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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
Posted - 2011.01.22 08:34:00 - [31]
 

I've been well behaved on the forums lately and now have a passport, time to run for once!

Korerin Mayul
Amarr
Posted - 2011.01.22 09:58:00 - [32]
 

I really want to run for this, but i have just changed jobs and countries so ill probably wait until the next one to give myself a chance to settle down.

Helen Highwater
GoonWaffe
Posted - 2011.01.22 12:08:00 - [33]
 

Originally by: Dragonia Redtail
Ill probebly ask this knowing that the details should be available elsewhere, but...

- what is expecter of the person that joins the csm expanse wise? Something like pay your own ticket to whateverplaceonearth? In all the years ive played this game, this is aquestion that has been bugging me all along...

- Since a lot of CSM members have replied to the tread, how long on average in hours a week do you spend for the csm?

This so that us, unknown to csm members, also get an idea of the amazing work and input u people give to the game; afterall we would not be here today if it wasnt for ccp and their csm...


For the summits in Iceland and for Fanfest you get a flight and accommodation paid for by CCP. Anything outside of that is on your own dime but there's nothing I can think of off-hand that's absolutely required for the role that you need to pony up for in most circumstances.

Amount of work done per week varies tremendously with the individual and the time of year - just before a summit the work increases a lot, outside of that I probably spend 10-15 hours a week reading and working on CSM stuff.

Mynxee
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2011.01.22 13:28:00 - [34]
 

Originally by: Helen Highwater
Originally by: Dragonia Redtail
Ill probebly ask this knowing that the details should be available elsewhere, but...

- what is expecter of the person that joins the csm expanse wise? Something like pay your own ticket to whateverplaceonearth? In all the years ive played this game, this is aquestion that has been bugging me all along...

- Since a lot of CSM members have replied to the tread, how long on average in hours a week do you spend for the csm?

This so that us, unknown to csm members, also get an idea of the amazing work and input u people give to the game; afterall we would not be here today if it wasnt for ccp and their csm...


For the summits in Iceland and for Fanfest you get a flight and accommodation paid for by CCP. Anything outside of that is on your own dime but there's nothing I can think of off-hand that's absolutely required for the role that you need to pony up for in most circumstances.

Amount of work done per week varies tremendously with the individual and the time of year - just before a summit the work increases a lot, outside of that I probably spend 10-15 hours a week reading and working on CSM stuff.


What Helen said, and to add to it, CCP usually springs for dinner two nights; usually lunch is courtesy of the office cafeteria which seems to be pretty decent when CSM is in the house. So you are left to pay for your own drinks and food outside those times and of course while enroute to Iceland. Interestingly, I've never used cash while in Iceland--just my VISA debit card for everything (bank charges a tiny, tiny fee for each transaction but it's so small it is inconsequential--pennies, really).

Time per week varies per member as does the nature of activities; everyone has their own style, approach, and focus in carrying out their CSM duties but Helen's estimate is about right. Unless you're Trebor, and then its double that. Smile


El'Niaga
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2011.01.22 15:53:00 - [35]
 

Why bother?

Based on the ideas that came out of the December meeting I'd just stop the charade. Just drop the CSM and instead of flying them out to Iceland, etc, just use that money to hire someone to actually work on code and see if you can fix this disaster of a expansion/patch.

Meissa Anunthiel
Redshift Industrial
Rooks and Kings
Posted - 2011.01.22 17:50:00 - [36]
 

CSM is more work than it looks, and can be very frustrating at times (both with the devs and with the players), but it's also very rewarding.

For while we can never dictate what CCP does (never believe a candidate who says "vote for me and I'll get you this"), they do take our feedback and suggestions into account.

If you feel like running, do so. I will...

