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Tasko Pal
Aliastra
Posted - 2011.02.05 15:43:00 - [241]
 

Originally by: Spineker
I think most of you play Eve Forums more than the game. The **** I read on here is stupid to be kind. All these blocks of text trying to sound all important and intelligent when most people don't even read it just go past it. Oh another quotetard fest....

L5's if for any reason should not be in Highsec because of economics that can be argued all the other reason taking away fun from paying customers with all this block quote horse **** is just that a big pile of ****.


It's nice that you're superior to all the wall of text tots, but did you have something to say aside from that? I read your second paragraph aloud and real slowly and I still can't make heads or tails of it. Sure, I oppose anything that takes fun from paying customers. Who doesn't? Well, aside from the people who have fun by doing so...

As to the complaint that level 5 missions should occasionally be in high sec, I just don't see a good case to keep doing it. Every bug or bad game mechanic builds up a constituency. We see it every time that CCP improves the user interface. And we see it here. Level 5 missions should be another low sec opportunity.

Plus 1
Posted - 2011.02.05 15:46:00 - [242]
 

Originally by: Archbeholder
Edited by: Archbeholder on 03/02/2011 20:29:52
Intended or not, removing level5 missions from hi sec is pretty much make content unaccessible for majority of players.

1. create content
2. make it unaccessible
3. ??????
4. PROFIT



5.wonder why wow got 12mil players

in b4 fanboys will expain to me how level 5 missions are totally accessible


EVE should try to be like WoW. It worked brilliantly for SWG!

Cambarus
Malicious Destruction
War Against the Manifest
Posted - 2011.02.05 19:37:00 - [243]
 

Originally by: Spineker
Mikaleon,

Absolutely at least you didn't try to be all "Hey look at my quote wall of text bull**** aren't I smart"

No at least you made sense and worth reading.

Problem I have is people trying to stop others from having fun because they pretend to know everything. Or like like to cry CAREBEARS SUCK I dont disagree with what you are saying by the way. Just get tired of the tardfest in every thread.
It's not done to look smart, it's done to deal with posts on a per-argument basis. If someone quotes a small part of my post and responds to it, I will assume that this is because they either agree with the other parts, or don't have any sort of rebuttal to them. And for the record, the people usually arguing against lvl 5s in highsec are not part of the CAREBEARS SUCK!!! crusade, people like that tend to post 2-3 line posts about how the carebears need to stop complaining about things. Those of us who enjoy a good debate and actually give a rats ass about the balance of the different aspects of the game take the time to respond to any non-troll point brought up by people with differing opinions.

Iqelrius
Caldari
Masaryk II
Posted - 2011.02.05 20:16:00 - [244]
 

The sock puppets in this thread are hilarious.

Centri Sixx
Posted - 2011.02.05 22:18:00 - [245]
 

You could make epic missions doable only once, and release them on a steady schedule. Challenge for solo players seems to be the main want here, as well as a goal to train forwards. Not so much money.

The challenge also needs to be organic to the mission. not because you can't even get to it. Incursions, for example. Everything people say here against l5s being in hisec should equally have been applied to Incursions. Why should people get advanced PvE endgame in total safety if they limit themselves to corpmate only? Shouldn't they be forced to low and null too?

If the problem is money, reduce it, or make LP spendable on vanity items. If you can afford a marauder and dont PvP its not like you even need it after awhile. But I think the problem is that people want ships to be destroyed, either for tears or for markets, and solo players doing PvE in hisec are a huge barrier to both.

Tasko Pal
Aliastra
Posted - 2011.02.06 03:14:00 - [246]
 

Originally by: Centri Sixx


The challenge also needs to be organic to the mission. not because you can't even get to it. Incursions, for example. Everything people say here against l5s being in hisec should equally have been applied to Incursions.


Incursion encounters pay significantly less in high sec and I heard the mothership is supposedly always in low sec.

Valarre
Posted - 2011.02.08 12:01:00 - [247]
 

Originally by: Centri Sixx
You could make epic missions doable only once, and release them on a steady schedule. Challenge for solo players seems to be the main want here, as well as a goal to train forwards. Not so much money.

The challenge also needs to be organic to the mission. not because you can't even get to it. Incursions, for example. Everything people say here against l5s being in hisec should equally have been applied to Incursions. Why should people get advanced PvE endgame in total safety if they limit themselves to corpmate only? Shouldn't they be forced to low and null too?

