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Calathea Sata
State War Academy
Posted - 2011.01.25 15:41:00 - [31]
 

Would anyone be interested in an alternate SYNEPUBLIC that is everything like the old channel but free from a stupid tyranny? Just asking.

Aynen
Posted - 2011.01.25 15:47:00 - [32]
 

Originally by: Calathea Sata
Would anyone be interested in an alternate SYNEPUBLIC that is everything like the old channel but free from a stupid tyranny? Just asking.


It's not so easy, establishing what Syne has established takes time and effort. I believe we are better off talking to Soter and coming to an agreement with him so the allready established medium can continue to serve it's perpose.

Niraia
Seekers of a Silent Paradise
Posted - 2011.01.25 18:25:00 - [33]
 

Originally by: Ber Kan
Originally by: Niraia
Any pilots who feel wronged by Soter and his ego, and who wish to seek revenge, are more than welcome to contact me to discuss his fall.

I haven't laughed like this in at least a week!


we dont need to join a cog-headed cult like yours.


I didn't offer that. Read my post again, ask an adult if you don't know the words!

Niraia
Seekers of a Silent Paradise
Posted - 2011.01.25 18:28:00 - [34]
 

Originally by: Calathea Sata
Would anyone be interested in an alternate SYNEPUBLIC that is everything like the old channel but free from a stupid tyranny? Just asking.


You should start one, then at least I can dream of overthrowing it via seduction ;)
Have you seen Soter? Ugh.

Silas Vitalia
Khanid Provincial Vanguard
Vanguard Imperium
Posted - 2011.01.25 18:56:00 - [35]
 

Edited by: Silas Vitalia on 25/01/2011 18:56:24
*edit: grammar *

Amusing.

This train-wreck continues to delight.

I'd recommend a more authoritarian model of operation for SYNE. Less confusion about who is in charge, and those joining the channel would have a clear chain of command. Nature abhors a vacuum.

Since most people are assuming that you want to be in charge, Soter, why not just out with it, and declare yourself the supreme commander, etc?

If your leadership is respected and wanted, you will have no problem stating so publicly, and leading the SYNE to some measure of competent performance. If it is not respected, then perhaps time to leave.



Rinai Vero
Gallente
Moira.
Posted - 2011.01.25 18:59:00 - [36]
 

Originally by: Calathea Sata
Would anyone be interested in an alternate SYNEPUBLIC that is everything like the old channel but free from a stupid tyranny? Just asking.


Nothing's stopping you. Don't like your leadership? Be a leader. Just saying.

You'll probably realize quite soon that *any* attempt you make to focus such a large and disparate effort as herding all the folks from SYNEpublic into a cohesive fighting force will probably be immediately percieved as heavy handed and egotistical. Probably by the most pampered egos who might flee SYNE to join your effort.

As he said earlier, Soter has never tried to be an executor of some huge alliance off to defeat Sansha for his own glory. He's been the operator of a communication and intel sharing network. I've only been part of Moira. for a short time, but i've seen Julianus Soter in the role of fleet commander and CEO. Those are command positions. What he does in SYNEpublic is express his opinions alongside everyone else, and occasionally ban someone who's being disruptive. That isn't a command role, because it isn't an attempt to be.

My advice is to stop whining and lead yourselves. If you want Soter to do it for you, join Moira.

Aesis Tori
Gallente
Moira.
Posted - 2011.01.25 19:45:00 - [37]
 

Originally by: Rinai Vero
My advice is to stop whining and lead yourselves. If you want Soter to do it for you, join Moira.


Syn Callibri
Minmatar
21st Eridani Lighthorse
Posted - 2011.01.25 20:18:00 - [38]
 

Ok...who didn't see Soter destroying the SYNE? Raise your hand...come on...no..really!

/walks away shaking her head


Mel Lifera
Gallente
Ambrye Logistics Ltd.
Posted - 2011.01.25 20:47:00 - [39]
 

I personally don't have a problem with Mr. Soter. Unfortunately, there are many among my crews who still vividly recall Maut and Soter's reluctance, as Fleet Commander, to take any responsibility for that catastrophe.

I have since looked and found within the Federation comrades to stand with against Nation; but as long as Soter's and SYNE's ultimate goal is to defeat Kuvakei I wish them success.

