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Herping yourDerp
Posted - 2011.01.25 04:48:00 - [1]
 

Dear CCP, many moons ago I started playing eve, shortly after hearing about Dust 514 coming to consoles, a shooter, to be linked to eve online, fighting as mercenaries for eve players to take over planets, which i assume will involve either PI installations, or be sovereignty 3.0

now since announced, Dust hasn't had much of anything discussed. there was a demo played, but not much else. the game looked like it was in closed beta stage, and almost ready to release, but still nothing, not even a release date.

It has already been said Dust WILL NOT link to eve at release, meaning we can assume it will be a few months before an eve expansion patch.

now lets look at something that i hope everyone is watching, the current gen consoles are going to pass in the near future, currently estimated to be 2012, 2013, and worst case 2013 release dates for the next gen console.

my current guess is Dust will NOT come out for 360, but rather the next gen, it's clear that if dust is coming out, it will be late 2011 or early 2012. andi dont think Dust is meant to die in 1 short year.

Console games, Die fast.
Dust will need updates, like eve, or it will die. and by updates i mean engine overhauls, graphic overhauls, new vehicles weapons ect. basically, Dust, will need to have a sequal in 1-2 years time. CCP, i hope you can do it, but unless dust is just a gimmick Dust will not be your last console game this decade.
the game is already confirmed to use micro transactions, which is a good idea if balanced. i assume it will also be an isk sink which eve does desperately need.


Suggestion- tell the truth about development
is Dust coming out this gen? if not SAY SO.
is Dust coming out for Ps3? ( it was in xbox magazine, so assumed xbox will have it)
will dust have REAL updates, if so i hope they are free, if not auto failure.
do you have any sort of release date idea?? people rather hear " in 2012" then " soon"
closer to release, market the game, when in game, have eve advertisements as well.
--would also like to state, that the eve trailers are amazing, a Dust trailer would be nice, i imagine a similar to dominion battle, but then dropping down to the planet to see what happens there

final suggestion, do not overhype dust, don't talk about the awsome cities built in eve becoming the maps imported into dust if it will never happen, the worst thing you can do is tarnish your name with the masses by making crap and serving it on a plate.


to the pckids that think consoles are bad, just stop PC shooters kinda died already, unfortunately it seems crysis and battlefield are the last good PC shooters, i doubt dust will go PC, and if it does, it will be AFTER console has died.

CCP- i call upon you to answer my plea!


Inb4 troll, flame, QQ's and other common forum BS that I do not care to hear.

Aessoroz
Nohbdy.
Posted - 2011.01.25 05:32:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: Aessoroz on 25/01/2011 05:32:32
DUST can't have real updates because Microsoft prevents developers like Valve from doing it for their games even though they want to badly on the Xbox.

Kengutsi Akira
Posted - 2011.01.25 06:01:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: Aessoroz
Edited by: Aessoroz on 25/01/2011 05:32:32
DUST can't have real updates because Microsoft prevents developers like Valve from doing it for their games even though they want to badly on the Xbox.


This. If they put it on a xbox platform it will be SCREWED. NO updates.
Probably why we havent heard anything about it. They realized they screwed up in partnering with them

Sader Rykane
Amarr
The Dark Space Initiative
Revival Of The Talocan Empire
Posted - 2011.01.25 06:10:00 - [4]
 

Keyboard + Mouse > Gamepad.

Moving on.

Kengutsi Akira
Posted - 2011.01.25 06:15:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Sader Rykane
Keyboard + Mouse > Gamepad.

Moving on.


Heeeey, lets get into the PC vs console argument. It sounds like fun!
Cause I know the console section of my wal mart is huge while the PC section shrinks every time I go

(Im not on console's side btw)
lol

Drunken Monk3y
Posted - 2011.01.25 06:15:00 - [6]
 

damit, i hope i didnt really read that crap ...

i really hope i dont have an acid trip one day and see herp a derp drinking parik**** out a girls ass like in 2 girls 1 cup or some crazy link like that....

Sader Rykane
Amarr
The Dark Space Initiative
Revival Of The Talocan Empire
Posted - 2011.01.25 06:19:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Kengutsi Akira
Originally by: Sader Rykane
Keyboard + Mouse > Gamepad.

Moving on.


Heeeey, lets get into the PC vs console argument. It sounds like fun!
Cause I know the console section of my wal mart is huge while the PC section shrinks every time I go

(Im not on console's side btw)
lol


My favorite part is these douche bags willingly give up their right to have user created content so that we can buy map packs from Infinity Ward for Modern Warfare II.

Seriously? Map Packs? Don't you people remember Quake 1,2,3, Counterstrike BEFORE steam? Imagine if you had to buy DE_Dust2 when it came out because it was a new and improved dust map?