If the problem is money, reduce it, or make LP spendable on vanity items. If you can afford a marauder and dont PvP its not like you even need it after awhile. But I think the problem is that people want ships to be destroyed, either for tears or for markets, and solo players doing PvE in hisec are a huge barrier to both.



You are assuming of course that all mission runners do nothing but missions and nothing else. However in real life that isnt the case now is it? People run missions to fund their pvp ops too you know. They run missions, buy a pvp ship, that pvp ship goes into low sec/null sec, it destroys other ships, or gets destroyed itself. Your logic here that all mission runners do is get their pve ship and thats about it is flawed.

leavcraft
Posted - 2011.02.14 16:35:00 - [248]
 

Edited by: leavcraft on 14/02/2011 16:46:34
I thought I was done posting on this topic, but since my original post, I have averaged 80% low sec offered missions from high sec space agent. This is to the point of being absurd. If CCP wants us in low sec, so be it, but dont play games like only offering low sec for lvl 5 missions from low sec based agents while at the same time offering mostly low sec missions from high sec agents for all other tiers. If there is supposed to be anything meaningful for high sec missioners its time to look at the mission assignment logic in a "logical" sense. No one likes to log in, decline a mission, get another low sec mission and lose play time every single day while we travel around looking for something in high sec.
AND as for the nonsense that low sec missions pay more, the identical mission offered by the same agent paid the same cash and LP regardless of location. Who, in their right mind, would take a courier mission from high sec into low sec for a few hundred LP and less than 500k Isk?

XXSketchxx
Gallente
Remote Soviet Industries
Posted - 2011.02.14 16:39:00 - [249]
 

Originally by: leavcraft
I thought I was done posting on this topic, but since my original post, I have averaged 80% low sec offered missions from high sec space agent. This is to the point of being absurd. If CCP wants us in low sec, so be it, but dont play games like only offering low sec for lvl 5 missions from low sec based agents while at the same time offering mostly low sec missions from high sec agents for all other tiers.


I am sure CCP saw this thread and decided you need to be in low sec more.

And thus your constant missions to low sec Rolling Eyes

Cambarus
Malicious Destruction
War Against the Manifest
Posted - 2011.02.14 19:36:00 - [250]
 

Originally by: leavcraft

I thought I was done posting on this topic, but since my original post, I have averaged 80% low sec offered missions from high sec space agent. This is to the point of being absurd. If CCP wants us in low sec, so be it, but dont play games like only offering low sec for lvl 5 missions from low sec based agents while at the same time offering mostly low sec missions from high sec agents for all other tiers.
Then use a different agent. FYI, lvl 4 agents in lowsec will also give missions in highsec. Level 5 agents were always meant to be lowsec content, much in the same way bubbles, bombs and sov are meant to be 0.0 content. If you don't like it, that's your problem.




Originally by: leavcraft

If there is supposed to be anything meaningful for high sec missioners its time to look at the mission assignment logic in a "logical" sense. No one likes to log in, decline a mission, get another low sec mission and lose play time every single day while we travel around looking for something in high sec.

Move to a different agent then, one that does not border lowsec. TBH I do find the notion of highsec agents giving lowsec missions flawed, but the workaround is so damn easy I'd be more annoyed at CCP wasting the time fixing the issue than I am at them leaving it as it. There's agents all over the place, if you insist on doing missions near lowsec, that's your choice, and you've no one to blame but yourself if you don't like the consequences.
Originally by: leavcraft

AND as for the nonsense that low sec missions pay more, the identical mission offered by the same agent paid the same cash and LP regardless of location. Who, in their right mind, would take a courier mission from high sec into low sec for a few hundred LP and less than 500k Isk?
agreed, but, again, you picked the agent you're running missions for. Stop blaming CCP for your poor decisions.

leavcraft
Posted - 2011.02.14 23:11:00 - [251]
 

i guess i should also give up pursuing higher quality agents with the faction I have been accumulating LP in (before they moved the level 5's which were in play when I started playing 2 years ago). These agents did NOT give out low sec missions more than half the time before the Incursion implementation. It is my opinion, based on daily missioning, that something was changed. Therefore, CCP did spend time making changes in mission assignment and selection. I am just questioning the logic and reasoning behnd it.
So to tell me to go elsewhere just because you dont seek the same goals I do, and you had nothing taken away from you, is rather arrogant in my mind. All I see is that things I used to be able to do are not there anymore, just wondering why. (and that isnt just the level 5's , its the lvl 4's too)

