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Crovax Parianic
New Eden Recon Force
Knights of the Rising Phoenix
Posted - 2011.01.20 09:20:00 - [1]
 

When I started my Eve Career I picked Jin-Mei because it was the perfect balance of everything I wanted in a character, with a portrait that didn't look bad at all.

Over time the importance of your background choices has eroded as CCP decided that they wanted people pick a character because of aesthetics and backgrounds instead of their statlines. I could understand that and was all in favor of a more equal template for all the races and bloodlines, and the Jin-Mei portraits weren't that bad in my personal opinion. As all the older players know, a lot of people picked a specific race/bloodline combination to be able to get started in a certain aspect of EVE's professions at a much quicker pace. Caldari Achura for researching for example.

I would much rather have picked Amarr/Amarr bloodline from the start, but their awkward stat distrubition and starting skills/ships back in the day made me avoid that choice. I decided I would train Amarr ships on my Jin-Mei character at a later date where he could make proper use of them. This was a well informed choice at the time, as the stats were good (not perfect) for my goals, the starting quests and skills allowed for a good time and I wouldn't get stuck with a missile boat while having no missile skills at all (cough, like amarr, cough)

Now we are at the point where the way your character look is becoming more and more important, while your stats are increasingly becoming less important. With this shift towards character aesthetics CCP decided they would release this awesome new character creation technology that would allow us players to "finally" create the ultimate character. We would be able to create our own personal ultimate POD pilot, who would ply the spacelanes and space stations.

However they forgot one tiny important bit. The new character creation throws everything that was the old portrait/character creation system away and replaces it with a completely new artstyle. We went from a more cartoony look to a more realistic representation. This change in style is creating a shockwave of dismay for a lot of people, who weren't too fussed about a cartoony looking version of their bloodline. They now get something smacked in their face they don't want to have. I never wanted to look like this in eve. As weird as it sounds I even have trouble associating with my character, he simply doesn't look like something I could associate with. I have gone through a lot of trouble to try and create something that looks acceptable to me, trying hard to erase the asian look from this character. I think I have had succes in that aspect, but I can't say I'm very pleased as I had to make choices I really didn't want to.

I'm not the only one who feels like this, just some general watching of public channels has led me to the conclusion that a lot of people are unhappy with the new looks CCP has forced upon them. They do not specifically hate the new characters, they hate how they didn't have a choice in the starting template. Allowing people to pick a different bloodline/race should have been a fundamental part of the new system, as to increase the probabilty of people being able to pick a look they can identify with. Not having this choice is a major flaw of this update.

I also happen to have an amarr alt these days, and I am happy with the way I got him to look. I can associate myself with the portrait. I can basically "role play" that character as the expression and looks fit much more closely to how I percieve myself in Eve. The Jin-Mei avatars don't fit that role for me, and with over 40 million skillpoints I don't really want to start over just to play something I can associate with.

-TL;DR
Char creation should allow us to swap race/bloodlines. Old choices were made for stats, while game moved on to aesthetics and background. Makes old choices incompatible with the future. Creates frustration with playerbase... and now I am running out of characters, so enough of my ranting.


Bel Amar
Amarr
Sudden Buggery
Situation: Normal
Posted - 2011.01.20 09:38:00 - [2]
 

If you used your stats wisely, you will have an advantage over every other character of the same age as you, one which they can /never/ catch up to, even now that the stat differences have disappeared. Being stuck with a bloodline you don't like was a choice you had to make back then to get the numerical advantage. You still have the numerical advantage (extra skillpoints) so why should you lose the downside?

Jennifer Starling
Amarr
Posted - 2011.01.20 09:49:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: Bel Amar
If you used your stats wisely, you will have an advantage over every other character of the same age as you, one which they can /never/ catch up to, even now that the stat differences have disappeared. Being stuck with a bloodline you don't like was a choice you had to make back then to get the numerical advantage. You still have the numerical advantage (extra skillpoints) so why should you lose the downside?

But that's not a valid argument for all the people who started playing after the attributes were equalized and who solely picked their race and bloodline for the looks.

Like me.

I support a full remake of your character. It's very silly to enforce a total change of appearance and offer less options to do it. People who picked a dark skinned Gallente suddenly can't anymore. Latin looking characters now are very asian. Black haired characters now can't pick that colour anymore.

A better quality creator is nice but choices are just as nice. And those are severely lacking.