Ava Starfire
Minmatar
Teraa Matar
Posted - 2011.01.25 23:06:00 - [40]
 

Originally by: Rodj Blake
Edited by: Rodj Blake on 25/01/2011 11:23:18
Edited by: Rodj Blake on 25/01/2011 10:59:58
Originally by: Kahar Dex

Unfortunately, I was not able to engage the Sansha forces at Yulai. But I for one have heard numerous reports of SYNE's inefficacy in dealing with the menace.

I cannot corroborate nor deny anything that has been said here, except to say that there indeed seems to be an issue with leadership within FCORD/SYNE. I have on the other hand heard of the valiant efforts lead by Amarrian Loyalists such as Admiral Rodj Blake of PIE Inc. who took up the mantle of command after SYNE's fleet was ordered to evacuate the scene of the battle.

To those brave pilots who did not retreat in the face of danger, I offer my highest commendations for whatever it's worth. And should a replacement be decided upon for Julianus Soter, I would nominate Rodj Blake for his courage under fire, bravery, and initiative. PIE Inc. has been known since capsuleer's have taken to the heavens to initiate change, and exact noble leadership under adverse circumstances.


Thank you for your kind words.

However, my other commitments mean that I would not be a suitable leader for such a disparate coalition.

Also, if I led at Promised Land, it was mainly through example as I wasn't in the same fleet as a large proportion of the pilots who responded to the call to arms. I hope that it was a good example though, despite our failure.


You are always a source of motivation, Mr Blake.

Always.

Rytha Main
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2011.01.25 23:40:00 - [41]
 

Originally by: Vikarion
Originally by: Myxx


I'd nominate Seri, but Seri wont work with the Caldari or Amarr. Then, I'd nominate Andreus, except Andreus is off playing with the ILF and Ishukone...

*shrugs*

While we might agree something needs to be done, working with Nationalists isnt how it should be done.


Everyone is for some cause, even if that cause only themselves. But if I were to nominate someone, it would be John Revenent and I-RED.




John Revenent and I-RED is a sound nomination. And of course if they were not able, Draketrain is a formidable legion of warriors as I've heard, as well as the Caldari Independent Navy Reserve (CAIN).

On a side note, after observing this thread, I am given pause. What with the dismantling of CONCORD's defense network at Yulai, and Kuvakei's proclamation that "we are wild animals that would turn on each other" (or some such), I wonder then if we are not indulging his very whim's, and that perhaps... PERHAPS it would prove prudent to keep the current structure in place for the time being.

If a change of leadership is in order, I would pray to God that it would happen as smoothly and transparently as possible. These are delicate times, and with Nation loyalists abreast and intent on unraveling our efforts to defeat their master, one must prove both wise and reserved. Wild calls for revolution and overthrow may not be the most wise nor noble measures to pursue given the current volatile environment.

Be wise pilots.

And may God be with us.

Cmdr Baxter
The Synenose Accord
Celestial Imperative
Posted - 2011.01.26 00:12:00 - [42]
 

* * * * * OFFICIAL SYNENOSE ACCORD STATEMENT * * * * *

Attn: Julianus Soter

Sir,

The SYNE Board of Directors would like to, in the strongest terms possible, request that you undertake immediate consideration of the possibility of removing your liason to the corporation (Justin Vallar) from the position of CEO.

In the last 72 hours the Board has received a certain volume of messages which suggests that your liason's continued presence in that role may in the near-future endanger corporate security and operations. The Board also believes that your liason's presence is undercutting its efforts to continue to act in conjunction with the greater "Synenose Coalition" (defined for purposes of this letter as those who either frequent SYNEPublic, or communicate with us on a regular basis on the matter of Sansha's Nation).

The Board has also been made aware of three specific charges, which we consider so urgent as to merit consideration in the strongest terms possible. They are as follows:

(1) That you, personally, have been responsible for ordering the denial of reinforcements to capsuleer fleets engaged in combat against Nation forces, when reinforcements were at hand and readily available.

(2) That you were complicit in the loss of a carrier belonging to the Synenose Coalition, on 12.02.112, and have since denied any and all connection to the incident. And furthermore, that you have manipulated your public position so as to facilitate a "smear campaign" against the pilot of the vessel due to a personal grudge.

(3) That you have abused your position in the SYNEPublic channel so as to create the precedent of silencing or removing pilots attempting to disseminate intelligence information which contradicts your own personal opinion.