Cambarus
Malicious Destruction
War Against the Manifest
Posted - 2011.02.15 00:26:00 - [252]
 

Originally by: leavcraft
i guess i should also give up pursuing higher quality agents with the faction I have been accumulating LP in (before they moved the level 5's which were in play when I started playing 2 years ago). These agents did NOT give out low sec missions more than half the time before the Incursion implementation.

I agree completely, CCP also nerfed the rate of officer spawns, as I have not seen any since incursions went live. Bad luck has nothing to do with it.
Originally by: leavcraft

It is my opinion, based on daily missioning, that something was changed. Therefore, CCP did spend time making changes in mission assignment and selection. I am just questioning the logic and reasoning behnd it.

You just had some bad luck. Get over it.

Originally by: leavcraft

So to tell me to go elsewhere just because you dont seek the same goals I do, and you had nothing taken away from you, is rather arrogant in my mind. All I see is that things I used to be able to do are not there anymore, just wondering why. (and that isnt just the level 5's , its the lvl 4's too)
But that's just it, you HAVEN'T had anything taken from you. There are still loads of level 4 agents all over the place, and you're just whining because the particular agent YOU picked gives you lowsec missions, and you've had some bad luck with mission destinations.People getting highsec level 5s before the change were gaming the system, the fact that that was removed is not something you should be complaining about. You can still run lvl 4s in relative safety, quit complaining.

leavcraft
Posted - 2011.02.15 17:02:00 - [253]
 

Originally by: Cambarus
Originally by: leavcraft
i guess i should also give up pursuing higher quality agents with the faction I have been accumulating LP in (before they moved the level 5's which were in play when I started playing 2 years ago). These agents did NOT give out low sec missions more than half the time before the Incursion implementation.

I agree completely, CCP also nerfed the rate of officer spawns, as I have not seen any since incursions went live. Bad luck has nothing to do with it.
Originally by: leavcraft

It is my opinion, based on daily missioning, that something was changed. Therefore, CCP did spend time making changes in mission assignment and selection. I am just questioning the logic and reasoning behnd it.

You just had some bad luck. Get over it.

Originally by: leavcraft

So to tell me to go elsewhere just because you dont seek the same goals I do, and you had nothing taken away from you, is rather arrogant in my mind. All I see is that things I used to be able to do are not there anymore, just wondering why. (and that isnt just the level 5's , its the lvl 4's too)
But that's just it, you HAVEN'T had anything taken from you. There are still loads of level 4 agents all over the place, and you're just whining because the particular agent YOU picked gives you lowsec missions, and you've had some bad luck with mission destinations.People getting highsec level 5s before the change were gaming the system, the fact that that was removed is not something you should be complaining about. You can still run lvl 4s in relative safety, quit complaining.


Am so sick of being told that nothing has been taken away when clearly it has. it doesn't matter that lvl 5's were "never" intended to land in high sec, they did and have been for years which includes the entire time that I and others have been playing. To come back 2 years later and say oops, still means something was taken away. Upping the percentage of assignments to low sec for missions is not bad luck, it is by design and confirmed by every player that I know in the space we play in. The assignment rate to low sec is now well over 50%. That too is taking away missions from us. You are entitled to your opinion, but NO I can't run level 4's in relative safety if they are being offered in low sec space and I just waste time waiting out timers for new missions or travel to other space for potentially the same result, or lower quality agents.
CCP is pushing casual mission runners out of the game, and thats my opinion.

XXSketchxx
Gallente
Remote Soviet Industries
Posted - 2011.02.15 17:59:00 - [254]
 

Originally by: leavcraft

Endless tears.


Just quit the game already.

Cambarus
Malicious Destruction
War Against the Manifest
Posted - 2011.02.15 19:42:00 - [255]
 

Originally by: leavcraft
Originally by: Cambarus



Am so sick of being told that nothing has been taken away when clearly it has. it doesn't matter that lvl 5's were "never" intended to land in high sec, they did and have been for years which includes the entire time that I and others have been playing. To come back 2 years later and say oops, still means something was taken away.