Crovax Parianic
New Eden Recon Force
Knights of the Rising Phoenix
Posted - 2011.01.20 09:50:00 - [4]
 

Edited by: Crovax Parianic on 20/01/2011 09:51:24
Originally by: Bel Amar
If you used your stats wisely, you will have an advantage over every other character of the same age as you, one which they can /never/ catch up to, even now that the stat differences have disappeared. Being stuck with a bloodline you don't like was a choice you had to make back then to get the numerical advantage. You still have the numerical advantage (extra skillpoints) so why should you lose the downside?


The thing is I didn't mind the bloodline at all back then. I was perfectly fine with my old avatar. The new system makes me create something I am not fine with, I am basically forced to fight the system to create something passable. If I would have gone for the perfect stat layout back then I wouldn't have picked Jin-Mei either, it was a compromise between aesthetics, attributes and starting skills. You have to remember that the old avatars were very cartoony like representations, while the new ones are rather more realistic. Back then Amarr was blessed with insane willpower (pretty useless) and the starting missions would give you a ship that used missiles, while you started with 0 missile skills. Because CCP designed something bad, I am now forced to pay for that?

I would never have described the old Jin-Mei as Asian... always felt they were more indian/arabic in their look. Hell the caste system even reinfoced the believe of a more Indian look. Now they look like they come from China. Thats a rather big change in appearance no?

So I didn't pick Jin-Mei soley because of stats (Brutor would have been a better pick for that), but because of the whole package of stats, skills, looks. They weren't my first choice aesthetically but more like my 3rd choice.


Odd Fellow
RHYGIN
Posted - 2011.01.20 09:52:00 - [5]
 

What's wrong with Jin-Mei?

before and after

Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2011.01.20 09:53:00 - [6]
 

The bloodlines look more alike now than they did before, so surely that means that there's less reason to change?

Anne Arqui
Minmatar
Diamonds in the Rough Enterprises
Posted - 2011.01.20 09:56:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Rodj Blake
The bloodlines look more alike now than they did before, so surely that means that there's less reason to change?

They don't, at least not the females. The hairstyles are now free for every race so at a distance it may appear so but it definitely doesn't.

Jenny Cameron
Caldari
Ordo Eventus
Inception Alliance
Posted - 2011.01.20 09:58:00 - [8]
 

Anyway you can always vote for the Assembly Hall Proposal to change bloodline/race if you wish.

And let's hope CSM or CCP will respond one day ...

Odd Fellow
RHYGIN
Posted - 2011.01.20 10:18:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Crovax Parianic

Back then Amarr was blessed with insane willpower (pretty useless) and the starting missions would give you a ship that used missiles, while you started with 0 missile skills. Because CCP designed something bad, I am now forced to pay for that?


When Rodj Blake decided to RP amarr, saw those same disadvantages and still went on to crate the character he did it because I assume he prioritized so. You admit that this was not your priority and now that you have benefited from your selection of a "better" started bloodline for so long you want a free remake.

Originally by: Crovax Parianic

I would never have described the old Jin-Mei as Asian... always felt they were more indian/arabic in their look. Hell the caste system even reinfoced the believe of a more Indian look. Now they look like they come from China. Thats a rather big change in appearance no?


Jin-Mei were always asian. They were released as a part of the Eve China commitment, not to sell the game to the Navajo. Look at my before and after that I linked earlier. Very little difference except of drawing style.


Cathy Drall
Amarr
Royal Amarr Institute
Posted - 2011.01.20 10:22:00 - [10]
 

Edited by: Cathy Drall on 20/01/2011 10:23:02
Originally by: Odd Fellow
Jin-Mei were always asian. They were released as a part of the Eve China commitment, not to sell the game to the Navajo. Look at my before and after that I linked earlier. Very little difference except of drawing style.

I'm sorry but the now asian looking bloodlines never looked asian before. When you created your character you couldn't know what the philosophy behind them was, let alone know that CCP would dramatically change their looks and enforce them upon you.

Words like "Khanid" or "Vherokior" aren't very asian either. Unless you'd been extensively reading about EVE lore before you started playing, there wasn't any way of knowing how they'd turn out later; it wasn't mentioned in any of the character creating screens either.

So it's a bit silly to blame people for their ignorance many years later.

Odd Fellow
RHYGIN
Posted - 2011.01.20 11:53:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Cathy Drall

I'm sorry but the now asian looking bloodlines never looked asian before. When you created your character you couldn't know what the philosophy behind them was, let alone know that CCP would dramatically change their looks and enforce them upon you.

Words like "Khanid" or "Vherokior" aren't very asian either. Unless you'd been extensively reading about EVE lore before you started playing, there wasn't any way of knowing how they'd turn out later; it wasn't mentioned in any of the character creating screens either.

