Cool
No! NO-NO-NO... I'll refuse redo the portrait Twisted Evil

Faffywaffy
Fremen Sietch
DarkSide.
Posted - 2011.01.27 10:38:00 - [315]
 

I can't believe you're fixing eyeliner, but fleet bonuses and overview are still broken. I don't know why I'm surprised every time, though.

b0ksah
Minmatar
Nomads
Nulli Secunda
Posted - 2011.01.27 10:40:00 - [316]
 

Edited by: b0ksah on 27/01/2011 10:41:14
Originally by: Red Kelly
Edited by: Red Kelly on 27/01/2011 10:37:54
Originally by: Nevira Ehilaikinn
Originally by: Lahila Astravnar
Originally by: CCP Patch notes
Users can no longer proceed to the Portrait screen without equipping a shirt beforehand.


Absurd. The most attractive feature of the game removed!


I agree. This is a woman freedom rights limitation.


Is this means I get to do my portrait the 3rd time??? YARRRR!!
I love my "new" me.... well just maybe more light on the right area.... Cool


... I have to redo all me female alt ..all 15 of them ... tsk

CCP really smokes crack or something ... lol
Fix bugs don't limit us? or? Sandbox my ass ugh or something Twisted Evil

Freelancer117
Posted - 2011.01.27 10:40:00 - [317]
 

Dear CCP,

These Sansha sites are one of the most badass high end pve in the game, thx.
The first day I tried one with a uber tanked lvl5 nighthawk set for Sansha.
Let me say it was a smart move to have a scimitar alt nearby :)

Sorry about all those that lost ships they could not afford to lose, but we with these loses we know now what to bring and what not to,
and how a fleet should be setup for these sites.

Incursions patch:

* Based on feedback from the community, we have reduced the rate at which Sansha's regain control of the constellations.
* An issue where the journal was not updating properly has been fixed.
* Dungeon beacons have been changed and will disappear when a dungeon is completed. This should result in fewer empty dungeons.

+1 response to the player community CCP

I still have one bone to pick with you,
when something gets shot at it should take damage in this game (excluding stargates ofc).
If the Sansha LCO's or ships get RR then okay, but if they get shot at they should feel our force \m/.

Meaning if we want to blow up Sansha stuff there should be no o.o dmg registry at all.





RTSAvalanche
Posted - 2011.01.27 10:42:00 - [318]
 

*salutes the gold retriever*

..the sneaky bugger will vanish before hulkageddon!! =(

Ghost Bringer
Posted - 2011.01.27 10:43:00 - [319]
 

Love the changes. But here is an idea for you to laugh at.

1) Reduce the number of HiSec locations (0.6 - 0.99 Securities) ONLY to starter solar systems.

2) Make to all the current HiSic systems that are not starter system, to somewhere between 0.4 and 0.5, varying on a daily basis. Today is to be 0.5, but later changes to 0.4. Vary like commuter times in the city.

Get you through so much and the sansha fights will be pancakes easy.:)

Wish for the snow, it makes the world quiet.


Naomi Wildfire
Amarr
Spricer
Raiden.
Posted - 2011.01.27 10:44:00 - [320]
 

Edited by: Naomi Wildfire on 27/01/2011 10:47:09
and yet no fix about the gang mod and ctrl click bug :(

Quote:
|Just as a FYI, they changed it so there's a time delay (approx. 1sec) between you pressing CTRL and it registering you have for locking targets. Wait for the "lock target" pop up to appear above your ships health bar and then you can one click on the overview


Dont spread wrong information. There is no delay, there is just a delay where the action it would perform will be displayed in text. The bug causes the combination to not work at all until you release and press CTRL again.

Cpt Shinji
Gallente
No-Mercy
Black Watch.
Posted - 2011.01.27 10:45:00 - [321]
 

Originally by: Mirabi Tiane
Hoping 1.1.3 or 1.1.4 will have a fix for people who can't finish loading the character customization screen (and the people like me who can do that but can't load the portrait design screen) despite using capable hardware with the latest drivers. Also hoping that those fixes will arrive before we get locked out of the game.

This is extremely important ccp, please fix this asap, I don't want to be locked out of the game because of this.

Taranek
Posted - 2011.01.27 10:46:00 - [322]
 

Y, i agree with Teneria, i believe the incursions are incredibly difficult, in fact, i got wiped within 5 secs. and indeed, i was not prepared as well as i should have been.