Did CCP remove level 5s while I wasn't looking? I could have sworn they were still available to anyone with the correct standings. You're not willing to take the risk involved with running them, that's your problem, not mine, and certainly not CCPs.
Originally by: leavcraft

Upping the percentage of assignments to low sec for missions is not bad luck, it is by design and confirmed by every player that I know in the space we play in.
Until its confirmed by CCP you're just having some bad luck. It's also worth noting that agent mission distribution is affected by system population (agents tend to give missions in the systems with fewer people in them. If you're noticing an increase in lowsec lvl 4s, odds are it's just because more people are using your agent/living in the systems near you.
Originally by: leavcraft

The assignment rate to low sec is now well over 50%. That too is taking away missions from us. You are entitled to your opinion, but NO I can't run level 4's in relative safety if they are being offered in low sec space and I just waste time waiting out timers for new missions or travel to other space for potentially the same result, or lower quality agents.
CCP is pushing casual mission runners out of the game, and thats my opinion.
Remind me again why you can't just move to a different lvl 4 agent? It's bad enough that you're complaining about lvl 5s, but you're now complaining about lvl 4s when there are dozens, if not hundreds, of level 4 agents scattered all over highsec, many of which will never offer you a lowsec mission. Now you're just whining because you're too stubborn to move, the whole risk element has nothing to do with it, and is, again, your problem, not CCPs.

Fulmar Muse
Caldari
Posted - 2011.02.15 20:04:00 - [256]
 

Edited by: Fulmar Muse on 15/02/2011 20:12:17
this thread makes me want to throw the computer out the window and play wow, then **** myself and crawl into some1's womb..

"make me safe world, make me so safe, i cant bear paying 15 a month to be @ the bottom of a food chain, im just not used to it... i mean i have been spoon fed gold, straight up my arse since day 1, but as you know and is obvious, this have nothing to do with it... now wipe my arse, or ill quit playing"

I don't get the whole thing.... play call of duty if u want to play missions... good gawd.. rant Shocked, rant ended....

Edit:, any buff to highsec missioning will result in, more faction ganks - meaning a degradation to the security status system... less people in 0.0,,, more solo play... less eve - more wow...

the reason wow is so dischordant in a social kind of way, is because, they know and love the fact tha their audience and subscribers are mostly dribbling morons, not capable of holding back a racist comment or slur... so basically, if you increase missioneering profits, u are in actually a racist... CCP hates racists

leavcraft
Posted - 2011.02.15 21:11:00 - [257]
 

Originally by: Cambarus
Originally by: leavcraft
Originally by: Cambarus



Am so sick of being told that nothing has been taken away when clearly it has. it doesn't matter that lvl 5's were "never" intended to land in high sec, they did and have been for years which includes the entire time that I and others have been playing. To come back 2 years later and say oops, still means something was taken away.

Did CCP remove level 5s while I wasn't looking? I could have sworn they were still available to anyone with the correct standings. You're not willing to take the risk involved with running them, that's your problem, not mine, and certainly not CCPs.
Originally by: leavcraft

Upping the percentage of assignments to low sec for missions is not bad luck, it is by design and confirmed by every player that I know in the space we play in.
Until its confirmed by CCP you're just having some bad luck. It's also worth noting that agent mission distribution is affected by system population (agents tend to give missions in the systems with fewer people in them. If you're noticing an increase in lowsec lvl 4s, odds are it's just because more people are using your agent/living in the systems near you.
Originally by: leavcraft

The assignment rate to low sec is now well over 50%. That too is taking away missions from us. You are entitled to your opinion, but NO I can't run level 4's in relative safety if they are being offered in low sec space and I just waste time waiting out timers for new missions or travel to other space for potentially the same result, or lower quality agents.
CCP is pushing casual mission runners out of the game, and thats my opinion.
Remind me again why you can't just move to a different lvl 4 agent? It's bad enough that you're complaining about lvl 5s, but you're now complaining about lvl 4s when there are dozens, if not hundreds, of level 4 agents scattered all over highsec, many of which will never offer you a lowsec mission. Now you're just whining because you're too stubborn to move, the whole risk element has nothing to do with it, and is, again, your problem, not CCPs.