So it's a bit silly to blame people for their ignorance many years later.


RMR features

Read the first line.

Arkain Val'Ardel
Caldari
Droning On
Posted - 2011.01.20 12:00:00 - [12]
 

Wanted to fly Minmatar ships, Didn't want Minmatar attributes.

Now it doesn't matter anyway since the stats change.

I'd love to be able to be Brutor Again :D:D

Cathy Drall
Amarr
Royal Amarr Institute
Posted - 2011.01.20 12:06:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: Cathy Drall on 20/01/2011 12:06:19
Originally by: Odd Fellow
RMR features
Read the first line.

And how many new players do you think have read that before they started playing and made a character? Seriously?

Such information should be in the game when you create your character, not somewhere on a remote page in some EVEiwki - it's the frist time I see this and I'm even playing for quite some time now!

So that's not an argument.

AzwanBETA
Posted - 2011.01.20 12:09:00 - [14]
 

Edited by: AzwanBETA on 20/01/2011 20:47:06
"I have gone through a lot of trouble to try and create something that looks acceptable to me, trying hard to erase the asian look from this character. I think I have had succes in that aspec"

Odd Fellow
RHYGIN
Posted - 2011.01.20 12:17:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Cathy Drall

And how many new players do you think have read that before they started playing and made a character? Seriously?



No one else needed to read it because it is so damn obvious to everyone else but you/your OP main, in the same way no one needed to read special instructions to realize that Brutor are, pause for dramatic effect, black.

I just wanted to show you the way the new bloodlines were introduced by CCP prior release. The Features page clearly states that the bloodline is asian.

You really are special.

You made a choice in the past and you should reap the consequences of that choice, because this is EvE Online.

Ripperljohn
Caldari
Ore Mongers
Posted - 2011.01.20 12:18:00 - [16]
 

Edited by: Ripperljohn on 20/01/2011 12:18:33
tl;dr

i want boobies, too

Cathy Drall
Amarr
Royal Amarr Institute
Posted - 2011.01.20 12:26:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Odd Fellow
No one else needed to read it because it is so damn obvious to everyone else but you/your OP main, in the same way no one needed to read special instructions to realize that Brutor are, pause for dramatic effect, black.

If I read a lot of other threads I think you're actually the only one who read that article before you started playing.

Are you a troll? Or is it just your unreasonable character and you can't actually help it?

Odd Fellow
RHYGIN
Posted - 2011.01.20 12:30:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Cathy Drall

If I read a lot of other threads...



So, now you admit you are reading. One post ago you claimed to be illiterate. Rolling Eyes


Jennifer Starling
Amarr
Posted - 2011.01.20 12:36:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Crovax Parianic
-TL;DR
Char creation should allow us to swap race/bloodlines. Old choices were made for stats, while game moved on to aesthetics and background. Makes old choices incompatible with the future. Creates frustration with playerbase... and now I am running out of characters, so enough of my ranting.

Yup let CCP allow us to swap race/bloodlines. My old hairstyle is gone. My old pale face is gone. My eyes are gone. The blue light has gone. There's nothing left of what I wanted and I can't get it back now.

And I don't see how a change of bloodline can be game breaking in any way.

King Pleasure
Posted - 2011.01.20 12:42:00 - [20]
 

+1

Cathy Drall
Amarr
Royal Amarr Institute
Posted - 2011.01.20 12:50:00 - [21]
 

Edited by: Cathy Drall on 20/01/2011 12:51:05
Originally by: Odd Fellow
Originally by: Cathy Drall

If I read a lot of other threads...

So, now you admit you are reading. One post ago you claimed to be illiterate. Rolling Eyes



Well if you have to refrain to lowly personal insults that means you and your alt have no arguments left.

Thanks for confirming I'm right! Razz

Crovax Parianic
New Eden Recon Force
Knights of the Rising Phoenix
Posted - 2011.01.20 12:54:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: AzwanBETA
You sir, are a racist and why you even bother writing so much bores me.




Troll somewhere else.


Bel Amar
Amarr
Sudden Buggery
Situation: Normal
Posted - 2011.01.20 12:55:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Jennifer Starling
But that's not a valid argument for all the people who started playing after the attributes were equalized and who solely picked their race and bloodline for the looks.

Sure, but your issue then isn't with your bloodline, it's with the options in the character generator and the inability to maintain similarity between old avatars and new ones

Cathy Drall
Amarr
Royal Amarr Institute
Posted - 2011.01.20 13:07:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Bel Amar
Originally by: Jennifer Starling
But that's not a valid argument for all the people who started playing after the attributes were equalized and who solely picked their race and bloodline for the looks.