I think people who are whining about it being to hard, losing ships and godforbid, lose ISK ( which is fairly simple to aquire ) should stop playing EVE alltogether if they can't handle how any game works, you win some, you lose some.
Ask yourself, why are some people making it through the incursions and i'm not?
If you got an answer for that you'll probably make it next time...

Incursions are far from being perfect... Good thing CCP is still working on it...

DON'T MAKE IT EASIER !!!


Originally by: Teneria
1st: EVE is a dark an harsh world.

2nd: Incursion difficulty

We have done several Incursions with a well prepared Fleet yesterday, we have got no single loss, despite of a bench of drones that got shot at, and none of our ships was ever endangered to get destroeyed.
So if you fly in these sites and die, you are not well prepared. Incursions are ment to be High end, all of you that lost ships yesterday, have you ever faced a tougher sleeper site, have you ever tested Incursions on sisi to see what you'll face up too?

I would say: no you have not. Get prepared and face the Sansha as it is ment to be done. Learn something about fleet tactics, learn something aboutt game mechanics, or simply stay in LVL 4 Missions and enjoy the boredom.

@ CCP don't you dare make this stuff easier as it is, otherwise it would become very very boring.

Kenny277
Posted - 2011.01.27 10:48:00 - [323]
 

Мне лично надоели эти патчи! Когда наконец уже дадут поиграть в Еву спокойно и вдоволь насладиться её возможностями?! Сначала уничтожили майнеров как класс, затем вообще стали буквально поклоняться военам, забыв про многоплановость и про, в частности, торговцев и курьеров! Начинающий агентранер 4 уровня на дрейке (стригущий деньги с компьютера) зарабатывает ГОРАЗДО больше курьера (работающего с людьми) на фрейтере! Теперь ещё Incursion. Как быть одинокому майнеру-курьеру? Бросать игру? Бросать игру.
Да здравствуют танки! Где больше удовольствия!

Indarmos
Posted - 2011.01.27 10:51:00 - [324]
 

No fixing of 0.0 sec system pirate lvls :(
only thx for color fix =|

Diablo Maximus
Posted - 2011.01.27 10:53:00 - [325]
 

Edited by: Diablo Maximus on 27/01/2011 10:53:35
Originally by: Taranek
Y, i agree with Teneria, i believe the incursions are incredibly difficult, in fact, i got wiped within 5 secs. and indeed, i was not prepared as well as i should have been.

I think people who are whining about it being to hard, losing ships and godforbid, lose ISK ( which is fairly simple to aquire ) should stop playing EVE alltogether if they can't handle how any game works, you win some, you lose some.
Ask yourself, why are some people making it through the incursions and i'm not?
If you got an answer for that you'll probably make it next time...

Incursions are far from being perfect... Good thing CCP is still working on it...

DON'T MAKE IT EASIER !!!


Originally by: Teneria
1st: EVE is a dark an harsh world.

2nd: Incursion difficulty

We have done several Incursions with a well prepared Fleet yesterday, we have got no single loss, despite of a bench of drones that got shot at, and none of our ships was ever endangered to get destroeyed.
So if you fly in these sites and die, you are not well prepared. Incursions are ment to be High end, all of you that lost ships yesterday, have you ever faced a tougher sleeper site, have you ever tested Incursions on sisi to see what you'll face up too?

I would say: no you have not. Get prepared and face the Sansha as it is ment to be done. Learn something about fleet tactics, learn something aboutt game mechanics, or simply stay in LVL 4 Missions and enjoy the boredom.

@ CCP don't you dare make this stuff easier as it is, otherwise it would become very very boring.



The only thing they need to make 'easier' is to reduce the rate at which the systems revert back to sansha control. They are doing that according to their patch notes. This will give players a chance to repel the sansha attack in a system

Blue Harrier
Gallente
Posted - 2011.01.27 10:55:00 - [326]
 

The problem with Incursions is not they are too difficult but that we the players in Empire are not prepared to take them on. By prepared I mean not correctly trained to operate the required ships to mount a determined assault.

Most Empire players, those that choose to remain in Empire full time be it in NPC or small player corporations, will have trained for the specific roles they have taken up, trader, miner, hauler etc. They will not have trained many or any PVP type skills, this has 2 drawbacks, one they might be able to fly a ship but will not have the skills to fit it correctly and two they may not have fleet skills, either in the ability to operate a fleet or the training in how to behave while in a fleet (and the correct usage of chat and voice comms).