Lets see, I should move away from my production base, my PI , and my preferred agent corp and quality because CCP wants more people in low sec? I thought i answered that question before. CCP made changes, no explanation why, just a sudden nerf in the availabilty of high sec missions from high sec agents that happen to be near low sec space. The loss of lvl 5 missions in high sec is still a loss of missions to those of us that had the faction, ran the missions, but choose not to waste our ships on PVP gate campers and mission gankers. It is clear from many respondants in this thread that its okay for low sec and null sec to have missions, isk generation , etc and no one is telling them to move elsewhere. For some reason, its the loveable carebear crowd that gets such disdain heaped upon them. I pay my sub, I play in several spheres , not just missioning. I dont tell you how to play , please dont presume to tell me that my way is somehow wrong. All I want to know is why CCP is pushing players like me out of the game.

Cambarus
Malicious Destruction
War Against the Manifest
Posted - 2011.02.15 22:42:00 - [258]
 

Originally by: leavcraft
Originally by: Cambarus



Lets see, I should move away from my production base, my PI , and my preferred agent corp and quality because CCP wants more people in low sec? I thought i answered that question before.
Pretty much yeh. You're being extremely picky and stubborn, when there are solutions to your problem literally all around you.

Originally by: leavcraft

CCP made changes, no explanation why, just a sudden nerf in the availabilty of high sec missions from high sec agents that happen to be near low sec space.
I'm pretty sure ccp DID explain it, and the reason behind the change was to lessen the load on systems that had popular agents in it. By sending people to the systems with fewer people nearby CCP was looking to reduce lag. It's a pretty good explanation and there are so many agents in highsec that it shouldn't be that big of a problem for you. You're just complaining for the sake of complaining now.

Originally by: leavcraft

The loss of lvl 5 missions in high sec is still a loss of missions to those of us that had the faction, ran the missions, but choose not to waste our ships on PVP gate campers and mission gankers.
Bolded the important bit. Your choice, your problem. If you're not willing to use one of the many workarounds available to running lvl 4s/5s in reasonable safety in lowsec then that's purely because YOU won't do it.
Originally by: leavcraft

It is clear from many respondants in this thread that its okay for low sec and null sec to have missions, isk generation , etc and no one is telling them to move elsewhere.
Highsec has these things as well. And someone who wants to avoid highsec would face the same problems as you were he to try to run lvl 4s in a lowsec system that borders on highsec. But people like that don't usually come running to the forums to complain, because they understand that the game was not built for them, and that there are many available ways to get around their problem if they just use their heads.
Originally by: leavcraft

For some reason, its the loveable carebear crowd that gets such disdain heaped upon them. I pay my sub, I play in several spheres , not just missioning. I dont tell you how to play , please dont presume to tell me that my way is somehow wrong. All I want to know is why CCP is pushing players like me out of the game.

Bolded/underlined the important bits. If CCP seems to be nerfing your playstyle, perhaps it's because you're not playing eve the way it's meant to be played? CCP already gives you many ways to carebear in near total safety, you just happen to want one of the few things that are only accessible in lowsec. The agents were in lowsec to begin with, and CCP changed it so that they now only give missions in lowsec. Does that not suggest that maybe, just maybe, CCP wants level 5s to be in lowsec? And no, you don't tell me how to play, what you're doing is much worse: You're trying to convince people that CCP should change the game to suit your wants and needs.

leavcraft
Posted - 2011.02.15 23:05:00 - [259]
 

what i have asked is for an explanation of why they changed the game we have been playing for two years. I am not asking for it to be changed to suit my needs. I am asking why it was changed to make what we learned and enjoyed in the game not available to us (and that includes the lvl 4 missions). A change has been made. If that is a new direction, then say so, if players like me dont like it, we can leave. If notthe forums, where should we be making this known?

XXSketchxx
Gallente
Remote Soviet Industries
Posted - 2011.02.15 23:17:00 - [260]
 

Originally by: leavcraft
what i have asked is for an explanation of why they changed the game we have been playing for two years. I am not asking for it to be changed to suit my needs. I am asking why it was changed to make what we learned and enjoyed in the game not available to us (and that includes the lvl 4 missions). A change has been made. If that is a new direction, then say so, if players like me dont like it, we can leave. If notthe forums, where should we be making this known?


They did explain it.

You just don't like the explanation (cause you're a whiney git).