Sure, but your issue then isn't with your bloodline, it's with the options in the character generator and the inability to maintain similarity between old avatars and new ones

I agree, the people who made their characters after the attributes have been made the same for all bloodlines don't complain about the bloodlines per se but about the options that either have been removed or moved to other bloodlines/races.

Copine Callmeknau
Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams
The KWFL Republic
Posted - 2011.01.20 13:08:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: AzwanBETA
You sir, are a racist and why you even bother writing so much bores me.

When changes are made, there is always a tiny amount of people that are stuck in the dark ages not liking change, this is your little group.

I for one am part of the much larger group of people that can appreciate the changes and how they will improve over time.

Get a grip and look again at your racist comment.

"!I have gone through a lot of trouble to try and create something that looks acceptable to me, trying hard to erase the asian look from this character. I think I have had succes in that aspec"


You sir are an idiot.
He doesn't like the aesthetics of the asian chars. That's not racist, that's personal taste.
I can only assume you consider every player who didn't choose an asian bloodline to be racist too.

Idiot...


....oh and you're a racist for not choosing Brutor!

Ava Starfire
Minmatar
Teraa Matar
Posted - 2011.01.20 13:13:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Odd Fellow
Originally by: Crovax Parianic

Back then Amarr was blessed with insane willpower (pretty useless) and the starting missions would give you a ship that used missiles, while you started with 0 missile skills. Because CCP designed something bad, I am now forced to pay for that?


When Rodj Blake decided to RP amarr, saw those same disadvantages and still went on to crate the character he did it because I assume he prioritized so. You admit that this was not your priority and now that you have benefited from your selection of a "better" started bloodline for so long you want a free remake.

Originally by: Crovax Parianic

I would never have described the old Jin-Mei as Asian... always felt they were more indian/arabic in their look. Hell the caste system even reinfoced the believe of a more Indian look. Now they look like they come from China. Thats a rather big change in appearance no?


Jin-Mei were always asian. They were released as a part of the Eve China commitment, not to sell the game to the Navajo. Look at my before and after that I linked earlier. Very little difference except of drawing style.




When he said "Indian" and then went on to talk about the caste system reinforcing the "indian" feel of the Jin-Mei, should have been your clue to avoid looking quite this stupid.

Indian, as in, from India. You know, Where 1/6 of the world's population lives?

And yes, really, really want a full remake/

Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2011.01.20 13:14:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Odd Fellow
Originally by: Crovax Parianic

Back then Amarr was blessed with insane willpower (pretty useless) and the starting missions would give you a ship that used missiles, while you started with 0 missile skills. Because CCP designed something bad, I am now forced to pay for that?


When Rodj Blake decided to RP amarr, saw those same disadvantages and still went on to crate the character he did it because I assume he prioritized so. You admit that this was not your priority and now that you have benefited from your selection of a "better" started bloodline for so long you want a free remake.



I have to put my hand up here and admit that I chose an Amarrian character because it had the best looking noobship and a low base charisma which I figured was a useless attribute.

The high willpower never hit me as a problem at the time.

However, once the decision was made, I stuck with it and I'm glad that I did.

DarkAegix
Gallente
Posted - 2011.01.20 13:16:00 - [28]
 

Jin-Mei here. I initially picked this bloodline because the other ones were feminine-looking :D
If you really want to change your looks that badly, you can reduce your asian-ness by applying cheek makeup to the entire face, and choosing the most "tanned" skin option.
Then view your face from the side and fiddle around with the cheeks, eye-depth and chin.

Cathy Drall
Amarr
Royal Amarr Institute
Posted - 2011.01.20 14:12:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: DarkAegix
Jin-Mei here. I initially picked this bloodline because the other ones were feminine-looking :D
If you really want to change your looks that badly, you can reduce your asian-ness by applying cheek makeup to the entire face, and choosing the most "tanned" skin option.
Then view your face from the side and fiddle around with the cheeks, eye-depth and chin.

Ehm .. how do you apply rouge (cheek make-up) to your enitire face??

Jenny Cameron
Caldari
Ordo Eventus
Inception Alliance
Posted - 2011.01.20 20:14:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: DarkAegix
Jin-Mei here. I initially picked this bloodline because the other ones were feminine-looking :D
If you really want to change your looks that badly, you can reduce your asian-ness by applying cheek makeup to the entire face, and choosing the most "tanned" skin option.
Then view your face from the side and fiddle around with the cheeks, eye-depth and chin.

What's wrong with looking feminine? Surprised


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