How to fix it, I don’t know, but if Empire dwellers want to defend their ‘turf’ then many players are going to get one really steep learning (and training skills) curve in the next few weeks, and in the long term the pirates in Eve may not have such easy ‘prey’ in the future.

Blackcamper
Gallente
The Condemned and Convicted
Posted - 2011.01.27 10:55:00 - [327]
 

Edited by: Blackcamper on 27/01/2011 11:06:57
Edited by: Blackcamper on 27/01/2011 11:05:16
Originally by: Farrah Contractor
Personally I hope that they re-balance the incursions a little.

Currently, on one incursion in Algingtal Constellation, player ship losses are in excess of 3300 ships.
That is just one constellation. There are six other incursions active.

I've been actively fighting for twelve hours and the hundred of players, losing thousands of ships could not get below 47% Sansha Influence. People are tired and disbanding fleets (Or running out of ships to Leeroy!), and so the influence was back up to 54% when I logged. This is the full might of the player base. Where's the progress?

My personal losses on day 1 were a Navy Mega, Vaga, Firetail and Ishkur.... No big deal for me personally, but my 180K EHP Navy Mega (Trimarked & LG Slave Clone boosted) melted in less than 20 seconds despite logistics in fleet, and that's annoying..

I've seen a Kronos, Navy Apoc and 80% of the supporting 12 person fleet get vaped trying to do a Vanguard site (supposedly at the easier end of the spectrum, for 5-10 people) ... That's a lot of ISK hurting.

The successful fleet I was invovled with was running 5 Logistics out of 20 ships (seriously, you need that many??), and we still lost a ship to too much DPS and insufficient buffer tank.

Added to which, we got shafted on ISK and LP because people came and ghosted through the site in noncombat ships, increasing effective fleet size. (Even though they weren't on overview when we completed the objective, they still must've gotten counted somehow!)

Right now the esprit de corps is high - it's first day and the determination amongst the player base to complete the objective is high. But, we cannot sustain these ship losses forever, and it's not going to be any fun in the long term.

Seriously, WTF CCP?? I hope you're re-balancing the Incursion difficulty in this patch.


Well i can only say it is a about time CCP got some hardcore plex in to the game ones more.

And to all of you that bich about the Incursions are to hard. ther really not. the real problem is the alot of eve players just jump in to it have no sens on what is going on. Firgs killing bs. well if you look at it. sig radius on a BS vs. trops = BAD for the BS. now if you use Hac's or T3 ships. also on a vangard a lev 2 incursion you need a min of 3 garduians to keep the fleet up. and you need good logi pilotes not some one hafv a sleep or drunk. now we did a lev 3 incursions " can't rembers the name of atm" we have a 35 player in it. and more then 50 % wher logi's and we we did it and not one ship blow up.

+ the fact that you can try it out on the test server befor you lose all your ships. like we did. so the we know what wher in wait in incursions. and the reson you can't get the Influence blow the 47 % is that for every ship blown up 1 % Influence is return to the Influence and you only get 1 % to Influence when you complet a plex. so the more players that try it have no idia of what ther are doing the harder it gets.

But one think i can say. Don't use Bs. and get 50 % or more of the fleet in logi's and it can be done.

But ther are happy time in ships sales over the few week.






AirellX
Posted - 2011.01.27 10:56:00 - [328]
 

Originally by: Faffywaffy
I can't believe you're fixing eyeliner, but fleet bonuses and overview are still broken. I don't know why I'm surprised every time, though.

Eyeliner was probably a 5 minutes fix...

Jaari Val'Dara
Caldari
Deep Space Nomads Corp
Posted - 2011.01.27 10:58:00 - [329]
 

Quote:
Users can no longer proceed to the Portrait screen without equipping a shirt beforehand.

Killjoy!
At least now one of my character has a rare portrait :)

Farrah Contractor
Posted - 2011.01.27 10:59:00 - [330]
 

Originally by: Diablo Maximus

The only thing they need to make 'easier' is to reduce the rate at which the systems revert back to sansha control. They are doing that according to their patch notes. This will give players a chance to repel the sansha attack in a system


I like your posts, man. I'll keep an eye out on SYNEPUBLIC Channel and see if we can get you into a fleet or two.

PS - I hope you managed to loot the faction items off my Navy Mega that melted in 20s flat. I hope at least someone got some ISK out of that particular site.


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