Meissa, CSM 2, 3, 4, 5 and, maybe, 6 ;-)

Trebor Daehdoow
Gallente
Sane Industries Inc.
Posted - 2011.01.22 22:55:00 - [37]
 

Edited by: Trebor Daehdoow on 22/01/2011 22:55:33
Originally by: Mynxee
Originally by: Helen Highwater
Amount of work done per week varies tremendously with the individual and the time of year - just before a summit the work increases a lot, outside of that I probably spend 10-15 hours a week reading and working on CSM stuff.


Time per week varies per member as does the nature of activities; everyone has their own style, approach, and focus in carrying out their CSM duties but Helen's estimate is about right. Unless you're Trebor, and then its double that. Smile

If you want to do CSM right (or at least, what I define as right), it's a significant commitment. Helen's numbers are in the ballpark, but the peak workload for me is after the summits when all the minutes drafting and editing happens.

For me, the writing of the minutes is the most important thing I do on CSM, and my approach to doing so is entirely in accordance with the guiding principles of the great British Civil Servant, Sir Humphrey Appleby.

Bottom line: if you are thinking about running, don't do it if you're not prepared to put in the hours.

El'Niaga
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2011.01.23 04:41:00 - [38]
 

Originally by: Meissa Anunthiel
CSM is more work than it looks, and can be very frustrating at times (both with the devs and with the players), but it's also very rewarding.

For while we can never dictate what CCP does (never believe a candidate who says "vote for me and I'll get you this"), they do take our feedback and suggestions into account.

If you feel like running, do so. I will...

Meissa, CSM 2, 3, 4, 5 and, maybe, 6 ;-)



This could be the problem with the CSM....same folks....same results.....

Carniflex
StarHunt
Fallout Project
Posted - 2011.01.23 08:09:00 - [39]
 

Promise me to campaign for removal of T2 BPO's and I'll throw in 5 votes for ya. Assuming you are not saying something outright stupid with the rest of your message.

Deadly Hobbitses
Caldari
Furry Footed Felons
Posted - 2011.01.23 13:17:00 - [40]
 

Elise Randolph for CSM!

Also please get CCP to do something about this new lag in Incursion... it reminds me too much of Dominion.

Beltze Sorgin
Minmatar
L V B Industries
Posted - 2011.01.23 15:27:00 - [41]
 

Anyone who can get CCP to communicate effectively & in a timely manner with petitioners rather than just leave them in the dark for days at a time will get my vote.

Artisan Botanist
Minmatar
Hysteria Nexus
Posted - 2011.01.23 17:19:00 - [42]
 

In the past CSM votes have been based mainly on "who from my alliance is running?", can CCP make it so that CSM that gets voted will actually be voted for based on their ideas and not because they own all of the north.

Show their ideas but conceal their identity

Leovarian Lavitz
Minmatar
Eternal Profiteers
Santa Cruz Alliance
Posted - 2011.01.24 08:49:00 - [43]
 

Edited by: Leovarian Lavitz on 24/01/2011 08:51:37
Originally by: Artisan Botanist
In the past CSM votes have been based mainly on "who from my alliance is running?", can CCP make it so that CSM that gets voted will actually be voted for based on their ideas and not because they own all of the north.

Show their ideas but conceal their identity


I disagree with this because identity is a powerful thing within the online world, and critically so within EVE online. In my opinion platforms and planks are generally just as important; knowing a CSM which puts in excellent hours, is an effective communicator, and also has a reasonable platform is better than nameless-faces for whom you cannot demand accountability nor predict their successes or weaknesses.

Leovarian Lavitz
Minmatar
Eternal Profiteers
Santa Cruz Alliance
Posted - 2011.01.24 08:56:00 - [44]
 

Edited by: Leovarian Lavitz on 24/01/2011 08:59:25
Originally by: fukier
Originally by: Leovarian Lavitz
Edited by: Leovarian Lavitz on 21/01/2011 18:19:05
Originally by: fukier
to anyone thinking of running for CSM...
(like a war dec but only lasts half an hour)



Declare war, wait an hour, withdraw war. Next day you have a war that will last for one hour, which can be a rather expensive war (considering that the price usually gets you a full week)


perhaps you are confused as to what 'like' means...
it would be like a war dec... but be much cheaper... have to be agreed on by both parties...

its pretty much a mechanic that will allow pvp for people that usually dont have any access to it...
i.e. people who are in noob corps and people who just want a good fight without having to worry about getting ganked by 20 other guys...

can flipping is not an option becuase that just leads to getting ganked by multiple people

and going to low sec and negotiating a fight leads to getting boinked by 20 peeps in t3 ships...

we need a mechanic that will allow small time pvp...