Mainstream isn't right, but damned if the sheep aren't effective at ruining it for all the sane people.

Steve Thomas
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2011.01.25 06:47:00 - [8]
 

one of lifes Ironys,

Fallout three NV has new features to it

Virtualy all of the new features (hardcore mode, custom ammo, Creating items on workbenches, gun mods, hardcoremode, and so on) excluding Caravan were player mods for the PC version of Fallout 3.

heck even removeing the "haze" was a fallout 3 mod.

but unfortnaly mmos cant realy be modded by the player base to start with, so the whole map pack thing is meh, your stuck with whatever content they put into it developerside unless they somehow go the Second life path with this.

Edward Sullen
Posted - 2011.01.25 07:15:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Steve Thomas

but unfortunately mmos cant really be modded by the player base to start with


WoW's UI would like a word with you
Along with Bossmod (or w/e that was called)
And Curse.com

Dr BattleSmith
PAX Interstellar Services
Posted - 2011.01.25 08:20:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Herping yourDerp

It has already been said Dust WILL NOT link to eve at release, meaning we can assume it will be a few months before an eve expansion patch.



I believe this is what changed. At some stage they discovered they'd need to include more at launch due to platform restrictions.
I've heard some comments that suggest the graphic shown at fanfest of the corp/alliance gradual integration has been short-cut.

Overall DUST should be finished since months ago, CCP seem stuck having to release WiS before DUST can be.
The 18+ months of no EveOnline dev are part of this.

CCP haven't always done well on expectation management, their crude understanding is that it's good to promise less and deliver more.

Irida Mershkov
Gallente
The Reformed
Chaos Theory Alliance
Posted - 2011.01.25 08:23:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Herping yourDerp
now since announced, Dust hasn't had much of anything discussed. there was a demo played, but not much else. the game looked like it was in closed beta stage, and almost ready to release, but still nothing, not even a release date.

User name 100% accurate right here.

Merrya
Minmatar
BlackWing Cartel
Posted - 2011.01.25 08:29:00 - [12]
 

last good pc shooters? TF2 still has a tremendous following, and it's a perfect example of how, if one doesn't update their console, the game will die quickly. Nobody plays tf2 on xbox anymore, thousands of people still play it on pc, cause of updates.

None the less, i don't like having gone this long without having heard Something about Dust.

Aessoroz
Nohbdy.
Posted - 2011.01.25 08:33:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: Aessoroz on 25/01/2011 08:34:59
Edited by: Aessoroz on 25/01/2011 08:34:39
Originally by: Merrya
last good pc shooters? TF2 still has a tremendous following, and it's a perfect example of how, if one doesn't update their console.


Valve would update TF2 on the xbox if they could but Microsoft doesn't want to allow them to provide free updates with new content but valve doesn't want to charge ms points and segregate the game content.

In other news, Bad Company 2 and the future Battlefield 3 are superior FPS shooters that DUST can't hope to touch with the Unreal Engine 3 making it pretty much another GoW. Unless they somehow rewrite the engine to support destructible everything :D

Claska
Amarr
The 8th Tribe Seraphim
Dragoons.
Posted - 2011.01.25 08:52:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Aessoroz
Edited by: Aessoroz on 25/01/2011 08:34:59
Edited by: Aessoroz on 25/01/2011 08:34:39
Originally by: Merrya
last good pc shooters? TF2 still has a tremendous following, and it's a perfect example of how, if one doesn't update their console.


Valve would update TF2 on the xbox if they could but Microsoft doesn't want to allow them to provide free updates with new content but valve doesn't want to charge ms points and segregate the game content.

In other news, Bad Company 2 and the future Battlefield 3 are superior FPS shooters that DUST can't hope to touch with the Unreal Engine 3 making it pretty much another GoW. Unless they somehow rewrite the engine to support destructible everything :D


No offence but your an idiot, if you'd done your research you'd know that dust isn't using a standerd version of UE3 engine, for one thing they've got a re-designed lighting system (that gives global illumination) and enhanced shader engine,etc; before you start going on about how it's going to be crap and that UE3 can't compete cos of this, or that, no one cares so stow it.


Senghir
Amarr
Sword Of The Empire
Posted - 2011.01.25 08:54:00 - [15]
 

Edited by: Senghir on 25/01/2011 08:55:29
Originally by: Aessoroz

Valve would update TF2 on the xbox if they could but Microsoft doesn't want to allow them to provide free updates with new content but valve doesn't want to charge ms points and segregate the game content.