Lt Angus
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2011.02.16 00:17:00 - [261]
 

nice to see Tippia and Cambarus beating the trolls with a burning stick Cool

Cambarus
Malicious Destruction
War Against the Manifest
Posted - 2011.02.16 03:05:00 - [262]
 

Originally by: leavcraft
what i have asked is for an explanation of why they changed the game we have been playing for two years. I am not asking for it to be changed to suit my needs. I am asking why it was changed to make what we learned and enjoyed in the game not available to us (and that includes the lvl 4 missions). A change has been made. If that is a new direction, then say so, if players like me dont like it, we can leave. If notthe forums, where should we be making this known?
CCP FIXED a problem that was allowing players to access level 5s in highsec. They've given their reasons for that. It was never intended to work the way it did, and they finally got around to fixing it. People like you were gaming the system, and now you cannot. Get over it. CCP also recently fixed the issue with RR and concord, do you intend on complaining about that as well?

And again, even ignoring the fact that you just plain don't like the way missions are tiered, you're acting like CCP is stopping you from running level 5s in lowsec. They're not, you are. There are several options available to you if you want to run these missions (unprobable ships, keeping aligned+using dscan, joining a corp that runs lvl 5s, MAKING a corp that runs lvl 5s) but no, none of the options are good enough for you.

Tell ya what: I want a Nyx. But I don't want to have to earn the isk to buy one, nor put in the time and effort to steal one or stick with an alliance long enough to have them give me one. Clearly this is a problem, and CCP needs to look into fixing it. The way the market in this game works is keeping me from doing what I want, and should therefore be changed.

As far as level 4 agents go, CCP have done very little to them as a whole. You're upset because the agent you happen to use is in an area that borders lowsec, and said agent is sending you there more often now, undoubtedly because there are more people in the area than there used to be. What exactly is wrong with the other couple hundred highsec level 4 agents?

leavcraft
Posted - 2011.02.16 04:48:00 - [263]
 

Originally by: Cambarus
Originally by: leavcraft
what i have asked is for an explanation of why they changed the game we have been playing for two years. I am not asking for it to be changed to suit my needs. I am asking why it was changed to make what we learned and enjoyed in the game not available to us (and that includes the lvl 4 missions). A change has been made. If that is a new direction, then say so, if players like me dont like it, we can leave. If notthe forums, where should we be making this known?
CCP FIXED a problem that was allowing players to access level 5s in highsec. They've given their reasons for that. It was never intended to work the way it did, and they finally got around to fixing it. People like you were gaming the system, and now you cannot. Get over it. CCP also recently fixed the issue with RR and concord, do you intend on complaining about that as well?

And again, even ignoring the fact that you just plain don't like the way missions are tiered, you're acting like CCP is stopping you from running level 5s in lowsec. They're not, you are. There are several options available to you if you want to run these missions (unprobable ships, keeping aligned+using dscan, joining a corp that runs lvl 5s, MAKING a corp that runs lvl 5s) but no, none of the options are good enough for you.

Tell ya what: I want a Nyx. But I don't want to have to earn the isk to buy one, nor put in the time and effort to steal one or stick with an alliance long enough to have them give me one. Clearly this is a problem, and CCP needs to look into fixing it. The way the market in this game works is keeping me from doing what I want, and should therefore be changed.

As far as level 4 agents go, CCP have done very little to them as a whole. You're upset because the agent you happen to use is in an area that borders lowsec, and said agent is sending you there more often now, undoubtedly because there are more people in the area than there used to be. What exactly is wrong with the other couple hundred highsec level 4 agents?


I resent being told that I was "gaming" the system when I was simply doing the missions that were available to me. No one ever said those missions werent supposed to be there until they were gone. Perhaps something was said over 2 years ago before I started playing.
The couple hundred agents of which you speak, arent at my base or near my production or my PI planets, so yes, I am reluctant to move. And the sudden rush of Low Sec offerings surely isnt because that little corner of space has become crowded overnight. The same people are in local chat almost every day, The change in offering percentage occured immediately after the Incursion implementation. Your opinion is that CCP didnt change anything (other than the lvl 5 aspect). I respectfully disagree.