I still do not support this feature; Faction warfare exists within game as one way to have consensual PVP. Another way is to found two seperate corporations who can war with each other (EG Red Vrs Blue). Can dueling is also an option.

Our continued discussion is off-topic, though we can discuss this further if you create a new thread for it in features and ideas.

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2011.01.24 11:11:00 - [45]
 

Originally by: Artisan Botanist
In the past CSM votes have been based mainly on "who from my alliance is running?", can CCP make it so that CSM that gets voted will actually be voted for based on their ideas and not because they own all of the north.

Show their ideas but conceal their identity



Even if this were a good idea, which it isn't, it would be trivial to work around.

Also, alliance members aren't the hive-mind drones you seem to suppose. Your suggestion is based on a false premise.

Galadium
Posted - 2011.01.24 14:24:00 - [46]
 

I really don't understand why CCP don't adopt the Blizzard style approach of authentication keys, be it a seperate device or on the mobile phone, they work a treat for Starcraft II and W@rld @f W@rcraft. (changed the letters to avoid profinity filter mentioning wow! Very Happy)

Berikath
Posted - 2011.01.25 15:57:00 - [47]
 

Originally by: Artisan Botanist
In the past CSM votes have been based mainly on "who from my alliance is running?", can CCP make it so that CSM that gets voted will actually be voted for based on their ideas and not because they own all of the north.

Show their ideas but conceal their identity



Identity is important; personally I would say that it is at LEAST as important as ideas/goals, and probably more so. No matter how good your ideas are, if you can't communicate them effectively you don't make a good representative.

Also, there is a difference between communicating ideas in prose and in a conversation (written or verbal). Someone who can write a stellar "statement of purpose" when given time to formulate and refine their ideas can be useless when they have to convince people on the fly. Personally, given a choice between someone with a good head on their shoulders who can communicate effectively with only a general similarity to my own viewpoint or someone who I agree with exactly but who has trouble communicating, I think I'd pick the former every time.

Aelius
Caldari
Mnemonic Enterprises
Dark Matter Coalition
Posted - 2011.01.28 11:04:00 - [48]
 

For the 1st time in my 8 EVE years i will be running.

See my sig for more info.

Vaneshi SnowCrash
Posted - 2011.01.29 05:28:00 - [49]
 

Edited by: Vaneshi SnowCrash on 29/01/2011 05:31:30
Alright fine, I might well put myself up for election.

Depends on how drunk I am. So should I open a paypal donation thing for "Get Vaneshi steaming"?

Why? Why not.

What'll be different between you and X? I'll buy my own ticket to Iceland (I'm unemployed so I'll do my best/video conference/whatever but if I can I will be there under my own steam... I am a good swimmer). You want someone who's not "paid for by CCP"? Fine, you got it.

What'll I bring to the table? Rampant alcohol and nicotine abuse the likes of which Iceland can only dream of and I'll show Johnny Foreigner how an Englishman drinks! But seriously, transparency. I sollomly swear I'll walk right up to the NDA and give it a damn good kicking. Fine, I'll respect CCP's "business and commercially sensitive information" stuff, which is fair, but other than that... whatever.

PvP? Done it. Lag monster? Seen it. PvE? Stupid Damsel. Incursions? Not so much yet.

So yeah, you want someone honest... cool. Get me drunk enough and we'll talk. We'll you'll talk I'll just dribble in the corner mashing buttons.


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