On behalf of the Synenose Accord,
HavvieG (Director of Operations)
Ninavask (Associate Director)
Samuel Baxter, Commander (Communication and Coordination Officer)

Caellach Marellus
Gallente
Nephtys Ventures inc
Posted - 2011.01.26 01:07:00 - [43]
 

The situation in SYNEPublic was enough to prompt me to focus my organisational efforts purely within the Republic and form the RSDI.

This latest spin of drama coming out of the former makes me glad I saved myself the headaches many months ago. I commend anyone who tries to run a single basis of operations for the entire attack, but I also condemn any effort to be simply to large a job for any task group at the core to handle.

Split the work across the empires, collaborate information that affects us all and cut down on the necessity of channel traffic that happens.

Myxx
Atropos Group
Posted - 2011.01.26 01:09:00 - [44]
 

Originally by: Silas Vitalia
Edited by: Silas Vitalia on 25/01/2011 18:56:24
*edit: grammar *

Amusing.

This train-wreck continues to delight.

I'd recommend a more authoritarian model of operation for SYNE. Less confusion about who is in charge, and those joining the channel would have a clear chain of command. Nature abhors a vacuum.

Since most people are assuming that you want to be in charge, Soter, why not just out with it, and declare yourself the supreme commander, etc?

If your leadership is respected and wanted, you will have no problem stating so publicly, and leading the SYNE to some measure of competent performance. If it is not respected, then perhaps time to leave.





Please do, prove me correct again, Julianus. Your ego wont allow you to step down, prove me wrong.

Mel Lifera
Gallente
Ambrye Logistics Ltd.
Posted - 2011.01.26 01:16:00 - [45]
 

Originally by: Caellach Marellus
The situation in SYNEPublic was enough to prompt me to focus my organisational efforts purely within the Republic and form the RSDI.

This latest spin of drama coming out of the former makes me glad I saved myself the headaches many months ago. I commend anyone who tries to run a single basis of operations for the entire attack, but I also condemn any effort to be simply to large a job for any task group at the core to handle.

Split the work across the empires, collaborate information that affects us all and cut down on the necessity of channel traffic that happens.


I too concur; perhaps SYNE's best role is as an intelligence clearinghouse where autonomous fleets can pool data and work out strategies rather than as a central command body.

Ikarus Gaul
Gallente
Eiffel Initiatives
Posted - 2011.01.26 03:18:00 - [46]
 

Originally by: Cmdr Baxter
* * * * * OFFICIAL SYNENOSE ACCORD STATEMENT * * * * *
...


For the record, I support the position and suggested course of action by the Synenose Accord. It is a measured response to the current divisive situation that has developed, and the distinct disunity that is forming around the question of your recent leadership.

Monsieur Soter, we all recognize the outstanding contributions that you have made to date as a founder of Syne, in various actions that you have taken in support of the defense of New Eden, and your commitment of Moira. to the fight. But the threat to the cause is bigger than you, and the cause is bigger than any one of us. I urge you to step down for the sake of all the citizens of New Eden, and reassign control of channel SynePublic to a board member of the Synenose Accord.

All leaders have their day in the sun, where they can make a contribution. The mark of the best leaders, however, is knowing when to go and let others take the reigns.

Gorion Wassenar
Caldari
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2011.01.26 03:32:00 - [47]
 

Awwww... everyone is arguing over who has the biggest hat and the color of it. You know you might get the job done more often if you worked together instead of always looking for an opening to backstab your compatriots.

Myxx
Atropos Group
Posted - 2011.01.26 04:35:00 - [48]
 

I fully support the movement to remove Soter from the Accord.

Further, I will facilitate the creation of a new organisation and assist in getting it off of its feet should it be asked of me.

Aynen
Posted - 2011.01.26 05:39:00 - [49]
 

Whatever ends up happening, I do hope that the communications structure continues to be used. Everybody knows it, everyone is allready part of it, and as with any major change, a lot of people will simply not bother to make it.
Operation Bad Moon's communication infrastructure is actually still being visited by some, even though I haven't made use of it for a long time other than sometimes putting questions in the 'messege of the day'. It shows that people really want to stick with what they know. And people know Synepublic and Syneintel.
Perhaps the people of Fcord should officially take over the channel, as they have no racial biasses or other agendas, and have people working for it that have good experience with putting together a large fleet in little time. If there is too much lack of confidence is Synepublic itself, the OBM infrastructure may also be used, I will not interfere with opperations there if it is undesired.

Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
Posted - 2011.01.26 08:08:00 - [50]
 

Edited by: Andreus Ixiris on 26/01/2011 08:11:18
Originally by: Myxx
Then, I'd nominate Andreus, except Andreus is off playing with the ILF and Ishukone...


Wait, wait, I'm sorry.

Let me go over that again.

Did you really just say you'd nominate me to co-ordinate post-Soter anti-Sansha activity?

I was, uh... I was going to leave. Properly, I mean. I mean throw in the towel of capsuleering and properly leave.

But... I don't know. Are you serious?

Cmdr Baxter
The Synenose Accord
Celestial Imperative
Posted - 2011.01.26 08:25:00 - [51]
 

Edited by: Cmdr Baxter on 26/01/2011 08:26:37
* * * * * OFFICIAL SYNENOSE ACCORD STATEMENT * * * * *


The SYNE Board of Directors is pleased to report that the matter is of our earlier open letter to Julianus Soter is currently being handled internally within our corporation. We look forward to soon finalizing a mutually-beneficial agreement, and thank all parties involved for their statements on this matter.

Further information will be forthcoming in the near future.

On behalf of the Synenose Accord,
HavvieG (Director of Operations)
Ninavask (Associate Director)
Samuel Baxter, Commander (Communication and Coordination Officer)

StalinGrad6
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2011.01.26 08:27:00 - [52]
 

Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
Edited by: Andreus Ixiris on 26/01/2011 08:11:18
Originally by: Myxx
Then, I'd nominate Andreus, except Andreus is off playing with the ILF and Ishukone...


Wait, wait, I'm sorry.

Let me go over that again.

Did you really just say you'd nominate me to co-ordinate post-Soter anti-Sansha activity?

I was, uh... I was going to leave. Properly, I mean. I mean throw in the towel of capsuleering and properly leave.

But... I don't know. Are you serious?


Andreus.....

are you really going to pass up this opportunity?

think about it..... Soters gone nuts.

people need leadership that isnt as.... pathetic as him. someone just nominated you.....

i say we have an election. once Soter is booted, we create a new coalition.

put you up as a candidate for election.

anybody else up for the idea?

i am....

Alexis Du'Volle
Posted - 2011.01.26 08:36:00 - [53]
 

Looks like people got a bit upset because they can't push their own agendas in channel.

B'awwwwwwwww

Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
Posted - 2011.01.26 08:51:00 - [54]
 

OK.

If people actually want me to do it, I'll... actually do it, I guess.

It's nice to have a reason to keep going.

StalinGrad6
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2011.01.26 08:56:00 - [55]
 

Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
OK.

If people actually want me to do it, I'll... actually do it, I guess.

It's nice to have a reason to keep going.


thats the spirit!

jolly good show!

Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
Posted - 2011.01.26 09:21:00 - [56]
 

I'll need a list of every known Nation-loyal or Nation-sympathiser capsuleer individual, corporation and alliance.

Caellach Marellus
Gallente
Nephtys Ventures inc
Posted - 2011.01.26 10:21:00 - [57]
 

Edited by: Caellach Marellus on 26/01/2011 10:21:21
Originally by: StalinGrad6

think about it..... Soters gone nuts.


If SYNEPublic is the mass circus of impossible to co-ordinate headless chickens than it was 6 months ago, I'm not suprised.

It'd drive anyone mad trying to lead that place.

Niraia
Seekers of a Silent Paradise
Posted - 2011.01.26 11:00:00 - [58]
 

My spy in SYNEPrivate has been forwarding me some of the more hilarious.. discussion. Master was right, maybe you should start listening to what he has to say :)

StalinGrad6
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2011.01.26 11:04:00 - [59]
 

Originally by: Niraia
mindless sanshas nation drivel. spy. more mindless nation drivel


spy?

find and kill. stab him a few times. then lynch niraia, for the fun of it.

Niraia..... may i speak to you in private the next time around? id like to know something.

dont worry, its unrelated to our..... political alignment.

as for the mindless nation drivel? where did i put my block button?

Alexis Du'Volle
Posted - 2011.01.26 11:13:00 - [60]
 

Originally by: StalinGrad6
Post


There's an awful lot of Anti-Sansha Drivel as well. I'd say about 85% of the posts that go up about it fall under that category.


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