Medarr
Amarr
Ghost Festival
Naraka.
Posted - 2011.02.16 07:56:00 - [264]
 

Edited by: Medarr on 16/02/2011 07:56:17
Originally by: leavcraft
I resent being told that I was "gaming" the system when I was simply doing the missions that were available to me. No one ever said those missions werent supposed to be there until they were gone.


Its been posted several times. Do a google search for level 5 eve missions.

Jefferson H Clay
Posted - 2011.02.16 09:46:00 - [265]
 

Originally by: Aunty Nora
Originally by: leavwiz
I have no interest in pvp


Why play a pvp game then ?
if your not willing to join in pvp, use the market or sell your stuff, why even bother playing ?


Because and I'm going completely off topic here there are very few actual space sim games around these days that are very good.

I'm not saying I personally don't group up and do stuff nor am I saying I'm adverse to crushing someone in market based PvP... blowing up other people... not so much for me at this time.

However I am saying that with their being basically Vega Strike based games and EVE kicking around you're going to find a lot of people looking at EVE who aren't hardcore ship-to-ship PvPers.

leavcraft
Posted - 2011.02.16 15:57:00 - [266]
 

Originally by: Medarr
Edited by: Medarr on 16/02/2011 07:56:17
Originally by: leavcraft
I resent being told that I was "gaming" the system when I was simply doing the missions that were available to me. No one ever said those missions werent supposed to be there until they were gone.


Its been posted several times. Do a google search for level 5 eve missions.
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how odd that i didnt think to google search to see if my missions were unintended bugs before doing any ot them. Perhaps I just assumed that because they were offered, they were legitimate. When did it become the player's responsibility to keep up with unintended dev work?
In no way can someone that simply accepts a mission discovered while talking to an agent "gaming" the system. I can accept that the community and the devs felt the lvl 5 in high sec was a bad implementation. I cannot accept that I am somehow at fault for not checking forums and google to discover that before running them for the last two years.

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Gallente
Remote Soviet Industries
Posted - 2011.02.16 16:01:00 - [267]
 

Originally by: leavcraft


how odd that i didnt think to google search to see if my missions were unintended bugs before doing any ot them. Perhaps I just assumed that because they were offered, they were legitimate. When did it become the player's responsibility to keep up with unintended dev work?
In no way can someone that simply accepts a mission discovered while talking to an agent "gaming" the system. I can accept that the community and the devs felt the lvl 5 in high sec was a bad implementation. I cannot accept that I am somehow at fault for not checking forums and google to discover that before running them for the last two years.



Why don't you and your kids just adapt and run missions in low sec? Get a few unprobable tengus together and you'll be fine.

Adapt and move on, not whine and wait.

Cambarus
Malicious Destruction
War Against the Manifest
Posted - 2011.02.16 16:44:00 - [268]
 

Originally by: leavcraft

how odd that i didnt think to google search to see if my missions were unintended bugs before doing any ot them. Perhaps I just assumed that because they were offered, they were legitimate. When did it become the player's responsibility to keep up with unintended dev work?
In no way can someone that simply accepts a mission discovered while talking to an agent "gaming" the system. I can accept that the community and the devs felt the lvl 5 in high sec was a bad implementation. I cannot accept that I am somehow at fault for not checking forums and google to discover that before running them for the last two years.

You were doing something that was not supposed to be doable. Granted, it was unintentional, so no one's going to get ****ed at you for doing it, but you were still doing missions in highsec that were not supposed to be doable in highsec.

You're not at fault for running these missions, HOWEVER, you ARE at fault for complaining that CCP went and changed it. You were never supposed to be able to do those missions in highsec to begin with, so complaining that you're no longer able to do them is going to get you yelled at by people who get the idea of risk v reward and actually follow the notion that there should be some semblance of balance throughout the game, rather than having everything cater to whiny highsec carebears. The information was always available to you, and while no one's blaming you for not looking it up, any problems that arise from your misinformation is your own fault.

I'll give you an example: Let's say the only pvp I've ever known is in lowsec. I get used to the idea that as long as I spam warp when I'm going down, I'm not going to lose my pod.

Then, one day, I go into nullsec, and discover that I do not much care for this ship called "Eris".

I then come whining to the forums, because someone killed my pod, despite the fact that that is how it should have been from the beginning, I was just unaware of the intended use of these so called "interdictors". It's the same concept; just because you didn't know something about the game doesn't make it CCP's fault when you run into unforeseen problems because of it.


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