In other news, Bad Company 2 and the future Battlefield 3 are superior FPS shooters that DUST can't hope to touch with the Unreal Engine 3 making it pretty much another GoW. Unless they somehow rewrite the engine to support destructible everything :D


Actually, Halo Reach has it right in terms of how things work on consoles.
Plenty of user generated content there, rendered videos and/or replays of matches played. Game types that can be created by anyone and shared with anyone, or even accessed by anyone looking. And most importantly, user generated maps that Bungie then make into official playlists for a short time to see which ones are popular.
*Edit - all completely free.

On top of that, then there's all the other updates you can pay for to keep Microsoft happy.

Siona Windweaver
Placeholder Holdings
Posted - 2011.01.25 09:31:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Edward Sullen
Originally by: Steve Thomas

but unfortunately mmos cant really be modded by the player base to start with


WoW's UI would like a word with you
Along with Bossmod (or w/e that was called)
And Curse.com


Yes, I like the mod that adds the cat race, its just brilliant. I also like how bossmod adds ungodly amount of bosses to the game. That mod should be mandatory.

Merrya
Minmatar
BlackWing Cartel
Posted - 2011.01.25 09:34:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Aessoroz
Edited by: Aessoroz on 25/01/2011 08:34:59
Edited by: Aessoroz on 25/01/2011 08:34:39
Originally by: Merrya
last good pc shooters? TF2 still has a tremendous following, and it's a perfect example of how, if one doesn't update their console.


Valve would update TF2 on the xbox if they could but Microsoft doesn't want to allow them to provide free updates with new content but valve doesn't want to charge ms points and segregate the game content.

In other news, Bad Company 2 and the future Battlefield 3 are superior FPS shooters that DUST can't hope to touch with the Unreal Engine 3 making it pretty much another GoW. Unless they somehow rewrite the engine to support destructible everything :D


Destructible Environments don't make excelling games, nonetheless, UE3 has plenty of capability to support Destructible Everything with very little open source edit what so ever. Download the UDK and try it yourself.

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2011.01.25 10:13:00 - [18]
 

Define "real updates"…

HeliosGal
Caldari
Posted - 2011.01.25 10:21:00 - [19]
 

dust has been delayed by a lot of time dont expect anything anytime soon

ivar R'dhak
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.01.25 10:55:00 - [20]
 

Edited by: ivar R''dhak on 25/01/2011 11:00:56
Originally by: Herping yourDerp
CCP- i call upon you to answer my plea!


Inb4 troll, flame, QQ's and other common forum BS that I do not care to hear.

Which might be taken more seriously if the player ISNŽT named like you are.
Just a FYI.

Good post though.

Tl;dr: If them Chinese donŽt get cracking down there in Shanghai the console tide change might make DUST DOA.

/signedExclamation

Originally by: Kengutsi Akira
Originally by: Sader Rykane
Keyboard + Mouse > Gamepad.

Moving on.


Heeeey, lets get into the PC vs console argument. It sounds like fun!
Cause I know the console section of my wal mart is huge while the PC section shrinks every time I go
Excellent!
The more "Walmart-people" get of mah PeeCee the better! Razz

Actually DUST will be the deciding factor of which console IŽll buy next.
Get crackinŽ CCP!

Goyourownwayinpeace
Posted - 2011.01.25 11:17:00 - [21]
 

I've missed the point to why you feel. CCP must give you these answers.. why dont you wait like the ret of us !!!!!


also post with your main or STFU

Steve Thomas
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2011.01.25 17:38:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Edward Sullen
Originally by: Steve Thomas

but unfortunately mmos cant really be modded by the player base to start with


WoW's UI would like a word with you
Along with Bossmod (or w/e that was called)
And Curse.com
pff thats just the ui, and given blizzards frank admission that there own overtouted Authenticator was beaten by someone who put up "Haced" versions of UI mods to cause a man in the middle attack to take over peoples accounts(Specificaly the MITM attack involved modified Recount, Healbot, Gather, AND Auctionere UI mods) I suspect that sooner or later Bliz will be going to a "NO UI MODS PERIOD" mode

However, I was talking about things like the game map, Item, quest and even wholesale changes to game AI that you see in mods for pc games like oblvion and Fallout.

your just not going to see that in mmos anytime soon unless they go with a "City of heroes" system, or a Second life modle.

oh thats right, CoH nerfed there mission creator and SL

well SL is SL,

Barakkus
Posted - 2011.01.25 17:56:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Kengutsi Akira
Originally by: Sader Rykane
Keyboard + Mouse > Gamepad.

Moving on.


Heeeey, lets get into the PC vs console argument. It sounds like fun!
Cause I know the console section of my wal mart is huge while the PC section shrinks every time I go

(Im not on console's side btw)
lol


That's not because PC gaming is dying, it's because things like Steam and Direct2Drive are becoming more popular with both consumers and publishers. No box, no CD/DVD, less cost to publishers, no damaged media for consumers to have to repurchase = win on both sides except for the box retailers.


 

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